I've always considered myself a bully's bully. Bullies are particularly attractive targets to me because they are very adept at swaying the beliefs and behavior of mobs. As I have said before, mob mentality freaks me out. I feel like attacking the bully is like cutting off the head of the mythical mob beast, or to mix a metaphor, a mob is nothing without its ringleader. Recently I have been exposed to a bully in a work setting. I never had much interaction with this person before, and then only in positive ways, which was why I was so surprised when a coworker of mine confided that this person makes his work life hell. This particular bully doesn't have any real authority. If anything, my coworker friend is the bully's superior, so the bully is always careful to cover any suspicious activity with passive aggressive behavior. The bully also preemptively attacks my friend's character and credibility so when/if my friend ever complains, he's not going to seem credible. This is a classic manipulative tool, making it seem like your target has a personal vendetta against you so when he reacts (seemingly unprovoked), he = crazy and you = victim. (I feel like this is the plot of many a cat/dog fighting antique cartoon. I also feel like sociopath may have been the inventor of the popular myth -- the completely unjustified personal vendetta.)
Before my friend warned me, I was lulled by the bully's seeming good-nature and charms. I disclosed valuable information, like what projects I was involved with, how things were working out, etc. The bully lulled me into a false sense of security by talking about his own personal details -- disappointing children, bumps in the road of life, etc. The bully did not seem like a threat at all, and I started to question my friend's assessment. But the bully quickly showed his true colors -- yelling, screaming, picking on his legitimate inferiors. I suddenly saw so clearly how the bully was targeting me indirectly -- asking me about my current projects because he wanted to help me fail.
As the bully was saying goodnight to everyone, I pulled him aside, put my hand on his shoulder and said, "You know, I have to apologize to you.Ii made a joke this morning that was in poor taste. You asked how everything was going with my new project and I said 'So far so good.' I didn't mean to imply that i wasn't giving the project my full attention and skill. On the contrary, I am 100% dedicated to the success of this project. I think I was just trying to be self-deprecating, but I realize now that the joke fell flat." Such a non sequitor, uncomfortably sincere apology where no apology was expected will always catch the receiving party off-guard. Granted, the apology was really for nothing, it was really more of a brag. All the better. It confuses the receiving party and makes him feel as if you are very sensitive/weak/vulnerable (even though you aren't), and therefore not at all a threat. They suddenly feel as if they too should be apologizing about things, or explaining, or something -- ANYTHING -- just to fill the oppressively awkward silence while you keep staring into their eyes with your hand meaningfully on their shoulder. I stood there and listened to the bully spill. "Well, it's true that the last few people in charge of that project got fired, and I was just thinking, maybe... but maybe you'll be different..." See what has happened here? I have forced my opponent to show his hand. He has acknowledged that he is aware of what my project is (even though he pretended to have no clue the day before), its history, its importance, his obvious interest in it, etc. It doesn't really matter if his cards are aces or deuces, in a world where bluffing and image mean everything (or almost everything), I immediately gain the upper hand. And he knows it.
The next day I was all deflection. He asked me a question, and I gave him a non-answer and asked him questions back, even for the most meaningless of things. "What did you get for lunch?" "Oh you know, same old. What did you get for lunch?" "What are you working on now?" "Little this, little that. What are you working on?" The terser the answer, the more offputting it is, like someone returning your baseline hits from the net. You pin him there. You want him to know that for every worthless piece of information he may get from you, you are getting twice the value and 10X the number. The bully, now desperate and sensing the shift in power, quickly progressed from "chummy" sideways questions to direct inquiries. "So how did that project turn out yesterday? Did it get approved?" Wouldn't you like to know.
Moral of this story: empaths who complain about sociopaths, who do you think will fight the bullies among you if we're not around? Empaths can be just as horrible (if not more so) than sociopaths, and some of them don't even realize it. If we are all locked up in your dream sociopath gulag, who will protect you from yourselves? We may not be the only ones who can beat you at your own little bully games, but we are certainly the most ruthlessly efficient about it.
You also make the most ruthless bullies. In fact, bullies make up a much larger portion of sociopaths than empaths.
ReplyDeleteSo let me get this straight. We're supposed to accept the existence of, say, the 50 most ruthless bullies on earth, in exchange for maybe 3-4 of the most ruthless bully bashers?
