Wednesday, May 30, 2012

The criminal element

A reader writes:

I discovered I was a sociopath only several days ago. It took me 30 years of self-introspection. Finding you site finally connected me to something. I'm not sure what it means exactly that I've finally been realized by myself, but it's calming. I am not a criminal and have rarely been involved with the law on any level. I also have no craving to break the law. I DO have a craving not to go to prison, so that's probably part of it. I do not wish to psychologically harm others, but I do. Why am I not a criminal? I fit every exact thought and description of a sociopath, yet I do not commit crimes.

I find myself wishing there was a person who could help study us without being motivated by the fact that they need to be scared of us and that sociopath = criminal.

My response:

I think that sociopaths naturally exploit what is easiest to exploit. If a sociopath was born on a farm, maybe he would become a farmer. If his parents were academics, maybe he would become a scholar. If he was born on skid row, he would probably become a criminal. He would recognize that he has a natural advantage in a particular world and try to exploit that natural advantage. I have never been interested in being a career criminal, but I also don't have the sorts of connections or advantages that would lend themselves for that type of life for me. Instead, it has been much easier for me to play the racket that is the highly intelligent, consultant type role. People want me to tell them what their problem is, and that is easy and interesting enough to engage me. There is no pull to break the law just because it happens to be the law -- I get no particular thrill from breaking a law, just from the inherent interest of the activity itself. If I do break the law, it just happens without regard to the law.

I also wish that there were more people studying so called successful sociopaths.

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    1. I remember when some newbie started this game :P - and now look! - everyone knows the exact time M.E. usually posts, and then its a race

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    2. 1st

      I remember who started it, and it wasn't a newbie

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    3. You are the SW Historian, the Watcher. Who started it?

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    4. That is information is on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know.

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    5. So you know everything that happens in this place?

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    6. The Watcher, is prob the real owner of this blog site.

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    7. Not a chance. Most people think Watcher is David, but it could be any number of losers that got their feelings hurt in here.

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    8. So, it's either david or some loser that got..hurt ? No other possible opinion right UKan ?

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  2. The opportunity creates the desire. As a sociopath once you have a desire consequences don't matter. Nothing matters really except getting what you want the easiest way you know how to. It might be through a fountain pen or it might be through a gun.

    Deep down inside most people desire to be a criminal. They cheer the underdog on TV if the writer gives them just enough humanity to appeal to people's justifications for their admiration.

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    1. So, when you have a desire, consequences doesn’t matter, and everybody desires to be a criminal. Great concept; Brilliant. Food for no-thought.

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    2. Desire trumps thought as long as you're an animal, José. Consequences are insignificant. The worst that'll happen is you'll die, and you're doing that, anyway. Have some fun, make some money.

      Everyone you aspire to be is a criminal, philosophically or legally.

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    3. What you admire, what you think is power, is simply thoughtlessness.

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    4. Who said anything about admiration?

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    5. Once a sociopath in a movie or TV series ditches his humanity( or appearance of it,) no one is interested in the show, anymore. That is what happened with the Sopranos, when Tony killed Christopher imo.

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    7. What you admire, what you think is power, is simply thoughtlessness.

      What you admire, what you think is power, is simply weakness and hesitation.

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    8. So, when you have a desire, consequences doesn’t matter, and everybody desires to be a criminal. Great concept; Brilliant. Food for no-thought.


      I said MOST people have a desire to be a criminal and SOCIOPATHS don't care about consequences. Unlike you I don't make sweeping generalizations, and as far as sociopaths not caring about consequences that is a well studied fact. Of course with someone as ignorant about psychology as you are I wouldn't expect you to know that.

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    9. UKanMay 30, 2012 10:05 AM
      Not a chance. Most people think Watcher is David, but it could be any number of losers that got their feelings hurt in here.

      Speaking of generalizations.

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    10. No that's an educated opinion, Monica. That's something that's difficult for you to form so I'm sure it's pretty easy for you to miss.

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    11. "...MOST people have a desire to be a criminal and [All] SOCIOPATHS don't care about consequences."

      I think that was her point.

      Also, if Sociopaths do not care about consequences why do they commonly go to extreme lengths to present a false self?
      Their life is based on what is beneficial for them.
      If they kill they go to jail, likely. Jail/captivity is a consequence for killing, which is not beneficial so... it's avoided. So consequences are generally avoided, by all of them.

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    12. Fun Fact: It's not likely you will go to jail if you kill somebody, it is likely you will go to jail if you kill several people. A lot less homicides than you think get solved.

