Sunday, October 30, 2011

Emotional appendixes

Here is an interesting podcast on happiness economics. Starting at the 40:30 mark, there is an even more interesting discussion of evolutionary psychology. Professor Epstein explains the Darwinian insight that emotions are not insulated from evolutionary pressures. Nature does not trust the really important human behaviors to reasoning, but rather reinforces them with emotions. The prime example of this is procreation and raising children. There is a physical incentive to have sex, but the incentive to stick around and make sure that the offspring actually survive to reach the age of reproduction is emotional. Parents feel a "natural love" for their children. This natural love leads them to enjoy benefits to their children as they would enjoy benefits to themselves. That's why providing for one's children is not just a chore that we do rationally to propagate the species, but also one that we get emotional rewards from.

What does this mean for the sociopath? Well, sociopaths are not as much subject to the whims of "nature" and genetic/emotional programming as the majority of the human population. This is good because sociopaths have more freedom of thought and action. But it's bad because genetic/emotional programming was put there for a reason. Part of this reason has to do with our hunter-gatherer past, and is less important now -- sort of an emotional appendix or tail. Think about how inappropriate and disruptive our fight/flight instincts are in everyday life. On the other hand, some emotional programming is essential for our society to continue functioning as usual.

Sociopaths may be ahead of the curve when it comes to outdated emotional responses (the appendixes of the emotional spectrum), but behind the curve when it comes to good, rational, self-benefiting decisions that are reinforced in neurotypical people with emotions. Wouldn't it be nice to have rational decisions reinforced by emotion? If for no other reason, for the increase in utility and pleasure that emotional reinforcement would provide. There are obvious examples of the body rewarding necessary behavior with physical pleasure or the absence of pain: sex, eating, drinking, urinating, etc. For the empaths they also get emotional pleasure from things like cooperating, providing, and altruism. I feel a lot of satisfaction from doing things well, so I usually like to cooperate and be a contributing member of society. But wouldn't it be great if you also got intense emotional pleasure from it? If you could add pleasure to that equation, why wouldn't you?

For those of you who are interested, here is a little bit more information about evolutionary psychology and emotions from one of the comments regarding the podcast. The author of the comment is discussing the Robert Wright's book, The Moral Animal.
He is using Darwins life to describe some of the findings around sexual selection, kin selection and individual "striving" if you will (that is my words not Wrights). In one chapter he is talking about How Darwin and his wife reacted to the loss of children. He had one die soon after birth or maybe stillborn and another when (s)he was 8-10 yrs old. Well they reacted quite differently to both situations and were much more distraught in the second case. Why? It could be explained by the changes in their own lives at the time, where Darwin was in his work, the age of his wife etc etc. When you look at it simply as return on investment into genetic material passing to the future it begins to make sense. Someone you had invested more money ,time and effort into and was closer to reproductive age would be harder to lose than one lost right out of the gate. Similarly its been found that ,generally, once they are past the age of reproduction there is a dropoff in the "grief factor" following a death. This does not make us cold hearted computers driven by a DNA chip it is what makes us human. This behavior is noted in other species of animals as well. Our primate relatives "favor" the child they have invested the most in as well, and the one that has the better chance of passing on the genes.

145 comments:

  1. "I usually like to cooperate and be a contributing member of society. But wouldn't it be great if you also got intense emotional pleasure from it? If you could add pleasure to that equation, why wouldn't you?"
    Well, why don't you? In another post (a scary one about bloodlust) you write about how it is easy for you to 'get into' new pleasures; why not make a pleasure out of helping people and making them happy? If you really have such great insight and people skills, you could build people up as easily as you can break them down. You could add 'psychiatrist' to your list of suitable professions; wouldn't that be something?

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  2. Oh evolutionary psychology, I took a course on that last semester and even went on a fieldtrip to Indiana U. to the Kinsey institute and I have to say the ideas of E. Psych and maybe the idea of those of us considered 'insane' might actually have, rather, a form of 'super sanity'. Food for thought of things that were discussed in that class.

