Saturday, November 12, 2011

Another view (part 2)

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Your story of the socipath woman who was persecuted by the Aspies really struck a chord. I was bemused by your confusion at why such a person would approach Aspies for help understanding neurotypicals. To me it's entirely reasonable and even brilliant: Her style was probably wrong, but she was groping in the dark. The thinking would be simple: "Neurotypicals don't understand me. I thought I understood neurotypicals but now I realize I don't and a lot of my life has been fucked up because I misunderstood shit. Here is a group that gets together and strategizes on how to deal with neurotypicals. They may be able to help me." That's not dumb dude, that's way fucking smart. Aspies and socios should be able to offer each other all sorts of insights, actually, as any two people looking at the same problem from different perspectives will often help each other. Both could help each other overcome where they are weak, and also identify where they are stronger and better than neurotypicals.
I suspect extremely sadistic sociopaths (i.e. deriving strong pleasure from inflicting suffering for one reason or another--enjoying the sounds of screaming and the sight of blood spurting and the feeling of power caused by cruelty) are probably dangerous to the point where they probably need to stay watched at all times. But otherwise, I begin to suspect that if more sociopaths "outed" themselves a whole hell of a lot of them could be made useful to society and have happier, more productive lives for themselves.

Why should you care if you're more helpful to neurotypicals? First so you don't have to hide; hiding may be fun sometimes but is probably exhausting much of the time. Also, because you can have a life you just plain enjoy more and which allows you to accomplish more of your goals in straightforward, no-bullshit fashion.

A cynical stereotype would be to say that we use you when killing and other nasty business needs doing, but that's ridiculous oversimplification; a person lacking empathy could do all sorts of positive things that aren't in the least bit destructive, and wherein lack of empathy has no more particular value than the inability to see the color red or a tendency to be easily sunburned; just not relevant. A socio who has fully concluded, "it is in my rational self-interest to help people in ways X, Y, and Z, and to not engage in A, B, and C" could be a tremendously productive in all sorts of fields where their sociopathy would be irrelevant. In other areas, it could be an outright asset in an endless number of subtle areas where your blunted or nonexistent empathic reponse would allow you to clinically analyze and recommend in areas where other people's emotions cloud their judgment. If I were a manager I'd probably want at least one of you on my team, and not necessarily for "dirty work." I don't need "dirty work," I need someone who thinks dispassionately and logically and can see shit other people can't. At minimum, you'd be the guy to tell me in a business negotiation, "Stop with the goody-goody reasoning with that guy. He doesn't care. You're just irritating him." Or better yet, "You don't know how to deal with this guy, I do. Just let me do it. I'll close the deal, watch."

If you are a sociopath, for whatever reason you have a blunted or nonexistent sense of empathy. Although this has multiple ramifications, in the end that's all it amounts to. It may amuse you to know that I discussed this with a very serious-minded Christian (Catholic) friend and he said (at first to my surprise but not now) that indeed, there's absolutely no reason a sociopath could be not just a good Christian but an outright Saint; his basic line was "emotions are overrated, it's actions that matter. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, it's what you DO that counts."

238 comments:

  1. No, it makes perfect sense that a person devoid of a conscience could follow his conscience as the route of communication chosen by god to be a good Christian. It isn't that you aren't a sociopath at all, its that god has chosen you to be the righteous sociopath for all the saintly works that currently need to be done in your region. I can totally see the sense in that.

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  2. Whoever posted this, I don't think you have a clear understanding of the way sociopaths are. A sociopath could be a saint? If you believe that you will be easier to fool than most since you already put yourself together.

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  3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv5VncdRqYs

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  4. To the guy who wrote the post, YES, YES, YES.

    I know he's a sociopath and he knows that I accept him. For all the boundry pushing he still stops when when it's too much. Just a learning experience for both. I don't ask anything of him thats he's not already giving.

    He's productive at work and a problem solver.

    So he may not be like the ones on this site, he just has a different adgenda. He's amazing and has everything going for him because he's not out to destroy but to enjoy, even though he has a whole different way of getting what he wants. Thats the beauty of him.

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  5. I do birthday parties at a discount...

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  6. " He's amazing and has everything going for him because he's not out to destroy but to enjoy ..."

    Well I've also been out to enjoy for many many years, but on my way I destroyed a lot to make that enjoyment possible ...

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  7. @cockmaster, do you provide a venue and is there a discount for groups?

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  8. Why should I give a shit about being a productive member of society? Is it because we'll get a Sociopath Merit Badge with a handshake from the mayor?

    Who are these non-sadistic sociopaths?

    The only way a sociopath would become a saint would probably scheming and backstabbing himself to the top and re-writing the history of his ascent to power.

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  9. @cockmaster, do you bring sock puppets?

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  10. I can't wrap my mind around why someone would choose to be saintly, unless there was some naughty pay off at the end that would make it worth it.

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  11. @TNP An Aspie thought that out so while it is on some level logical it fails to take into account the emotions in play, in this case, Yours.

    You like to hurt people. You enjoy hiding what you are and that's useful. Thank you for suggesting Aspie consider those attributes in designing his sociopath vocational program.

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  12. I have no interest in kissing m.e.'s ass, I'm interested in exploring the implications and psychology of a person lacking empathy, its strengths and limitations.

    Having a complete lack of empathy would, I conclude for the moment anyway, would simply not automatically lead to evil action. It might; indeed, absent a positive guiding influence, I think it almost certainly would often lead to evil action. But I theorize that with the proper guidance, a person who lacks empathy can be guided into right action, and can also through rational thought conclude what right action is, irrespective of whatever base impulses they may have.

    Indeed, all that is pretty much true of anybody, whether they're highly empathic, mildly empathic, or utterly non-empathic: any personality will need guidance as it develops, and as it matures will develop rational thought and its own conclusions as to what is and is not right action. The sociopath would walk the same path we all do in trying to determine right or wrong, their path would merely be different internally.

    Indeed you can make a strong case that doing things because you feel sorry for people may actually be a much less reliable guide for right action than callous indifference. To pick a simple example, imagine you have a person with a terrible alcohol problem in your life. If you're an empath, you might easily slip into codependency, and give the alcoholic booze and a place to live because he so obviously is suffering if you don't "help" him; he badly needs a drink so you give it to him, he badly needs a place to live and food and can't handle these things himself because he's drunk all the time. A shocking number of people, almost all highly empathic, allow their maternal instincts to enable alcoholics.

