Tuesday, November 1, 2011

Heartlessness in the news

A couple things have been paraded as absolutely heartless and cruel. First, these photos of an office party making fun of the recently foreclosed upon homeless:

And from the Los Angeles Times, a story of a niche in the used car business:
Tiffany Lee wanted a car. She was weary of the two-hour bus ride to her job at a UCLA Health System clinic. She hated having to ask friends to drive her 7-year-old son to his asthma treatments.

But as a single mother with three children, bad credit and a $27,000-a-year salary, she couldn't find a bank or dealership willing to give her a loan.

Then a friend steered her to Repossess Auto Sales in Hawthorne.

Another buyer might have balked at the deal she was offered. Lee figured she had no choice. She put $3,000 down and drove off in a 2007 Ford Fusion, agreeing to pay $387 a month for four years. The interest rate: 20.7%, nearly triple the national average for a used-car loan.

A year and a half later, Lee fell behind on her payments and filed for bankruptcy. So she was relieved when the dealership called and offered to make her loan more affordable. The sales manager even promised to throw in a free smog check. Lee, 35, drove back to Repossess Auto on a rainy Monday evening, handed the keys to an attendant and sat down with the manager.

Moments later, she said, employees parked four cars tightly around the Ford, blocking it in.

There would be no new deal. Lee's car was being repossessed. She and her children waited in the rain until a friend could drive them home.

Lee, who described that night as “one of the worst experiences of my life,” had stumbled into the bare-knuckle world of Buy Here Pay Here used-car sales.
Does this any of this seem shocking to people here?

133 comments:

  1. I thought the office party idea was pretty funny to be honest.
    And that used-car salesman story is hardly surprising or shocking, just a way to avoid difficult customers.

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  2. Why would this shock the people who come here? Yeah...but I'm sure at least one person will be. Who should we blame this one on? Narcs? No wait... Sociopaths? Wait... Beepers?

    The corporate world and the world of scam artists, are the same kind of machine. It's joints are well oiled, and every trap has a back up trigger.

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  3. The details might be shocking, if the story is about something that's never crossed one's mind before. But the perpetrator attitudes should not be shocking. There are no lows people won't sink to.

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  4. That'd be *its joints
    and I'm off to bed.

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  5. The high interest deal, no, not shocking at all. Cold, yes, but not shocking.

    The office party, no, not shocking, again. But I honestly feel saddened at their heartlessness.

    And that is why I make a terrible repossessed car salesman. :D

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  6. Hm, sounds like a dumb deal for her to get into in the first place. 400 a month is ridiculous! With a 27000 salary? That should almost be her rent payment. Plus she has kids? What an irresponsible woman. Why didn't she take the 3000, buy a pretty reliable car and save the 100's a month for maintenance. And probably keeping up with her rent payments. You can see why she had bad credit. Obviously one of those women with no financial sense.

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  8. Nope, its not shocking to me. I don't feel pissed off by things in the news, unless it feels like I'm the victim of the unfairness and injustice.

    If someone does or doesn't make fun of the homeless, does it affect the homeless?

    Is the outrage over a fancy dress party helpful to the homeless, or will it prevent foreclosure? I don't get it, but then again I don't get why people would want to go to parties.

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  9. If you file for bankruptcy, include the car in it then how are they able to repo it? If that did happen she should be getting it back. I call to her bankruptcy attorny while at the dealership should of quickly fixed that

    Also...the sales manager contacted her? wouldn't the collection or finance person have done that. I think the LA Times needs to be checked up on?

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  10. i respect psychopaths. they are the only ones who can bran themselves as real.

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  11. Sceli, yeh scottish folds are so cute. To answer your question I have a brown/black/white tabby and a black cat, both boys, brothers, 6 months old. Just regular british street kitties i got from the shelter. They're so big already, lol, i used to have a persian, doll-faced, white tomcat. Even at full size he wasn't this big. Lol. It's scawyyy.

