Tuesday, September 29, 2009

Rope-a-Dope

I recently got Fight Night Round 4 on DVD. This had inspired me to go back and watch some classic fights. One of the fights I watched was the George Forman vs. Muhammed Ali.

Ali has always amazed me. Not just by the fact that he was a amazing boxer, or how he was socially conscious. It's the fact that he won his fights by getting in his opponents' heads. Before fights he would taunt and insult the other fighters that were big hitters. This way he could play against their strengths turning them into weaknesses.

In his fight against Foreman it was no different. Almost all of Foreman's fight were won by knocking out the opponent by the fourth round. Ali, however, can take it the distance round after round. His goal would have to be to tire his opponent out, and survive till then. Ali was also older and came out of retirement, and Foreman was in his prime as the World Champion.

Before the fight it was found out that the ropes were too long for the ring. The fighters agreed to fight anyway since everyone was already there. Now here's where things get interesting. Ali found himself getting hit hard and against the ropes. Only he found out he could lean against the rope steadily and Foreman's hits wouldn't hit as hard, and then he realized he could fire shots off of it. His corner screamed at him for spending round after round against the ropes. However, Ali continued. Meanwhile (Ref's account), Ali was tautning Foremen, calling him names, laughing at him, and telling him "Is that all you got?" This caused Foremen to hit even harder, much to the dismay of Ali's trainer.

Ali was able to expend all of Foremen's energy to the point where he was not even throwing punches anymore--he was just pawing slowly at him. They called his movement "Sleepwalking" because he was so slow and unfocused. Ali played with him for one more round and ended up knocking him out.

Now I'm sure you're wondering why I'm giving you a play-by-play on boxing. It reminded me of a strategy that I've always used in my life against others who try to bring me down. I portray my strengths as weakness and weaknesses as strengths. People take you for what you portray to be more times than not. You don't have to be a sociopath to get people to take you for face value (though it's easier for us since we do it constantly). People are keen on boasting their strengths only to brag. It's natural. Your key lies in playing your strengths off as a weaknesses, luring you opponent into a false sense of security where they fall into a trap of playing your game. In the same way you play your weaknesses off as strengths, deterring them from attacking you where you have no game. Know yourself and know your enemy.

Participation time: I want to know from the readers if you've used this strategy? How successful was it for you? How did you pull it off and when did you decide to strike?

25 comments:

  1. Yeah, I have used this strategy a few times, from what I’ve found out, most sociopaths do their best (and we are the best at this) to appear normal, deceiving the people around us into thinking that we are normal. Aside from this site, I’ve had a hard time finding sociopaths who don’t try to hide this—I am one of these people. I don’t lie about being a sociopath, in fact most of my friends know this, of course they don’t buy it, but then again, they haven’t looked it up, so whatever...I normally use my flaw of being a sociopath (I don’t consider it a flaw, but the people I mess with do) as a way enticing people into seeing it as something I need their help with.

    It allows myself the opportunity to feel people out, if they take the information of me being a sociopath as me being someone not to trust, then the game switches, but most times when I falsely confide in someone about needing their help they usually step right up to see what they can do. Not long after, I send a few small vibes I send out and see how they react, as well as the ones that they send back to me, I see more and more a way to gain leverage over them in case I have to use it to my advantage in the future.

    I don’t gain dirt on people knowing that I will use it against them, nor to I do it so I can manipulate them, I simple do this as an insurance policy, so if I sense shit going down and I know I’ll fall on the bottom if it, I’ll pull out the ace in to hole that they actually GIVE up to me as their way of trying to comfort me, because I do this in a way the ensures that they know that they told me, they feel they slipped and thus forfeit and I win.

    I have leverage over my mother, she knows this and she also knows that she let it slip out of her own mouth, so even though I can’t imagine ever needing it, I know and she knows I have a knock out punch on her.

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  2. I fail to see any sociopathic tendencies.

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  3. In the post or the first guy's remark?

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  4. One situation I can think of right off the top of my head was in my relationship with another sociopath (telling of course when he told me he loved me only hours after we met ... once he figured out I had a nice house and drove a nice expensive car) His game was weak. His tactics were even weaker. He was looking for someone to use and I was going to be that person for him. So I played the part. I didn't really have a goal in mind I just wanted to fuck with his head see how far I could get and I did. I made him promises but failed to keep anyone of them. I would watch him get ready to take whatever I was willing to give and count on it.... then I yanked it from him. He was badgering me to move in with me because he "loved" me and wanted to start our lives together. Bullshit! He really thought he could get over on me! It was actually laughable. He was about to find out how flaky and unreliable his meek little woman could really be. I told him at the end of the month right before the rent on his apartment was due that he could move in. I could see it in his eyes ..."Score! she took the bait!"