    The sociopath is much more likely to say "you're disgusting to be around, I'm not helping you keep that shit up. Quit drinking or get out. You need help? Here, go here and get it and get out of my face until you have."

    Disclosure: I am a recovering alcoholic. What I describe here is rather personal, and I can tell you that the empath who feels sorry for an alcoholic and acts as an enabler is no friend; the person who refuses to enable and is blunt about is the better friend, even if they're coldhearted about it.

    (The ideal is to be sympathetic AND refuse to be an enabler, but it's surprising how few people can manage both.)

    I do not believe most sociopaths will be saintly; indeed, if you're into orthodox Christian theology you know that saints are actually very very rare indeed. I merely note that there is no reason a sociopath could not become one; it's how you behave that matters, not how you feel about it.

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  13. @Dean Esmay

    You may find the experiences with my alcoholism interesting under 'sociopaths read here' in the forum.

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  14. TNP: My own thesis would be that the sociopath would have any number of reasons to be saintly. The most crude reason would be to kiss God's ass and get into Heaven.

    But a more intelligent reason would be simply to conclude that a life wherein people do not hate you and persecute you, wherein you have positive and rewarding relationships with people, and wherein people do not hate and mistrust you, and where the people in your life actually enjoy being around you--and are enjoyable for you to be around--because you are consistent and honest and honorable, is a better life than one of constantly fucking people over and leaving a trail of destruction in your wake just because you think you can get away with it.

    To put it simply, what goes 'round tends to come 'round, and not often in a predicable way. A sociopath who concludes that being a sadistic manipulative fucker bites him on the ass in the long run is likely to be amenable to deciding not to be that way.

    I'm no sociopath, but this is pretty easy for me to extrapolate. Revenge may feel good but getting revenge on someone who's offended me is likely to bite me on the ass, so I try not to do it. If I dislike someone, I may badly want to punch them in the mouth, but I conclude that if I do so bad things may happen to me and so I'd best not do that. I may hate someone and want to shoot them but I don't want to go to jail. I may be horny but raping a girl I find attractive is only going to give me temporary satisfaction but long-term grief. And so forth.

    A lot of the commenters here seem to start from the conclusion that "lack of empathy means you act in an evil fashion." But that's silly. So you only do good because you FEEL like it's what's good? Have you ever heard the phrase, "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions?" What you FEEL about someone or something isn't anywhere near as important as how you actually BEHAVE.

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  15. Indeed, I think you like the word "indeed", very much.

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  16. did someone request a puppet?

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  17. You're a recovering alcoholic. Now it all makes sense.

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  18. Yes... do direct as many gullible nitwits to the forum, to read your godawful story, David.

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  19. @Dean, It gets old seeing juvenile the likes of UKan acting like a child in primary school. I will babysit my best friends son, if I want to be around a that level of social intercourse. Joy, maybe, we will have some intelligence around these parts.

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  20. @Dean

    Thus spoke christ ...

    Acting 'bad/wrong (up so social norms)' often pays off, and vice versa ...

    I'm sure yours is much more interesting Eden, we're all very curious ...

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  21. Good and evil, heaven and hell... your perception is tainted by your faith.

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  22. I feel repulsion for ex drunks who used to beat up their wife and child rapers that turn into evangelics. It has something pathetic and hypocretical at the same time, it makes my stomach turn.

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  23. I am not religious, but what you sow, you reap. I have seen it time and time, again, in my 15 years as a cop. If you make enemies on the way up, you will be sure to be kicked on the way down. These people who think they can fuck with people and not have the SAME fucking come back on them, have not lived long enough lol

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  24. Lack of empathy is One trait of Psychopathic/Antisocial spectrum, Dean. You should read the rest before making a foolish thesis.

    At best, you're going to get a sociopath that doesn't fuck over You. We're scavenging predators. We gorge ourselves on "the dead and dying" and typically don't fuck with people not worth the trouble unless provoked.

    Doormats ard used to being stepped on. Some even come to enjoy learning their place in the natural order.

    You aren't going to find too many sociopaths worried about their souls. The ones that believe in such things don't have a conscience to reinforce feelings of guilt or remorse.

    After all, if it didn't kill you and you don't feel bad, it's just all part of God's plan, right?

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  25. @Gary
    Sure this isn't the case for everyone, obviously you meet the ones who get fucked back ...

    And what if the person don't care if he's also fucked, as he knows he'll get up again and fucks someone else again, and enjoy that way of life? ...

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  26. @David
    That person is making a free will choice, in that case. He will still reap what he sows, though lol

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  27. Shouldn't you be making that "free will" argument as Monica, Gary?
    You're so fucking bad at this. Why do you bother, I wonder?

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  28. DavidSocio01: Where do I find that? Got a link?

    Eden: Indeed I do. :-)

    The late-stage alcoholic (or really, any form of addict) often becomes quite sociopathic. As their lives are increasingly overwhelmed by their need for their favorite chemical, their capacity to care about anyone and aything else becomes increasingly diminished. With some this is a fast process, with others it takes many years to develop. In women, it averages only 4-5 years, and with men it averages about 10 years. It's not quite clear why alcoholism is less common in women, but develops faster in them when they do develop it, but it is what it is.

    In any case, those are just averages, in some it's a much faster process and with some it's a much slower one.

    With most alcoholics, it is not usually the case that they've lost their capacity to care about anyone else, it's just that their ability to care about others has become deranged, or come to take second place to their overwhelming obsession for obtaining their desired chemical, and they begin to hate anyone who gets in the way of their obtaining a steady supply of that chemical.

    Anyone who attends AA meetings regularly can tell you that in a way it is a selfish program for selfish people; we want to stop drinking because we have recognized that it is ruining our lives. Indeed, most successful long-term recovered alcoholics will tell you inhesitantly that if you are stopping drinking because you feel guilty it won't work; pretty soon the feelings of guilt will overwhelm and you'll just want to drink to drown out the pain. And if you stop drinking for someone else, then if that person goes away or you stop caring about that person, then you'll go back to drinking. To truly successfully quit, you must conclude that your own life is Hell and that you will stay in Hell unless you stop. It is only then that true recovery is possible. Ultimately, you don't quit for others, you quit for yourself. If you aren't quitting because you are sick of the pain, then you'll probably never really quit, you'll just abstain for a while and then go back.

    It has been years since I've had a drink, and in large part that's because I know what will happen: I will have short-term fun and long-term pain, and most of the people I want in my life will no longer want me in theirs. My true friends will not reject me, but they will not enable me either. But it is not for them that I stop, it is for me.

