Saturday, July 21, 2012

Artistic imperatives

The other day I took a tour of a prison.  I was interested in the security measures and the very idea of having an institution like a prison, the thought of which seems common enough but the reality of which we rarely get to experience firsthand.  I was even more interested in hearing about some of the more famous inmates and what got them there.

Later that afternoon I was visiting a modern art museum, the type that has a few key pieces to bring in the gray haired and the tourists but prides itself on also presenting a lot of fresh talent.  The diversity of the types and style reminded me that anything can be looked at from an aesthetic perspective.  The context of seeing these works in the museum made me look at the art, even the unfamiliar and nonuser friendly art, in a way that invited me to appreciate the small aesthetic choices that the artist made, whereas the context of the prison invited me to distance myself from the actions that led the prisoners to their sojourn there.

I had this odd epiphany in the museum that, particularly for some of the more gruesome and "senseless" crimes (like serial killing) that may seem to unfathomable to most people, there is a certain aestheticism and set of choices that is not unlike the art.  It reminded me of some of my own fantasies about slitting someone's throat, and how if I were a killer, I could imagine myself really enjoying exploring the nuances of this particular way to kill, in all of its infinite variations.  I could see how someone could devote their entire life to this exploration and feel quite fulfilled -- how some might actually feel compelled, either by the beauty of the art form or by the need for self expression in a particular way, to continually seek out this cathartic release of truth in concrete form.

Is the imperative that a killer often feels to kill in a particular way and a particular type of person any different than the artists' need to express himself in a very different, but similarly particular way?

I had never thought of killing that way, but now that I have it makes complete sense that serial killers will get apprentices, or imitators, or plain fans, just like artists.  It suddenly became clear to me that many people kill not because it is bad or good, deviant or heroic, but just because it is beautiful.  Even the way that formal justice has historically been enacted in the form of torture and capital punishment suggests a certain flair for creativity and desire for expression.  It's a shame that formal justice has become more sterile recently, for the punishers and the punished, at least in western society.  It is becoming a lost art.  

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  1. 1st again yeahhh!

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  2. Dash it all. Who let her win?!

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    1. My heart's made of parts of all that surround me.
      And that's why the devil just can't get around me.
      Every single night's alright.
      With my brain,

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    1. that's what she screamed last night ;)

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  4. Badass socio post today.

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  5. "First"? When did this place become Youtube? :P

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    1. Well, we took a quick field trip. :-) welcome back, wheat!

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    2. Nice to... uhhmm... 'see' you too! Kinda missed this place. Didn't mean to take a break this long. but then a whole lot of things happenend, and I just stopped 'needing' SW. I still don't, so me being back probably means that SociopathWolrd should get its own rehab centre. :P

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    3. Lol. Raven should return soon with a similar claim. :-)

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  6. M.E. I have fantasies about slitting throats too, and the thrill they provide me is primarily sexual. Something about the ferocity of the act is viscerally intimate.

    I have considered the act of killing and mutilation from an aesthetic perspective. I read horror novels and relish the murder scenes in the same way that some people take pleasure in pornography or erotica, and I indulge my predilections through sublimation in the bedroom, and when pleasuring myself. I wonder if that makes me sick.

    I have never openly admitted this to anyone.

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    1. Oh please! We've heard this one from you a million times. Don't think adding details makes it a novel confession.

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    2. Well... What I meant is that I have never spoken it aloud to anyone that matters. And I have never shared those details before. It made me a bit uncomfortable to do so, yet it was cathartic all the same. I like to take things one step at a time.

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    3. Do you think God knows that you touch yourself while thinking about such things, Alter?

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    4. I'm sure he does. I have thought about it before, and I have even asked him to take it from me. Yet I still don't feel guilty, even though I know I should.

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    6. I'm afraid I couldn't point you to a thread at the moment; I discussed that subject in the comments section long ago. Maybe I will search for my comments on the topic a bit later on, once I've had a bit of sleep.

      To make a long story short, I grew up in a household with an enabling mother and a psychopathic father who physically and verbally abused me.