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  3. Just enjoy and don't let my troubles enter your mind. We are just getting to know each other so you are unsure. Just know I plan for tomorrow always but try to enjoy each day for what it is.

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  4. Bella ..........

    what is your angle, Bella?

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  5. Jane, you ignorant Slut.

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  6. you mean so "out there' that they make a full circle into a deeper sanity than most because of all the things absorbed along the way ?

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  7. Lovers and madmen have such seething brains,
    Such shaping fantasies, that apprehend
    More than cool reason ever comprehends

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  8. ah the socios. charming on the outside. raging on the inside.

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  9. Missus Kanney said...
    "no kidding. Women and i don't usually get along. I get along with intelligence and i can smell dumb people."

    What are you saying? Women are dumb?

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  10. Fluffy I like your style

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  11. Think of the humor in a woman who hates woman getting the name Fluffy lmfao

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  12. I like what we have going on and I am not ready to talk about my present day issues yet. All in due time. It's not my favorite subject and I know what I have to do.

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  13. If you really have such great insight and people skills, you could build people up as easily as you can break them down.

    Why not both? Break them down, then build them up. I did it with one of my earners.
    She was always short, because she was bad with money and a people pleaser. She liked to give her "friends" discounts out of her commission. I didn't want her doing that because it's unprofessional, she doesn't make money, they weren't her real friends, and I wanted her to have REAL motivation not one that came from her chasing her self esteem.
    She bucked all over the place. She was short every week, and every week I would stare at her angry. She would cry and threaten to quit. She did the poor little me act for a while, but I just looked at her even more angry because she was being fucking weak.

    She usually wouldn't take out more than her cut I was going to pay her anyway, but if you allow someone to keep taking their own advances they will soon be dipping into your money as well.

    She ended up dipping in my money anyway and I put her through it. I put two points on what she owed me, and told her that the interest would accumulate weekly. Soon she would be working for free. She had the money back to me before the end of the week.

    She used to beg to have my wife do the count, because my wife wouldn't interrogate her throughout the entire ordeal. I would still have words for her, but not doing the count on her for some reason calmed me somewhat.

    Several months ago she became my bread and butter. She has done better than any earner I've had. She went from people pleaser into a cold piece of work. She doesn't discount anything and all the money is there. She got a job as well (though she wants to quit it and just do this). She's making 4000 a month just off of this, which isn't bad at all. She even tries to convince me to raise prices on people. I had a old client call and complain about her being a prick to him. It put a smile on my face. I've always told her that these fiends aren't her friends. They just want drugs. Once she realized it and started treating them like rubbish she started going places. The irony is that she still can't manage her OWN finances.

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  14. Being in a relationship or living with a sociopath means having your reality altered (evolution). This goes for any stronge personality type that has to be dominant.

    If you wern't codependant you will become so through tweaking and subte perception influences. You'll adjust your percection of reality so that you can survive and sustain and continue being togeether.

    You can believe these changes are making you a stronger person, but when you value your relationship above your own core values you are evolving into them, not becoming your best but theirs, not achieving your full potential but theirs.

    That makes you an enabler and you will always be trading off your own needs to take care of theirs.

    How long can someone go on like that?

    Maybe till everything you worked for is distroyed by the relationship, or your reduced to just existing and waiting for the next crumb from your master's table.
    Or maybe you criticze and devalue every because of couse no one is knowledgeable and their all jealous of the amazing bond you have with one another.

    So the need to make yourself seem superior is only a survival tactic.

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  15. Yes Ukan truth always breaks down so it can rebuild, when it's done with that purpose.

    Cuts thruogh the bullshit when it's done right.

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  16. Sounds like you are talking about yourself tik. Not everyone is making your mistakes. The funny thing is that you talk about the need to feel superior, when that is all you do here. Your constant need to protect everyone and help people comes from your own vanity that you don't deserve. You're a sucker trying to act world wise. The same things you consider a strength in yourself, your extreme empathy, was also your downfall. How can you lecture on successful relationships when you can't even raise your own daughter to have one.