      You can get away with a lot in life you just have to know everything you are doing is right no matter what people tell you. You could walk in a supermarket and fill up your basket with food and walk straight out the door and nobody will blink unless you do. You can lie about your entire career on a resume and convince people to give you any job you want even though you know little about it. People have embezzled millions from the public and turned around and convinced the judge he had good intentions with the money and the judge gave him no jail time and for community service had him teach ethics in college.

      Sociopaths make a false self subconsciously to charm people. People like to see themselves in other people. Sociopaths mimic you to pull you in and once you get to know them they slowly start showing you who they really are. It doesn't have anything to do with consequences.

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    13. Kill in GENERAL.

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  3. About this, we should look into the relation between being dysfunctional and being successful as a whole. Your typical biopic will send you the message that bold individuals break the rules and as a result become successful; why? Well, that’s the reward for their courage: Wrong message, sent to you by the sponsors and the producers, not by reality. The actual order is just the inverse: first, people become successful, then, they become dysfunctional Why? Because success leaves them in the open void, without the pressure of society, and once in the open, gravity is gone, you start floating around and blundering about like a drunk monkey if you don’t have your own map of the region, and too many successful people, apparently don’t have it.

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    1. Back that up with research and I'll give a damn. I know it's futile with you, but someone has to. And I'd like studies. I don't want a list of dictators.

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    2. Well, I'll immediately compile a thorough research on the matter; don't worry. I'll send it right away to your private adress, if you are so kind as to write it here, you'll be receiving it in two-three days.

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    3. people become successful, then, they become dysfunctional

      Oh? Like who, for instance?

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    4. Oh, dear Medusa. Please kindly read what I said to the previous sociopath; if you follow my instructions you may get all the examples you need, and more.

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    5. Burden of proof is on you, dude.

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    6. The above paragraph is a reflection; you may agree or not, you may find it inspiring or dull, but asking for proof belongs in the courtroom, not in a debate.

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    7. Looks like Jose's experience is over two of our regular's head. Yes, it is true that successful people have a good chance of becoming dysfunctional. The best example is Thomas Jefferson. Read how his life ended.

      Well, many movie stars as well, not just the brainy successful folks like social leaders. Look at Murdoch.

      Seriously what were you thinking when you needed examples, Post? Medusa lately is short on juice, how about you? You must be in your summer break already.

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    8. Agree with you, Josita. Asking for examples here is open mischief or serious distraction.

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    9. I wanted to know what he had. He claims causation, so I'd like proof. That he says that asking for proof doesn't belong in a debate just shows that he doesn't know how debate works.

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    10. Asking you to back up what you say is a distraction? Hate to tell you Jose, but in this place you will always be questioned. Your days of vomiting a bunch of fortune cookie wisdom and trite ideas with some bimbo like monica cheering you on is over.

      Murdoch is not dysfunctional. He is one of the most powerful people in the world without holding any official seat of government. His personality has always been the same. Ruthless. He was grown up like that.

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    11. Open mischief lol

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    12. From an article in Forbes on the similiar traits found early in Entrepreneurs:



      "So far there is one other big difference between those who go into business for themselves and those who don't, Shaver says. Entrepreneurs don't care what other people think about them. "They really don't care as much," Shaver says. "They're just happy to go ahead and do what they're doing."

      Statistically speaking, then, Simplot and Gates would seem to have two things in common: They have trouble imagining failure, and they don't care what you think."


      People don't just become crazy because they are successful. They were already crazy and turned that madness into an advantage that made them unique. Steve Jobs for example is a popular topic since that psychological profile came out on him, and he was the same all the way through his career he didn't change a bit he just became more powerful.

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    13. josita said...
      Looks like Jose's experience is over two of our regular's head. Yes, it is true that successful people have a good chance of becoming dysfunctional. The best example is Thomas Jefferson. Read how his life ended.

      Seriously what were you thinking when you needed examples, Post? Medusa lately is short on juice, how about you? You must be in your summer break already.


      i believe the sweeping argument you and Jose are trying to make is that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

      attacking those who have a stronger grasp of logic is almost pointless. i say almost, because there is the entertainment value to the rest of us. :)

      but seriously, pay attention to Post, Medusa and UKan. you might learn something.

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    14. A rare compliment from an unexpected source. I'm flattered.

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    15. A rare compliment from an unexpected source. I'm flattered.

