Friday, November 11, 2011

Another view (part 1)

From new reader Dean Esmay:
Hi. I run a fairly popular blog and occasionally I do interviews. I've been writing about sociopathy/psychopathy lately; for a wide variety of reasons the subject fascinates me but has only come to my focused attention recently. FYI, I am not sociopathic to the best I can determine; remorse and guilt are far too familiar to me. I also have a son who is autistic, and I have strong aspie tendencies--although in atypical fashion, one of those oddballs who's somewhere on that spectrum but not clearly identifiable.
My recent reading on the subject of psychopathy has shocked me out of a few metric tonnes of preconceptions. Not your blog alone but definitely your blog has been impressive and at times mind-blowing. I've been reading you rather voraciously. At first you creeped me out pretty bad but the more I read the less so. Before reading your blog, other reading on the subject led me to see a parallel (not link, but definite parallel) between this condition and the aspie/autie spectrum. When I saw that you also perceived a connection it confirmed I was onto something. I doubt the conditions really are related any much more than writing and painting are related--in other words, sort of but not really. But they clearly share some common traits.

I had presumed that a sociopath/psychopathic had to be evil; now I have had a near-total rethink. You may not be comfortable with the terms "good" and "evil" but I pretty much use them in the Judeo-Christian sense and am comfortable with that language; I sense you can work with that without too much philosophical hairsplitting for now. My take at the moment is that sociopathy mixed with sadism (deriving pleasure from deliberately inflicting suffering) is probably going to generate a dangerous and quite evil person, and sociopathy mixed with stupidity and lack of self-awareness is probably going to generate a highly destructive personality (to self and/or others). But it does not follow that sociopathy all by itself is malignant. Potentially malignant of course, but who in this world is not potentially malignant? It is not as if sociopaths invented lying, cheating, backstabbing, and so on.

I suspect that among the high number of socipaths in prison, the majority are the stupid or non-self-aware kind, who can probably be helped with self-awareness and psychological training that focuses not on feelings but on rational self-interest: "Look, you have this limitation, this form of emotional color-blindness. It has contributed to many of your problems. But if you focus on these specific things, these specific behaviors, even if they're uncomfortable or alien at first, you are likely to have a far more rewarding life." I don't pretend I can list what all those things would be, or what all the strategies would be, but I think that sociopaths themselves, working with neurotypicals and other types of "neurodiverse," could learn to do this exact thing, just as dispassionate study of autism and asperger's has done so much to help people in that sub-population. (They haven't just been helped by "awareness," although that has been helpful; identifying useful coping and constructive life-strategies has done a lot, as has early diagnosis and better forms of intervention).

293 comments:

  1. Therapy has already been tried with psychopaths, and it makes them worse.

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  2. I think the reader is M.E.

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  3. I actually think this entire blog is a bit daft. For someone to be clinically diagnosed as a pyschopath and sectioned within the UK they would need to be pre-disposed towards violence. If you are dis-connected towards your emotions this in itself is not enough for you to be recognised as a socio/psychopath, you are just someone who is not is emotionally disconnected. If you don't believe me go to any psychiatrist (not psyhologist) and try and get yourself diagnosed as a sociopath. Unless you pick up a pen and stab said shrink in the neck it simply wont happen. Why? because the definition of a sociopath is not only someone who feels no emotion, but someone who is also heavily predisposed towards cruelty and violence and gets gratification through such means. There is simply no such thing as a good sociopath as this goes against the actual definition of the term, as well as any clinical assessment thereof.

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  4. Very interesting, Veyron

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  5. but there are violent and abusive assholes on this blog.

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  6. But they are just that, violent and abusive assholes. They are everywhere is life, but this is not enough, in itself to make them sociopaths. For the record i have spent the last couple of days reading as much material on this blog as possible. What is obvious above anything else is how many posters have tendencies to narcissistic personality disorder. In fact i would go as far as saying that this blog is a haven for such people. Narcissists are excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power and prestige (wikipedia def ;-)). This blog is a perfect breeding ground. You wont find any sociopaths here because they have absolutely no interest in reflection or self-awareness. If they did they wouldn't be sociopaths. What alarms me most is how many wannabee sociopaths there are on this blog, but i guess this again fits in with definition of a narcissist, this in itself is a pathological by-product of an extreme lack of self-worth, which can be caused by a multitude of reasons. For the record i have worked with people who have been diadnosed as pychopaths (all sectioned within the Bethlam Royal Hospital in Kent) and NONE would be in anyway interested in this blog. It just wouldn't be on their radar.