    I have been accused of being a sociopath and if you wish to accuse me of it go ahead. But anyone who knows me knows I'm far too empathic for that to be so. Destructive I can be, but I do not lack empathy. If anything, I am sometimes too empathic, and it gets in the way of doing the right thing.

    But all of this would certainly contribute to my interest in sociopathy. There's little doubt in my mind that your average late-stage alcoholic turns into a sociopath and will remain sociopathic until they quit.

    Bill Wilson, the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous, once observed that, of the practicing alcoholic, "We are like tornadoes in the lives of those around us, leaving an unpredictable path of detsruction behind us wherever we go." Sound much like how we often describe sociopaths?

    It also leads me to conclude this: a person who is sociopathic by nature may also conclude that destructive and manipulative behavior is short-term fun and long-term pain, and want to do something about that. And kicking them in the nuts when they try is a pretty shitty thing to do.

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  29. Having a complete lack of empathy would, I conclude for the moment anyway, would simply not automatically lead to evil action. It might; indeed, absent a positive guiding influence, I think it almost certainly would often lead to evil action. But I theorize that with the proper guidance, a person who lacks empathy can be guided into right action, and can also through rational thought conclude what right action is, irrespective of whatever base impulses they may have.

    It's not just the lack of empathy that makes a sociopath. It's a combination of traits. Lack of impulse control and manipulative being two other main factors. You can't guide a sociopath because nine times out of ten they will derail what you're doing to maintain control. I know because I do it to my wife.
    I've improved my life by channeling my destructive energy into where it needs to go. That doesn't mean I have rid my self of destructive tendencies at all. That means I'm not randomly destroying everything and everyone around me. I know I can't get rid of my destructive behaviour because it is natural to me, however I do know if I focus them on my enemies and keep making enemies for myself that I can push most of that destructive behaviour to where it needs to go.

    Manipulating people is something I enjoy. In fact I can honestly say I love it. I love controling the outcome of conversations and getting people to do what I want. There's nothing like taking someone with a strong will and breaking that will all the way down to where they are a fanatic for your cause. You had stated in your letter to M.E. that hiding is exhausting. It's not. It's natural. We are constantly changing both the way we talk and the way we act and matching it to the person we talk to. For myself I hide a little more because of my career choice. However, I have had my career choice for most of my adulthood and youth, so I'm used to hiding. I hide in plain sight.

    Sociopath's can't be saints, ever, unless they manipulate history to their favor (Which wouldn't surprise me). The reason is that these traits they have can't be changed. They can only be channeled. Even then they will be wavering outside the lines constantly.

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  30. @Gary
    you wrote; "he will still reap what he sows"

    Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Ofcourse when you screw people you have a good chance that people will try to get back at you. Therefore you shouldn't try to screw strong individuals, but choose easy prey.

    So many 'good' people live a miserable life. There's no guarantee that a 'good' life will be rewarded, or a 'bad' life will be punished. You probably wish that or maybe even believe that because of your moral standards/convictions, but that's simply not the case in life. Many 'bad' people live very enjoyable lifes.

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  31. You are failing to see that it is not a linear proposition. The person one screws may not get back at one, and often does not. Another person will lol

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  32. @Dean
    Just go to the forum (link on top of this site) and read the subject 'sociopaths read here'.

    I'm on and off on anatabuse, I'm on antabusse these days. I attended 3 AA meetings, I didn't went anymore because it's too religious, although I found the experience interesting, yet something else I learned about. Do you know that step 11 (I have the book at home) has 73 or 74 times the word 'god' and 'praying' in just a couple of pocket size pages? I told it to them the last time I was there, AA is about two things; subjection and indoctrination. Ofcourse I didn't got any reaction when I gave them my criticism. If it works for people and stops them from destroying themselves and their environment, why not, but it sure wasn't my thing.

    Btw that wasn't the reason I only went 3 times but maybe they've stopped drinking, but more than half is slowly smoking themselves to death (ofcourse still better than alcohol abuse, I know), these 3 times I came out of the meeting smelling like an ashtrey.

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  33. There's little doubt in my mind that your average late-stage alcoholic turns into a sociopath and will remain sociopathic until they quit.

    Sociopath's have the impulse control of drunks when they are sober. You can draw similarities that is true. The conning, the selfishness, and the lack of impulse control are all similiar. However, you have this attitude that sociopathy is a disease that can be cured and I'm here to tell you it is not a disease it is a personality type. There is no therapy for it because therapists are there to guide you to find who you are and what you can do with the traits you possess.

    Sociopath's are not going to therapy and why should they? They believe that they are meant for greatness not that they have a issue. The one's they have gotten in front of medical professionals are the one's that got caught in the system. The sociopath's not in prison are not out here being good people. They are out causing mischief and getting away with it.

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  34. That brings me to another point. Just because you are breaking the law does not make you unintelligent. I have been intelligently breaking the law most of my life. I did a few years in prison and let me tell you that the leadership in prison are no fools. Prison is a law of probability when you are doing crime. Eventually no matter how smart you are, law enforcement will figure out your schemes. The more buffers you have in front of you to take the falls, the longer you will last in this game, but when you are young you have to do your time. It's like going to a university and getting your bachelors. I don't trust people who haven't done any time. It shows that they haven't done enough dirt to be trusted and they might turn into a informant later down the road, because they are scared of prison.

    I find it passing strange that people assume criminals are all a bunch of idiots and that prison is for the fools. Try walking for a few days in my shoes and see how long you last without being imprisoned or killed and then talk to me about how much smarter you are.

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  35. UKan = low functioning sociopath

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  36. @Ukan
    you wrote; "Try walking for a few days in my shoes and see how long you last without being imprisoned or killed and then talk to me about how much smarter you are."

    His obvious response will be that he'll be smart enough to not walk in your shoes in the first place.

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  37. A sociopath has an alien like lack of empathy.

    They also have an extreme self focus which means they cannot see things from another persons perspective.

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  38. @anon

    You wrote; "They also have an extreme self focus which means they cannot see things from another persons perspective."

    I don't agree, that's probably the case with narcissists, but what makes sociopaths successfull at manipulating people is that they can read other people so easily and therefore also see things from another persons perspective.

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  39. I'd consider myself a high functioning sociopath, but that doesn't stop me from ruthlessly exploiting those around me (family, friends and spouses)

    People look at abuse as if it is some kind of hindrance. In fact, abuse is another tool used to get ones own needs met.