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    16. that was more observation than compliment, but i'm flattered that you're flattered, UKan. :)

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  4. Kundera’s central idea in “the unbearable lightness of being” boils down to the feeling that complete freedom leads to death an so we need bonds, obligations, red lines, a weigh on our neck, to keep us near the ground, and therefore near life. I disagree with this idea, but thousands of people find it brilliant. Are they sociopaths? Not all of them I should say, but many are afraid of ending up as failure sociopaths, and they desperately look for safety belts.

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    1. Funny. I was thinking yesterday that you sound like someone who's reads a lot of Kundera. True story.

      Anyway, sounds more like you are talking about schizoid than sociopathy.

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    2. Schizophrenia? Hallucinations? I don't think there is any relation. They fear the void, the indeterminacy, not going crazy.

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    3. Lol. Schizoid=/=Schizophrenia.

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    4. everyone fears the void lol

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    5. If we are talking about "Schizoid personality disorder" that seems to have to do more with loneliness, secretiveness, retirement,spleen, etc., not exactly with too much freedom or unrestricted social behaviour, but it seems to be rare so I don't think it is very relevant to the case.

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    6. Anon 5:19, we needn't fear the void; it doesn't really exist for living beings. Life may not be what was expected, but it always takes a shape, and then another.

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    7. Great point, Jose!

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    8. The central character in “the unbearable lightness of being” is Tomas, a Czech womanizer that needs the weight of an anguished woman, Tereza, hanging from his neck to find something that looks like a life, at least from the distance. Nothing of the schizoid, here. It’s more about a relation of guilt/remorse with the woman, of a very curious kind, because he knows she suffers a lot because of his infidelities and nonetheless he continues with them. She is there to suffer, and he is there to make suffer; a perfect arrangement, the author seems to suggest; without this exchange of suffering and guilt any relation between Tomas and Tereza would be impossible.

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    9. Jose, do you believe in God ?

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    10. Funny that you ask just that. On Tomas tombstone, Tomas is the central character of the "unbearable lightness of being", they engrave the words "He wanted the kingdom of God on earth"

      Do you believe in god, alterego?

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    11. Medusa,
      The reason you thought about it yesterday is because jose had referred to Kundera's work before then. Just tok you a while to register, that's all.

      Did you stop drinking your coffee? Something. I'm serious, you're slower and less sophisticated lately. What changed?

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    12. Schizophrenia? Hallucinations? I don't think there is any relation. They fear the void, the indeterminacy, not going crazy.


      Tell us more about your knowledge of psychology Jose. It sounds like you have a lot to teach people here~

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    13. Jose, that was a fake alterego. The little group that attacked you fancies itself to be the sociopathic authority here, and you're fresh meat. Trying to have a meaningful conversation will be impossible from this point forward. Even if you said something intelligent or worthwhile, they will seek to rip you apart, because they have determined that you are a *narcissist*, and thus worthy only of contempt.

      Attempting to reason with any of them is utterly futile at this point, because they are interested only in twisting your statements so as to undermine and discredit you. That is their game, and primary source of "thrills" here.

      Ukan defines sociopathy for everyone here, and he and his band of merry men will seek to rip into anyone he perceives as different from him. Anyone who thinks he is a "real sociopath"- or who wishes to be identified as one- should unquestioningly follow Ukan's lead, and mirror everything he says. He is a man on a mission, you see, to root out all posers and narcissists. This is hilarious, because he is, in fact, a raging, textbook, malignant narcissist. Many psychopaths are, so it is a stupid point of contention anyway. Although he is intelligent and articulate, he is very limited by his black-and-white thinking, and he is frequently wrong.

      You do appear to spout many platitudes, Jose. If you can set aside your ego and allow the attacks to fortify your approach, you will learn many useful debating strategies, and a few things about yourself.

      Oh, and Ukan, the way in which you disparage Monica is revolting. You sick, abusive fucker! You're worth nothing more than your stash and a few quid, to most people, yet you think you are endowed with some sort of "gift of sociopathy". Your power is just a projection of your inflated ego. Selling smack to strung out junkies doesn't make you powerful, it makes you a pathetic, parasitic leech. Go shove some more of that junk up your ass, James Mannion. Who knows? Maybe the bag will break this time. :)

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    14. What you're talking about is not the yoke of freedom, but codependency... obviously kunders was projecting as much as you do, and a lot of people are codependent so for many it rings true as the safest way to exist without facing freedom, which is terrifying because then you are responsible for all you do, including whatever pain you may cause yourself.

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    15. If we are talking about "Schizoid personality disorder" that seems to have to do more with loneliness, secretiveness, retirement,spleen, etc., not exactly with too much freedom or unrestricted so

      Completely and utterly incorrect. Don't pretend you know about something that you don't. You didn't even know what schizoid was until you clearly googled it and got some serious misinformation, either that or interpreted the information you found in a completely, utterly incorrect way.