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  7. You have a point. The sociopaths that are here don't come here to learn veyron. They use the blog to boast and intimidate others.

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  8. Veyron, are you a doctor? I hear that ring of authority in your voice lol

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  9. @Veyron


    There are a few here who match your definition. See -- Misanthrope, Harv and UKan.

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  10. the s's here use the blog for sadistic release.

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  11. I've never seen the socios genuinely contribute to the blog. They piss me off with the arrogance.

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  12. There is no sociopaths in this site, they are all fake.

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  13. I'm not a doctor. I have a degree in communications and a post-grad diploma in psychology. Two people i know were sectioned in a mental institution and i got involved in an out-reach support capacity. I do have a real interest in mental health and one of my good friends is a psychiatrist so i know a bit about it. I do think there should be a label on the top of the site stating that a lack of empathy does not in itself make you a sociopath. Hopefully that would deter the flock of teenagers who are struggling with emotional connection, have self-esteem issues, narcissistic personalities etc. To be honest i'm not sure why a sociopath would use a website about sociopathy to try and intimidate others. These people just sound like they are seeking attention. There are numerous reasons why, most connections to issues of self-worth, vanity, nacissism etc. I would like to introduce the 'sociopaths' on this website to someone who has been sectioned for glassing someone in the throat (victim died) for absolutely no reason.

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  14. "who has been sectioned for glassing someone in the throat (victim died) for absolutely no reason"

    That's nothing. I'm sure most of our s's could do that.

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  15. @veyron

    you have to be a troll. mindlessly cutting somebody's throat equates to them being a sociopath?

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  16. It's got nothing to do with whether your s's could do that, but whether they have done that. Significant difference, and the distinction between someone who is very angry, narcissistic, posing etc and someone that would, in medical terms be diagnosed as a sociopath.

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  17. The self-proclaimed "sociopaths" on this site are people who were told time and time again, as a child, that they were special people, unique and better than everyone else. When they grew up, the harsh world dropped them on their backsides because, let's face it, by definition most people can't be unique, exceptional individuals. So they desperately need some other fantasy to cling on to, and since Hollywood has made the concept of "psychopathy" kind of cool these days, that's the image they are clinging on to. There is a word for such disorder and it is called "narcissism".

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  18. 6.46am ...you're missing the point.

    For someone to be clinically diagnosed as a pyscho/sociopath they would need to demonstrate cruel, violent tendencies. The medical profession is not interested in people who 'think' they are sociopaths, and for abvious reasons.

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  19. 'need to demonstrate cruel, violent tendencies'

    have you even been reading the blog moron? admit it. you were the person who glassed somebody. that's why you believe your the sociopath.

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  20. 7.01am...

    You're cryptic response is wasted on me, sorry!

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  21. of course, sociopaths are more prone to violence than an average person, but that doesn't mean they are openly violent.

    sociopaths use violence in private to control and put on a mask of normalcy in public, even in therapy. a person with borderline personality would be prone to impulsive violence. a sociopath plans his violence and knows exactly what he is doing.

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  22. Well well... Ill be very sorry when my computer freezes up on This one. Here comes the new fun I've been waiting for.

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  23. from your logic, no sociopath could hold a position of power. they would be just too violent and cruel to attain any kind of powerful position.

    i see where your coming from though, but the person who smiles at you and doesn't show you any signs of violence. could be butchering women in his free time. a sociopath knows better than to show you what he is really like, unless he has his hooks into you. sociopaths differ from assholes in the sense that they wear a cloak of decency and stability. people will always be too stupid to see through that.

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  24. sociopaths realize that empaths are naturally stupid and will take all sorts of abuse from them and will still forgive them. this is why empaths are vulnerable to sociopaths. sociopaths can see right through them.

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  25. Mother just killed a man put a gun against his head pulled my trigger now he's dead

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  26. @Kanney

    It's 'Mama, just killed a man...'

    Not 'mother'

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  27. a sociopath is very two faced. you should never cry or admit a personal matter around one. as soon as you are gone they will mock you or share the information.

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  28. ya all wannabe killers fakes ya will never know the rush of taking a life because ya dont got the guts to go through with it i feel bad for ya all except i dont haha

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  29. Anon 7:50
    Very good summary of Miss K. How do you relate when she says she is not a sociopath--huh?

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  30. Yea and look where you are now you fat fucking B list serial killer. I get to start wars when I want. Killing many more than you have and getting filthy rich off it! :)

    All under the guise of decency.

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  31. "a sociopath is very two faced."