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  17. I had a spouse who always gave the customers a discount too. I lectured and picked up the slack. I got sick and tired of his weak nature. I divorced him. That may seem callous and I won't go on and on with my trivial details because they're so very booooooooooring. But i am happier without that ball and chain know whattttt ahm sayin yo? I work LESS and have more money now than with that weakling, wasteful earner in my household. I don't brag. Well, yes I do. But I state facts because I am tired of the whiners. Funny, I have pseudo empathy, but no sympathy... hmm. Feeling a bit full of myself today.
    Gotta go!

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  18. @Ukan, I have seen you attack many people on here. You are newly married, so do not have children, I assume. You know nothing about raising children because you have not. On this one point alone, it is utter hubris to attack another persons child, as I have seen you do, on numerous occasions. From what I have seen of you, you will cast this aside, as you do most constructive criticism. However,I would rather hear about things about which you know, than things which are out in the future for you, and with which you have had no experience.

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  19. It is not that it is trivial Bella, it is that it is something that I deal with daily. I spend most of my time focused on it and I enjoy not having to talk about it when I get to.

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  20. You are right, I don't like feeling like I am whining about it, but it has nothing to do with being full of myself. I am in a playful mood today...

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  21. Yes Ukan truth always breaks down so it can rebuild

    How did you even conjure up this nonsense out of my story. You are a fool. It wasn't the Truth breaking down you stupid bitch it was her weakness breaking down.

    You wouldn't know that because you wear your weaknesses on your fucking sleeve. That's why you get taken advantage of, Tik. Your controlled by your fear. Your fear of what people will think of you or your actions. You want to see the world from everyones eyes, so it allows you to be blinded by the visions of those who can con even themselves so that you only see what he wants you to see. What you prided yourself on, what you thought was your strength turned into your greatest weakness because you were so hap hazard with your empathy. How dare you lecture us when you have failed at your age to build strong enough defenses to at least be able to raise a daughter who repeated your mistakes. You are like a disease. How does it feel knowing that your weakness has given root in your seed? Have you ever thought of that?

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  22. Go back to your big-bad-world-proof bunker, Erin/Ami/Caroline/Irene/Harv. I can tell you're trying, but you're still as transparent as always. Stop talking.

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  23. Ukan your projeecting had no effect on me. You can groom the people around you to believe your bs but not someone who's life your not part of.

    Oh yea by the way my daughter almost done with her internship and is focusing on her future.

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    1. Probably killing people at tje hospital at this moment.

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  24. Maybe you should be more clear Ukan about the point you want to make.

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  25. Oh yea by the way my daughter almost done with her internship and is focusing on her future.

    Translation:
    Oh yeah by the way my daughter has almost accomplished something and is thinking of accomplishing more.

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  26. Laughing my ass off xoxoxo

    You made my day Ukan

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  27. This place is fucked up. Need I tell you that?

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  28. @Harv, I get called every name under the sun, even that cunt Erin.

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  29. I am one snowflake in many and they all melt away where you live. Isn't it better to just enjoy the snowflake while it falls in front of your face or are you trying to catch me in a jar to keep? I thought you just enjoyed the care free falling so I didn't think we needed to go there but maybe I was wrong.

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  30. snowflake

    socios just wanna squish others

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  31. does socios think that everyone is another person?

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  32. does socios be abnormally paranoid?