      Blah blah blah blah...Nothing of the schizoid, here.

      I wasn't referring to the book, I was referring to what you were saying.

      The reason you thought about it yesterday is because jose had referred to Kundera's work before then.

      Incorrect, Monica. I don't read the comments here everyday and never saw that.

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    16. I just saw this, Alter. I appreciate you saying that to Ukan. I wanted to tell you something when you were in the Forum but I couldn't get my e mail to work.

      Well, I can tell you another time, as the time to say it seems to have passed. Thanks again for what you said to UKan. I ignore unless he crosses the line, of which I am sure he knows. Then, all bets are off. However, you are 100% right in what you said and I appreciate, a great deal, that you said it. x

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    17. I guess Alterego's comment didn't make it past the spam filter.

      The only thing I agree with is this:

      You do appear to spout many platitudes, Jose. If you can set aside your ego and allow the attacks to fortify your approach, you will learn many useful debating strategies, and a few things about yourself.

      Otherwise, I am amused that Alterego felt the need to come out of the woodwork because she was name-checked; and she saw an opportunity to hop on the bandwagon and have ready-made support. She's trying to be the leader now, to show Jose the way and the 'real' truth.

      And James Mannion? That whole thing was me throwing around red-herrings and paranoia. Lol.

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    18. NO Way james and ciera mannion
      Mrs confirmed it. It is they but if they don't act like total jack asses, no one will bother them.

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    19. Nope. That was all me.

      Missus was just humoring you.

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    20. I like how the whole posse ran with it, though. I barely had to do anything but post some links.

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    21. UKan should not be talking to Monica about being molested by her mother in such a demeaning way.

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    22. NOPE it is they. Anyway, I hope that shit doesn't start up again.

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    23. Perhaps he shouldn't, according to whoever is the judge of that, but he will regardless.

      I don't think he deals with 'shoulds'. You 'should' know that by now.

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    24. Monica, I'm telling you... it's not. The fact you want to continue to believe it so much, despite what I'm telling you... well, you figure out what that's about.

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    25. Fuck anyone who deals with certain subjects. It is on him.

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    26. Anyway, lets drop it. I don't want to revisit it.

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    27. Someone actually believed that was the real UKan and Mk? hahaha! Oh man.

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    28. Drop it. It was a shit time that no one wants to revisit.

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    29. Then why was it brought up in the first place?

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    30. Doesn't matter why or who or where. Let's keep it ancient history

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  5. Fascinating. I can understand with his angst about not wanting to be lumped with criminal sociopaths. However, he makes sense that the system would lump him in such a way.That goes back to Mee's wanting to get a diagnosis and people warning him to be careful as he may be labeled and later harmed by that label.

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    1. And not a single shrink was visited.
      I think that the fact that one hasn't done any crimes, does not mean, that s/he won't do them later. That fits for everyone.
      Maybe criminal behaviour should be removed from the list (even people here seems to be good).

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    2. More like people here should be removed from the list.

      I find it funny when people change the defintion of a sociopath to fit them, while at the same time espousing fears of psychologists bashing down their doors and putting them into a straight jacket for being one. It's arrogant to take a word psychology made up and change it to fit yourself with no knowledge of psychology at all. It's just plain persecution complex and self importance that makes people think that anyone is worried about them as this law abiding citizen and full time book worm.

      It seems like every couple of months in this place we get some new loser trying to claim that they are the sole good sociopath. The "High Functioning Sociopath". The uber logical guru who has all the answers. The reality is much different. Read one book on psychopaths and you will see the difference between what people try to portray here and reality.

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    3. I read a few books and realised that they only did something wrong for a reason. So you just don't do bad things if you don't have a reason for them and you can think that you are high functioning then. Also you can't fit anything completely.
      So you are trying to tell that most people here are not socios?
      p.s. but seriously not all socios are murders :/

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    4. Good/bad/evil... isn't a "thing" about which there is even a question of existence, or of any "origin." It's a subjective human construct -- things a group of humans don't like, they call "evil." What they call "evil" varies from group to group, time to time, and place to place.

      Stop pretending it's some absolute "thing"

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    5. I didn't say anything about murder.

      What books have you read on psychopathy that told you that psychopaths only do things for a reason?