    My mother signed the lease on my apartment months earlier so I knew I had an ace in the hole here. After I was sure he got the movers paid and the money he would have used to pay his rent was spent I went to my mother and I cried telling her that I made a mistake and I didn't want him to move in and asked if she could talk to him and tell him that you forbid it. Now my mother wasn't happy about the arrangement anyway which I knew so naturally she did. Sure he was pissed because he now had no money and no where to go but could he really fault me? *bats eyes* Absolutely not which meant I still had an edge here. More so than if I had just flat told him .. Hell no!

    This maybe a rather unique situation when a sociopath squares off against another sociopath or not but regardless I knew after only a short few hours of speaking to him what he wanted. He wanted a naive girl with money who he could use abuse and throw away so I played that gullible little thing for him. I was played stupid and stroked his ego every chance I got. He was the king! I turned on the tears when I needed to ...to show I was sincere. I played little miss indecisive and made him feel like he could come in and take control until he felt comfortable enough to take off the sheep suit and show his true colors. Then the games began. I took his car his money his home from him and left him with absolutely nothing. The only mistake I made was not taking into account how desperate he would get! What he did at the end really surprise me.

    It's just like my father always told me... "You can't bullshit a bullshitter!" And I am arguably the best bullshitter of them all.

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  5. how flaky and unreliable his meek little woman could really be

    How does that make you different from any other woman? Women like you make me laugh. As long as I get into your vagina its all good. Don't even try to say you don't spread your legs like a Ivan Pavlov experiment. Anything else is just the icing on the skankho cake.

    I never got kidnaped by the way.. Someone else has been posting as me and that is great! I'm glad I'm so popular. Peter is trailer park trash by the way, other self.

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  6. Are you saying you're also peter pan? Thunderball and peter pan are one in the same?

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  7. Hmm...I sense some hurt feelings Thunderball... did some girl break your bitty little heart and now you are finding it hard not to harbor some absurd animosity?

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  8. Thunderball doesn't have a heart to break. Realize this now or later ninja.

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  9. In regards to the post M.E., I'm not a sociopath but from personal experience with one there were two "tactics" that stood out for me. Both strategies portrayed weaknesses to gain strength..When caught between a rock and hard spot the pity play on sympathy was a good way to reverse the situation and get me to back off. It would be any elaborate lie spanning from stepmom in hospital, house got burglarized, to having cancer! At first it worked but the stories became to elaborate and always came with impeccable timing to be believable anymore.
    Second weakness, making up tragic family stories about a terrible upbringing to gain sympathy and loyalty. I.e. Saying things like "everyone in my life has deserted me so you can't" kinda thing. Rationalizing the odd behaviors to a bad upbringing..
    Anyway. Don't know if that's common technique but its out there.

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  10. Thunderball goes underground after his credibility gets destroyed. He changes his name when he decides to change his opinion, which is often. The truth is he has no opinion. Just mindless ramblings and a chex mix of pop logic, wikipedia, and juvinelle insults you learned in a elementary school. He came on here crying about his life. A rant of contradictions. He thinks he's clever for changing names or trying failed schemes on sociopaths to fit into the club he's imagined up. He doesn't understand that he actually has to succeed in something first, but all he can do is fail. Unfortunatly that's him. I will talk about you Thunderball. Your front of loving people on here hurling abuse at you is a half truth. You love the fact that there's one place where people won't feel sorry for the failure you call your life. You blame everyone else for your weakness. Its you. You are the one to blame for being so pathetic.

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  13. "His game was weak. His tactics were even weaker. He was looking for someone to use and I was going to be that person for him."

    This story is a weak cover for the real truth. He did use you, and your on here trying to use this forum for therapy. You wish you fooled him and he ended up broken hearted. It was you instead.

    "So I played the part. I didn't really have a goal in mind I just wanted to fuck with his head see how far I could get and I did."

    No goal in mind? Use some imagination when you make things up. Details. You have the half truth part down. So really you were in a place of vulneralbility. If you were as bitter as you are today he wouldn't have had you, so you imagine if it all played out different. Please carry on:

    "He was badgering me to move in with me because he "loved" me and wanted to start our lives together. Bullshit! He really thought he could get over on me!"