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  33. Being in a relationship does not mean having your reality altered. My husband would say that he's changed my perspective, but he hasn't even done that. Being in a relationship gives you power of understanding into different cultures, insights into different people, places, things, and altered views on perspective, so thereby you are able to learn, grow and formulate more complex and different opinions. Not necessarily from that persons perspective, but from their perspective combined with your own. That doesn't alter your reality, so much as it expands your comprehension of what actually is reality. With my husband a lot about my perspective changed not because he told me who to be or how to be, but because my spectrum of the world was widened by delving into the drug world and seeing so many people at their worst. Before that point I had been much more optimistic about people, but being immersed in a drug culture made me more jaded toward the people I was seeing. Now, I am trying to see both aspects of people; their inner idiotic animal, combined with their higher aspirations to build beyond that. I'm beginning to see people realistically, and more factually than before. Not because my husband told me too, but because seeing both sides so clearly gives me the insight I need to see the reality of a person.
    Sometimes I miss my naivite. Its nice feeling people are super, but it was foolish and misleading for my life. So I am glad to be able to grow now, and now to figure out the foundations of psychology even better I hope to study as many cultures as i can to get more to the root of what people are, and not so much who they are. Understanding people empathetically was not a skill, it was a natural disposition, but understanding people fundamentally will be invaluable to me.

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  34. That is an excellent goal, Missus.

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  35. barf! they are all assholes and nothing more

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  36. barfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarfbarf

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  37. I'm not a socio Erin. Just jaded.

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  38. Medusa and Ukan are barf

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  39. Erin is on her blog, if anyone misses her, but I can't understand why that would be.

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  40. Eden and Misses are double barf

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  41. That FlawedDiamond girl is annoying. Like the girl version of Luke.

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  42. For the record I never said I changed my wife's perspective I said the opposite. I said that trying to take people's empathy destroys them. You can't force empathetic people to think like a sociopath, because it drives them insane.

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  43. That FlawedDiamond girl is annoying. Like the girl version of Luke.

    I agree

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  44. I'm not attacking or putting down your marriage.
    I was addressing how you interacted with a good amount of the poster's on this blog, including me.

    On several occasions you called me idiot.

    Now if you knew me and I was being an idiot or we were having a conversation it might have been appropiate, but that wasn't the case. I asked you to back it up, and you didn't.

    This is a strange enough place to go but it's been a growing experience for me. I am not a victim and I don't complain about my life so I don't find any value in being insulted for precieved incompetence for my beliefs or existence.

    I will try to curb my mother hen instints to defend those I consider being unjustly or roughly judged, it's much harder for me to do that when the one it's coming from is working on becoming a therapist.
    or those who have been in the same position.

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  45. Tik, I dot remember saying anything to you one way or the other I only remember you being a non factor. You're trying to be Ike soulful. The compassionate savior to a sociopath blog. Your mother hen instincts are not a valuable asset to you here. Who are you protecting but yourself anyways? Your self righteous, as Eden said, hall monitor attitude is misplaced. If you want respect from me, come on here with an opinion instead of this amiable savior role you're playing. I'm harsh, I'm not dishonest. And who are you to determine how I should run my therapy? Its a misconception that therapists have to be open minded to the extreme that they are blinded to the truth of their patients. That's how they get put together by sociopaths. Sometimes calling people on their lies to themselves is exactly what they need, and at this blog, its what people like you come here for. You, like all the other victims, are looking for someone to see through you, and when I start reading more of your comments maybe il give you the satisfaction. So far I think you're trite and boring, but maybe you'll surprise me.
    Sweetcheeks did. Though I don't entirely believe that she actually will leave her husband, I think her acknowledging her plans to is a positive truth for her to have accepted. What are yours, Im ready to hear what you can't confront, too.

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  46. ukan = worst therapist ever

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  47. Who's lying to themselves.
    He hasn't changed your perspective, he just thinks he has?

    Are you going to be a therapist to all the damaged people who tryed to self medicate their miserable lives after they buy drugs from you?

    I'd say thats quit a ingenious way to drum up future bussinss.

    Then you and your husband can laugh at all the fools that come to you and use their stories on the blog.

    Just saying

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  48. I have the perfect job. I get paid for fucking with people.

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  49. We'll laugh all the way to the bank... its called networking.