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  12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-5VuemfgfU&feature=related

    just like my old fluffball. :D

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  13. this place has more narcissists than milan fashion week.

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  14. I went to a halloween party last saturday. Alot of the parties I go to are as seedy as you could imagine and end up closer to orgies and sex shows. Within thirty minutes of me being there there was already a girl walking around with part of a smashed pumpkin hanging off her strap on. There was what I thought was coke all over the place so after I drank some JD I had a few lines and found out it was mephedrone. Didn't bother me. There was a guy who wanted to fuck a girl on the sofa in front everyone. I didn't want to see that so I got another girl and told them to go ass to ass on the floor, but nobody had a double edged dildo so I took the two we did have and just taped them together which was a first. I was already ill and was feeling so fucked up after a few hours in that place I made one the girls drive me home in my car and we got even drunker. I can't even rememb wether I fucked her or not and I lost my phone as well. I was thinking about going as the joker but in the end I settled on Jason Vorhees.

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  15. The party: hilarious!

    The mom: I agree with Missus Kanney. She bought it on herself. At least this way, if she’s smart and flexible in her thinking, she’ll interpret this as a lesson learned, one she can pass on to her kids.

    The righteous indignation of those reporting the stories: utterly predictable.

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  16. That's disgusting,mis.

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  17. I don't find this story shocking. No doubt they took advantage of her though, If she weren't so desperate she might have seen it coming.

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  18. If you ever felt like taking it out on a guard when your train was cancelled, or on a girlfriend who dumped you, you have a little bit of the Psychopath inside you.

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  19. The office party sounds just like another dress-up party. I mean, there's only a few in society who *really* give a shit about the homeless.

    As to the used car dealer, I lold.

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  20. "Favourite Films

    * Natural Born Killers
    * Lost Highway
    * American History X
    * Fight Club

    Favourite Music

    * Marilyn Manson
    * Nine Inch Nails
    * A Perfect Circle
    * Monster Magnet
    * Tool
    * Nirvana
    * Godhead
    * Skold

    Favourite Books

    * I don't have favourite books so much as favourite authors: Ayn Rand
    * Hunter S Thompson
    * Chuck Palahniuk
    * George Orwell
    * Philip K Dick
    * Max Barry"

    You need to be thought a lesson in what impression management is, Kyle.

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  21. If you ever felt like taking it out on a guard when your train was cancelled, or on a girlfriend who dumped you, you have a little bit of the Psychopath inside you.

    Or you just have a properly functioning amygdala.

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  22. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEQNAZGoZrw

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  23. Kyle towns facebookNovember 1, 2011 at 6:50 AM

    interests:

    serial murder
    gore
    rape
    stalking

    music:

    tool
    funeral music

    heroes:

    mousolini
    hitler
    marilyn manson

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  24. @Harv, my all time favorite book from primary school on, is Animal Farm by Orwell. Have you read "The Stand" by Stephen King?

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  25. "Hi I'm Kyle. I listen to black metal and wear black clothes and drink black coffee and sacrifice black cats to my dark god of general blackness. There's no aussie as dark and evil as me."

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  26. "@Harv, my all time favorite book from primary school on, is Animal Farm by Orwell. Have you read "The Stand" by Stephen King?"

    nah. i'm not much of a reader. books bore the shit out of me. i have few true crime books, but i hide them.

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  27. @Harv true crime lmfao

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  28. I live true crime on the force. I don't have to read about it.

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  29. kyle. sociopaths aren't losers or outcasts who listen to black metal and have a vendetta against society. you probably think that you can revel in your angst with us. the truth is we share no similar qualities.

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  30. @Harv, what is going on with your missus? I don't want to see you taken in for Domestic Violence.

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  31. it's blatantly obvious that you are kyle.

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  32. Good morning! The french toast is done ;-) I made it with love just for you.

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  33. Shocking? Not. Bad business, yes. The negative publicity this loan company received surely gave them the kind of reputation which attracts good business. NOT!