If getting rid of bullies were our only goal, wouldn't cold, hard logic dictate that exterminating sociopaths is preferable to keeping them around?
I'm not saying that you or any other sociopath deserve this. I'm replying to the implication that we need sociopaths to control bullies, and nothing else. Please keep that in mind.
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ReplyDeleteWhy were you tricked into complacency in the first place? Seems odd considering you were warned. Back peddling like that makes you seem nervous and fearful. Probably why you were probed more the next day. Only thing you might have gotten upper hand wise was the creepy eye and physical contact. Which I'm sure this person is telling everyone behind your back what a creep you are. Everything is not always what it seems. You probably made yourself more of a target. A challenge even.
ReplyDeleteSociopaths are just like chimpanzees. They think they are not obvious but they are. Everyone is just trying to give them the same courtesy they give everyone else. Pager, Daneil, Jasnowflake, Thunderball and Me all think they are hidden and more intelligent then the sheep around them. That's the key word. They think they are better, doesn't mean that they are. What are you supposed to do with a sociopath at your work? Nothing you can do. They always end up tripping themselves because they see no flaws in their actions. Just like on here. So its better to let them burn themselves out like they always do but always deny. Why else would you have to adapt and change masks all the time? Everyone else seems to get by perfectly fine being who they are. What does that say? Everyone has their flaws. At least the ones who admit it can move onto better things then just petty short term control. If you are such masters of control why are you even here? Daneil seems to be perpetually finding himself. Thunderball and Pager seem to be locked in a battle of who is the baddest online sociopath. Hey guys, who cares? To me you are fake persona one vs fake persona two who sound exactly the same. The more you fight to point out your differences the more you show how similar you are. You are all insane. You do the same thing over and over and expect better results but end up where you started. I know this will fall of deaf ears but I still hope someone will understand.
ReplyDeleteAm I the only one who sees the humor in all of this? Haha.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said, “Daneil seems to be perpetually finding himself.”
ReplyDeleteYou’re right. Well, at least you were. This does characterize my past. What do you suggest?
Surprise me.
Peter Pan said, "Am I the only one who sees the humor in all of this? Haha."
ReplyDeleteNope. It's all starting to sound a tad absurd to me.
Am I the only one who sees the humor in all of this? Haha.
ReplyDeleteHumor! What humor?! This internet is serious business!
Sociopaths exist. That is inarguable. The sociopath is someone, as we know, with a grossly deficient respect for the integrity and boundaries of others; someone who sizes others up principally as assets to be exploited for his or her own whims and needs. The sociopath is a remorseless user and taker.
ReplyDeleteAt the same time, I think it’s worth noting that sociopathy, in general, makes for sensational copy, as a result of which estimations of its incidence in the general population are at risk, I would argue, of being dubiously, irresponsibly inflated.
Martha Stout, for instance, in her formerly bestselling The Sociopath Next Door, an otherwise rather unoriginal (in my view) layman’s introduction to sociopaths, capitalizes and, I suggest, exploits a spicy subject by suggesting that as much as 4% of the general population may meet criteria for sociopathy.
It’s unclear exactly how Stout derives her figure, but it strikes me (at best) as questionable, and more likely, as reckless. Certainly it’s in Stout’s interest, as an author, to sensationalize sociopathy, the better for her book sales. And a good way to do this, indisputably, is to suggest bloated numbers of sociopaths’ existence.
Four percent of the general population? Stout is suggesting that as many as one in 25 people with whom we cross paths may be sociopaths?
Even Robert Hare, Ph.D, the noted psychopathy researcher, estimates that upwards of 1% of the general population meets his very stingent criteria for psychopathy (psychopathy, in Hare’s terms, being synonymous with sociopathy). Compared to Stout’s figure, Hare’s seems much more reasonable. But even 1% strikes me as somewhat high.
These estimates suggest, for instance, that basically at any random gathering—in church, synagogue, a high-school basketball game, or town council meeting, you name it—we are likely to be sitting in proximity to a true sociopath, if not several?
It also suggests that, in the course of a day, or week, we’ll have crossed paths, if not rubbed elbows with, multiple sociopaths? Day after day, week after week, we are consistently crossing paths, if unknowingly, with sociopaths?
ReplyDeleteI struggle with this view, as someone who has clinically worked (and not irregularly, works) with sociopathic individuals.