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  40. Empaths can also be accused of the same. Not being able to see things from another person's perspective. We forget to take lower IQ into consideration, when talking about perspective. If you only have the capacity to learn so much, you only have the capacity to understand just as much, or as little; the case would be here.

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  41. Eden, you don't understand what a lack of empathy is.

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  42. Maybe, sociopaths can see things from another persons perspective, but don't feel what the other person is going through. Sociopaths know, intellectually, but do not know emotionally.

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  43. It's got nothing to do with being intelligent. Do you think that all the people not breaking the law are intelligent? Ha ha ha. They are the one's we are victimizing. How smart are you if you are being worked by a idiot.

    Do you think that Joseph Stalin was a imbecile? He made the USSR into a super power rivaling only the United States after the fall of the other imperial powers around him. Guess what he was? A bank robber and extortionist. Do you think that Al capone, Pablo Escobar, or Franky Fraser were idiots? I find that hard to believe.

    I don't believe the whole low functioning sociopath bollocks. The people on here that have all accused me and misanthrope of being one were all outsmarted by us so what does that tell you. There are fools among all. Whether or not you break the law doesn't determine that. That's just you swallowing propaghanda law enforcement pushes out there, which makes you a sucker.

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  44. I fully understand what lack of empathy is. Probably more than you do anon.

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  45. If they could see things through other perspectives they'd be more open minded. Seeing from another perspective is called empathy.

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  46. Didn't the whole 'high functioning' thing come from a dopey TV show? Is there any evidence to back the claim up?

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  47. @Monica
    You wrote; "Maybe, sociopaths can see things from another persons perspective, but don't feel what the other person is going through. Sociopaths know, intellectually, but do not know emotionally."

    Indeed, they can see things from another persons level on a cognitive level, including the emotions that person experiences, without feeling empathy. I find that very convenient.

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  48. He keeps me guessing, I need that.

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  49. "Psychopaths lack empathy towards others in general, resulting in tactlessness, insensitivity, and contemptuousness. Psychopaths can have a superficial charm about them, enabled by a willingness to say anything to anyone without concern for accuracy or truth. Shallow affect also describes the psychopath's tendency for genuine emotion to be short-lived, glib and egocentric, with an overall cold demeanor. They tend to be impulsive and irresponsible, often failing to keep a job or defaulting on debts"

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  50. Bullshit anon. Perceptive is not just some emotional thing. Emotions are a filter though; that can change perspective... but logic also plays a part, as do many factors; in perspective. So you if you can relate to another person's logic... you can understand their perspective.

    Where the fuck did you get that Perspective = Empathy??

    Empathy- The ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

    per·spec·tive

    noun /pərˈspektiv/ 
    perspectives, plural

    The art of drawing solid objects on a two-dimensional surface so as to give the right impression of their height, width, depth, and position in relation to each other when viewed from a particular point
    - a perspective drawing

    A picture drawn in such a way, esp. one appearing to enlarge or extend the actual space, or to give the effect of distance

    A view or prospect

    The relation of two figures in the same plane, such that pairs of corresponding points lie on concurrent lines, and corresponding lines meet in collinear points

    A particular attitude toward or way of regarding something; a point of view
    - most guidebook history is written from the editor's perspective

    True understanding of the relative importance of things; a sense of proportion
    - we must keep a sense of perspective about what he's done

    An apparent spatial distribution in perceived sound

    Do you see anything in the definition of perspective that suggests you must understand someone's feelings??

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  51. "Lacking in conscience and empathy, they take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without guilt or remorse"

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  52. "Psychopaths possess a general lack of empathy; they are simply unable to understand the emotional states of other people, except in a purely detached, intellectual sense. When a normal person sees someone else in pain or distress, he instinctively feels distress as well, but a psychopath never does. Thus, psychopaths can commit acts of stunning cruelty and callousness because they are not deterred by any unpleasant reaction to their victims' suffering. A violent psychopath can mutilate a person with all the emotion of a chef carving up a turkey. A psychopathic con man can swindle his parents out of their life savings and not give a second thought to the ruin he has left them in. Because the experiences of others provokes no emotion in psychopaths, they regard others as little more than objects for their personal gratification"

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  53. "Psychopaths are notorious for their hair-trigger tempers. They are highly reactive to perceived insults and slights, and throw tantrums over trivialities. Their tantrums are often short-lived, and they can revert to a perfectly calm state moments later. Although their aggression is poorly inhibited, it is generally not uncontrolled. Their aggression lacks the intense emotional turmoil normal people feel when they lose their temper, and thus they do not actually go "mad with rage"."

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  54. @anon
    I think most know the characteristiscs of a sociopath around here. Will you do a job for me and pay my debts? :-)

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  55. @Ukan
    Sometimes it sounds like you're defending sociopathy (ofcourse you'll respond that's not the case), like in the comment when you mention Stalin. You've done that on a regular basis. I find that strange and sometimes almost sounding moral, somewhat contradictory.

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  56. Didn't the whole 'high functioning' thing come from a dopey TV show? Is there any evidence to back the claim up?

    It came from the new sherlock holmes. The same guy who is a opium addict with no job.

    What's funny is that television portrays contrasts so that the audience can warm up to a anti hero. People naturally justify who you are if society says you should be unacceptable yet they for some reason can't help but like you.

    Take for instance when I'm in the club people know what I do for a living, obviously. They are not dope fiends out in the street a lot of these people have professional careers and just want to have a good time. When they meet me they expect some low life in the corner. When they do meet me I am professional, knowledgable, and courteous. They can't understand why I don't fit the persona they had in their mind so they start to project their own reasons for me having my career choice. They give me characteristics they want me to have. They give me their own reasons for doing the things that I do, that are in their mind justified in breaking the law. They will even go to the point of justifying violence I use against competition as me protecting them from people who sell adulterated product. These are people who don't believe in violence. Pretty soon they have made me a hero in their eyes that can do no wrong.

    The reality is that I don't give a toss about them or their ridiculous addictions. I'm there for the bottom line and I need their support and information to keep my operation moving. I struggle not to treat them like rubbish because in my heart I hold them all in contempt for their weaknesses.

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  57. David

    I read your mental splooge fest in the forums. It made a great bedtime story.