    Idiot. Most people are two faced in one way or other.

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  32. y dos eden get upset wen socia has narcissistic traits? is it coz eden dont love herself

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  33. Eden...

    Nice pic, sort of vamp meets Clockwork Orange

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  34. Sociopaths only read GQ.

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  35. Her pic makes me die inside.

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  36. Sociopaths look down on the poor.

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  37. All people are too faced by definition.

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  38. im not really tommy lynn sells hes sitting in death row tommy lynn sells is a god i am continuing his work 17 and counting tommy lynn sells was right and ya will never get it to kill is not about the power it is about the rush to rape is not about the power its about sex

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  39. Double Two faced PersonNovember 11, 2011 at 8:07 AM

    Goes to Missus Kanney. Gurl, you turn two- faced in to a fucking art form.

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  40. Tommy you will always be B list.

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  41. Sociopaths are ESPECIALLY two faced and devious.

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  42. dick im no b list im going to the a list ya will see when they finally catch me i will be number 1 and they will make many movies about me and write books shrinks will study me and try to understand me but they will never get it right because they cant

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  43. iz like it that u fink i m nice, how duz it look on me?

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  44. i iz not intentionaly malicious tho fur no reason

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  45. 3 queen songs in one hour!
    I want to break free!

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  46. This comment that all sociopaths are violent and lack the slightest self control is just nonsense and ignorance. Read about sociopathy first before you make comments.

    Someone on the forum wrote that there isn't one sociopath on this site. In a reply I agreed to make a full statement about my life under the sub-forum 'sociopath read here'. I will be finishing it in the next days.

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  47. davidsocio01...

    No-one said that sociopaths are violent and lack self-control. I stated that sociopaths are pre-disposed towards violence, and or sadism. The combination of this violence and a lack of empathy makes a sociopath. A lack of empathy in itself DOES NOT make you a sociopath. Look forward to reading your auto-biography in the next few days. Try reading my posts PROPERLY in future before you make comments.

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  48. So, veyron, I'm glad someone dies and made you the authority. There are some things admittedly I agree with you on. The overabundance of narcissists on this blog being one of them... actually, that being the only one. And i guess I agree with the fact that to be a sociopath you have to meet the criteria, which is why I think you're wrong about a few people on here. I'd bet money on the fact that mis and my husband are both sociopaths. To say that its impossible for a sociopath to get to know themselves is ignorant. Some people can be put in positions where they literally have to get to know themselves if they have any degree of intelligence. And the sociopaths on here are not interested in getting to know themselves so much as they get a kick out of fucking with and learning from each other. Its an entertaining sort of display to them on how the others accomplish what they do. Sometimes they play off of each other. I think the Erin, and the guy with the retarded kid incidents were excellent examples of the amusation by cruelty and causing others pain. I can also say in my husbands real life that he always enjoys making people uncomfortable, inflicting pain, causing fear, or otherwise destroying people for amusement and powers sake. So while I respect your confidence on the matter, I have to tell you the same as I would not me. You're an idiot.

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  49. Veyron Beats MissusNovember 11, 2011 at 9:10 AM

    he he he he he

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  50. @veyron
    Ok, I agree on your last post. But one can be pre-disposed towards violence without ever using physical violence, although the chance that this person will ever turn violent is ofcourse much higher. One can be very sadistic and abusive to someone else without using physical violence. I know from experience that you can emotionally destroy a person without hitting him or her once.

    And most always say "a sociopath has no empathy" without ever giving a full definition for the word 'empathy'. I guess everyone has some kind of feelings or very shallow feelings, even a psychopathic serial killer who kills his victims in the most extreme way. It's so hard to define what a sociopath is and trying to diagnose a person by that theoretical criteria.

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  51. Miss Kanney, SW gets someone spouting the No True Sociopath fallacy routinely. Someone will invariably feel compelled to take time out of their busy lives to comment that everyone here is not a sociopath, which will then be followed by “no true sociopath would…” fill in the blank with personal pet theory. They will invariably fail to notice that most regulars here don’t actually call themselves sociopaths. They will also fail to recognize that it is more accurate to say that behavior can be described as existing on a spectrum rather than in neat, hermetically sealed boxes. Really the NTS fallacy wielder is par for the course. Very tedious.

    The real question is, why do they bother? Who cares if a bunch of assholes are lying to themselves?

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  52. @Missus kanney
    Do you consider yourself a sociopath?