    Calm down. TO be this emotional it must have been recent. Love hurts, doesn't it? How does it feel to be lied to? You wish it was him feeling the pain you do, dont you?

    "My mother signed the lease on my apartment months earlier so I knew I had an ace in the hole here."

    If your mother signed the lease papers how would that be YOU getting over on HIM. If it was his mother it would be different.

    The real story is that he used you for your money, your mom's credit, and maybe sex. Judging by your photo I would just say money and your mom's credit.

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  14. He changes his name when he decides to change his opinion, which is often.

    Peter you are the king aliases, so don't even go there.

    You blame everyone else for your weakness. Its you. You are the one to blame for being so pathetic.

    Just because you wear the suit doesn't mean it fits.

    Speaking of pathetic, why are you still on here? You're no psycho by your own admission, just damaged trash. Still cant find a more productive way to whittle away the hours in your trailer?

    The truth is he has no opinion.

    So true. Whats the point? Opinionated people are just people with agendas. I have no agenda past entertaining myself.

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  15. Stealthy NinjaOct 1, 2009 07:02 AM

    "This story is a weak cover for the real truth. He did use you, and your on here trying to use this forum for therapy. You wish you fooled him and he ended up broken hearted. It was you instead."

    Actually Thunderball, I am in court ordered treatment for APD and NPD because of this incident. It is not by choice however that is not to say I haven't learned a great deal from my experiences thus far. And eh.. where is your story by the way? I don't see a contribution from you here?

    Everyone on this forum so far have been spilling their guts in one way or another or have been reading to supposedly be "entertained" when really they are seeking information about themselves from like-minded people because either they feel like outsiders or this diagnosis (if anyone here has actually been diagnosed) is new to them and they are seeking more information. I guarantee you fit into one of these categories and if so aren't we all in some way seeking our own kind of therapy?

    "Calm down. TO be this emotional it must have been recent. Love hurts, doesn't it? How does it feel to be lied to? You wish it was him feeling the pain you do, dont you?.....The real story is that he used you for your money, your mom's credit, and maybe sex. Judging by your photo I would just say money and your mom's credit.

    I'm certainly not hurting but he is. The only thing that did hurt me was the fact my child's life was nearly snuffed out in an act of his own desperation and insanity. If you sense a form of frustration than that is where it is coming from.

    "Thunderball doesn't have a heart to break. Realize this now or later ninja."

    A dozen people can come on here and say that you are a cold bastard all day long and while that maybe true to some superficial extent all I have actually seen from you Thunderball is a hurting man himself who has built this wall up around a wounded and bleeding heart. Resorting to insults and snapping at anyone that you can is a sure sign of some real anger which has fermented into ...bitterness. Anger is a firey ingredient in passion which develops from emotional pain. Seeing as how my comment here has struck a nerve with you I can assume you have been hurt by a woman you trusted and hurt very badly.

    I was angry for a while as well until I learned that much like any other emotion I have observed in people anger burdens only one person and that is myself and it is the gravest weakness. I learned this from this relationship I speak of. This guy was the angriest dude I had met in a long time with wounds that ran deep I think it confused him in a way. He was brilliant in some ways which is what drew me to him in the first place. I respected him at one point but it wasn't too long until he showed himself to me and lost my respect. That is when I started playing games with him. I didn't intend for it to get as far as it did. I didn't account for how what I was doing to him emotionally would result in what it did. It never once occurred to me that maybe I didn't have a willing opponent. I thought we were just having fun with each other. It was a moment of clarity for me for the first time in my life I was able to see my fault in a situation and understand alittle better why I have been ordered into treatment and as far as detail ...that is not in my benefit right now and since I am looking out for me your personal entertainment will have to wait. No one is here to impress you despite what you may think.

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  16. "Actually Thunderball, I am in court ordered treatment for APD and NPD because of this incident"

    Wait. You're in court ordered treatment, because you made someone pay for a move in fee? Come on. There's no law against that.


    "I was angry for a while as well until I learned that much like any other emotion I have observed in people anger burdens only one person and that is myself and it is the gravest weakness."

    I thought it was him, not you, that was angry. The holes in your story continue and get more bizaar:

    "I'm certainly not hurting but he is. The only thing that did hurt me was the fact my child's life was nearly snuffed out in an act of his own desperation and insanity."

    Wow, how was having a child with him part of the plan? Did you try to kill your child? Is that why you were ordered into therapy?

    "A dozen people can come on here and say that you are a cold bastard."