My own gut, clinical and life experience leaves me suspicious that, as real and mumerically prevalent as sociopaths are, there is one sitting in every classroom on back to school night, and several in attendance at every school play?
As a matter of fact, I think possible exaggerations of the incidence of sociopathy do an injustice to the victims of real sociopaths. Nowadays, it’s common for anyone who deals with an insensitive, manipulative jerk to call that person a sociopath. You hear the label sociopath being permissively applied, in my view, to a wide range of people to whom it doesn’t accurately apply.
There has been a confusing, in my view, of sociopathy with other disorders, like narcissistic and borderline. Within personal relationships acts of aggressiveness, passive-aggressiveness, selfishness and abusiveness are now routinely (and liberally) ascribed to the offending partner’s sociopathy, as if a host of other explanatory sources of these problem-behaviors barely merits consideration.
Some individuals with borderline personality disorder, for instance, are capable of vengeful, cold-blooded behavior when they feel emotionally abandoned. A good example of a film portrayal of a borderline personality is Glenn Close’s performance in Fatal Attraction. Close could easily be misdiagnosed as a sociopath given her demonstated—and sociopathic-like—capacity for chilling, ruthless vengeance. But her desperation, and her rage stemming from her desperation, is a borderline personality tendency that better explains her calculated viciousness.
I’ve worked often with spouses of narcissistic personalities, who feel inordinately entitled to having their sensitivities and demands met. Narcissists will tend to react with an unsavory combination of contempt, rage, passive-aggressive and/or aggressive relatiation when disappointed (which is constantly). Often I’ll hear the spouses of such personalities refer to them as sociopaths, when their partners’ disturbance is more often related to narcissism than sociopathy.
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2008/10/09/the-sociopath-next-door-probably-not/
Myth: Women have BPD; men have Antisocial Personality Disorder.
ReplyDeleteReality: Although BPD is diagnosed in women much more frequently, men have it as well.
According to the DSM-IV, about 75 percent of those diagnosed with BPD are women and that most people diagnosed with Anti-social Personality Disorder (APD) are men. But although the personality disorders have some external similarities (i.e., difficulties with relationships, tendencies to blame others), their internal states are strikingly different. Borderlines feel shame, guilt, emotional distress, and emptiness; people with APD generally do not.
So why are more women diagnosed with BPD than men? No one knows, but several theories have arisen.
Theories of why BPD happens more often in women
Sexual abuse, which is common in childhood histories of borderline patients, happens more often to women than men.
Women experience more inconsistent and invalidating messages in this society.
Women are more vulnerable to BPD because they are socialized to be more dependent on others and more sensitive to rejection.
Clinicians are biased. Studies have shown that mental health professionals tend to diagnose BPD more often in women than men, even when patient profiles are identical except for the gender of the patient.
Men seek psychiatric help less often.
Men are more likely to be treated only for their alcoholism or substance abuse; their borderline symptoms go unnoticed because BPD is assumed to be a woman's disorder.
Female borderlines are in the mental health system; male borderlines are in jail.
I hate bullies not because of fear, but because of resentment. Not only have I been targeted myself, but I feel that they do not deserve the power they have over other people. I get what little influence I have through painstakingly finding out what people want and expect of me, while bullies merely take a shortcut with violence and threats. My normal way of dealing with them is by derailing them in front of people. This causes them to react and try to take their power back, normally through violence. Since their fighting is based on emotion rather than logic, I take them down and their authority is reduced to null.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny how the first anonymous seems to think that sociopaths are the biggest bullies. Any intelligent sociopath should understand that violence and threats are easy, and can backfire horribly if they rely on them. Sociopaths are crowd-pleasers rather than crowd-repressors, bullies make enemies when they gain power, sociopaths make friends.
Why don't you read the "featured comment" on this wonderful blog, and then try to tell me that sociopaths aren't proud bullies.
ReplyDeleteJust as tall athletic men make better basketball players than short fat women, sociopaths make the best (and therefore the most successful) bullies.
ReplyDeleteJust what compels sociopaths to protect empaths? It makes more sense that a sociopath would use an “empathic bully” to eliminate empathic rivals, before eliminating the (if less crafty) bully themselves.
I’ve rarely ever met an empathic bully. Those types have usually suffered from child abuse and/or have narcissistic qualities. The bullies I have known, if their target cannot provide useful grains of information, will simply lie and backstab until something sticks. Or they will try to move the situation to a might = right confrontation if the target is physically weaker. This is why I have trouble with this whole “sociopaths are superior to bullies” thing.