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  53. flock together but eagles soar alone. I flew under the wings of the peckerwood bird for safety in numbers

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  54. Daniel got assholes right------Hola Ukan

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  55. Lol. Indeed. Why wouldn't they just bemuse themselves and go about their day? Perhaps they're bitter. I wasn't aware it was such a regular occurance. I can discard those commentors with the anonymi from now on.

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  56. I do not consider myself a sociopath. Far from it in fact. I'm a very emotional person. Though less empathic than I used to be. I'm finding a happy medium.

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  57. MK, you are so right about the anonymi too. If they can’t be bothered to even name themselves, how important can their opinions be?

    The regulars on here who know they are probably sociopaths don’t need our approval or acknowledgement. I assume they don’t give a damn. They don’t need anyone else to tell them who they are.

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  58. David, though I don't find you as annoying as typical narcissists yet, I don't think you are a sociopath. And if I had to guess I'd say you're a narcissist, if even that. You could just be one of those types. I have a general soft spot for gayness when it comes to narcissism. There's something endearing about the combination.

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  59. @Missus
    The only gay thing about me these days is the sex, I don't look gay at all as when I had the age of 17-18. I look like a conservative English aristocrat when I'm not receiving clients.

    I guess it's likely I'm a sociopath but I can't be sure. So if you're not a sociopath you're just a bitch in both senses of the word?

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  60. I do it because I like dropping people from their pedestals they promoted themselves with, just like every other asshole here. But unlike all the other assholes here, I don't have this rich fantasy life that allows me to imagine myself being Hannibal Lecter. I can say to myself I'm just a regular, average asshole and still face myself in the mirror. I won't lose any sleep over it.

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  61. Lol. Oh, indeed. as if they need our acceptance of a lable they've carved for themselves? I think that would be inherantly un sociopathic. I think it just made a lot of sense to my husband. Now he uses it as a sort of tool.
    People too afraid to say anything with a name, on an already anonymous blog, deserve no attention, whatsoever. I answer them only when its something I want to say. I use them as an excuse to type something I feel is relevant, and give them no more respect than that. I am otherwise unphased by anything they try to throw.

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  62. Plus I find these discussions very amusing. Good entertainment when I don't have anything better to do with my time.

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  63. Lol. Than maybe you just have a gayness when I picture you. Either way I like it. My best friend is actually that type of gay. Subtle, but obvious. And as I said, somehow to me so far you pull off narcissism endearingly.
    And yes, I am just a bitch. I have little patience for delusions and it doesn't carry over well into friendliness.

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  64. Would the label be an excuse for you, David? Is that what you're looking for? I don't need an excuse for my bitchiness, but would it validate your loneliness?

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  65. Missus Kanney, thanks for the constructive feedback. I guess you've just owned me.

    Who says i was just talking about physical violence? Mental cruelty, physical violence, general sadism, all included. My point being that a sociopath is pre-disposed towards cruelty/violence. It's one of the things that makes them a sociopath. Without it you're just someone who lack empathy. I'm sure you're husband is a sociopath, and i am genuinly sorry for you. But he isn't writing on this blog is he? ....or is he...

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  66. "But he isn't writing on this blog is he? ....or is he..."

    Yes he is, he's the king of the loudmouth narcs here lol

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  67. I don't come here for self reflection. I already know who I am. I come here to traumatize people and play games.

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  68. Exactly MK. As for me, I don’t call myself a sociopath or a psychopath. I’m not a borderline. I’m not a narcissist. I’m not schizoid. I’m not an aspie. The label I use now (when I use one at all here) is very smart human.

    Humorously, Dr. Robert was once sure I was a psychopath. That goes to show you how accurate “online distance diagnosis” actually is. I’m fairly confident I have since changed his mind.

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  69. OK i conceed that there may be some real life sickos on this blog, and i also agree that as with most mental illnesses there are no ready-made, easy to define packages that weirdos naturally fit into. However its also all to obvious that most of the people on this blog are just emotionally retarded and/or very confused. As a general outsider this blog is one-step away from the thousands of forums for 'real-life' vampires. I'm sorry but most of the stuff on here is just laughable.

    And if that makes you angry, then maybe you're not a sociopath after all.

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  70. Now now veryon. Sorry for her? How cruel of you. We just met and your already handing down judgement.

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  71. That was the fastest easiest turn around I've yet seen on this blog. Good job, veyron. My dog doesn't even do his turn around that fast. And you seemed so confident. Hm. Funny.

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  72. It must make you angry that we are here veryon. It's funny because people like you are the ones in real life who are the marks. It's easy to pass a conviction on to someone who is so convicted.

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  73. UKanada...

    No offence mate but i've got absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about.