    My husband and I make a good team theraputically. He breaks things down. I like to bring honesty from that. People can't stop lying to themselves until their preconceptions fail them. My husband has a way of pulling preconceptions apart. Il think its a brilliant strategy, don't you? Upward mobility.

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  50. i dream they both get jailed to save the blog

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  51. Are you going to be a therapist to all the damaged people who tryed to self medicate their miserable lives after they buy drugs from you?

    Lol, that's pretty funny.

    But you know, tik, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

    Blame the self-medication on the drugs and you fail.

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  52. You get paid to be a bully. Which is great for you because that power struggle is the only thing you've ever been good at.

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  53. Spoken like a true spawn of a deamon.

    I suppose you'll instill those tools into your children's lives if you get the chance to raise them.
    I'm sure theres quit a few years of prison time for an accomplice in your country.

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  54. Well Fuck me, Kanney You, the power tripper, saying something like that. You and I should go in to business.

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  55. No kidding. I've witnessed that first hand. People will always find drugs when they want to. They have ways of circumnavigating any challenge to get them. And if you think its the drugs that do it think again. People crave the quick fix. Its a personality type, and they aren't usually the ones who do well or seek therapy. Not until they hit their bottom, and I don't plan to be that kind of a therapist. I've seen my fill of dope fiends. Drug counseling is not going to be my area of expertise, believe me. I've had enough dealing with my shaman to want to deal with any more people who don't want to help themselves

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  56. @Kanney, how about I join you and your husband.We can fuck people three ways, shit therapy, drugs and a rotten cop.

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  57. I'll take the high road and you take the low road Misses, and see who0 goes to jail.

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  58. @Tik, you can quickly see the ones with empathy on here.

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  59. ukan cant care about anyone

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  60. abuse is therapy pmsl

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  61. Kanney would be a terrible therapist by the sounds of it...I've had different therapists and I find the 'cold' therapists to be disengaging and unhelpful...I don't want a therapist that gets emotinally involved...But I don't want a cold hearted bitch that can't engage with her clients...Turns out, i'm not the only one who thinks that..My friend feels the same and says his therapist is useless because of her cold, disengaging manner and another client that I speak with from time to time in the waiting area feels the same! Honestly Missus, your clients wont respond well to that sort of attitude, assuming that's your approach to therapy. And calling distressed people victims??? Some of them ARE victims...Like victims of abuse of all kinds.

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  62. Missus is a victim and she hates seeing herself in victims here

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  63. Perhaps, when she has more personal maturity, she will be OK as a therapist. She seems rather immature to be dealing with adult problems which clients would bring.

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  64. completely condescending as if her battered ass opinion means anything

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  65. I'm very sorry I forgot to mention Frank and Gary. Could you please shut up now?

    Lol, "spawn of a daemon".

    Begone! The power of Christ compels you!

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  66. I'll take the high road and you take the low road

    Isn't that what you've always done Tik, taken the high road. You are are hypocrite. You talk of manipulation, but you shove this religous shite down people's throat like they were your daughters. You talk of arrogance, but it's you who spends a majority of your comments throwing turnips at people that don't fit in your narrow minded dogmatic view of the world.
    What you preach isn't christianity, because that means christ like. You are nothing of the sort. Jesus didn't judge people and condemn people like you. He didn't tell people they are going to prison. He didn't follow the law, as a matter of fact he got the death penalty.

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  67. Lol.
    To Medusa, I agree completely. Seeing as many drug addicts as we do I've learned it has nothing to do with the drugs. People crave them, and will find any way to circumnavigate the challenges of getting them. The social issue of drugs has little to do with the people who sell them, but to do with the people too afraid to face their problems. I have no intention of going into therapy with drug counseling of any kind. I've had enough of that with my shaman. I dont intend to try to help any more people who have no interest In helping themselves and are only looking for someone to carry them.
    And frankly, I'm not going to come onto a sociopath blog relating to the people I talk to.