Degree of sociopathy? Just as men are generally taller than females, females are generally more “feeling” than men.
Anonymous said: “My normal way of dealing with them is by derailing them in front of people. This causes them to react and try to take their power back, normally through violence. Since their fighting is based on emotion rather than logic, I take them down and their authority is reduced to null.”
Is this done by calling them outside? Can you give us any details?
I won't waste my breath on the person who thinks sociopaths are animals (Chimps). I'm sure we all know what that would make him/her.
ReplyDeleteME I like the reversal and taking control of the conversation. Questions are the best tool of control.
Anonymous Psychologist, I like your comments. It comes from a very educated standpoint. I also agree with you on Stout. That book was sensationalism at best. It was selling fear to the public which serves the purpose of book sales, rather than education.
I have a question on the bully thing. I noticed most bullies have a low self esteem, which is why they pick on people smaller than them. I for one am extremely opposite. I know I'm amazing. Is there sociopaths on here that have low self esteem? Psychologist: What differences in these types have you seen?
I finally like the direction this site is taking. I might learn something now.
Pager.
ReplyDeleteCare if I weigh in on this too?
There are sociopaths with low selfesteem. They will for instance think they are ugly and disgusting themselves but still think they are ENTITLED to anything they want and need. And sociopath with low self esteem wants and needs a lot.
I knew you were the psychologist Disney. It made sense. Since you want to understand sociopaths you should help me figure some things out as well.
ReplyDeleteLet me ask you some questions since I have you here:
I recently met a person at a event I was attending. At first he made small lies as to his grandeur. He claimed he was a rock star (Which wasn't that far out the considering the event) and that he had a huge mansion, with a stripper girlfriend.
I asked him if he could give me a ride to the store from the event since I was too drunk to drive and he said he took the train. Considering where I was I found this to be odd at best. Throughout the night he made more and more ridiculous claims. He had a whole act down of being some top dog executive with all sorts of big names under contract.
He was all too eager to answer my questions, which led me to believe he was lying. However, he lived close and I needed to sober up so I decided to give him and his friend a ride home so I could use it as a rest point.
Upon my arrival I found he did not live in a million dollar house (Not suprisingly), and there was a guy sleeping on his couch complaining of visitors. Hardly the lifestyle of the rich and famous. His girlfriend was ugly (definatly not a stripper) and started yelling at him about him stealing her friend's IPOD and finding a porn collection of his. His claims to her about who he was was equally ridiculous, which led me to believe there would be no way they could have known each other long, since he was making all sorts of ridiculous claims of tickets for shows, his rock band, guest lists VIP, and what not.
I had my girlfriend divert his attention on a conversation while I asked his girl where they met. She made a gesture of typing on a keyboard, which meant the internet. I later asked how long they knew each other and she said one week.
I told some funny stories about my life and had the small crowd at his house laughing. He repeatedly tried to take control of the conversation by trying top my stories with boasts that were obviously not true. He for some reason thought I was trying to out brag him, when actually I was just entertaining the crowd. He couldn't take control from me because he was too insecure and it showed.
His friend was extremely weak minded. I made the pathological liar aware of this and he was extremely offended. It was more of a warning for him, though why I warned him I don't know. Perhaps it's because I knew he wouldn't listen and I wanted to show him how retarted he is. Everytime I asked his friend a question he gave a honest answer contradicting his liar friend. Since the liar refused to listen to me about his weak link I decided to press his friend on all kinds of questions about how he grew up and why he took so many drugs. His friend proceeded to tell me about his fucked up childhood, adopted parents, skank real mom, and stint in some mental institution where he was abused.
This line of questioning about the liar's friend's life made him pissed off. He knew I was getting this info to manipulate his weak minded friend. I was just doing it to piss him off. His friend was of no use to me. He made more ridiculous claims about him being in the 'family', as if it was a underlying threat. Of course I was not threatned. The more I asked his friend about his childhood the more the liar was angry. He was so angry by the time I was done he was stuttering lies to the point where nobody could comprehend what he was saying.
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ReplyDeleteI've run into these people before. I call them foul people, for lack of a medical term.