    If you want to fuck with me you need to speak English...

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  74. I'd call you a rational personality type, in general, Daniel, but other than that I often find labels are most helpful for broken people. Like some kind of an affirmation to their faults... like, "I'm OK, I'm just bipolar". Labels are useful because they help people to know their faults and how tocircumnavigate them, but people never use themfor that. They typically just identify with them and wave them as a flag of justification. I personally believe strongly in knowing your label so you can stop being that label. Knowledge is always atool.

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  75. would any woman here have a kid with someone they didn't love? Serious question.

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  76. I'm speaking english. If you can't grasp at that basic concept why are you coming in here telling people what's what then, eh?

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  77. UKAndid...

    But why would you come on here to traumatise people and play games? Why not any other blog where people will be a lot more un-suspecting and where you're cruelty will really hit home. I'm genuinly curious...

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  78. You guys shouldn't give in to UKan so easily. He's actually one of the easiest marks I've ever seen when you know which buttons to push. Very insecure in the core, full of narcissistic rage.

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  79. Again, I agree MK. If you actually have a bona fide disorder/mental illness, then labels are not only helpful but necessary, both for diagnosis and treatment. I think I made a very similar argument here a while ago, with someone going by Peter Pan.

    These days, I find myself regularly amused by the “Am I a Sociopath” threads on various forums that I lurk on. I suppose the No True Sociopath fallacy wielders do have a point there. Most of the people who write the querying posts seem to be either angry and confused adolescents (their brains are still developing) or angsty adult loners who wear black and are overly fond of Nietzsche.

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  80. I kind of fell into it really. I'll tell you why I come here if you tell me why you came here. That's fair isn't it?

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  81. Missus Kanney wrote:
    "Would the label be an excuse for you, David? Is that what you're looking for? I don't need an excuse for my bitchiness, but would it validate your loneliness?"

    No the label sociopath wouldn't be an excuse. I don't really have any moral feelings, so I don't feel sorry for anything I've done to other persons in the past, so obviously I don't need an excuse.

    With all the time I have these days and reading and writing so much about sociopathy here I have to be careful not saying such things in real life. I had an apointment with the justice assistent this week to talk about the community service I'll have to do. She was very charmed by me but in the end when she talked about what I've done I responded in a bit of a flamboyant way "well you have these people that have done something wrong and then they come up with all these huge mea culpa's, that's not my thing". She looked at me a bit suspicious when I said that, so I have to watch my words.

    I like to be alone, I need loneliness. The last year I had to move to another city because I got exposed to former friends, legal and financial issues ... I cannot say I feel lonely (because I guess when you feel lonely one has to feel bad, and that's not the case). I miss the excitement I had previously as I have to keep low profile while going through the legal issues these days. My real problem for the moment is lack of excitement, boredom ...

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  82. UKandid,

    Boredom.

    You...

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  83. missus kanney, hun, woman to woman. Would u have a kid with someone you didn't love? Serious question pertaining to my own life. Cheers.

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  84. Boredom


    I can say the same. You came in here with all of these conclusions, and now you back tracked. You want to ask questions, but you don't want to answer any. Did you think that this place out of all places would be a place where you can only take and not give?

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  85. must be some serious boredom to come pick fights with sociopaths, why are you so bored?

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  86. Hahaha!
    I remember pan and tink. I wasn't commenting at the time, but they amused me. That was when my husband first introduced me to this blog.
    I understand the searching to know yourself aspect of this and other blogs. The dark wearing loner aspect I understand too, though its a bit more abhorrant... Zhawq.
    Really, our mind is seeking a balance between unconcious and conscious. So people with labels are the ones way out in left field in one direction or the other. To a degree, all sociopathy is related to insecurity, in that its an inability to release control or power at all costs. Its an imbalance. But its all those idiosyncracies that add an element of interest to the personality. Character faults turn into interesting quirks when dealt with well enough.

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  87. Not me, you're still an idiot.or do I confuse you for tnp? And no I would not, and have not, and will not. I think it goes against nature and instincts.

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  88. UKand...

    I actually laughed when i read your last post. Too much TV has addled your brain, but i like your style. In terms of 'giving', i gave my perspective on this forum from my own experience and learnings. I may be wrong but i've got you lot chatting. I came upon this forum after following a link from another website whilst doing some research. I'm having a quiet day at work and was genuinly bored so thought i'd get involved. That's about it. Now tell my why you're here...

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  89. Veyron has some serious gray matter

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  90. Veyron, ,there are a few things you're trying very hard at.