      As a young teen, my mom made me see a shrink because it was clear I had "issues" (aggression, lying, irresponsibility, violence, etc.) It didn't help, because I lied to her about everything. My conduct just got worse.

      A few years later, I had a very powerful, personal spiritual experience that changed the course of my life and influenced the decisions I made from that point forward.

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    8. Yep. I'll link you to what I wrote later. Bonne nuit.

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    9. I thought if you ask your god to deliver you from such things he is supposed to hear you. Why do you think he hasn't done so, Alter?

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    10. There is nothing in the Bible against masturbation

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    11. Ellicit
      When a person gets saved, one thing changes and one thing only--the person's spirit. Man is made up of spirit, soul(personality) and body. Hence, one's personality and body remain the same. The Christian tries to study the Bible and line up with it, in his soul and body( which is called "the flesh") However, he never, ever will.
      So, you are in error expecting Alterego(or any Christian) to be perfect. There was one perfect man--Jesus. You may want to find Him ~~~

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    12. @ Bible anon

      OK. I don't know very much about Christianity and its trappings. I was assuming that her masturbatory fantasies, and her indulging them, are a reflection of her state of spiritual purity. Or some such nonsense. It sounds as if she is troubled by her thoughts if she has asked to be delivered from them.

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    13. I think its hot that Alter is asking God to take away his secret fantasies. Its sweet.

      I have found that the more shame I give something, the more power it has over me.

      Maybe try accepting these thoughts? Knowing that everybody has them to some degree and that its healthy to process them, vs reject them.

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    14. I wish I could be less shamed, as I am shamed for every friggin thought I have

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    15. Well, yeah. Good point. If she finds the thoughts shameful that will just make them hotter and reinforce them further.

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    16. @ Ellicit
      Christianity is so misunderstood. At it's roots, it is the love of a father for his children. It is all about love, but we humans make it all about rules.

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    17. Monica, your malignant narcissist delusions prevent you from feeling the healthy shame that would make you a less evil person-of-the-lie. You cannot admit your wrongdoing ever. That is the very definition of such a person.

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    18. Ellicit
      I really want to talk to you but I am not going to scour the Forum for your comment. I would like to discuss some things with you. Are you cool with that?

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    20. Gungy
      Christianity was TAKEN as a tool to control the masses. That was not it's intent, ever. Billy Graham says 80% of the Christians in churches are not even saved. A true Christian is quite rare.

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    21. @ The Gungy- agreed. Organized religion is vague and dangerous and only as sane as you make it. I can't decided if it does more harm than good.

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    22. What is sweet is not message Alter is following. But the fact that she wants to try to purify herself. Its endearing.

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    23. @Anon 5:06

      I don't think Alter is trying to reject them. Not anymore at least. She did, and even asked her God to take them away. And when that didn't happen, she took that as a sign she should just accept them. Which is a pretty neat bit of rationalization, if you ask me.

      Of course; taken to its extremes, it means that if something happens, it only happened because God didn't prevent it. Which means that everything that happens happens because He wants it to happen. Which means he's evil (by most human standards, at least).

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    24. @ Wheatly

      Thats good insight. I don't know how she processes but if that is a rationalization, more power to her.

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    25. I guess when it comes to religion and theology, I love debating it, but I always come up with the same answer, 'I don't know'
      I don't think that I possess the ability to know such grand scale answers. People are more on a level that I can *try* comprehending. Human beings are my religion. :)

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    26. Well, I do try to reject them, sometimes. The problem is that I do not feel any shame or guilt associated with these thoughts, even though I possess a cognitive understanding that they are wrong. So my mind is not producing any powerful emotional deterrents to restrain them. I wish I didn't have them in the first place, but I can't really help what gets me off.

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    27. Religion is a piece of art masses of humans created. Understand people, understand religion. It changes as we need it to, too. As our sciences progress, religion shifts and bends.

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    28. Narcissists are too vain to feel shame. They believe in their righteousness so much, they can't see anything they think as being wrong because other people thinking it is so has no significance to them. They only see what other people think when it has to do with how great they are.

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    29. Do you think you are a righteous person, Kany?

