Monday, October 17, 2011

Guest post: Explaining the Villain

From a reader:

Often he's presented as male, antisocial, perhaps depressed and more than likely suffered some sort of childhood abuse. He has no faith in humanity or the decency of the ordinary individual. His only interest is in himself, in satisfying his own needs and maintaining his own well-being.

If you look at human instinct, you'll see our animal and rational sides.

Our animal instincts are all linked to self-preservation. The need to eat, sleep, fuck and our emotions: empathy, sympathy, sadness, fear, kindness. In society we raise ourselves to believe that emotions are good, that personal needs are questionable and only suitable to be satisfied if it poses no threat to the community around us.

Then you've got our rational half. Our self-awareness, our ability to check the logic of our own actions and moderate our instincts.

We pretend, with our apparent intelligence, that we can overcome our animal instincts, that they're unnecessary and ought to be shut down because of a strong fear that we might lose control.

If one person is too different, if they're apt to lose control or have ideas that present a threat to the majority, we will cast them out in order to protect the stability of our herd. This is the beginning of our villain. He will be made to feel defective, different and discriminated against from the beginning. Made to feel he or she is inherently wrong for things they have no control over.

The defective unit will be cast out and left to fend for himself. Once out, our young one will be welcomed back in. The invitation, however, is conditional. The person must surrender what it is about them that makes them different. People will say that its an optional trait, that this thing can be discarded, that if the person was normal there would be no problem.

Our outcast is naturally resentful and his difference may well be something that cannot be changed.

After being outside for long enough, our alien will have learned to appreciate his position. He is out of the forest and can see the trees. He can see the herd for what it is, the faults, the failures, the bureacracy and its inability to perform a logic check its own reasoning. Depending on how badly he's been treated, he will often attempt to help the individuals in the herd and free them from their ignorance. Enlighten them as to their position. They will retaliate and be scared, refuse to believe the ideas of the outcast because he's been flagged as dangerous.

After this failure, our alien will naturally be angry, he'll take the herd as prey and treat them as an enemy. He will be treated as a second class citizen, still subject to all the same rules and regulations as normal herd members but without a voice. It won't be recognised that he can provide anything of discernable value to the community. His ideas, however enlightened they might be in reality, are null and void and out of that same fear of a loss of stability, can't even be looked at in case it damages society.

143 comments:

  1. Does the person who falls in love with a sociopath, and cannot get over it, fall in love with a mirror to the person's own face i.e the person who is in love.

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  2. Being a victim of that kind of love, I aske myself that everyday. I know I feel more sociopathic now, having come into such close contact with it in him.

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  3. From reading the archives, I see that the sociopath has a flexible or non existent sense of self.

    The "victim" of the sociopath has a weak sense of self. The sociopath mirrors the "victims" self back to the "victim".

    The "victim" feels empowered due to feeling her OWN sense of self.

    However, she does not realize that he only mirrored her.

    She needs to get what he mirrored from other sources so she can have it without having him.

    Because, in the end, the self he,initially, mirrored back to her, he will destroy.

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  4. Reeks of fatalist poetic justice. Reality is rather distant in this one. I wonder who wrote it. It's exactly the stuff I would write for this site.

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  5. Well, respond Gag. What are you? A tease?

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  6. Gag
    What do you mean "reality" is rather distant in this one"

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  7. TNP

    do you really think I listen to my stomach? Is that what you thought listing to your "gut" means? Some people call it your gut, some call it intuition, another good word is your instincts. It all is a part of your mind, the thoughts you have before motives or rationalising kick in.

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  8. Anon, that's exactly how I've described it - it was like two mirrors face to face, infinitely reflecting the same image. I didn't know where I stopped and he began. My words came out of his mouth, his out of mine. I knew every reaction, every response before he evinced it. It changed everything I've ever assumed about human identity and autonomy, and I've spent years trying to piece together a reality that can accommodate the experience.

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  9. Yes J
    It is a strange fun house mirrors thing.
    I agree :)

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  10. J
    Describe your background? Describe your sense of how you feel about yourself?

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  11. No sweetcheeks. I'm well aware of what gut reactions are.