    The real Thunderball is nothing but a pathetic clown, so I decided to assume his identity. Under my thumb he bleeds ice. You're right. The real Thunderball is hurt. Just like you. He comes on here and whimpers once in a while as you can see.
    There's a lot of women with BPD. Guess what? They're delusional. They don't know who they are or what they want to be. Are you a cutter? How many times have you tried to kill yourself? Why did you think threatning to kill your baby would make him stay? Did you just lose it or did he set you off? What's it like when you have BPD and a sociopath in the same house?

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  17. "Everyone on this forum so far have been spilling their guts in one way or another."

    Oh no missy. The only people who've made that mistake is you and Thunderball.

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  18. Anonymous, you simply sound like a vindictive teenage girl. Like the main villain in all those high school teen movies. The snobby, but broken inside rich girl that has to get back at the world for some minute pain, or is simply bored from never having had an issue to overcome, and therefore weak. I wouldn't label you a sociopath because you dig up dirt on people, I'd just label you a bitch with nothing better to do.

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  19. Ninja, you're retarded. You had to break up with a guy by sicking your mother on him. She's probably rich and your spoiled so yoiu chose some asshole who used you and you were passive aggressive. If you were any more typical you'd be a joke... wait, you're on here telling sociopaths about your passive aggressive exploits, (In other words about your trite manipulation tactics perfectly laughable to any of us) trying to blend in and be as important as your mommy makes you feel... you are a joke. And you're dumb if you think any of us are impressed by vengeful females who picked the wrong guy and couldn't leave him.
    You seem to have forgotten that sociopaths are perceptive. If you want to hang you'll have to be smarter than that. I'd have changed your story altogether.

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  20. This is getting better and better. I love this shit.

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  21. Hahaha! I leave for a week or two and people start posting with my name, and apparently Thunderball thinks I've been posting as him? Oh man, good shit.

    On topic:
    I've never intentionally used this tactic, though I should. The closest I've come is pretending to be easily controlled when I'm actually a very, very controlling person, but I did that on instinct. On a few occasions, I've used false humility to make someone feel like shit when someone who admittedly sucks at something beats the hell out of them at their own game. Never used it for any other purposes, though.

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  22. Stealthy NinjaOct 2, 2009 09:37 AM

    HAHA! I love it! My daughter is dead? I killed her? Honestly did you even read what I wrote before you came back with you comments or did you just skim past all the big words.

    You have made assumptions that a teenager or twenty something would have made after reading what I wrote. "Your mother is probably rich and you are spoiled." Yet avoid making any reasonable or rational criticism based on facts that I have actually illustrated. I was almost impressed when you picked up on my frustration but you failed to deliver a strong fact based argument to support it. Assumption with out fact is based on intuition and intuition is a highly empathetic trait. That is not a weakness at all in fact once you grow up it will be a powerful strength.

    Also stop the woman grouping and hating shit it is old. So many angry young men saying the same shit. Can't you come up with something more original? I have to assume with your eager focus on this you don't get laid much. Hell, maybe that the reason for you animosity I don't know nor to I care.

    I came on here to find out some more information something I can use to get the hell out of treatment for something I don't think I have not to spar with an intellectually ill equipped man child. I already have three children to interact with. I get more intellectual stimulation having a conversation with my 10 year old Aspie son then in I have going back and forth with you.

    Jasonsnowflake... at least Thunderball has incited some thought worthy candor (as skim as it was). Your just a clown who is throwing a tantrum because I criticized you on another post.

    But to M.E. I enjoy your posts. They are very well thought out and knowledgeable. I have attained a lot of good insight. Keep it coming..

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  23. "At least Thunderball has incited some thought worthy candor (as skim as it was)."

    Don't try to win me over you cunt. You're a pawn scum baby killer!

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  24. You criticized me in another post?

    Hm.

    You're giving out way too much information about yourself to a team of sociopaths eager to dissect you and bring out your weaknesses.

    For example, you're a terrible mother because you put your children in danger over a relationship you knew was going to be detrimental to you. As I said, I fail to see how you were in control there, as everyone here does. So you risked not only your finances on a loser, but when you submitted control to him knowingly you also put your children's lives in danger somehow. No wonder you're divorced. Were you a victim persoanlity then? Passive aggresive, submissive? Let's say we're curious. Give us some facts if you think you can prove your side. We're going by how and what you write. You say you're in therapy. That isn't a fact. What is a fact is your writing style and the way you sell your justifications to people who simply don't buy that kind of stuff. Provide us with something good or go.

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