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    6. Well acording to psychology psychos/socios are commiting crimes (it is a good thing, it is a bad thing, whatever), while some of them doesn't. So does that make them special or simply not having the disorder?
      P.s. UKan, do you have an ASPD, why do you think so, how functioning are you and most importantly - do I really annoy you, how badly? :(

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    7. Now to your 11:00. I read some psychology books, some fiction and a shitload of various articles about disorders. Last book I read would be one written by Jon Ronson.
      Then someone says crime, I always think about murder for some reason, maybe because I don't consider other things as a crime, don't know, don't care.
      I think that they do things for a reason, because most of them were able to explain why they did it (actually I am always able to explain myself too, even if others think that I am wrong)

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    8. No it's more of opportunity. I agree with M.E. on that opinion. It's has nothing to do with being special and it's been studied that there are sociopaths in businesses and some have executive positions.

      Snakes with Suits:


      "In our original research working with almost 200 high-potential executives, we found about 3.5 percent who fit the profile of the psychopath as measured on the PCL: SV. While this may not seem like a large percentage, it is considerably higher than that found in the general population (1 percent), and perhaps more than most businesses would want to have on their payrolls, especially as these individuals were on the road to becoming leaders in their organizations. Of these individuals, we found that all had the traits of the manipulative psychopath: superficial, grandiose, deceitful, impulsive, irresponsible, not taking responsibility for their own actions, and lacking goals, remorse, and empathy."


      Think about the person that those traits combined makes. Imagine what that person is like. That is a psychopath. The thing is though that what people are describing here, this sociopath with only the good traits they can justify is just a TV show not based in reality. They are spinning this character you can cheer on. The fact is even in business psychopaths are no different than their criminal counterparts when it all comes down to it and many end up doing criminal activity in the workplace regardless as you can see by the consistency in the list of traits among those people identified as executive psychopaths.

      I think people coming in here with very few actual psychopathic traits and saying that they are in full control of themselves and are some uberlogical cyborg that's perfection defined takes away from the subject. Psychopaths are not perfect they are far from it. It needs to be said. While we have certain attributes that makes us extremely charming and convincing, as well as high ambition there can't be this blind eye towards the traits and behaviour that cause us to self destruct on a constant basis. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses.

      As far as whether I am low or high functioning I don't think the term applies. Psychopaths are dysfunctional by definition. I make a lot of money. So does M.E. However, I'm a career criminal and M.E. can't hold a job for more than two years.

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    9. Psychopaths always have a ready made explanation for their behaviour, but personally speaking I can tell you that more than half of my justifications I've given to people are complete bollocks. I'll do something destructive just for fun or I'll lie to people just to see if I can get away with it. If I get caught I will give people an explanation that they will almost always buy because people need a reason that makes sense. I'll give them a reason that they can sympathize with. In reality they can't fathom that a person exists that just walks around doing shite just for the thrills.

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    10. Psychopaths murder because they want to murder. When you are impulsive very little passes through the phase of judgement of consequences. That's why when so called psychopaths come on saying that they have urges to kill but they won't because they don't want to go to prison I call bollocks. They are just being dramatic. In reality psychopaths who don't kill have little desire to and that is the reason they are not out murdering people. Any psychopath with an obsession on murder will end up a murderer. When you have a personality defined by impulsiveness obsessing on anything will end up something they not only do, but they will do often.

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    11. Thanks for input :)
      I misunderstood the "high funcion". I thought that high ones are the ones who doesn't commit crimes, while others are low functioning.
      I'm somewhere between you and M.E. I am able to find something new in old things to fight boredom and the need to quit, if I think that I should continue doing them.
      Ok, I have to re-read everything here, since today provided many useful information, and I have other things to do, so bye for now.

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    12. Heh, I don't understand what's so dramatic about killing. It seems to be an intetesting activity until the victim dies. Well I don't feel the need to kill and never killed anyone but if I would be able to do it without getting in trouble, I would do it, because it might be the new entertaining activity I been looking for. That's all, nothing dramatic here, or am I wrong?

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    13. Why is my opinion important to you?

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    14. It's a shame that you can't figure it out yourself.
      Well my previous question was ment for anyone who could say anything about it, because, as I mentioned before, I don't see any drama there (it belongs to soap operas).
      Honestly, I found you very informative, because you write a lot and don't mind to explain things. And I don't care about your opinion, I value your experience.

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    15. P.s. other regulars are also in my "people to talk to" list, but I have to wait for an opportunity.

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    16. No need to get defensive. I ask questions I know the answer to a lot. I like to hear the answers people give not just rely on my own perceptions. I wasn't disappointed either because that last line the about opinions and experience is gold.