What makes these people lie so horribly? Why do they lie about stuff they won't get away with? Why does he lie with no clear goal in mind? What other traits do people like this have? He is persuasive like me, but only for the short term, then it fall apart. He clearly has little ability to manipulate, and attaches himself to very weak minded people who will actually fall for his bullshit. The difference between us is I go after stronger people who are more useful and I don't lie out of low self esteem, I lie and manipulate to gain things or protect myself.
I want to know, because I get into a lot of physical fights with people like this once I outsmart them, and they seem to be drawn to me reguardless of the fact that they neither win physically or mentally. Why is this? They seem to make moves that are unwise and wreckless, while I make more planned and calculated moves. Those moves they make force me to make more wreckless moves than I normally would have made in order to counter them.
You (NDP-narcissistic personality disorder) meets him (ASPD-antisocial personality disorder). I'd say off hand you are not a sociopath. I am basing that off what you have written which can't capture a third party perspective. So take it or don't take it as you will.
ReplyDeleteLack of long term planning is usual with a sociopath.
You seem to suffer from NDP and not sociopathology (ASPD) because you:
have a grandiose sense of self importance
require excessive admiration
lack empathy
believe others of envious of you or want to be like you
are arrogant
You don't expose yourself and refused to expose yourself in any way, which shows you probably have a fragile self-esteem and are vulnerable to the slightest criticism. A key trait to the narcissist.
Before you go on the attack, don't. This is just an observation. I could be wrong.
Frankly I wouldn't call anything I am a disorder. I wouldn't expect you to know what I am or my traits from one exchange it would require a lot more conversation than that. However I do appreciate your insight.
ReplyDeleteI have many reasons I dont expose myself none having to do with self esteem. You would be wrong on the critisism point as well. I've wrote things on here having to do with accepting critisism and accountability.
That aside I'm not here to learn about myself. I've got that covered. I'm here to learn about others to help me in my business. You hardly touched on my questions at all. I would appreciate a real answer.
Why would I attack you?
Your clown is a pathological liar, dear windowlicker.
ReplyDeleteThat he always needs to impress implies a strong reward dependence component which is amplified by deep childhood based insecurities, and stupidity. That these types want to physically fight you means he is a likely a Borderline Disordered Personality. Have you ever taken it up the ass?
Pager:
ReplyDeleteYou said:
"Let me ask you some questions since I have you here:"
Hehe. You crack me up. BUT where Pager are YOUR questions? Oh there you go you did an after post with some questions;
First off I cant tell whether the ' clown' is a sociopath or not, but for your story I dont really think it matters to know anyhow...
-What makes these people lie so horribly?
Multiple answers:
*because its their nature to lie whether those lies will get em caught makes no difference, they need to lie because they dont know what they are or should say if they dont. again: their nature. Therapy may or not help, depending on other things. I wont go into the deeper underlying reasons cause Im sure you read some basic psychological works...Or maybe not, you dont strike me as being much of a reader.
*to get what he wants, and that, as you know, can be a whole plethora of thingies ranging from material to immaterial ( small and big ,YOU may not even understand how it would be a reward, therefore you in this case werent capable of reading him well enough).
-Why does he lie with no clear goal in mind (persuasive only for short term)
* Listen, look at yourself for anwers. What did you do in fact. You energy went into getting a ride, fine. You got the ride then you wasted your energy on a complete clown who is likely incapable of fooling the type of person of whom you would actually have something to gain from. You couldnt control yourself to prove he was lying when I doubt he was fooling anyone. for what? Listen, if that was just to piss him off and that gave you a thrill and you were after a thrill that night, thats fine. But werent you after great bigger and whatever terms you used, things? It doesnt help to achieve anything bigger, to go about pressuring weak lost people in the middle of the night. This way youll just use yourself up and I think you very well stand a chance, certainly cause of your drinking, to get physical and some scared person IS gonna call the cops and you will get arrested. Which is no biggie you could say, but again, it wont lead to the things you claim youre after. So far you just seem easily pissed of and reckless. You dont seem to have a clue how to play chess. Which is better for me, I wish for peace and harmony and such and I pity weak people and wouldnt be able to enjoy them hurting at all. You enjoying weak people's suffering is sadistic btw I think it was a question from you from the other thread.