    I have a soft spot for single mothers. Which is why we have shelters and advocate agencies. It's potent to watch a woman rise above her circumstances with tenacity.

    Personal: In the case of a homeless man or a street vendor asking me for money or a trinket sale: If they are rude or arrogant, No go. If they show some craft or charisma then, I give in. I purchased a doll from a vendor in Peru just because I appreciated her tenacity and ability to put me under her 'spell.' Most of the time I am jaded. I enjoy the entertainment of being seduced as much as I enjoy seeing through people's veil of agenda.

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  34. Ok, the car dealership is just shitty. Not really shocking but that people do stuff like that is not unexpected. Humanity has a tendency to suck when greed is involved. Is the car dealer slimy? Definitely. Is the lady responsible for falling behind on her payments? Yes.

    The office party is pretty insensitive but it's kind of funny at the same time. It's like having a white trash party when you're upper middle class. It's all in good fun.

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  35. Heehee, Thanks Soulful. You're pretty rad yourself ;)

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  36. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvVCbITUw1s

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  37. Being an empathetic person on this site is challenging. I am sitting back and watching the interactions, a bit. It seems a better way to do it than throw myself in the ring, so to speak.

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  38. Uh, none of that is black metal, most of that is pathetic emo music. Huge gulf between the two.

    Goddamn what typical and boring taste. Why does every pseudo-socio listen to Marilyn Manson and NIN?

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  39. Just logged in, catching up, started from yesterday. Saw that after I left for the party there were a few Sceli remarks by some anon. Those were not me.

    I saw some meaningful questions from MK, so I will respond in CAPITAL.

    Missus Kanney said...
    Sceli, don't you feel a moral responsibility to your parents? Don't you want to care for them in their old age? especially since you're the favorite? Don't you feel its your responsibility to be nice to your parents now, and help them out of the emotional state they're in?
    REMEMBER, I DON'T HAVE A CHILD. SO, I ACTUALLY NOW TREAT THEM LIKE CHILDREN (THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH FOR THAT) AND ALMOST SHOWCASE FOR THEM HOW CHILDREN SHOULD BE RAISED. MEANING, CALL ON THE BULLSHIT AND WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IN A LIGHT-HEARTED FASHION, AND LOVE AND HUG THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I AM COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM, BUT I HAVE NO MISCONCEPTION THAT I CAN CHANGE THE MENTAL STATE THEY ARE IN. I LOOK AT THEIR MENTAL STATE WITH HUMOR. DAD TRIES TO BULLY ONCE IN A WHILE, AND I BRUSH IT OFF. MOM STARTS BITCHING AND WHINING AND I TELL HER I AM NOT ALWAYS INTERESTED IN LISTENING TO EVERYTHING SHE HAS TO SAY AND ASK HER TO PLEASE KEEP QUIET AND LATER GIVE HER SOME GIFT AND COMPLIMENT, WHICH SHE ALL CARES FOR. I DO SEE SOME CHANGE IN THEIR ATTITUDE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I ASSURED THEM THAT NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO CALL ON PAST BULLSHIT, PAST IS GONE.

    I know that you're obviously the favorite, and the one that all of the hopes of the family rest on. Do you think it disappoints your father to think that his daughter is going to let down the family in carrying on his legacy?
    I AM DAD'S FAVORITE, THE REST MOM'S. WHY DID YOU ASSUME THAT I'M LETTING ANYONE OR THE FAMILY DOWN? JUST THE OPPOSITE. I SHARE PAST BS WITH YOU GUYS, HELPS ME UNDERSTAND WHO THESE PEOPLE WERE IN TERMS OF HOW THEY IMPACTED MY GROWTH. I ONLY WANT THEM HEALTHY AND INDEPENDENT, AND I SUPPORT THEIR PSYCHOLOGY ACCORDINGLY.