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  6. In the few last post in this blog supposed sociopaths insist on self awareness, recommend close surveillance, hard study, insights in sociopathy and so on. I’d say they are openly asking to be controlled. Something like: “please help us be nice and useful to society”, which is all very well to my mind, but poses some questions. Sociopaths don’t worry about consequences so Why the fear? They are supposed to be cold and controlled so they shouldn’t need any scientific support, any feed back from society: still the contrary could be inferred from their statements. You would say they are afraid of themselves. Maybe they are not so cool, so collected as we suppose. Maybe they are even harder to control than empaths. Judging from the evidence available this hypothesis seems very likely, but I don’t want to jump to conclusions and would openly ask what for me is the basic question: is the sociopath afraid of himself because he has no feelings or is he frightened because he cannot control them? If the fear comes from the absence of feeling I would dare to reassure the sociopath from here. No danger comes from nothing, if you feel like a stone, behave like a stone, play safe, don’t go about shouting: I’ve got no feelings, help, help! That behaviour is useless and people will laugh at you. Enjoy your perfect calm, your emotional detachment, and never support, much less economically, any study on sociopathy, they are not likely to help you in the least.

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    1. I am not a psychopath. But they study me anyway.

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    2. excellent observations, Jose.

      The only time you gave me the 'question' was when in an earlier post you said to the effect

      '... you've proven that I am right,' referring to someone else's claim.

      No one got back to you with

      'do you have a need to be right' on that one.

      I questioned it internally but decided to let it go. Not important. But, curious, what you'll say on that one.

      I'm working on that 'need to be right' as opposed to 'need to be kind' to people, and I will be honest that I fall short when the other party meets ignorance/stupidity with rudeness/cruelty. I want to establish a quick 'stop it' procedure that is effective and non-emotional (particularly on my end). I don't want to feel extreme emotions in either end, call me a recovering 'empath and a non-mal-narcissist.'

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    3. "Josita"
      You guys never quit.

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    4. "Josita" has to be Medusa. I bet you anything, Medusa.

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    5. Extreme emotions are no good business, Josita. It is not fully clear to me what you mean by me giving you the "question", though.

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    6. :) The question was 'did he just hit the bullshit point?" Sorry, but in this place everyone eventually shows their bullshit point.

      You are pretty solid. I'm learning from your not falling for petty attacks, big time.

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    7. Sociopaths cool and collected. Where is that on the list of traits? Last I checked it was extreme impulsiveness with lack of any realistic long term goals.

      As far as psychopathy being studied or not nobody here can control that. Those studies have led people like you here and this site being created. Your disdain for psychology is because you're ignorant of it. You have half cocked ideas. Hell, a second ago you thought schizoid was schizophrenia. You googled it and came back. The idea they will be rounding up psychopaths is just ridiculous. Even psychopaths in prison have a higher chance of being paroled than anyone else. That's a fact.

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    8. Keep throwing bullshit, UKan. He is not one of your past loser 'narcissists' that you can crack.

      So what he did not know the definition of schizoid, big shit, as if you are the 'well-spoken' exemplary. As I recall we had a special allowance for your spelling mistakes because you are the designated low-functioning sociopath on SW.

      DOn't overreach. Keep barking, though, that's what you are needed for here. SHort tempered doggy pack leader.

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    9. You have been saying that for over a year to every narcissist preacher that comes in here. Everyone of these goody goodies you prop up I will knock down just for you. I love to see you disappointed.

      Hey monica, quick question: Did your mum fingerbang you or lick your cunt?

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    10. I have a fistula from my anus to my mouth.

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    11. UKan Don't think all those fake UKans are me because they are not.

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    12. It was me. He hurt my feeling.

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    13. Alter Ego
      Is that you? If it is, I tried to go on the Forum and talk to you, but I couldn't register.

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  7. I am not an animal.
    I am a psychopath.

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  8. How are you TNP?

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    1. I am fine anon, how are you? Why would you ask?

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    2. Just want to say that someone is thinking about you.

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    3. The real one will be happy when he sees this. Did your interest develop after he got his cancer? People treat cancer patients kindly, even the proclaimed sociopaths. Pretty interesting. Uniting against gods?

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    4. TNP is a good dude.

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  9. Speaking about successful sociopaths. I have this example taken from trutv.com of a nurse named Amy Archer-Gilligan, from Connecticut. For 14 years she was a successful professional; she had a nursing home, good business, made a profit, her boss, Dr. Howard King, praised her and her patients worshiped her image. Then downfall came: it was found out that she killed her elderly patients to enhance the margin of benefit. She was even more efficient than supposed, really, but my problem is: shall we consider hers a success story or a failure? It’s important, because we should establish our standards . Is a brilliant 14 years career enough to consider someone successful or you need it to last longer?