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  58. My own thesis would be that the sociopath would have any number of reasons to be saintly. The most crude reason would be to kiss God's ass and get into Heaven

    Lol

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  59. the socio is too evil for hell hehehe

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  60. Sometimes it sounds like you're defending sociopathy (ofcourse you'll respond that's not the case), like in the comment when you mention Stalin. You've done that on a regular basis. I find that strange and sometimes almost sounding moral, somewhat contradictory.


    Defending Joseph Stalin and being a criminal is moral? Go rest your neck whore you obviously can't follow along very well. I can see why your intelligence level landed you to where you are today. You are so self conscious about morality that anything people say that you disagree with is a moral arguement. If you are so guilty and unhappy then stop being a prostitute and do something else. It's that simple, david.

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  61. I think there's something your missing about sociopathy, dean. You've taken the idea of a lack of empathy, and clung to it obsessively. But I think a key element of sociopathy that you're missing, namely a lack of conscience, refutes almost every argument your trying to make. You're addicted to the idea that a lack of empathy can make people sharper, ,somehow, which it can, but you're forgetting to see the other aspects of sociopathy. You're clinging very desperately to the one aspect and conceptualizing and theorizing based on that sole trait. You think like an addict. You need to be open to see that there are other facets that come into play for defining a sociopath, and aa meetings to cure a general lack of conscience would be unattended.
    And as I said before, your saintly theory about sociopaths is literally impossible, because conscience is supposed to be what separates us from animals and links us to god through the holy spirit, and is the method of communication that god uses to direct his followers. So by that theory sociopaths are demons, not saints.

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  62. @Sweets

    You actually started on it? How far did you get before you dozed off?

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  63. High Functioning Socio/ Low Functioning SocioNovember 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM

    High Functioning Socio:
    M.E.
    Daniel
    Post




    Medium Functioning Socio:
    Mis
    Harv
    David



    Low Functioning:
    UKan

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  64. "because conscience is supposed to be what separates us from animals and links us to god through the holy spirit, and is the method of communication that god uses to direct his followers. So by that theory sociopaths are demons, not saints."

    I say amen to that, Sista Kanney! Preach on wit yo bad self!!!

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  65. What does a high functioning sociopath mean? By your definition, it's a non manipulative sociopath who isn't grandiose and has empathy for some people, lol?

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  66. Eden

    I made it to the early twenties.

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  67. High Functioning Socio/ Low Functioning SocioNovember 12, 2011 at 12:20 PM

    A low functioning sociopath is obvious, except maybe to a low functioning sociopath.

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  68. Someone's level of function is determined on how much anonymous like's them. Harv isn't real. David is a prostitute, alcholic, and suicidal so you can hardly say that is functional by any stretch or a sociopath for that matter. Daniel just said yesterday he is not a sociopath. That leaves your list pretty short.

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  69. I am real, Mother fucker. I am high functioning because I have a trust fund. If not, I would be low functioning like you, Ukan. I admit it.

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  70. You totally missed my point there Ukan. It had nothing to do with Stalin, I just wanted to make the point that sometimes you sound like you're defending sociopathy. Obviously sociopathy and a true sociopath wouldn't feel like he would have to defend his lack of morals/empathy, instead I smile at it.

    And why would you go on ranting again (whore ...), that all sounds pretty weak to me. Enfin swat, not that I care ...

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  71. Dang it, the first time I wrote that comment it was much more eloquent and concise. rewriting it made it repetitive, but you get the point.

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  72. And Eden, lol.
    David, sociopaths will always defend their stance on anything as being absolute goodness and truth.
    And I think functioning is determined by success and happiness level. In which case stupid sociopaths may hinder their own happiness, and thereby function minimally. But I think that can be applied to everyone... literally, everyone.

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  73. When you read about high-functioning alcoholics, they describe it as the ability to keep your job, and public image, without anyone being able to suspect you're a drunk. It's got nothing to do with their personal world, or level of happiness. It's all about being able to drink yourself into a dark stupor at night, and go to work the next morning, looking fresh and unscathed.

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  74. You know who pushes the high/low functioning the most? Zwaq. You can see how high fucntioning she is.

    People who claim they are high functioning are people screaming that they are not only different by being a sociopath, but even further they are a sociopath that has overcome their traits. It's special snowflake syndrome. What's funny is the amount of people who come in here saying that they are high functioning sociopaths are staggering. Almost every so called sociopath that has stepped in here. That would mean that psychology must have sociopaths all wrong right? Because a majority of sociopaths don't break the law, are not impulsive, and are relatively stable, right? I guess out of the 1% of the population that are sociopaths we just so happened to net all the good ones and somehow they get eaten up by the bad ones once they touch foot in this comment section. Yet they are more intelligent, right?

    The reality is they are in here talking about what they feel like doing or what they thought about doing. Their impulse control stopped them from doing anything, so what's the difference between them and the rest of society. It's not high functioning it's empathy and impulse control. It's the lack of belief that people with empathy have evil thoughts. Further they came here because these so called evil thoughts bothered them, so they tried to find why they had them. That's called a conscience.

    The reality is if we took away all the laws and structure in society people with empathy would be out there raping and murdering like everyone else. If you put a system in place that allows empathetic people to turn on each other they will do it in a heartbeat look at nazi germany. Having "evil" thoughts is not odd it is normal.

    You are not a genius because you have criminal thoughts and don't act on them. You just fear consequences. That doesn't make you smarter or better that just makes you ordinary.

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  75. Defending sociopathy is telling people that sociopaths are not good people?

    Believe me david if anybody in here doesn't feel good about who they are it is you.

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  76. @missus
    you wrote;

    "David, sociopaths will always defend their stance on anything as being absolute goodness and truth."

    I don't agree, I would even consider that statement contradictory. I consider myself amoral (ofcourse for many people I'm immoral).

    "And I think functioning is determined by success and happiness level."

    I agree. So from the age of 18-32 I was a high-functioning sociopath, and for the last year and a half I've been a low-functioning sociopath. What does that make me? lol

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  77. I think most people who identify as sociopathic and high(er) functioning do so because they haven't either been jailed yet, or like you say UKan, they're able to repress their "evil thoughts" and aren't sociopathic, though they might be some flavor of crazy, possibly OCD Intrusive thoughts, schizophrenic bipolar, et cetera.

    I've been lucky enough to have not been convicted, nor had to resort to crime fulltime to keep a roof over my head and my belly full. That doesn't make me High Functioning. That just means I've been lucky.