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    30. I don't think you are.
      Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, though, right.
      I don't think people can be righteous, ego. I think people will always be people.

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    31. I'm far from righteous, poptart, but the fact that you deflected my question underscores your vanity.

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    32. I didn't deflect. I answered you clearly... with vanity.

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    1. The science of a project is a function. The art is an expression.

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  8. Absolutely. Good morning Gungy.

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  9. Dr M. Scott PeckJuly 21, 2012 at 5:55 AM

    " The Narcissist: Refusal to acknowledge sin

    It is necessary that we first draw the distinction between evil and ordinary sin. It is not their sins per se that characterize evil people...The central defect of the evil is not the sin but the refusal to acknowledge it"

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    2. It is not subjective to the culture. Humans are humans

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    3. Dr M. Scott PeckJuly 21, 2012 at 6:31 AM

      " If evil people cannot be defined by the illegality of their deeds or the magnitude of their sins, then how are we to define them? The answer is by the consistency of their sins. While usually subtle, their destructiveness is remarkably consistent. This is because those who have "crossed over the line" are characterized by their absolute refusal to tolerate the sense of their own sinfulness."

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    4. The evil person will not face himself. That is what Peck means and the whole point of the book. If someone is facing himself, he is not evil. Duh?

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    6. Gungy, I think the defining point is that it isn't the act/sin/transgression, but more the refusal to face oneself that makes for evil.

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    7. Monica, you are merely enacting a charade of facing yourself whilst building up your fantasy world where you are the pious victim in all. If ever I've encountered a true person-of-the-lie it is you.

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    8. And so what if you 'face' yourself and then accept it all and yet continue to sin, because you like it that way?

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    9. Why, Ellicit? In words, not just "you are a stupid idiot".
      If you have a POV, then you should be able to express it in a rational way, not revert to name calling.

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    11. It is evil, Grungy, because then you can do evil things and feel nothing :(

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    12. And so what if you 'face' yourself and then accept it all and yet continue to sin, because you like it that way?

      I don't know, Medusa. I think Peck's whole point is about that issue of the gaslighting result of denying the abused their experience and reality, for the sake of one's own. Whether it isn't as bad to just not care, or Peck just couldn't conceive of it, is a good question.

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    13. Elicit
      Is all about denial of reality. Medusa's point is not germane to the issue of Pecks book imho

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    14. What's the point in determining the definition of 'evil' if it only relates to one book?

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    15. Medusa
      If you want to talk in a logical way, I am game, but if you are going to try to make the discussion into a convoluted bad of worms, I am going to ignore you.

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    17. Logical, in my mind, is not taking a definition from one book and regarding it as the whole Truth.

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    18. Scott Peck is a Christian, so comes from that place as the Bible being the Owners Manual for man. So, for me, personally, I can only talk from this Biblical perspective.
      If the discussion goes beyond that, I have no desire to go there, as I don't believe in other philosophies.

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    19. That's rather close-minded of you.

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    20. LOL Yes, it is.

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    21. In the world not of it, Monica?

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    22. Monica, the other day I was forced to look at myself and tell someone, someone i want to make believe i am easy going, that I was angry.

      I choked on my words. I was not aware it was so difficult to admit to being angry.

      i looked up avoidant personality and i do that thing which comes from a lifetime of being criticized for being me.

      I am more aware of my false self and I want to thank you for making me look more at it. xo.

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    23. I feel close to a person after I say I am angry . They feel close to me. I will find intimacy.

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    24. So according to this peck, do you have to acknowledge all of your sins, or can you just say you've got them and do fuck all about it and call yourself good? Or in the case that you have to know your sins to be truly guilty and absolved for them, are there many evil people masquerading around as good because they acknowledge their small sins and not their underlying characteristic ones.

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    25. "There is no one righteous, not even one." (Romans 3:10)

      No one may call himself good, Kany, because everyone has been touched by evil. It is just a matter of degree. I believe we are all equally loved in God's eyes, regardless of the magnitude of our sin. That is why God sent his Son.