So now that this entire post was dedicated to your topics I only have one question:
-describe what the topic' love' means for/to you. so far your post on the other thread truly didnt even start to answer it. you just say you like to both manipulate ( btw i read that as you feel better when you' share' that, am i correct? if so, how do you see this) just sort of write away about it to make sure i get anything out of it.
I'm not going to answer your question at all disney, because you haven't answered mine at all. You were no help. In fact, our homophobic friend had more insight than yourself.
ReplyDeleteI've read alot Im a history buff. I'm big on sociolagy, history, and psychology. My spelling doesn't reflect that I'm sure you've noticed, but this is amerikkka. Land of the undereducated and over imprisoned.
Again. I'm not asking about my motives or tendencies. I know what my motives and tendencies are, My motives for going to his house was for me and my girl to be sober so I could safely get home. That is plain and simple.
Why does he lie with no clear goal in mind? You say look to yourself for answers. I don't make easily breakable lies with no goal for the lie. Most people believe me lie or not, because I'm a great liar. I dont make impossible claims.
I don't care about being arrested behind fight. I have greater things to worry about. I don't have te luxury of peace and harmony. that you have, though I wish I did.
I wanted to ask you about this guy, Disney, not myself. Give me my answe r and I will give you urs.Your view on myself, Daniel, and others on this site is jaded at best. If you want more candor I suggest being less judgemental and to stop holding peoples values to your own. Isn't that empathy?
Pager said, “Frankly I wouldn't call anything I am a disorder.”
ReplyDeleteI like your attitude.
Your view on myself, Daniel, and others on this site is jaded at best. If you want more candor I suggest being less judgemental and to stop holding peoples values to your own. Isn't that empathy?
Zackley. If Disney wanted candor she might want to start by being honest with herself.
I’m curious though. Out of all the things you could have said about ‘Merrika, you chose this:
this is amerikkka. Land of the undereducated and over imprisoned.
Why mention the ‘over imprisonment’ issue?
Disclaimer: Just so we’re clear, I’m not asking you to reveal anything you don’t want to. I don't know if you can tell by the other things I've said here, but I don’t comment on this site to play psychological games with other commenters. It’s just not my cup of tea.
Disney=Troll
ReplyDeleteWalt Disney was a sociopath. Research it if you don’t believe me. Excellent.
ReplyDeleteHow did this thread go from ruining bullies to patronizing windowlickers?
Pager
ReplyDeleteI suggest you continue going round in circles like you were doing before I came here.
Have a good one.
Go live your fantasy life Disney. Your name sure fits. Next time you come on this site give something instead of taking. It's ironic that you would have to hear that from a sociopath. You are a hypocrite.
ReplyDeleteYou therapists are the same. The minute we start trying to improve ourselves you get scared that we are trying to manipulate you, and run for cover. Go 'cover your vagina', as you like to say. Maybe you should go blow your head off like the rest of them do.
Evil you, sir, are boring whether or not you change your name from thunderball. You bored me before when you started calling me back the same name I gave you: windowlicker. Come up with your own shit. You need a new name to fuck up I thought furball would be of use.
pager
ReplyDeleteall you ever get to do on this planet is be angry.
im not a therapist btw you mastermind you.
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ReplyDelete"You don't expose yourself and refused to expose yourself in any way, which shows you probably have a fragile self-esteem and are vulnerable to the slightest criticism. A key trait to the narcissist."
ReplyDeleteThat's the dumbest thing I think you said. Sociopaths on this site don't expose themselves when they ARE secure with themselves. We don't have to vent our souls on this stupid site to feel better about ourselves, and we know not to post too much truth about ourselves because it can be used against us. The lack of a need to disclose fully to others is a need for acceptance. Being secretive is not being insecure with oneself, but it is not seeking approval from others to find security.
I think you sound completely confused with all of your prejudgements on this subject. For example, I think the master manipulator sounds like a sociopath, and the pathological liar sounds like an insane narcissistic borderline personality. The need he exhibited for attention at all times by always trying to up the lie show that he feels threatened, and that Pager's confidence is what draws out the violence. Have you people not seen this yourselves? Like dogs, it all ends up a pissing contest when a man feels like he's inferior to his company. I think the question here is why is a pathological liar so willing to lie to his detriment, and just how dangerous does that make them? What are other characteristics of these people who carry implications of desperation in their actions. Desperation makes people dangerous, as cowards when cornered. You can't put anything past these people, so what types of things are they heard having done? For example, would this liar have started a fight with Pager to impress his girl, or to hold to his lies, or is cowardice a characteristic of this personality type.