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  40. i wonder if your kisses are like fire or ice

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  41. Caroline, leave your empathy on the doormat where it belongs.

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  42. yum. all consuming fire or an icy wind leaving me tingling and chilled

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  43. @the ring One either has empathy or one does not, I imagine. I suppose there are degrees of it, with which one is born. With every trait, there is a range.

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  44. I was a car salesmen for a couple of months. I have to say that car salesmen are more cold than drug dealers. We used to laugh and high five each other when we bumped up the interest rate or put extras on the car that they didn't need till the car was 6000 more than we started. We would just tell them the payment not the price. Once we got it signed we would talk about how we just 'buried' the customer.

    We would play all kinds of tricks on the customers in general especially if they didn't buy the car. We had this thing called 'going green', where we would sneak behind the customer while they were talking to a sales rep and put a tree branch with leaves sticking out of it in their back pocket so the customer looked like a peacock walking around the lot. We had a meeting one time about controlling the customer. They handed out a 150 reward if we could get the customer on one knee, 200 if we could get them on two knees, and 500 if we could lock them in the trunk of the car. Somebody locked this paki in the trunk in the afternoon telling the guy that there was a saftey release button in the trunk. as soon as the guy was half way in he shoved him in the trunk and slammed it. 500 commission is like selling two nice cars. The guy was pounding on the inside of the trunk but the sales rep wouldn't let him out till the manager agreed to pay him.

    This one couple wasted my time by having me test drive them, and they pulled all the interior out. Time is money at this place. I had to take their licence and hold it for the test drive. After taking the whole interior apart and not putting it back together they decided to tell me they would buy it next year maybe. I told them to wait there while I got their drivers license. Instead I went upstairs and started eating my lunch. I would look out the top story window and my customers were still waiting a half hour later. Finally the manager called me down and I told him what happened. He told me to finish my lunch and he would tell the customers we misplaced them and we would look for it. A half hour later my manager 'found it'. I never came back downstairs till they left.

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  45. i think misanthrope is a sadomasochist.

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  46. I saw The Ides of March by Clooney. Nice sociopathic little political gaming followed by disillusionment and some serious ass kicking. Shows how you do what you gotta do.

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  47. Recently at a fast food restaurant a guy walked up to my table, grabbed the box where there was only left over catch-up/mustard smear from the french fries I had just had and started licking the box. Now, that was shocking to me. My face dropped and I asked 'what are you doing?' He was not loud or clear enough to understand any of what he was saying. I stopped him and asked him if he was hungry (obviously he was, just needed a way to shut him up), he said yes, and I bought him a meal. Then he wanted a hug. Gave him one, and got out.

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  48. Notme, great thing you got two brothers. Curious when their power games will be obvious and one will play every game and leave the other one out. They'll fight for your love and attention. Do they sleep with you? One by the pillow, one by your feet?

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  49. @Medusa... as an interesting point of fact, when I was stripping I used to dance to Manson and NIN quite a bit. Makes for some good moves =)

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  50. "Then he wanted a hug. Gave him one, and got out. "

    ewww you actually touched that guy?

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  51. I sure hugged that guy. Could not deny a person a hug when explicitly asked, and when he is right in front of me. Only soulful could give me a nice statement that I could have said as I denied a hug request like that.

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  52. Where did all the Badass go? Is the day after Halloween a day of rest?

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  53. :) I am really not a bad ass at all. I sure can be, but choose not to go there unless some special occasion or calling. Only a few people have seen my bad ass side.

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  54. There are a few politicians I really wish I was locked up with in a room for some words as swords fight. And some Nobel prize winners who are shame for humanity.

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  55. Sceli, i'm the anon that made the comment that interested you about my different attractions to men and women....I read yesterdays comments and seen that you were asking for me...Did you see the last message I left for you explaining my confusions?

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  56. Bad asses don't have panic attacks at the first sign of trouble. I guess that's the kind of kid you get when the parents over indulge and spoil it.

