Monday, September 10, 2012

Wannabe sociopaths

I'm not talking about the people that sometimes frequent the comments section and forum of this site, but those who have adopted sociopathic traits due to their environment -- maybe a rough childhood leading to finding respite in gang and adopting the heartlessness of that life, or someone on wall street?  I was sort of charmed by this comment to a recent post:

Corporations are absolutely sociopathic because of their bottom line. However, like sociopaths, they can choose to act in a benevolent manner out of their own best interest- and often do. Corporations are amoral. Corporations reside in the world of power and winning first. I could do on, but there is nothing empathetic about a corporation in our present "free" market system. A benevolent sociopath could not survive intact in the corporate world unless they were lying to themselves all day every day. You want to talk about wannabe sociopaths? Talk to an empath on wall street. 

I have a friend who I am starting to believe is an empath on Wall Street. He worked for many years in his country's version of the CIA or MI-6. He is one of the most cold, calculating people I know -- the type that would never hesitate to pull the trigger on something. Now he is an investment banker, his attempt to cash out on his connections and background. Still he hates it because of the crushing workload, and every time he talks to me about it he has another exit plan fantasy. One of his escape hatches involved taking over an ammunitions company from an ailing client of his. He was talking to me about it, how the company is strong but not much room for expansion (the company primarily sells directly to militaries). I suggested that even if he just stuck with his government contracts, he would be doing well with the company at least for the rest of his lifetime because there would always be war. To his discredit he argued back, "yeah, but how long are we going to be shooting bullets?" Maybe I am wrong on this point, but I thought there were several treaties, including the Hague Conventions, that have basically insured that not only will we be using bullets in war, we will basically be using the same type and kind of bullets as we have always have (as opposed to hollow point bullets in conjunction with chemical warfare, etc.). Undeterred, I mentioned the possibility of expanding out of government contracts into the private market, which he also balked at, saying that he didn't want to be the equivalent of an arms dealer in a very "bullets kill people" sort of way. I was disappointed to hear him say that. How could he have done what he did as a spy, then become a ruthless banker, then take a moral stance on selling bullets that might end up in the brain of some thug?

This goes along a little with my post from yesterday. Sometimes I get a vibe from someone that indicates to me that they are a sociopath and I get all excited. Then they say something that makes it clear that although we may see eye to eye on some issues, there's an ocean of disagreement separating us. It's sort of what it feels like to be libertarian.

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  1. Aw hell yeah! FIRST!!! XD

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  2. Interesting M.E. have you ever outed yourself to anyone? Do your parents or close family know?

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  3. Behavior like that is pretty common.

    Compartmentalization.

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  4. He could have been trying to pretend to not be a sociopath; adopting a "bullets kill people" stance can be used to hide his real feelings. Perhaps he doesn't want to be seen as amoral and thus expose himself. After all, power players are always the ones who take the moral high ground to use for their own benefit.

    Then again, if he was a sociopath, he would probably have expanded into private market and hoped nobody would question his personality because of it. And if they did, he would already have a few convincing, rational arguments prepared.

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    1. Hi Stasis, where have you been? hugs, whether you accept them or not.

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  5. I'm not talking about the people that sometimes frequent the comments section and forum of this site, but those who have adopted sociopathic traits due to their environment

    LOL

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  6. I worked on Wall Street for a bit.

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    1. Somehow I got the nickname of 'cowboy' in one firm. It was pretty annoying at the time.

      But what struck me the most was how young everyone was, running to and fro, with their focusing blinders on -- to work, to the desk, on the phone, to meetings, to lunch, to work, to the train, to the car. A swarm of dark suits and pale slate-clean faces between pillars of stone and narrow canyons of concrete. Trench coats and briefcases, shiny shoes and well-shorn hair.

      But you'd be hard pressed to find anyone over 50 amongst these ant people.

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    2. I got the jobs through my first boyfriend, the Marlboro Man.

      He was a sculptor. At first it was mostly working with metal and found objects. Near the end of his art studies his work morphed into installation pieces, all based around himself and his own likeness. His statement on being a 'white male in America', he said. His professors and critics wrote him off as a self-worshipping narcissist, since he was such a 'pretty boy', as they called him.

      And he was. Lord, was he. Extremely tall, extremely Irish, the embodiment of Indiana Jones. Jacket, hat, face... and close your eyes and even his voice was Harrison's. (Who, by chance, I had a peculiar run-in with one morning on the way to work during my time on Wall Street, but that's another, although not entirely unrelated, story.)

      But it was a likeness not just in looks and style and speech, but also in spirit.

      His shining moment in art was installing a billboard-sized billboard along a busy thoroughfaire. A sillouette of himself and his hat, and the words, "Come to Where the Flavor Is."