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  91. i agree Missus, not with your opinion i'm an idiot, (fuck you btw you don't know me hunny pie) but with the fact you won't have a kid without love. Still, there are options out there you haven't considered. I think you're narrow minded, though i agree with u on the point i raised. Maybe we're both narrow minded, right?
    Oh, and don't bother talking shit about TNP, he'll run rings around u hunnny pie.

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  92. I liked Tink. PP was just that. Although I’ll admit, from time to time he would make some valid arguments.

    That comment about the ones way out in left field is interesting. It’s like they’re beacons in a sense. The extremes elucidate the averages, providing useful benchmarks for the rest of us.

    The Zhawq character actually turned out to be helpful to me. For the longest time I didn’t get why anyone would falsely cling to a label like sociopath in any venue, unless it was the most accurate one to use and only for pragmatic purposes. I understood it theoretically of course, but I didn’t really get it. Then Zhaqw/Puzelle comes along. Ukan, Mis and Medusa all have their fun with her. Puzele is like that lady from the movie Catfish. There is power in living vicariously online, even as a scary sociopath. That power is of course, imaginary, but hey, while you’re online it must feel very real to broken people like Zhaqw. I guess it never occurs to them to wonder why they need a label that’s only true in online forums, and in the case of Puzelle, not even then.

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  93. So how is the whole debt collecting thing going Ukan? You were so excited about that new job and the huge amounts your new colleges were making but you suddenly stopped commenting about it.

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  94. OK, hunny pie. We'll just have to respectfully disagree to agree, hunny. And I remember now, I do think you're an idiot. Thanks sweety poo. I'm narrow minded on things I know enough about to have a strong opinion on. I'm very open to change. OK with you, hunny pie?

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  95. Fair enough. By the way ignore the narcissist graveyard anonymi. They have deleted their accounts because we found out the truth about them and embarrased them into deleting their accounts. They are so vindictive that they can't leave until somebody get vengeance for them. They want us to argue and for you to get in a conflict with me.

    This place has a pattern of attracting two types of people: Narcissists and victims. Those are the people I like to play games with the most. I like to make narcissists face the truth because for them it is tormenting. Like salt on a wound. They don't like themselves as much as they let on.

    I like to make the victims tell me their stories and then I use the details that hurt the most to torment them into knowing that it was their fault they were abused.

    What made you look up sociopathy?

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  96. you can spot the narcissists. all they do is brag.

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  97. lol @ ukan calling somebody a narcissist.

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  98. cool with me hunny pie.

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  99. TNP and notme need to make babies

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  100. Anybody eager for updates can take a look at yesterday's comment board.

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  101. Oh jeepers, zhawq. You shouldn't have.

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  102. notme

    kids are a lot of work. you have to feed them and walk them everyday~

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  103. I didn't find zhawq to be useful. I think being a female, I had a more first hand experience with those types. But I've been able to learn other things from this blog. For example, Eden has given me insightl into bizarre sexual tendancies. She's interesting to me.
    I think it helps a lot to be around people who make sense and see through the facades. Emotions are a tainting addiction. They can add truths to things that don't have them, and its hard to find people untainted with them. Its nice here because there are so many people who use emotions as a tool. Being able to relate here makes some things come to light that don't normally with normal emotional people.

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  104. This place was okay, until the narcissists came and began to character assassinate anyone who disagreed with them.

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  105. Miss Kanney do you act like this in real life, or is this just your SW persona?

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  106. Both.
    Generally, I'm the same, I just talk less in my day to day. My identity is generally unwavering. Sometimes I think I should act more, but I don't value it. I value honesty.

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  107. How can the narcissist live when everyone despises them?

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  108. cuz they are that great?

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  109. Lol. Zhawq, I succumbed to my curiosity and read your comments, and all I have to say is:
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Thank you so much for clearing that up.

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  110. if so, very high functioning

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  111. MK you are indeed stronger than I am. Even before the Zhaqw expose I couldn’t make myself read her novellas. Whenever I’d see her name at the beginning of a comment, I’d simply scroll past her comments. Lots of scrolling was involved. A shit load of scrolling. As far as I can tell, she never even bothered to give a tl;dr version.

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  112. The term high functioning here usually means narcissist.

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  113. Even before the Zhaqw expose I couldn’t make myself read her novellas.

    I did to for the longest time till I got bored.