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    26. Shut the fuck up, ego. I'm asking Monica questions, not you. It isn't facts I'm seeking, you fucking zealot. Its opinions and if I want yours, which won't happen, I'll say your name. I know how to get you out of the woodwork. I can make any subtle jab at your ego I want to and watch you wriggle. Go fuck your husband or something daring along those lines.

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    27. My goodness... you really are a frustrated individual aren't you Kany?

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    28. Kany, you make it evident by your repeated, unprovoked, vitriol laden attacks that my jabs have wounded your fragile ego far more than any trite nonsense you spew could ever harm mine.

      Is your sensitivity related to PMS? Another negative pregnancy test? I wonder what it is about me that provokes such conspicuous insecurity in you.

      Anyway, here's more unsolicited commentary from me: your projections constitute an embarrassingly obvious extension of your own personal weaknesses, and everyone here knows it. :)

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    29. Yes, ego. YOU make me insecure. That's why comments get progressively more aggressive the longer you linger. It has nothing to do with your level of annoyance or obliviousness. And it also has nothing to do with your religious zeal and self righteousness. Clearly it has nothing to do with my patience for your foolishness, and the joy I find from being aggressive toward you, but is all to do with my insecurities that you bring out.
      You know how I hate to be called pop tart. :-(

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  10. Falter, if you don't feel guilty for masturbating to the thought of cutting someone's throat why do you pray to god to take the thoughts away?

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    1. Because I understand that they are wrong.

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  11. BoDJuly 20, 2012 12:37 PM
    Logical deductions, like reading words like "she" and "her" and deducing ME's talking about a woman... :D

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  12. You still owe me an answer, Gunge. Was I right about your age?

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    1. I beg your pardon, Sir? I "owe" you? I don't owe you shite. Be nice and I might decide to continue playing 20 questions with you, Postmodern Work of Art.

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  13. I think you should be penalized one additional question answered of mine first because of your importunateness. Then I promise to shot you straight...

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    1. That's patently ridiculous, but go on. I'll play along, within reason.

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    2. LOL not many have played Post this way, you're fun

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    3. Post, you know there's nothing to force him to answer you, there's no honor in being fair around here. He can drag this as long as he wants.

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    5. Thanks, Anon, I am aware. The only one set to be played here is Gunge. I'm just negotiating.

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  14. ... straight between the eyes:

    How old are you Postal?

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    1. You expect me to continue to play with a 22 year old undergrad in math? You should have gone with better lies. I can't gain anything from someone so young and inexperienced. Keep trying though, maybe you'll have one of those "from the mouth of babes" moments. So this game has reached it's conclusion.
      Shoot straight with me or get out a here.

      Anthology of Modern Poetry
      Methods of Cryptography
      Facial Expression Analysis
      all at 22? with no degree?

      I don't like be lied to shit head.

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    2. And if I were lying, you'd be in the right. But this isn't about me. It's about you.

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    3. Maybe that is Post's emotional age. What is your emotional age, Grunge?

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    4. If it makes you feel any better, that's pretty normal for the sciences, I'm graduating this year, and it's easier to get into grad school if you're published.

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    5. At least if you're lying you're consistent, post.
      gungy, I have some books from post on facial expressions you might find interesting. So far you're less consistent than he is, so please... let's play and break our toys and stuff.

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    6. Maybe he has a bunch of degrees. Maybe his bathroom walls are papered with diplomas so he can jerk off to them?

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    7. And if you are telling the truth, then I am sorry that I feel you have nothing to offer. I don't feeling like giving explicit details (I rather remain vague when it comes to sensitive information; and I do have a slight touch of paranoia). But if you would like to ask me questions concerning life, life experiences, and ask advice as to what you might do; I'm here for ya fella.

      I will divulge personal information concerning my life and the relationships in them, if you feel you might have something viable to try and contribute, please do so. I encourage the youth to think outside the box and not be afraid to get their pee-pee smacked for what they think. But the sensitive information is a no no, Postal.

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    8. Unfortunately, no, Anon. I'm just an inconsistent student. Took a year off after high school, went for a couple of years at one school, then transferred into a radically different major at a new school, so things have been a bit delayed.

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    9. Anon, my emotional age is probably a very mature 12. Maybe 13.