    If there was such a thing as High Functioning, I'd be awfully envious. I don't feel bad for anything I've done, but with some solid self-control I could have prevented a lot of shit from happening. It's necessitated career changes, moves, and money. I have a good life as it stands, but it only takes one fuck up to go from a charmed life to a prison cell. Most people don't even consider the possibility, but when you don't have a conscience and you're used to cutting corners and using people, it doesn't take much to remind you.

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  78. Bummer. My absolute favourite head of state has resigned.

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  79. I should leave out the word happiness there, but I usually associate success with happiness so i tend to lump them together.I agree I should've left it out of that argument.
    David, first of all I have not determined that you're a sociopath yet. Secondly, your def ending your a morality. For example, my husband will defend his demonic nature as if its better for the world that he's there. They'll try to change your opinion on whatever trait until you think its a good thing. Like all the sociopaths aren't sol bad arguments. And they will not faulter in their belief in their own ideas infallible qualities.

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  80. High Functioning Socio/ Low Functioning SocioNovember 12, 2011 at 1:52 PM

    Medium Functioning Sociopath:
    TNP

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  81. Wow, David, your a prostitute at 32? Damn.

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  82. I'd call that pretty low functioning. In general.

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  83. @Missus
    I like discussion, I don't know if I ever truely defend anything. In the end what counts is what ads up to my profit/enjoyment ... whatever you might call it.

    Btw I'm 34. I've been a prostitute since I was 17, I've given philosophical lectures, I did and was many things... I truely don't care what other people think about it and what their opinion is (I only care if it has consequences for me, negative or positive), I can assume that's hard to believe for most people because it is indeed is an extreme lack of feelings, it's very shallow.

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  84. Your only 34 David? For some reason I imagined you as being a little older.

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  85. Your just a bag of compliments. Aren't you?

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  86. I didn't mean that in a rude way, anon :)

    From all of his stories, I just imagined him being a little older.

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  87. So from the age of 18-32 I was a high-functioning sociopath



    I've been a prostitute since I was 17


    You can't go five minutes without shitting all over yourself, David. You are a joke.

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  88. Hello Beautiful Cheeks. How is the loveliest lady on here, or anywhere, doing?

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  89. I think youre starting to care a bit about the no where direction in your life, hence the depression. You can't be a prostitute forever, you're old now.

    And i dont mean to call you defensive, but I'm saying sociopaths will portray themselves on an almost godly level of perfection and righteousness... like their malevolence is invaluable somehow. I'm not directly relating that to you, excepting the case where I thought it helped to illustrate my point.

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  90. "I've given philosophical lectures"

    You know, I've read you mention this many times before now. Like you're trying to prove just how capable you are of applying yourself, in a way that could be seen as greatness.

    So go on then... give us a sample of one of your great lectures.

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  91. If there is no fresh meat, SW eats it's own.

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  92. @Missus
    Sounds more like you're portraying a narcissist. My guess is that Ukan is a narcissist.

    I feel better than most people (I guess because of my broader philosophical views on life and the intellectual freedom it has given me, my amorality and my lack or extremely shallow empathy), but on a cognitive level I somehow know I'm not better. But knowing that doesn't make my superior feeling and attitude go away.

    @Ukan
    Being a "whore" has given me many material wealth and many good years and pleasure, given me time and opportunities to intellectually develop myself that I wouldn't have had when having a regular job and relationship ...

    It's not because the word 'whore' comes out of your mouth (and that of many others) with a moral connotation that I care about that, or it has that moral connotation for me. Making money for sex hasn't defined who I am, neither has the many other things I've done (as can be read in the forum and you already knew). I guess being a drugsdealer hasn't totally defined who you are?

    @sweetcheeks
    Saying that I sound older sounds like a compliment to me :-)

    Bonne nuit

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  93. Davids been meat since he walked in here. We made a dramatic break through, though. Now he doesn't think he's sophisticated anymore. With the absence of his warm blanket of delusions he's left to cold reality. Aren't you david?

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  94. Hello there. I am raw meat

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  95. @Eden
    My lectures were about transhumanism and my personal views on transhumanism. Later on I also made comparisions between transhumanism and the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche. Lectures were always followed by a discussion with the public where they could ask questions. Sometimes these discussions took longer than the lecture itself.

    The lectures were not given in English but in my native language, although I guess I could give the lectures in English and French if I want to.

    Just google transhumanism if you want to know more about it. Ask me any questions tomorrow or later if you're interested in the subject.

    For now I'm going to sleep. Goodnight.

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  96. ok, David, I used to be much fonder of you, but your overdefensiveness is getting annoying now.
    And no. Manipulation is a sociopathic trait, fo rexample making others believe what you want so you're always right.

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  97. Sure I'm sophisticated. I'm eccentric and have an eclectic taste.

    I'm gone for now. Laila tov.

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  98. Being a drug dealer has helped define me. Abythibg you do consistently helps define who you are because they because your experiences in life. A lot of times you can guess peoples professions by how they act. How do you think that you act david, being a prostitute?

    The fact that you can't sleep at night unless your doped up and drunk is not surprising to me. The fact that you try to lie to yourself to make it through the day is not surprising to me. The fact that you are depressed is not surprising to me. The fact that you are unhappy with the prospect of your future is not surprising to me. The fact that you want to end your life after 14 years of prostitution doesn't surprise me. Your occupation has defined you david you are a fucking poster child for failure. You can't take anything past a simple musing because you are to afraid. That's why you haven't killed yourself. That's why you didn't off that old man that abused you for close to a decade. That's why you just have these fruitless brain farts that you can only fantasize about doing because you lack the courage and conviction to follow through on anything.

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  99. I'd rather have you tell me in your own words what transhumanism is, than to Google it, and ask you questions. I mean, anyone could take questions from people, Google them, then rearrange the words they use for the answers, so they seem like their own. Don't be lazy David... I want to see how well you teach.

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  100. Monsieur David, tu nest pas sophis. Tu es assez facile. Comme un enfant. Ou comme un je ne sais pas. Je suis pense que tu avais seulement 21 ans.
    Mon passed compose nest pas parfait, ma is tu le comprends.

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  101. Nice ukan. Pretend to know French so we don't think your wife is you. You people are fooled that's all I got to say. Only a loser would pretend to be his wife.

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  104. David

    LOL It cracks me up that you always make a point to say goodnight and then you respond a few more times.

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  106. What are you doing tonight, Beautiful Cheeks?