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  12. I'll give you what a think is most relevant for this medium. I'm a widower of four and half years, and was more vulnerable to predation than I realized. I had already spent a couple of years rebuilding my sense of identity, so it's possible that I was already on shaky ground. The socio unsurprisingly destabilized that almost to the point of oblivion. My only professional diagnoses have been PTSD from watching my partner die, and ensuing depression. I've examined other possible disorders with both my therapist and my shrink, but I'm assured that I'm pretty damn healthy for my own good. It FEELS borderline, or schizotypal, but I don't meet criteria, and, in fact, manifest mostly the opposite of many of the symptoms. I can tell you that emotionally, I am dead inside, and can feel and think like a sociopath now, but my residual, native empathy won't allow me to cross the line, nor would I want to.

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  13. Yes, I understand all that you say :)

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  14. Fuck off Erin/ami.

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  15. No, though am sometimes just too lazy and selfish. Well, the last few paragraphs seems too intent to express some kind of causal symmetry or linearity, exactly the kind of stuff I like to conclude, but I suspect reality is perhaps more chaotic and disjointed. The so called 'outcast' could equally turn out to be an average Joe, as a well as serial killer or village shaman depending not only on other variables but personal choice as well.

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  16. Another tumblr beeper who thinks shes a socioOctober 17, 2011 at 9:08 AM

    psycho-cunt:

    Sociopaths and narcissists aren’t remotely the same. Don’t insult me.

    I plan, I act, and I achieve.

    Narcs plan, attempt to act, fail, and lie to themselves by saying that they didn’t even need to achieve what they wanted in the first place because they’re better than that.

    Pathetic.

    Disgusting.

    And most of all delusional.

    I don’t care if I don’t know you; if you’re a narcissist I already despise you. I would love to fuck you all over—one by fucking one— and finally make you realize you’re a worthless, useless, piece of shit and I would enjoy every fucking minute of it.

    I don’t care if I’m sadistic sometimes, I really don’t.

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  17. Another tumblr beeper who thinks shes a socioOctober 17, 2011 at 9:10 AM

    I'm a Sociopath.

    I love games, I love making people tick, and most of all I love control. Sometimes I can be a little sadistic.

    I'm the queen of observation.

    Your habits and weaknesses are my fascination.

    If you're remotely interesting I'll follow you.

    Female. Canadian. White. Bisexual.

    Ask me something. I'll answer anything.

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  18. I bet sociopathworld had lots of people like that before UKan came around.

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  19. J. sounds like Erin lol her PDs shift with the planets

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  20. Lol about Erin and her PD's

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  21. The funny thing about issues like the above is that everyone insists that someone who is - a sociopath, a hypochondriac, has multiple personality disorder, OCD, ADD, or paranoia, or anything of the sort, really - has to have every single symptom in order to be whatever it is. People believe it has to be to the extreme, or it isn’t actually there.

    While there are many sociopaths that don’t have any sort of connection to any other human being on the planet, there are some - maybe few, but they’re still there - that grow attached. Maybe it’s just to one person, or maybe that rule doesn’t apply to them (though, that’s a case I’ve yet to see), but my point is that not all of the “rules” above apply to every sociopath out there, and it is ignorant to believe they do.

    Obvious aspie is obvious.

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  22. @Bisexual Female White Canadian Sociopath

    How does it feel to be America's hat?

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  23. erin has a new picture on her blog.

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  24. @Bisexual Female White Canadian Sociopath

    Can you cook?

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  25. "While there are many sociopaths that don’t have any sort of connection to any other human being on the planet, there are some - maybe few, but they’re still there - that grow attached. Maybe it’s just to one person, or maybe that rule doesn’t apply to them (though, that’s a case I’ve yet to see), but my point is that not all of the “rules” above apply to every sociopath out there, and it is ignorant to believe they do."

    that sounds like change the diagnoses to suit myself, zhawq speak.

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  26. tnp, sweetcheeks, gag, anon, ami/erin, or others who understand personal, automnomous "gut", do you think that listening to it, without doubting and vacillating is a symptom of sociopathy, or a symptom of being around sociopath?

    If one of your parents told you at a very impressionable age, that men often say "I love you" in the midst of sex, and that you should take it lightly, do you become sociopathic, and one who views "love" and closeness as a lie?

    Has anyone ever felt like them being born has "ruined" one of your parents?

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  27. @BFWCS

    If you could be a tree what would you be?

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  28. @Bisexual Female White Canadian Sociopath

    Chocolate or vanilla?

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  29. Sam vaknin, now that's a true psychopath for you.

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  30. *NOT listening to your gut, that it.

    That's more bpd, isn't it?
    Or do sociopaths ever question their gut?

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  31. @Hot socio girl id hit....... with a bus

    What are you wearing?

