This article discusses an interesting study done by Lars Hall of Lund University in Sweden in which he gets people to assert their actual moral opinion, then inadvertently defend the opposite opinion some minutes later:
Researchers asked participants to complete a survey about moral issues. To do so, the participants had to flip over the first page of questions, which was displayed on a clipboard.
But the back of the clipboard had a patch of glue that caught the top layer of the questions. So when the page was flipped back over, an opposite version of the original questions was revealed but the participant's answers remained unchanged.
This meant that the participants' responses were opposite to their originally declared moral positions, the study authors said.
When the researchers discussed the participants' answers with them, they found that many people supported their answers, even though their responses were actually opposite to their original views.
The "participants often constructed coherent and unequivocal arguments supporting the opposite of their original position," suggesting "a dramatic potential for flexibility in our moral attitudes," wrote study leader Lars Hall, of Lund University, and colleagues.
Interestingly, Hall doesn't suggest that people have actually changed their moral positions, but "Either we would have to conclude that many participants hold no real attitudes about the topics we investigate, or that standard survey scales fail to capture the complexity of the attitudes people actually hold." Still, I think it's hilarious that people can get so worked up over a moral issue, even if (apparently) they're not quite sure what they believe or why.
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Thursday, November 15, 2012
Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Famous sociopaths: Viktor Bout
- Although he had arrived in the Emirates not knowing much about Arab culture, he had a cosmopolitan ability to adapt to new circumstances.
- Bout, who had the brash confidence of the autodidact, didn’t have a source of weapons, but he knew that he could find one.
- “Viktor is a fast learner and he is very easy with the contacts,” Mirchev told me. “He could reach the right people at any time.”
- Schneidman, who once termed Bout “the personification of evil,” told me that Bout was “directly undermining our efforts to bring peace.” At the same time that Bout was delivering weapons to Savimbi’s forces, Schneidman said, he was also flying arms to the Angolan government. I asked Bout whether Savimbi knew about his mixed allegiance. Of course, Bout said. Didn’t Savimbi mind? “If I didn’t do it, someone else would,” Bout said.
- Officials in Washington began to see Bout as the quintessential figure of transnational crime. He was distinguished not by cruelty or ruthlessness but by cunning amorality. “If he wasn’t doing arms and all the vile stuff, he would be a damn good businessman,” Andreas Morgner, a sanctions expert at the Treasury Department, said.
- Bout told me, “My job was to bring shipments from Bulgaria to Zaire, and then to Togo. . . . I did it. I understood my limits.” He added, “How, after that, someone else wants to squeeze it? That’s not my business.” In this view, he and Mirchev were not doing anything wrong; they were simply filling gaps in the global economy.
- “Why should I be afraid?” he said. “In my life, I did not do anything that I should be concerned about.” Bout began leaving a trail of inconsistent statements. He either refused to address difficult matters—“It’s not a question to discuss what we transported”—or lied outright.
There are plenty of other small indications. It's a pretty interesting article, particularly reading people's reactions about how Bout would both ship in weapons to revolutionaries and peacekeepers, for instance:
- Soon after the raid, [U.S.] Department of Defense officials entered the names of the companies under sanctions into their databases. They made a surprising discovery: some of Bout’s companies were now delivering tents and frozen food to troops in Iraq. His planes had flown dozens of times in and out of Baghdad, according to flight records, and Bout was profiting from it. The Pentagon eventually voided the relevant contracts, but, by then, the war in Iraq had helped Viktor Bout get back on his feet.
I guess not everyone fits into nice, neat bad/good boxes.
Tuesday, September 16, 2008
Conversation with a brother
Brother: I'm starting to realize that I have a talent for getting inside peoples' heads and figuring out what is going on in there. It kind of scares people
M.E.: Yeah, some people are private, or get creeped out by their transparency.
Brother: Yeah. I kind of like that. I think that you and I don't have a set default so we can associate with and understand almost everyone's motives.
M.E.: Yeah, true, we don't have a set default. It's kind of a super power.
Brother: Yeah. We are like super heroes. You and i have the same powers but use them decidedly differently.
M.E.: How so?
Brother: You use them to punish and hurt. Right now, I'm using mine to save a girl's life. So to speak.
M.E.: Sometimes people need punishment to keep them straight. Save a girl's life?
Brother: It's a complicated story involving someone dying of cancer, and the girl in question not feeling that she will be able to live life any more after that person is gone. She came to me because I knew what was going on in her head and she wanted some advice. I don't say it to brag. I'm not proud, it's only the truth.
M.E.: Yeah, I understand. So what happened?
Brother: Nothing yet. I have to write back to her. How is that for a difference between you and me? You aren't a bad influence. ou helped me realize an ability I never knew I had and I'm using it to help people. Of course if you look at it the other way, I could crush her and probably make her kill herself.
M.E.: Ha, that's a good way of phrasing it
Brother: No good
M.E.: Yeah, you could crush her, but won’t. Most of the time I make the "right" choice too :)
Brother: Good. Me too. But sometimes it is fun to be bad ;)
M.E.: Seriously, right? I try to do it in moderation. And only when it isn't too horrible. There are certain wickednesses in my life that are so deliciously dehumanizing that i still lick my lips just thinking about them.
Brother: I think I should do my work now.
M.E.: Yeah, work is good. Idle hands are the devil's tools.
M.E.: Yeah, some people are private, or get creeped out by their transparency.
Brother: Yeah. I kind of like that. I think that you and I don't have a set default so we can associate with and understand almost everyone's motives.
M.E.: Yeah, true, we don't have a set default. It's kind of a super power.
Brother: Yeah. We are like super heroes. You and i have the same powers but use them decidedly differently.
M.E.: How so?
Brother: You use them to punish and hurt. Right now, I'm using mine to save a girl's life. So to speak.
M.E.: Sometimes people need punishment to keep them straight. Save a girl's life?
Brother: It's a complicated story involving someone dying of cancer, and the girl in question not feeling that she will be able to live life any more after that person is gone. She came to me because I knew what was going on in her head and she wanted some advice. I don't say it to brag. I'm not proud, it's only the truth.
M.E.: Yeah, I understand. So what happened?
Brother: Nothing yet. I have to write back to her. How is that for a difference between you and me? You aren't a bad influence. ou helped me realize an ability I never knew I had and I'm using it to help people. Of course if you look at it the other way, I could crush her and probably make her kill herself.
M.E.: Ha, that's a good way of phrasing it
Brother: No good
M.E.: Yeah, you could crush her, but won’t. Most of the time I make the "right" choice too :)
Brother: Good. Me too. But sometimes it is fun to be bad ;)
M.E.: Seriously, right? I try to do it in moderation. And only when it isn't too horrible. There are certain wickednesses in my life that are so deliciously dehumanizing that i still lick my lips just thinking about them.
Brother: I think I should do my work now.
M.E.: Yeah, work is good. Idle hands are the devil's tools.
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