I've met these pathological liar types. the ones I know will lie to themselves, and a bit less blatantly, and were actually very dangerous to myself. I ended up believing a lot of stuff that got me into a bit of trouble. How do you detect these people who convince themselves they mean no harm?
Disney, I was originally excited as to your arrival because you have education to offer, but alas, you're too defensive and judgemental to gain anything from. You have deep seeded biases from your experiences or from your education, and you seem very much nopt to understand the sociopath as you say you do. You list traits and build preconceptions that help none of us to further our understanding of psychology. What a disappointment you've been. An onslaught of ill placed insults, showing your inferiority or your overdefensiveness. We have no malicious intentions for you, so lower your guard a bit.
ReplyDeleteYou don't seem to understand that the sociopath is not the devil. We're just different. If your goal here is to try to understand, you approached it in a very very unproductive way. I doubt any of us are inclined to like you enough to talk to you about your questions. And we probably had much insight into sociopath love and relationships, but so it goes.
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ReplyDeleteMy bad Peter. You were under contract by Disney during the coupe in never never land, so technically you are a mercenary at best.
ReplyDeleteI think Disney was in a relationship with a sociopath. I change my stance on her. She came in here trying to act objective, but her resentment showed through. She's not a troll. I don't know if you read her previous postings in 'How to read people like a sociopath', but she tried to play some doe in the woods act with Daniel to learn bout how he thinks. That 'I just want to hug you' shit doesn't work with me bitch.
My question is still left without any satisfactory answer. Anyone want to take a swing?
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ReplyDeleteI appreciate the insight Peter. Finally someone with a brain.
ReplyDeleteI think everybody has been working hard here and deserve a small gem:
ReplyDelete"Perhaps if the future existed, concretely and individually, as something that could be discerned by a better brain, the past would not be so seductive: its demands would be balanced by those of the future. Persons might then straddle the middle stretch of the seesaw considering this or that object. But the future has no such reality (as the pictured past and the perceived present); the future is but a figure of speech, a specter of thought. A thin veneer of immediate reality is spread over natural and artificial matter, and whoever wishes to remain in the now, with the now, on the now, should please not break its tension film. Otherwise the inexperienced miracle worker will find himself not walking on water but descending upright among staring fish"
You are very welcome.
Peter Pan, you have a good profile of the liar, so far. Is there a way to distinguish these attention seekers early? Is there a major difference between liars and just normal people early in conversation? Mannerisms?
ReplyDeletePersonally with these personality types I notice so far a smugness in the way they turn their chin after sentences about themself, or an impressive fact or story. As if they're trying to shrug something off as not being a big deal, but it's really a manipulation tactic for more attention and to obtain a certain amount of awe. Do people who are just arrogant possess this trait, or is it distinct to someone putting on a facade. As sociopaths IO know you all are intuitive, so has anyone else noticed perhaps similar patterns or mannerisms?
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ReplyDeleteYou are all abysmal and ignorent. You vomit ignorant memes, define yourself on pop psychology and to top if off, deny it. All the while...
ReplyDeleteThe wheels on the asylum bus go round and round, round and round, round and round
The wheels on the asylum bus go round and round, all through the town.
The horn on the asylum bus goes beep beep beep...
The wipers on the asylum bus go swish, swish, swish...
The bipolar on the asylum bus go up and down...
The blorderline on the asylum bus go waa, waa, waa waa...
The narcissists on the asylum bus go sh sh sh...
This is as close to a mental instituation with no warden that you see.
You sound like you need to be on that bus.
ReplyDeleteEvil you, sir, are boring whether or not you change your name from thunderball.
ReplyDeleteI'm not, Evil.
But hey anonymous, you know what they say: "Ignorence" is bliss. Oh, and,sorry for the "ignorant memes". My stomach was sore, so I guess I vomitted them all up on you. Mexican food, too. I hope you can enjoy your visit to the "instituation" nonetheless.
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ReplyDelete"I'm not, Evil."
Is bullying, evil? Is physically confronting bullies, good?
I am simply attempting to salvage this thread from windowlicker/furball.
The author is so obviously not a sociopath. God knows what he actually is....sure, a lot of us are on the spectrum. But, sociopaths don't go round picking on the bullies, they are the bullies.
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