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    1. Successful psychos are the ones, which can't be recognized. She was successful for quite a long time, I think.

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    2. And the ones smart enough to not to get in trouble.

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    3. I mean, Sister Amy was caught after 14 years. It’s quite likely many other “sisters” were/are never caught. In fact some cases are documented in the same article on trutv.com where crimes, when discovered, were never solved. Maybe the rate of success in this particular sort of career makes it a good choice for sociopaths who want to thrive in life… it could even be a better choice than the stock market.

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    4. I'll second that.

      It's empirically proven, for example, that there is a disproportionately high percentage of pedophile graduates coming from priest training schools, whatever they are called.

      A successful surgeon volunteered in a documentary that it was the blood lust that got him into brain surgery. He was on a high choosing the right drills (from a place like Home Depot, lol) and then taking them to an underdeveloped country to get his pick on who to operate on. Imagine getting paid or treated like a hero when you love opening up skulls. He particularly enjoys the ones where he keeps the patient awake with the excuse of speaking to him during the surgery so that he does not paralyze the patient. What a gratification that would have been for a psychopath. Day after day.

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    5. Actually, blood lust does make for jobs such as surgeon. They just channel it well.

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    6. Of course a little blood lust is a good help in a surgeon, but killing to get money sure is not my idea of success. Not because of moral reasons, but because it's miserable; I mean, killing is a low trade, really, one of the lowest, even lower than pot boy in a whore house.

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    7. That is a moral reason Jose. You are trying to justify your morality, which is humorous to say the least.

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  10. UKanMay 29, 2012 8:23 AM

    Begging your mother for money is pathetic. Go out there and steal from other people. Have some ambition.

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  11. Ukan took a dump on monica's face in the forum and she licked her lips because it tasted like the chocolate scones the Mrs baked in his colon.

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    1. She stopped doing that months ago. She perforated it and I had to go to hospital. She was laughing in the ER. I have withheld sex from her. That's why she's back here flirting with Monica.

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    2. I am withholding sex from her too, thank you. I'm holding out for you, you sweet thing.

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    3. I'm putting you on my calendar, my pet.

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    4. I don't recommend anything anal for a while, Ukan

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    5. Dr F You are a psychologist not a medical doctor.

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    6. My wife does make good scones, I will give her that.

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    7. I moonlight illegally. Criminal mindset and all, etc, etc..

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    8. Let's have a bake -off!

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    9. eat a scone from my ass

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  12. End of story or shall we go on?

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  13. MonicaMay 29, 2012 5:58 AM
    LOL Jose Thank Goodness the turkeys don't bother you


    josé javierMay 29, 2012 6:00 AM
    Not on thanks giving, at least.

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    1. ha ha ha what a dialogue...

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  14. UKan had a surgeon with both blood lust and love of baked goods.

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  15. Sociopathic HeroMay 30, 2012 at 9:43 AM

    So I was out at the mall last night, and got in the middle of a shoplifting arrest by a plain clothed officer. The female officer was smaller and having a hard time handling the shoplifter. I saw my chance to knock someone out legally, and did just that. I wanted for the cop to mouth the words.. "Help me" I landed a ridge hand to the side of his neck, and followed up with a punch to the mouth. Pure enjoyment.

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  16. Medusa has lost all control and is projecting unto Jose like crazy. She says he is an attention whore, and just look at how many times she begged for an answer from him yesterday. Amazing. See one below.

    Medusa, you need a translation of what Jose has been saying to you without so much in words, here I'll do it for you:
    SHUT THE FUCK UP, BITCH. WHEN WILL YOU GET THAT I DON'T ANSWER YOR QUESTIONS, EVEN THOSE YOU SUFFER TO MAKE IT SHORT IN FORM OF YES OR NO QUESTIONS.

    MɵᴅʊsaMay 29, 2012 9:19 AM
    And I take it that you believe that you do?

    Yes or no?

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    1. I think Medusa like most is very patient with Jose- He reminds me of when Christians used to torture people and burn them at the stake. That strange brew of high-minded morality and foaming at the mouth. Only in a passive kind of way

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    2. If you forget about what he reminds you and instead listen without bias you may realize that maybe he pushes you to think as opposed to preaching you. SCARED of your own shadow lately?

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    3. When you swallow what people say on here without question you are a sucker.

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    4. Medusa's rational. She questions everyone. In comparison to me she is very fair. Crying about her questioning people's ideas is just ridiculous. Nobody is above question and the fact that you swallow every narcissists view of the world and themselves, monica, shows why you have remained a victim your entire life.