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  107. I'd rather have you tell me in your own words what transhumanism is, than to Google it, and ask you questions. I mean, anyone could take questions from people, Google them, then rearrange the words they use for the answers, so they seem like their own. Don't be lazy David... I want to see how well you teach


    What's hilarious is that Eden called him out on what his response would be and he did exactly that. Now he's cutting and pasting from a dutch website. Wow david, you are so sophisticated.

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  108. What an interesting post! I concur with the author and personally appreciate his insights.

    Individuals with sociopathic and/or psychopathic tendencies can be rehabilitated and even find ways to integrate these aspects of their personalities in positive- as opposed to destructive- ways.

    Now that I have become self-aware, I authentically understand myself for the first time. I am thus learning to recognize the emotionally abusive patterns and toxic relating styles to which I am predisposed. My hairline trigger temper, complete emotional self-centeredness, impulsive, disproportionately explosive reactions, blunted (as opposed to non-existent) empathy and remorse, and failure to take responsibility for my antisocial or unethical acts and inappropriate outbursts, all make a lot more sense now. I consequently feel less helpless and discouraged by the profound schism that exists between my personality and authentic faith, and by how difficult it has been for me to change these behavioural patterns. (Because Lord knows I've been trying for years, I just didn't understand the nature of what I was dealing with, and felt like a complete and utterly failed Christian most of the time.) If I can begin to identify these trends and triggers, I can start to take real steps to remediate them.

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  109. Yes. I really am curious to know how you lay the concept out for an audience. Give it in small sections... and I will work to translate it.

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  110. @Missus
    Votre français n'est certainement pas excellent, il faut dire que je n'ais pas vraiment compris votre petit text.

    J'ai eu l'avantage d'être né près de la frontière alors je parle très bien le français.

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  111. Hi Frank

    I am getting ready to grill these beautiful porterhouse steaks in a little bit, how are you?

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  112. David, do you really want to live forever on a planet that has 7 billion people scurrying about on it like desperate cockroaches?

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  113. You expect anyone to believe some prostitute is writing lectures on transhumanism? Come on david. If you are so high functioning and intelligent how come you have sunk to this lowest form of an occupation. If you benefited so much from being a prostitute why are you depressed, lonely, and on the verge of killing yourself. Stop the delusions david. You are not anything. You are a 'could have been' and at the end of the day that is a loser.

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  114. Beautiful, I am doing so much better. I threw out my depression meds.

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  115. @Ukan
    I'm cutting and pasting from my own lecture you stupid fuck, it's there for you to see.

    Do you really think I'm gonna crawl here and lecture for Eden.

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  116. Oh darn...

    I was going to draw it out for a bit longer, UKan. I really wanted to see him put up all that info, and try to convince me it is all him.

    It's still funny though.

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  117. You people are idiots. Wake up. UKan talks to his own characters. He admits it.

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  118. @Ukan
    Well then I'm a loser that prostites himself and gives lectures on transhumanism and cryonics. I can't blame you for thinking it's not credible, after all it certainly isn't obvious.

    Btw you were looking into having yourself a cryonics contract. Just test me and ask me anything you want on that, I'll be glad to give you advice.

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  119. I want to highlight some of your words to describe yourself in your sentence Alterego:

    helpless and discouraged
    complete and utterly failed Christian

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  120. I'm well read on the topic david and I learned it all through the interenet like you did. I don't take advice about the afterlife from someone who can't get their current one together.

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  122. I sure couldn't give you advice on the 'afterlife' LOL, but I could without any doubt give you advice on how to get a cryonics contract and which organisation to choose (Alcor or the Cryonics Institute)

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  123. You people are idiots. Wake up. UKan talks to his own characters. He admits it.

    I don't talk to frank. He's obviously fake. Get over your paranoia. I'm not everywhere.

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  124. You're doing it again David. This is what gives you away Every time. See, I don't give a fuck whether or not you're real. I don't care if you're the Surgeon General, or a fuzzy pink elephant. The joy is in watching you try so hard to prove it, after saying how little you care about what we think.

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  125. David I don't need your cut and paste wisdom. If I wanted that I would just go to wikipedia or youtube.

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  126. i didn't bother to read anything but im back arnt ya glad im back ?

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  127. I was cutting and pasting from my own lecture Ukan, you always hated it that a whore apparently could have a functioning brain, that from day one I walked in here.

    What I learned from you in the meanwhile is that you aren't a sociopath, it couldn't be more obvious that you're a narcissist.

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  128. I am real and 100% red blooded male, no homo for Frank. Sorry, David. Nothing against you, but Frank is all man.

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  129. @Frank
    My blood is pink, I feel superior lol

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  130. does Missus Kanny miss me yet not enough i will be waiting

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  131. Tommy Lynn Sells is UKan.

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  132. no tommy lynn sells is zwhawk ;)

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  133. I got nothing against homosexuals, David. I am just not oriented that way. I wish I could find a woman like Sweet Cheeks. Maybe, Frank can, now that he is off the depression meds.

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  134. "He's everywhere! He's in everything!" -The Craft

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  135. @Frank
    Plenty of fish in the sea ...

    I really need to go to sleep now, for the third time ...

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  136. Frank if you are going to make up shit about yourself at least do it right. My housemate ran out of her meds for a few days last week and she was a nutbag with temper tantrums and was sleeping (and still is) 14-16 hours a day.

    Getting off of anti-depressants is sure to leave you extremely depressed for a long while before you stabilize. And you can't just "throw them out" you have to taper. If you just "threw them out" you'd probably be in the hospital right now.

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  137. No one's keeping you here but you, David. Go on then... take your pills with some booze, and rock yourself to sleep.

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  138. And Eden use less eyeliner, you look like a satanic frog.

    Bonne nuit

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  139. I feel great, little lady. Don't jinx Frank, now.

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  140. I bet david. You were cutting and pasting someone else's lecture. You come on here trying to play this farce and it's so fucking laughable.

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  141. and the drugs and the booze combined really bad vibes

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  142. I like David for some reason.

    Though he probably comes off as a creep in real life, and not necessarily the good kind.

    I don't have a problem with you being a prostitute, but the fact that you constantly try to temper it for others as well as for yourself by constantly referring to your 'lectures' or whatever intellectual gifts you may or may not have, or how worldly you are, shows that you really aren't okay or proud of what you do for a living.

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  143. They are called false eyelashes, and they were for Halloween. I was thinking more like a fish, in a fish bowl... but I'll take satanic frog. A white frog would be a sight to see for sure.