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  114. I have an example. Yesterday in class, all the ladies were comiserating and feeling sorry for poor tired Narali. A www, the poor dear. She only got 2 hours sleep... pooor her. And they were all flambouyant about their sympathies. And they genuinely meant it, to a degree, because they did actually FEEL sympathy. Which is sweet for poor Narali, really. But i think its an exaggerated feeling of comraderie. If it breaks down to it, too, none of them care, but they have these emotions that give the appearance of it. I am happy for them, but generally prefer not to partake in the mask pass.

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  115. It's interesting Ukan, how you ignore my question on that extraordinary job you started some time ago ...

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  116. Lol. Oh, no no. Don't mistake me to think I read all of her comments. I would never. I skip them and tnp's unless the following comments indicate I should read something. Even then i usually find the quotes to be sufficient.
    I'm with you for the most part on the scrolling... and scrolling.
    And I skim the anonymi for more scrolling.

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  117. thats actually an interesting story David. You'll love it if he tells you.

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  118. Yes, that makes sense.

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  119. comes down to intention: admiration vs entertainment

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  120. I didn't see your question. Where did you leave off david because I told everything up to the end.

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  121. I can't do it either Daniel. I did a couple of times, but, I don't know, I end up hearing the Charlie Brown "Whah whah wa-wa-whaaaaah" instead of actual words. Maybe when I am really bored I will.......no, no I won't.

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  122. "From new reader Dean Esmay:

    Hi. I run a fairly popular blog..."



    That's more like it, ME. :P

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  123. ::analyzing::

    i lean towards the latter

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  124. Zhawq added 5-15 short comments in his or her defense yesterday after we all moved on to this topic... they made me laugh. He's still kicking. There is breath left in her yet.

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  125. @Ukan
    Could be because I didn't read all the comments while I wasn't around that much the last few weeks.

    I recall your last post on the subject when everybody had to take their laptop and leave the place and the manager would call you the next day.

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  126. They called me and setup a meeting for monday after the weekend. It was on a thursday that they told us to take a early lunch and pack our stuff.

    When I got there on Monday there were people from the other offices waiting the manager to come and unlock the office. This guy was talking about what happened at the main office. He said that law enforcement came bursting in with guns drawn and detained everyone. The manager argued with them and said that they couldn't legally detain them. He told me that they made them sign papers at gun point and I told him that he was exagerating. They can't do that.

    They opened the office up and I went into the meeting which took forever to get started. Meanwhile there was this awkward silence in the room. After fifteen minutes of people whispering the manager announced that corporate got raided by law enforcement and so did the other offices. Fortunatly, they didn't know about our new office they just opened where all the new hires were. They had rushed us out before it got raided.

    They say that it was because the sales pitch sounded like the person had a arrest warrant. If you remember we had to call up the debtors employers and relatives and tell them that they have been summoned to court and leave a number. They claim it was also a civil matter and that the police exagerated by going in with their guns drawn.

    Someone raised their hand and to ask a question and said, "Uh Paul-" He interrupted him and said "My name is Tim". The whole room started laughing. Apparently even management used fake names. They said that the matter would be resolved shortly. I grabbed my wife's pyrex dish and left laughing. Everyone else was in the dumps.

    I called my team captain a few times and she keeps saying that they are now going through court procedures. I'm glad my name wasn't tied to that company yet.

    It figures that I try to go legit and land smack into another criminal conspiracy.

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  127. Hello hello! I'm a little tipsy and the world is spinny. It is what it is and it is pretty fun.

    Why would you have kids with someone you don't love? Sounds like a recipe for misery to me. Kids are a massive resource drain. It's very hard to do on your own (and they totally take over your life). Raising a kid with someone you don't love sounds like a recipe for unhappiness b/c what is going to bond you together? The kid? Kids don't make living with another peson bearable. I suppose you can have a relationship without love that's built on respect and friendship, but where's the drive for kids coming from? Just a biological ticking time bomb? Wind up the clock and watch the life you knew blow to bits.

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  128. I told you right away that calling relatives, employers ... of the person in debt couldn't be legal, no matter in what country. No doubt this agressive tactic to collect debt can be very efficient, but obviously there will be countless complaints in no time.

    A debt collecting company called my parents once, I immediately filed a complaint with the government agency controling their activities, they quickly sent a letter to apologize.

    The last weeks I was in telemarketing (when I knew I was quitting the job, see my story on the forum today - 'sociopath read here') I signed up countless people to buy things they actually didn't, just to screw the company.

    Btw phoning the whole day (no matter if you're selling things or collecting debt) is extremely tiring, most people who do this get burned up really quickly.