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    5. You have truth there, UKan. Thank you.

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    6. You can't do or know anything without people asking you questions about it. You can't avoid questions and say you know. That's like passing grade school'without any tests. You are expected to answer questions at any time you make claims. Otherwise your claims have no legitimacy.

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    7. What are you talking about, Kany?

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    8. For such philosophers such as you, Monica, and Jose... I'm not sure why you would have a problem with people who question what you say. It's a way to see all the way around an issue, rather than from just one angle. I desire a more accurate image of the truth and the world rather than just be satisfied with some mirage in a desert. You have to walk up to the mirage to see if it is real, see if it disappears as you approach it, see if the water water is actually wet.

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    9. Medusa I don't understand her question. What is her question, to me, if she has one? I am not being defensive. I don't understand what she is saying/asking, if anything. Maybe, she is just making a random comment.

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    10. Who are you talking about? What question?

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    11. My agreeing with Ukan and appreciating what he said was because I have, indeed, given up my inner locus of control, as it is called in Psychology. It just refers to the mechanism whereby you check your own gut as your major reference point, rather than take outside opinions, either from an individual, group or society.

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    12. Forget the question, Medusa lol

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    13. She is referring to the anon comment at the top of this particular thread. That anon is saying "never question anyone or anything" basically.

      I'm not sure why you are talking about gut feelings right now? Are you saying you agree with a lot of what Jose says in your 'gut' instead of listening to other's questioning of him, to other's trying to fill in or take note of the holes of what he is saying?

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    14. Sorry Medusa
      I didn't read the top part. I was just responding to Ukan saying I was a victim because I did not have my own world view.

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    15. I think you do have your own world view.

      A lot of what Jose says, at least superficially, appears as if it matches your own world views, which makes it look like you are listening to him blindly... but I think perhaps it's you listening to yourself, although still a bit blindly. Having someone outside yourself support your own views, though, might just keep you from diving further into yourself and what you really think, if you do not keep a little healthy doubt in your mind... perhaps you think to yourself, "well since I'm not the only one who thinks this way, perhaps I don't really need to question it."

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    16. And to whoever the anon at the top is (probably Tik)...

      SHUT THE FUCK UP, BITCH. WHEN WILL YOU GET THAT I DON'T ANSWER YOR QUESTIONS, EVEN THOSE YOU SUFFER TO MAKE IT SHORT IN FORM OF YES OR NO QUESTIONS.

      Isn't that exactly the type of attitude that you hate about UKan?

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    17. Jose resonates with certain things I believe and his saying them, helps me to trust myself. However, I disagree with certain POVs that Jose holds. Trusting myself is my single hardest struggle.

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    18. Okay, that sounds fair enough.

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    19. No that wasn't me. I don't read this blog enough to turn anything around on anyone one here. You have someone else to deal with Medusa.

      It's exactly the reason I stay away, it just doesn't relate to real life at least mine.

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  17. Hello, dear sociopaths, could you help me? I know that one guy used to throw empty bottles through window onto the cars outside when he was a kid. I heard that he has some kind of disorder. He has a good job now. So what could be wrong with Tim?

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    1. "So what could be wrong with Tim?"

      Drinking problem

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    2. poor impulse control combined with drinking problem and illegal substances

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    3. Kid with a drinking problem, lol

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  18. On topic: People don't study personality disorders to find out about people who are following the rules, not harming themselves, and being good people.


    From the Mayo Clinic:
    In general, having a personality disorder means you have a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking and behaving no matter what the situation. This leads to significant problems and limitations in relationships, social encounters, work and school.


    If you are beyond that, then you don't have a personality disorder and you have nothing to worry about. Most people have thoughts of mischief that is different from people who consistently act on those impulses.

    Psychology has studied successful people. Look up Alexander Zelaznick.

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  19. "a rigid and unhealthy pattern of thinking and behaving no matter what the situation."

    Sounds like healthy needs to be defined. If FOX news is defining healthy, or any orthodox religion- might be different than if someone like Iggy Pop does. I'll go with Iggy

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  20. Fortunately Murdoch's media empire and a drug addicted rock star are not our only choices when it comes to defining mental health

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    1. No, we trust what you say. What was it you said?

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    2. Your my type of follower.

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    3. Must have reminded you of your wife.

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    4. No, you reminded me of my dog, Cleah.

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  21. "So what could be wrong with Tim?"

    Bored shitless.

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  22. Sigh... I'm such a shit disturber.

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