    Don't you know anything about makeup David? Not gay enough I suppose. I would think most people here could tell those weren't my real lashes... except the retards of course.

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  144. are ya male prostitute david i culd fuck ya up the ass im no homo but the ass is tighter and not many girls like it i culd do it if ya take it for free

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  145. No Eden, he admitted to wearing makeup in the forum.

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  146. Ah well then.... I guess he's just stupid after all, eh Sweets? lol

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  147. I'm certainly not ashamed that I'm a prostitute, otherwise I would have come in here and just talked about giving lectures, but I sure am not proud of it neither. I truely don't care, even if people now it in real life. Although I consider my intellectual gifts of more importance than making money through sex.

    Yes I'm a creep. I can tell many people feel uncomfortable around me. In my daily life I don't express emotion at all when I'm not interacting with people, my facial expression is totally flat. And when I interact with people some still feel uncomfortable as I can see they feel that my expression of emotions is superficial.

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  148. @Eden
    I first thought it was the picture of corpse (being that pale), a murder victim or something like that.

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  149. @David... well then I did a good job on my makeup I'd say. It being Halloween and all, yeah?

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  150. Medusa

    Your roommate seems extra special. She must provide you loads of entertainment.

    Eden

    I like the way the bottom lashes are done, I haven't seen that before.

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  151. @Eden
    Because of the attention you're giving me ;-)

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  152. dont feel sad david those peeps just dont understand ya i give ya lot of attention

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  153. @Eden
    I just looked at your picture in detail. The eyes look creepy, good for halloween. I like the lips.

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  154. uz mak me laf so much

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  155. I take 1,5 to 2mg alprazolam a day, that's not much. Not so long ago I totally stopped taking them. After a day it felt as if my head was totally empty, I felt totally desorientated, I couldn't even go out to do some simple shopping. I started taking them again and it took a day to feel ok again.

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  156. ya no killer if ya need to take drugs to feel normal david i do drugs to get in trouble!

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  157. thats a pretty high dosage, your pushing Zanibar status and I think those are illegal in some states here.

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  158. **not illegal, but not prescribed except under constant care.

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  159. "your pushing Zanibar status"

    I don't get that.

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  160. My regular doctor prestribes them without any problem. I've never been in psychiatric treatment. I recall getting them in the hospital when I had my first perimyocarditis (inflammation of the heart) and suffered pressure on my chest, afterwards I kept taking them.

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  161. push it man push the zanzibar status eat the pill eat them all with a drink zanzibar is good it feels good

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  162. Xanibar/ Zanibar = 2mg pill of Xanex which is pretty rare. I don't know about the UK preference in drugs, but that's what pill poppers call them to ingest and/or snort here.

    I was just discussing dosage and effects with a friend that was taking a some chemistry course in college. He used to pop a lot of those when he was young.

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  163. I'm in continental Europe. I think the 2mg is Xanax Retard here, so the dosage is released slowly into the system, not at once as the once's I take. I take 1mg when I wake up, and once or twice 0,5mg during the rest of the day.

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  164. I really need to go now, it's 2:30 am here. Goodnight.

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  165. sounds good and take some whiskey and coke and everything else you can get too like me it is fun head is spinning

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  166. I just spell it out like it sounds ;)

    Anyways, what we were discussing is once you start taking it long term, it is harder for the brain to function normally again in comparison to other drugs.

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  167. dont listen to the doctors they dont know anything the more forbidden the more fun take everything and ya see it is fun

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  168. Awww David, you're making me blush now. I guess I could use a lil rouge for the 'ol ghostly complexion, though.

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  169. Where's the sociopath woman prosecuted by aspies story? I'm talking bout the first line of today's post. A link would be nce, M.E.

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  170. eden's picture looks like miss piggy

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  171. Ukan: Yeah. But "He said to me,
    'My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.' (2 Cor 12:9)

    You cannot appreciate what that means until you recognize and acknowledge that the cold, hard centre in which you have invested so much of your identity, is not unique strength, but abject weakness, impotence and deficiency. And it is exactly what God will use help others when you finally understand that you can only grow when you are willing to die to yourself.

    So good luck with that! As for me, I will try to attenuate my psychopathic urge to revel in the fact that after this life, it is truly game over for people like you. I might even get around to praying for you.

    Buh-bye! :-)

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  172. My reading of the literature is quite extensive and the only traits I can find which can be described clinically unique would be the lack of empathy and the general blunted reactions to pain and fear. Everything else is behavioral, and involves behaviors you can find in endless numbers of non-sociopaths.

    A sociopath may of course choose evil, revel in it even. Such would not surprise me in the least.

    I have never suggested, nor do I believe, there is a "cure" for the condition. Indeed, a "cure" sounds a little creepy and wrong.

    But I think I've said enough for now. Carry on. :-)

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  173. Well let's get a second opinion on that, Frank. What do you think Sweets? Do I look like Miss Piggy in my picture?

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  174. That was not the real Frank. I do not insult the ladies. If that ever happens, it is not the Frank you know, as himself.

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  175. Oh, I suppose I should add this:

    If you want to get into the whole Christian thing, the orthodox view (not common among fundamentalists) would be that humans are neither angels nor devils. Christianity has always taught that men are fundamentally fucked up, fundamentally flawed, and we are all dealt a hand that leaves us imperfect, and beset in life with unique challenges. The question is what you do about it. You can of course choose evil; if you believe in free will, evil is always a choice, and reveling in evil is certainly an option.

    Anyway, cheers.

    (David: I'll look for that discussion on alcoholism later BTW, thanks.)

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  176. UKan is spoofing everyone with his best creation, yet, dumb Frank. Wake up, Fuckers.

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  177. Wow! UKan is Frank??!! Really?! That's fucking CRAZY shit! You know, I was thinking: If I were going to make a retarded character like Frank up; who would I try to imitate? I came to the best conclusion that in fact, I would probably be most convincing as a retard, if I mimic that stupid bitch Ami, who ran off ages ago, and never came back!

    Yeah. Sounds like a master plan to me

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  178. No Eden, you don't look like Miss Piggy

    Why is this place so dead lately?

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  179. I don't know Sweet. Maybe everyone is starting to overdose on themselves, and each other. :)

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  180. I know this place is full of people imitating people and accusing people of imitating people, but Frank is who he is. I may not be the smartest person around, but I am him.

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  181. This is real shit.

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  182. "I may not be the smartest person around, but I am him."

    Corrected as: Frank may not be the smartest person around, but Frank I am.

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