    Therapeutic styles vary, and just because you weren't ready to face the truth in therapy doesn't mean it's an ineffective tactic. If you want soft and feely responses to your issues get a girlfriend. That's not my role.
    And to Gary, that's actually a brilliant edition I hadn't yet considered. That's a beautiful monopoly!

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  68. Vertical integration

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  69. Who says I wasn't ready to face the truth? Where did you get that assumption? I was talking about how therapists get negative feedback when they don't engage in their clients...Engaging doesn't mean being soft at all...I'm sorry you're not yet mature enough to understand that...The truth of the matter is, Kanney, you can be brutally honest with your clients WITHOUT leaving your clients feeling cold and unfulfilled...I'm very much aware that there's different approaches to therapy, I was remarking on how your approach could be unhelpful.

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  70. You're a piece of shit at the bottom of my shoe.October 30, 2011 at 3:10 PM

    Bwahahah! Caroline make a great point Missus. You despise seeing your own victim like qualities in other people. Was that before or after Ukan drove you to suicide? Let me guess, he then taught you it was wrong to be so weak and compassionate. So here you are! On a socio blog calling others 'victims.' Hmm...

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  71. @shit at bottom shoe

    I heard about that...Not sure if there's any truth to it but it would be nice to find the quote from Ukan about it..

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  72. Well you too are a perfect match for each other and thank you for the free advice, too bad it doesn't apply.

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  73. @Kanney, the problem with our cozy threesome would be that your husband would get us all killed when he opened his pie hole, one time too many.

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  74. You forget that I'm the only one getting away with a crime here Gary. It's not my mouth we would need to worry about. Especially when you are the one on here pretending to be a cop.

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  75. @You're a piece of shit on the bottom of my shoe Rolfl

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  76. Haha. You think because I am indifferent to people I speak to on a blog that il be unable to connect with my patients? Believe it or not, people love telling me about their lives, and consistantly feel bonds toward me, and from me that i never make. My husband comes home all the time telling me about people who just know how much I care about them, and tell him to tell me hello. They miss me, and assure him of our deep connections and friendships. As i said, people just want you to listen to them, and they feign their own connections. As long as you don't give any information about yourself, and understand what they say when they talk, people will always love you.
    I wasn't going to come onto this blog with my usual quiet understanding. I didn't think the tactic wise. I'm not trying to relate to all the victims in the room, as i said. Let me reiterate... this is a Sociopath blog. The victims come and go. I don't need them to like me, they're unimportant. Their insignificance is refreshing, as in real life I have to approach them with a certain degree of civility. This place is valuable because the truth here, comes out. I have no civil obligations to you, as you will never have any effect on my life.

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  77. I'm a personal trainer

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  78. I'm a computer software geek

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  79. The fucking village people are here. I love how all of a sudden we have all these obscure first name shadow accounts.

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  80. I tricked all of you again. You people are so easily fooled. You never know who I will be next.

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  81. I lied. I'm a respiratory therapist.

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  82. Lol.
    Oooooooo. Socio- Ghosties in the world.
    We believed the whole time, and we were... wait? What were we? Tricked, duped, hooked, confused? We were none of those things, but if we were, why were we? What did he get done by his masquerade?

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  83. jason=village idiot

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  84. I lied. I am in the Mafia.

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  85. My mother betrayed me. She never cared about me all she cared about was herself. She is the reincarnation of her mother. I couldn't bare her anymore. She let me get molested. I killed myself more because she didn't care than because her husband molested me.

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  86. An interesting point:
    Medusa brought up the point of people kill people, and i think that has an interesting association with the emotional maturity accusations.
    I used to feel a certain degree of sympathy for poor helpless drug users as being irresponsible for their own plight, but that the world abandoned them. Regarding emotional maturity, I know now that nothing happens so one sidedly. Sympathy is a wasted emotion because all things happen with equal degrees of responsibility on either side. The balance, if you will, is maintained consistantly. Sympathy is what you have for people when you are weak yourself, and feel that the world owes you and others. Responsibility and emotional maturity comes when you can see the desires in people for the world to be fair to them because they deserve it, and you can begin earning your recognition not in ways that elicit sympathy, but in ways that evoke bitter hatreds for your successes. You can start to look down on people at a certain point not because you are better, but because their hatred and misunderstanding deserve it. That is what they earn by their ideas of entitlement.