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  32. Sociopaths are like feral, primal animals who live by the gut.

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  33. @BFWCS

    Are you single and if so are you ok with polygamy? Sometimes I gotta show my hoes who is boss with my dick instead of my pimp hand. It's strictly professional.

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  34. yes, I agree with the primal instincts of the socio....but do they ever question their gut?

    Also, do they ever go thru a mid-life crisis?

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  35. @Bisexual Female White Canadian Sociopath

    Since were like both socios can we hook up and agree not to be socios to each other cuz like I don't need no drama.

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  36. how can one have a flexible sense of self and ALSO be a primal instinctual thing...I mean, does your gut just shift, and that's why you feel confused? Do socios get confused and that's why they "lie" to themselves so damned much?

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  37. "Also, do they ever go thru a mid-life crisis?"

    the socio is constantly in a midlife crisis.

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  38. @socio girl with tumble
    I dont know what tumblr is but id like to tumble with you LOL. We can tumble all day and maybe get a side of tumbling with dinner and a smoke. Do you tumble often and if so do you do it professionally? Ive always wanted to tumble with a professional tumbler.

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  39. Anon 9:31
    Watch a feral tiger hunt. The sociopath is in touch with his primal instincts.

    A sense of self is separate from that. An animal does not have a sense of self, as we humans define it, but it has primal instincts to which it adheres.

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  40. 932
    is that a joke, or are you serious?

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  41. Aonymous 932
    Indeed

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  42. im so fucking bored right now, i hate everyone so much..i hate the world, there was this preppy boy who teased me for being fat, so i called him gay to his FACE lol im so fucken callous

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  43. Tumbling professionalOctober 17, 2011 at 9:37 AM

    When I tumble people notice -- mostly because it makes a loud noise and shakes the ground.

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  44. i am a remorseless predatory pos, but i love my family

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  45. I hate everyone around me. They're all sheep being led to the slaughterhouse of the mundane. I'd wake them up but I'm too busy applying a new coat if Black No. 1 while I sharpen my index finger nail. I HATE my blonde roots and supple body. I wish people saw me for the real vampire I am.

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  46. there was this guy , an associate who could have been useful to me, who had been fucking following me around trying to date me, and I finally told him I was gay. He said he "turns" us lesbos and made tongue curling move super fast like he was licking my clit in he air, and I just said "I am going to throw up" He doesn't bother me anymore.

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  47. @Bisexual Female White Canadian Sociopath

    Are you ok with eugenics?

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  48. You too!

    <3

    No homo

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  49. i post pictures of gore and upside down crucifixes on my page, i love rape and torture, but george bush is an evil scumbag

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  50. I shoplift and never tip, but I think Dick Cheney is robo-satan.

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  51. Bisexual Female White Canadian SociopathOctober 17, 2011 at 9:52 AM

    Yes to all of the above. No I won't do anal.

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  52. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23gj4ZsjX7s

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  53. @BFWCS

    No anal? Sorry thats a deal breaker.

    But im not actually sorry cuz im a socio LOOOOOOL!

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  54. http://aftermath-surviving-psychopathy.org/radio/index.php/2011/10/10/consequences-for-leaving-the-psychopath-stalking-lying-manipulation-are-you-prepared/

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  55. i wish there where more psychos here

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  56. does anybody want to stalk me :D

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  57. Oh baby baby have you seen Amy tonight?
    Is she in the bathroom is she smokin' up outside?
    Oh baby baby does she take a piece of lime
    For the drink that I'mma buy her do you know just what she likes?

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  58. I really enjoyed reading this mornings comments.

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  59. You have been hit by

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  60. "After being outside for long enough, our alien will have learned to appreciate his position. He is out of the forest and can see the trees. He can see the herd for what it is, the faults, the failures, the bureacracy and its inability to perform a logic check its own reasoning. Depending on how badly he's been treated, he will often attempt to help the individuals in the herd and free them from their ignorance. Enlighten them as to their position. They will retaliate and be scared, refuse to believe the ideas of the outcast because he's been flagged as dangerous."


    It sounds like Jukka Sarasti at the end of Blindsight when he tries to get help from Siri Keaton and revolt against the AI before he dies.

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  61. how can one have a flexible sense of self and ALSO be a primal instinctual thing.

    A flexible sense of self, pressed into the service of sating primal instinct.

    Someone with a tentative sense of self may not be able to  identify the need, mirroring is like handing them a teat of crack.   A sociopath is consumed by the need and will modify their presentation in calculated pursuit.