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  129. I did fund raising for the alumni association at my university one summer. It was freaking awful. I would leave work feeling dirty. I alwyas felt like I was intruding into peoples homes and lives to pry their money from them. I was good at it, but i hated it and it kind of made me hate myself. So i quit.

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  130. Haven

    Whatcha drinking?

    It's still the afternoon for me so I am waiting to get my Friday night groove on.

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  131. If you want to see someone crawl on the floor with a head like a red balloon mix his or her drink with an antabuse pill.

    Beware they could die from a stroke or heart attack.

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  132. HI Sweets! I'm not drinking actually. Little percocet haha. Way fewer calories that way.

    It's a holiday, start the celebrating early! How've you been?

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  133. Btw phoning the whole day (no matter if you're selling things or collecting debt) is extremely tiring, most people who do this get burned up really quickly.

    Not me I love the phone. You can crank all the money you want by pretending to be whoever you want.

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  134. I'm totally different than you Ukan. THe phone gives me a ton of anxiety and since it's an uninvited intrusion into someone's home, it just seems sleezy tome.

    Now, taking money from men in person? Totally different story haha.

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  135. I thought you were supposed to drink WITH those Haven~

    I have been good, trying to wrap up some loose ends at work right now.

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  136. Most people won't take people's time and intrude on other people's lives. I like to take the opposite approach.

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  137. i have an extrordinary job i am a truck driver i get to drive alot around the country i dont want to get caught yet because im not done yet but some day i will be done im not afraid of the death row because i want my movie i want to be immortal im like acilles in the movie and they will make movie out of me

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  138. Has anyone else noticed how the forum has basically become a less moderated version of Psych Forums?

    wv (the second one: the first one was practically unreadable because it were a lot of tightly packed m's, n's, i's and u's): costs.

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  139. no cock for tommy

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  140. wheatley needs cock bad

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  141. u want lovecraft cock wheatley?

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  142. wheatley has a cock tho

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  143. ok so wheatley has a cock but wants more. he just has no balls. can we agree?

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  144. were did his balls go

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  145. i think his parents castrated him or maybe his last gf?

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  146. i dunno no, wheatley can you clear this up? is it cock and more cock, cock and no cock, or cock and no balls

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  147. i own wheatleys balls

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  148. oh yeah then whats these oo

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  149. theeze would be balls

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  150. those are pretty small mine are bigger OO

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  151. i think wheatley has a fagina

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  152. u bof iz wrong bitchez

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  153. he said fagina haha

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  154. Hello, I go both ways.

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  155. is that wheatleys fagina? or are you the queen of faginas?

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  156. Balls go in my mouth now.

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  157. pleaz tell me u arent Zwaks fagina

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  158. i can stillz smell it

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  159. I do not smell.

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  160. so what r u doing tonight sweet thang

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  161. don't get to close to eden darling cuz she will attack you like a rabid animal

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  162. fagina is good asshole is tighter but i say to ya all ya play with fire ya get burned

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  163. cocks dont likez to get burnt

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  164. That's it? This is all that happened?? What a fucking bummer!!

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  165. u noz wanna play?

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  166. if ya rabid animal like they say eden i wuld like to have ya like to bite me even if it hurts it kinda funny that way

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  167. It doesn't excite me when you want it, Tommy Lynn. It's so much better when it's a violation.

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  168. i like it violation too much better when i dont have the permission to do it

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  169. i think i hear the rape squad coming

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  170. they wont catch me this time

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  171. i thout u waz in jail tommy

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  172. im not the real tommy im just an admirer of his work ive been picking up from where he left i am a truck driver now a respectable and i love my job it gives me a lot of freedom

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  173. got any tips for the viewers?

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  174. oh yes fagina is good asshole is tighter in the clink ya get used to the ass but not many girls like it not even the paid girls ya need to disipline them

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  175. Tommy. You are literally the worst serial killer of all time. I read your bio and I'm not a fan.

    I mean Who is dumb enough to kill little girls? You NEVER kill a little girl. Not saying it's morally bad in my book, but at least murder people nobody cares about. That way you won't get caught.

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  176. You can murder ugly little girls. People won't miss her.

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  177. i disagree pat cuz kids are easy wouldnt snaring a woman be more rewarding

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  178. guess it depends on taste

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  179. I slaughtered an ugly gook kid last week. Got the bitches urine and blood all over my Hart Shaffner Marx suit. I paid $1500 for it.

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  180. blood is blood pat blood is blood

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  181. blood is too mesy for me

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  182. seems tidious to clean up

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  183. all thez planning and slicing then cleaning

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  184. no planing no cleaning i just do them and move on

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