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    10. Your refusal to answer is as good as confirmation. You've fought so hard to avoid answering me because I'm right, aren't I? And if that's true, I know your name, Master Sergeant.

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    11. And don't condescend to me, retard. I'm your better.

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    12. Grungy, I will contribute but I cannot go back and read the long posts. LEt me get this straight, you are sociopathic (newly discovered)and want to leave your alcoholic wife but you have kids?

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    13. Grunge, if that is the case maybe you should examine what people go through during puberty.

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    15. Wow, you must be some kind of kid genius, Post.

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    16. The 12 to 13 thing was an attempt at humor.

      Post, my better? How so young man? Be careful, there's a wood shed out back.

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    17. YOu're certain you want to leave her but you are conflicted.. Is this some kind of codependant relationship?

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    18. He's a narcissist and he's contemplating leaving his alcoholic wife and brat children to pursue a life of happiness.

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    19. Well there is truth to every joke, Grunge.

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    20. The more you avoid the salient points, the more obvious you are, Gunge.

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    21. Yes, yes listen to UKan. She is fully qualified to diagnose me with one weeks exposure over a blog site.

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    22. Why do you have to be a narcissist to leave a bad situation? You want him to stick it out with her?

      Why don't we ask what keeps him with her instead of focusing on the ugly.

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    23. Postorbital, you are wasting energy baiting my friend. I the fisher you are now, you suck.

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    24. Whatever. Enjoy your watermelon and child support checks.~

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    25. It's got nothing to do with his situation. He just said he's not a sociopath but has some traits. Guess what that is.......

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    26. We know what keeps him with her, its his inability to take responsibility and control.

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    27. Good girl, Kany. Good girl. You want a treat?

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    28. Not from trashy scum like you. My treats have taste, thanks.

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    29. Oh, I'm sure your treats do! I'm going to get to that here in a minute... maybe.

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    30. I don't know what you're insinuating.

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  15. Lets move on to something more interesting Grungey. Tell us about your wife getting fucked by someone else. Was it a one time deal or did he fuck her for a while? Did she love him or was it just a lust thing? Did they fuck in your bed or was it at the hotel?

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    1. Were you at all jealous? Did you feel betrayed? Were you happy she had another to occupy her? DO you want revenge ? DOes she know you know? Is she sorry and hanging onto your pant leg begging for forgiveness?

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    2. Yes. Not really. No. Got all I needed. She told me/he confirmed. She has.

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    3. Did she tell you that it was the front porch or the two year old?

      Seems pretty brazen on the front porch, is your wife an exhibitionist or was it his idea? Was he hot, in your honest opinion?

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    4. So tell me about the loves you had while you were away? I'd like to hear more about the double standard you hold your wife to in your iron visited home.

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    5. Whoa dude, that sucks. Was that during your first deployment?

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    6. What keps you with her? THe money I suppose ? SHe will get your child support ad alimony?

      You need to build a case against her so she doesn't take you to the cleaners. Get a pitbull lawyer.

      Problem is you want the kids to respect you, huh, and not feel their Mom is a two timing whore, huh? Want to be fair to them kids and not fuck them up?

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    7. I had a friend, his wife cheated on him the first time he was away. Bitches.

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    8. For all the neighbors to see, or do you have acreage in the south?

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    10. Oh come on! She wanted an escape from this ass hole and he wouldn't let her go. I imagine he was violent towards her, and threatened to kill the guy who got too scared to be her escape. And that'd all be on her if he weren't off falling in love with foreigners in bars.

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    11. why cant you have acreage in the north?

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    12. And you got through it. Feels like a waste of time now doesn't it Grunge?

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    14. so on the phone you lied about loving her? Or did you believe you loved her because you were blinded by the thought of her with another?

      Do you want a reconciliation?

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    15. I don't get the dilemma. What kind of advice are you looking for?

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    17. You want to leave her or not? Or is that the dilemma.

      What is the hold she has on you?