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  62. Ami was epoch defining. Pre the exchange of awareness, swordplay and humor, Post a  jizzfest, use of clubs for combat and still funny.   Someone comes here to bleed and  the scent changes the tone.  So socio boys & girls is that a strength or a weakness? What, if anything does it say about her power?  

    It would seem a sociopath's opportunities for awareness and exchange might in life, be somewhat proscribed.  In that context, It is fascinating how this has become a beeper dating site.  Carry on.

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  63. not to be confused with Ami.

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  64. ukan + misanthrope + medusa + unsuspecting dumbass = more interesting than this

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  65. It certainly sounds like Notable. Especiall the whole: "people are inherently still animals" angle. Didn't TNP say something like that recently?

    Anyway, I've tried to go a week without the comment section, to see if I'd suffer withdrawal or something like that. I failed, but it was nice to take a break for a while. But what's with all the tumbleweeds?

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  66. If Ami/ Erin has so much power then why does she hide as anon in the comments section

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  67. people are animals.
    evolutionary psychology is the most powerful theory to understand people's motives and behaviours.

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  68. agreed it sounds like tnp - he should get a blog ;)

    glad erin seems to have fucked off. can't understand why anyone was reading her comments let alone responding to them and thereby encouraging more.

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  69. I forgot to mention that I agree with today's notable guest poster. Behaviour that most people would classify as "weird", "unnatural" or even "evil" makes much more sense if you take away the pretense of civilization and change the setting to "the time when grass huts were still considered to be a bit hoity-toity".

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  70. ME, I thought today was good.
    The stupid shit seems to be going to the Forum.

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  71. I bet Frank is here looking for the beeper of his dreams

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  72. im a epoch :) come to my blog if you want to talk

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  73. I want nice ass and tits.

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  74. You can find it, Frank.

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  75. I am sure you are an everything man, Frank.

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  76. Jason.
    I like the whole turkey.

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  78. That was not me.
    That was Jason.
    I was talking about turkey and stuffing Yum

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  79. That was not me. I don't even like turkey. Stop copying me, Jason.

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  80. Do you like bi racial mutton, young mutton or old wrinkled mutton?

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  81. I like retarded mutton.

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  82. UKan What kind of mutton do you fancy?

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  83. I won't go down on mutton.

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  84. UKan Use The TolietOctober 17, 2011 at 5:11 PM

    I POOPED TODAY :D

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  85. Thank you for sharing, UKan.

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  86. UKan with Body OdorOctober 17, 2011 at 5:23 PM

    Do you smell anything?

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  87. Ukan Menage a ToisOctober 17, 2011 at 5:26 PM

    Do I have to eat two mutton at the same time?

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  88. No, thanks.

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  89. My piss smells like asparagus.

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  90. Ukan Eat My Bum HoleOctober 17, 2011 at 5:35 PM

    please with your tongue

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  91. Hmmm not too bad.

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  92. your done,Jason

    now ukan is going to turn your hide into wee lil crisps

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  93. You ever tasted mutton, Jason?

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  94. going giving my pillow some head (and whoever i dream about which is probably some hunky black guy with a massive cock)

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  95. Frank
    Do you swing both ways?

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  96. I am heterosexual, Jason.

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  97. you are my idol, Jason

    such a great job with copying ukan

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  98. Piles
    Which UKan is your favorite, if you could pick just one?

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  99. TNP
    Do you partake of mutton?

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  100. I spank me wanka and cry :(

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  101. TNP
    Any tips for mutton eating?

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  102. I have been called an expert in mutton eating.
    They have to bathe, first, though, or mutton is a no go.

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  103. Jason, I am not an expert. I am good, but expert is too strong a word.

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  104. my right leg feels parolysinsed,

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  105. good i hope you die nasty bitch

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  106. TNP
    Want a taste of mutton?

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  107. Strange.

    Someone tell a story to get our blood pumping.

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  108. "ResCogitans said...
    people are animals.
    evolutionary psychology is the most powerful theory to understand people's motives and behaviours."

    Or sociobiology, as there is a subtle difference.


    "Frank said...
    ME, I thought today was good.
    The stupid shit seems to be going to the Forum."

    Spoken too soon lol.

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  109. All this talk about mutton is driving me crazy.

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  110. I didn't have anything to do with this article, nor is the above imposter me.

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  111. I wrote it. Thanks for the compliments. Proof: deathdust.deviantart.com

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