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  57. @Ukanasta Is bad ass a diagnostic criterion? I am a Psych nurse and have not run across it. How would you define Bad ass PD?

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  58. The epitome of the American male. He radiates confidence in everything he does, whether it's ordering a drink, buying a set of wheels, or dealing with women. He's slow to anger, brutally efficient when fighting back.

    The badass carves his own path. He wears, drives, drinks, watches, and listens to what he chooses, when he chooses, where he chooses, uninfluenced by fads or advertising campaigns. Badass style is understated but instantly recognizable. Like a chopped Harley or a good pair of sunglasses: simple, direct, and functional.

    EXAMPLE: Clint Eastwood

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  59. Caroline is sweetcheeks

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  60. nope, nice try though

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  61. Wheatley is Caroline

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  62. @Badass

    Bullshit...Americans are too highly strung to pull it off. I'm pretty sure they suffer from some form of mass hysteria.

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  63. i didn't even know criterion was a word

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  64. Did you call for tall, dark and handsome?

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  65. Jason Computer ProgrammerNovember 1, 2011 at 4:10 PM

    Hi Frank, Harv, Gary and Puppet. What line of work are you in?

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  66. I work at a mental hospital. People can practice lobotomies on me.

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  67. I marry people at Wal-Mart.

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  68. I am retired NOT retarded.

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  69. I'm a professional pillock.

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  70. That's basically the same thing, Steve and Steve.

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  71. I am a comedian

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  72. This one time while I was jerking off, my arm fell asleep.

    In retrospect, it was a really nice representation of my sex-life.

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  73. I am a zoo keeper.

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  74. The guy who is currently fucking with whoever it is that came up with all those charactersNovember 1, 2011 at 4:27 PM

    Wow, John Harold Smith is an actual registered sex-offender. Google it.

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  75. I walk Grandma across the street.

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  76. I have a frozen food business.

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  77. Just finished watching The Rum Diary, another crazy Depp movie. Not typically my kind of humor but there were scenes that just were over the top hilarious, definitely recommended.

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  78. anon with the sex concern... I saw one post of yours saying you were ambivalent. I was just curious what about men were holding you back, or hesitant, despite the fact that you find them attractive. You were not specific. Are you scared of disease? Their strength? Are you afraid about what may follow (as in say get obsessed about you, or the opposite never call again)?

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  79. Scelli, I thought about pulling out your past comments and going into how you failed at competing in the corporate world, about how you get panic attacks when you stand up to your superiors, even though you think youre better than them, about how you dated a murderer to feel powerful when you took control of him, and about your conflicting morals and how you use them to your advantage, but then I realised how boring it'd all be and how much work to pull it all out. And frankly, you aren't worth it. You're just a narcissist, and as such you're weak, and trying desperately to get attention and feel important by allowing us to hear again a bit about your past.
    Do you still think you're a sociopath? Or did you get over that. Frankly, you're weak, and you know it I don't have to waste my time on you. Narcissists are tedious. With that question I asked you above, that you were all too open with, I was going to pull out how you contradict yourself, because in your past comments you talk about being a sociopath with a moral compass, like a vigilante, of sorts. But now you're trying to raise your parents when you yourself are just like them. Just as ignorant, arrogant and foolish, and to a certain degree you've taken your father's role as the abuser. But it's cute that you think you're better. Perhaps later we can discuss cultural anthropology and how immersion in varying cultures makes you understand the fault in your own,and how you're yet blinded by your narrow view of the world, but I don't find it likely, as i have no real interest in a actually talking to you.
    Your typical, average, or textbook. You aren't even interesting enough to fuck with. You were hoping for rotten tomatoes because you crave the spotlight and attention. I've gratified you quite enough on that, I think.

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  80. @MK, what is your deal with putting everyone down?

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  81. yesterday. She hesitated afterwards, because she's spineless even online, but she started something she couldn't finish. Not my fault.