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    18. none. I keep coming to read the daily post and try to relate to the story. I tend to post about the subject and then all of a sudden we get into my marriage ( my parents are coming up next). As best I can tell this is some right of passage here at SW. It doesn't get you anything and I'm not sure if it ever ends. I actually want to hear about others and what they've been through. But we all know that's a rare gem... hence why I guess me sharing becomes the center of attention. I have no problems with this as I have been nored out of my mind.

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    19. Does she know about your affairs?

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    21. She does. I have been extremely open to her at times.

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    22. Oh so you want out war stories, huh. Ok I'll give you one of mine. i got married and did not love my husband sexually. In fact I had disdain for him. I was complainig the minute we went down the alter. Before, even.

      No never cheated and neither did he. No Jerry Springer moments. Sorry.

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    23. How is it you can MAKE her stay?

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    24. Why did you take the walk then?

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    25. He can't. He just likes to feel like he's in control when he isn't.

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    26. make her stay? not sure I can any longer, I might have one more magic trick up my sleeve with her, but she's pretty much seen them all.

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    27. UKan, please be a good girl and throw a solution with each problem you think you see. Otherwise you sound like a bitch.

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    28. I got tired of being in a loveless, passionless marriage where I didn't respect him. I need to have respect for my mate. Seeing people walk over him (myself included) made me sick to my stomach.

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    29. Sorry, I meant the walk down the aisle to begin with?

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    30. She should leave you and stick you with the child support, but she can't because you've broken her. She disdains you. But you deserve each other. The only thing you could hope to get that would be better would be someone with no children. You're only options are your wife, or the local bar maid you've been eyeing. So do you still cheat on her? And did you love the Greek Spanish or whatever?doesn't sound like love is in your stars. Why not just push your wife away. Being alone doesn't daunt you, as you experience none of the benefits of companionship.

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    31. Oh. I think he was the only man I met who I was sure would never leave me no matter what. I settled for the wrong man for a somewhat legitimate reason. I was bored out of my fucking mind, and in denial about just how boring he was. I had gone through a string of idiots just before meeting him and thought well hell, I DESERVE someone who will be devoted to me after all those other idiots.

      Ridiculous.

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    33. Anon, no not ridiculous. Just life. You got an experience out of it. Did you learn anything?

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    34. why do you think she is broken. Kany??

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    35. Yes I learned valuable lessons. I learned I cannot control whether someone will leave or not. I learned I am not a person who can live without good sex, I learned I am not suzie homemaker and never will be, I learned I don't need to be with someone who won't leave for better self esteem, or security. It was a good thing. I have my whole life ahead of me.

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    36. I also learned I need someone to push back, not a pushover.

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    37. Then the experience wasn't wasted. Might not have been fun, but you gained

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    38. No I never said the experience was a waste. Many women with my problems don't even get married. I took a big risk making that mistake. It was pretty frigggin courageous. And I had a big beautiful wedding lol. The inlaws gave me a lot of good stories to tell. Crazy people. Complete adventure. Then I went through the divorce and another string of shitheads, but this time I am dealing with the original attraction to shitheads.

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    39. Gunge what are you going to learn from your marriage?

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    40. UKan, please be a good girl and throw a solution with each problem you think you see. Otherwise you sound like a bitch.


      I sound like a bitch? I wasn't the one who had someone fucking my wife on the front porch and let it go. I gave you a solution. You are just too much of a coward to go through with it.

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    41. That if you play with shit your hands get dirty.

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    42. She's not broken. She's just living the good life while this sucker goes out and pays for her drinking habits and wild sex sprees when he is gone. She doesn't even talk to him anymore. He's nothing but a check.

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    43. An alcoholic is broken. Drinking two six packs a night isn't upstanding. She's as trashy as he is.

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    44. Well at least she's living it up. It sounds like she's having a great time while he's out there brassed off.

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    45. UGirl are funny as all get out. I haven't been able to see your advice for the insults and presumptions you make. I think you are frustrated UTwo. I think this from your over aggression. I think you don't like you very much, so you project your vile interpretation of yourself on others. My guess is you are a very over weight (325+) short woman in her late twenties who is to ashamed to get out in public, too lazy to fix her image and her attitude towards life. So, you created some online personas... at least four that I see so far, there may be more. UKan and Kany are your hate and rage... they're tuff guys and girls ready to tell the world how awesome they have it and how fucked up everybody else is. You keep throwing ice cream and pancakes into your fat face as you smile upon the cute insults you put together... cut the computer off dear, get out of the room and go for a walk before you're 800 oundes and they have to remove a wall or two to get you out.