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  87. That ^ is just rationalizing.

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  88. Your definition of emotioal maturity is the definition of not taking responsibility of your own actions.

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  89. @Missus, you have some good points. I would like to study it, and come back and pick your brain, if I could.

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  90. Tik, I've suspected for a while now, but now I'm certain. You're dumb.
    What I said is actually the opposite of what you inferred, and your incomprehension of my point helps for the case and point.

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  91. @Missus, I will be off and on because I am at work, but I wanted to take several of your points and discuss them.

    First, your point about how no one cares about your problems, but wants you to listen to theirs. I think this is a very insightful point. Can you tell me how you came to have this insight?

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  92. Lol. You try to say it like that to give it a level of incredibility, but it's just as true even with the tone youre aiming for.

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  93. @Missus, you have me, totally wrong. I have come to a similar conclusion recently, even though I am not a therapist. I have come to it as a life lesson. You, simply, verbalized it, for me.

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  94. UKandle said...
    "The fucking village people are here."

    LMAO! Delivered right on time lol.

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  95. sociopath though hate, I, like want sociopath, be, yet better, narcissist, mal

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  96. Hey Gary. Wanna meet up and become the new hillside stranglers?

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  97. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzeNAUOp17c

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  98. Boring SW day?
    I went roller skating!

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  99. I guess Eden. I am getting intimate right now...

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  100. Yeah his name is Bud last name Weiser . I never realized till tonight that I love Bud and he loves me and we can share all of our troubles together lol.

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  101. Really I am just have a few and watching some zombie action, but it sounded good ;)

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  102. I prefer Bourbon.
    Why work so hard to get your buzz on? I'm a "cut to the chase" kind of girl.

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  103. one bourbon, one scotch, and one beer...

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  104. lol i had some cocktails last night so tonight is just relax mode....i had the best jello shots though. they had gummy worms soaked in rum that were in the jello shots

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  105. That actually sounds pretty yummy.

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  106. Eden

    When you get manic, do you get waves of electricity through your body? The other night, my toes to my fingers just starting tingling like my veins where pumping pure ecstasy.

    I don't talk about my mania to others so I was wondering if it was the same.

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  107. It's like any touch will set me off.

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  108. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvNL_u6IaRM

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  109. I like that song and that movie, but I hope you don't want to stab me ;)

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  110. I can imagine ukan saying that to the bar girl at his club LOL!

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  111. I think he is smarter than that. He is the guy you don't want to fuck over or you will see him standing out your window with a baseball bat.

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  112. ukan -- tony montana
    tnp -- dexter
    m.e. -- the great wizard of oz
    misanthrope -- the joker
    david -- thomas ripley
    zhawq -- patrick bateman

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  113. I would not even rank zhawq on that list for starters...he/she is no patrick bateman for sure

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  114. sweethcheeks do a list of the sw women.

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  115. zhawq - walter mitty

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  116. i think most of your list if not all of it is fucked really

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  117. I am not doing a list of the sw women lol

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  118. is bateman a narcissist or a socio?

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  121. either way i don't really care and haven't studied socios/ psychos enough- it was a good movie

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  122. Sociopaths are up their own ass and can't see sh*t straight.
    Also they have a form of retardation.

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  123. Psychopaths are basically just primitive humans.
    Or this is more accurate
    they're just creatures with delusions of grandeur.

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  125. i can imagine all of you in a single person... one who's head is convulsing in every which direction with sparks flying from your eyes and and mouths and smoke from your ears and noses.... its funny, to post you have to prove your not a robot.

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