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  82. Sceli said...
    I sure hugged that guy. Could not deny a person a hug when explicitly asked, and when he is right in front of me.


    that's a sweet thing to do Sceli, but very naive. he got a meal and got to rub up against you. have you been feeling itchy?

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  83. lol

    "I sure hugged that guy."

    Sounds like a desperate attempt to sound generous. What's your damage heather?

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  84. No kidding. That's pretty intimidating. I wouldn't have given him anything. Especially after how rude he was to you by licking your plate. At least you didn't give him money for drugs I guess.

    The last time my husband and I gave a homeless man money, we were talking to him for an hour about politics. He was decent, respectful, forthright, and understanding. We both liked him, and he was interesting. He did not come up, snatch my tray, and start incessantly licking it, or invade our personal space. I have high standards for my philanthropy.

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  85. i love the pic Eden. very E.T.. makes me want to adopt you :)

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  86. He did not come up, snatch my tray, and start incessantly licking it, or invade our personal space.

    even my cats know better than to do that

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  87. Haha. Our dogs are much more civil, too. They do beg though. No shame.

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  88. then again my cats aren't starving.

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  89. I don't think he was Just starving. You have to be on something to just walk up to someone's table, grab their shit, and start licking it... maybe he's schizophrenic.

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  90. @Eden

    hug you any time.. just no licking okay?

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  91. No licking? Where's your sense of adventure? Maybe Sceli's story is some kind of code for a different kind of licking. Maybe her plate was really her..... ;)

    Agnes of God

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  92. @Eden

    maybe schizophrenic. maybe a perv.

    there was this guy some years ago who would wear a parka in the winter and pretend he was missing an arm. he would carry a brief case with his free arm. he always had a runny nose. he had a pervy round little face and a drooly little mouth. he would approach young women waiting for buses and ask them to hold a kleenex up so he could blow his nose.

    i refused to do it when he asked me. he always ignored me after. it was entertaining to watch him approach other women and the looks on their faces as they wrestled with their disgust and misplaced duty. Sceli, would you hold a kleenex to his nose?

    i figured out he wasn't an amputee because some days his left arm was missing and some days his right. i never saw anyone help him, but he must have got some pay back to keep at it - maybe the looks of disgust?

    nothing surprises me any more

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  93. @M.E.

    not shocking, not even surprising.

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  94. Piece of shit at the bottom of my shoeNovember 1, 2011 at 7:21 PM

    If Sceli's not worth talking to then why did you post the 4 hour speech?

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  95. I already alluded to that. While doing research for my attack, I discovered her level of intrigue, so as not to waste research done, I wrote my findings thus far, and stated il not waste anymore time on asking questions to pull out her issues from her own words.

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  96. I am glad you seem to be doing better, Sweet Cheeks. That makes me smile and feel good.

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  97. Black metal is miles worse than emo. It's like the more depraved and evil they try to be, the worse they look. Mainstream music is psychopathic. It's manufactured, without meaning and completely shallow.

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  98. horns!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLtKYFP-Zso

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  99. kickingg in the front seat kicking in the back seaaaaaaaaaaaat

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  100. change your facebookNovember 1, 2011 at 10:15 PM

    religious view:

    christian

    interests:
    nfl
    fashion
    boxing

    music:
    chris brown
    the kings of leon
    three six mafia

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  101. @changeyourfacebook

    please teach me how to fit in

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  102. @ change your facebook

    i am guessing that is either a tease or a threat for someone in the room. now i am trying to figure it out!

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  103. Shocking? No, I used to be a predatory sociopath I kind of how a feel for how they think, there's a certain awareness that social predators are normally lacking and their victims often seem as a nuisance.

    I'm still a sociopath but I like to think I've matured beyond such malicious apathy.

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  107. Ok, why the heck would anybody buy a car if he or she could not afford it? I would just ask a friend for a ride or take the stupid bus. No need to act pitiful and cry that her car was repossessed. Of course it was! She couldn't f'ing afford it!

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