      Come on! UKan Do It.

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    46. Yeah, I guess she found someone to satisfy what she's willing to want. They're both only willing to want very little.

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    47. Let's talk about projecting. How much does your wife weigh? And I know how much you like them short...

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    48. UKnow Nothing of What I Want... you only know what I may have wanted at one time.

      UKnow Nothing of me really.

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    49. She's 5'4" and 140 now as she gets older. It ain't the 115 pound 20 year old no more. But she is much much smaller than U.

      UKan B Larger Than Life

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    50. Im just giving you the hard truth Grungy. There's nothing aggressive about it. I'm sure fooling yourself into believing I'm everyone here is a lot easier than having to face the facts in your own life, isn't it?

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    51. You were the one who said she wasn't physically satisfying you anymore grungy.

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    52. Than why'd you ask green if she was a shorty? And you're right. Your wife is much smaller than me. Personally I'm a lot turned off by short and fat, but I guess if you can still sleep with her... to each his own.

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    53. Oh, wait. You can't. So can you still get it up with the young shorties you chase? Or is that becoming a typical issue at your age?

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    54. Not everyone. And I faced the fats. We got that. You have your drawn conclusion from the facts which is a only a distorted end brought on by your picking and choosing to focus on the certain issue you want. Then you insist on telling me my story through your eyes. your warped. you want my life to be shit so you'll feel better about yours (whatever the truth maybe). you wish you had had just any bit of whatever it was that I had that said "make bold choices and live by the decisions", you just engross yourself every night with this web sight... sad really. How long have UGuys been coming here?

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    55. Physical appearence doesn't matter as long as she's got a pussy, it's all good.

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    56. Im repeating your life back to you from what you've told me. You are the one making things up about people's lives here Grungy. You said that she fucked someone else and you were a bitch and let her stay in the marriage with you despite not being satisfied with her even physically. Now you are projecting on everyone else. Making guessing games and assumptions that you are just using to discard what we are telling you.

      If I'm playing Kany and other people here I must be a genius, because even M.E. doesn't think that's the truth. Maybe you are the one and only to have figured it out Grungy, because you are just so fucking smart. Smarter than everyone here.

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    57. Dr. Freud, dr. Freud, come quick!

      Alright. Gungy, let's see if your as good about telling us our life from your perspective as we are of telling you yours from ours.
      Or you can just tell us how far off we are. So how far in left field are we?

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    58. Physical appearence doesn't matter as long as she's got a pussy, it's all good.


      I don't agree. There's too many girls out there not to be picky.

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    59. "You said that she fucked someone else and you were a bitch and let her stay in the marriage with you despite not being satisfied with her even physically."

      See, that's what I'm talking about. Your eyes. I didn't say I wasn't attracted to her physically at the time of the event. I was. As I said this was a long time ago. She had but given birth once and was still very young and beautiful; the sex was still outstanding. I never said I was a bitch at all. I got to keep my house, my kid, and after that little ordeal, my wife's knees locked together for quite sometime to come. That's to say she has, I just don't think she was willing to even try for a little while.

      "If I'm playing Kany and other people here I must be a genius, because even M.E. doesn't think that's the truth. "

      I told you last night you were a genius.

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  17. General of the AnonsJuly 21, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    Post is our leader.

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  18. I am my own leader

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  19. Nice picture, but come on... Everybody knows iron maidens never existed as medieval torture devices.~

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    1. LOL! I didn't know that.

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  20. Prisons, museums, what's next, women's department stores?

    Slitting throat as an art?

    People kill for sadistic pleasure, to dominate an other in total and beyond.

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    1. "I had never thought of killing that way, but now that I have it makes complete sense that serial killers will get apprentices, or imitators, or plain fans, just like artists."

      This doesn't make sense to me.

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