      When he got his degree, he decided he needed to 'take on' the New York art scene. For money he took temp jobs in the banking industry. He cut his hair and removed both earrings. Tailored his father's three-piece suit to fit. The temp jobs became long-term jobs.

      And he's been working at Goldman Sachs ever since.

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    3. Uh... I just looked him up and now he's president of a company that makes ballistic armor for law enforcement and the military.

      Wow. Shit. What did I do.

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    4. Oh yeah, the state in which he put up the billboard doesn't have a single billboard because billboards are illegal in that state.

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  7. M.E., you seem to have glossed over the most important part:

    "yeah, but how long are we going to be shooting bullets?"

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    1. I was wondering about that.

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    2. If this quote is verbatim of what the guy said, I'm wondering if M.E. misunderstood.

      It seems to me that he's saying that bullets are passe, and that he didn't want to be part of a passe and dead end club and/or investment:

      the company is strong but not much room for expansion

      saying that he didn't want to be the equivalent of an arms dealer in a very "bullets kill people" sort of way.

      Only he's saying it in a quasi-empath language perhaps because of his uncertainty about M.E., same as M.E.'s uncertainly about him.

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    3. That's what I was thinking as well.

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  8. Hello Sociopath World denizens

    First time poster – long time lurker.

    I am a 32 year old male ‘empath’ from London, England and have been following this site for a few months now since reading Jon Ronson’s book, “The Psychopath Test”.

    I realised that although I was ‘aware’ of sociopathy/psychopathy from the many crime films, books, TV series etc I actually knew nothing.

    Sociopath World is one the most fascinating and informative sites on the subject in my humble opinion and I congratulate M.E on providing such an educational and unique forum. It is compelling reading – not just for the varied, engaging and enlightening articles but also for the many contributors both ‘sociopathic’ and ‘empathetic’.

    Especially such erudite and insightful comments written by contributors such as ‘Post Modern Sociopath’ and other regular contributors. In particular an incredibly edifying, intelligent and sincere exchange between ‘Daniel Birdick’ (a sociopath) and ‘Tinkerbelle’ (an empath) found in the ‘Sexuality and Sociopathy’ post. Personally speaking, I think it should be republished separately as a blog in itself as I recommend it to any new-comers to this site.

    It is with this in mind that I would like to begin a dialogue with any willing participants (both empath and sociopath) regarding our differences. But in the interest of moving the conversation forward I will try to avoid the ‘do sociopath’s like ice-cream’ type questions that are understandably detested by regular contributors.

    But also be assured that I am no sycophantic sociopath groupie wannabe. I have an uncle who is a high-functioning, weapons-grade sociopath who has caused incalculable damage within my family and we are all just waiting for the fucker to die so we can all take turns to piss on his grave.

    But I have nothing personal against sociopaths per se. Certainly not any of the regular contributors using the anonymity and/or the social forum that Sociopath World provides to further/better understand psychopathy and even by proxy ‘empathetic’ human behaviour.

    By this I mean – that it is not unlike the American railroad construction worker Phineas P. Gage who famously survived an accident whereby an iron rod went through his head and the resulting injury provided medical science at that time with invaluable insights into the functioning of the human brain - I perceive discussing/sharing the differences between sociopaths and empaths a mutually beneficial intellectual exercise that provides insights to how we all function within society.

    Anyway – I’ll leave it there for now. Thanks for reading. Any comments will be most welcome and appreciated. And apologies in advance for getting off-topic with this blog and its subsequent posts – I just thought I’d introduce myself first before I contribute to the current topic.

    Cheers,

    Will

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    1. That was a mighty fine introduction, Will.

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    2. "Waiting for the fucker to die so we can all take turns to piss on his grave" ... Nice.

      Welcome, Will.

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    3. Hello, Will.

      You've been lurking for a while. What things haven't been thoroughly discussed that you would like to engage in dialogue about?

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    4. I totally TL;DR'd that.

      Tag Y

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    5. "I perceive discussing/sharing the differences between sociopaths and empaths a mutually beneficial intellectual exercise that provides insights to how we all function within society. "

      Well, Hello Will!

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  9. I knew a disgraced former clandestine agent of my government. We became close friends for a time both in the custodial setting where we met and later on when we resumed life around the same time.

    It was down the track during the resuming life period that I came to see how fundamentally different we were. This person had made their life and living from deception and danger. They had fallen from grace due to an outrageous lining of their own pockets with ... black money, you could say. However, when I reverted to form and the luxury and splendor of the parasitic life I was called an opportunist. When I exploited some banking loopholes to the tune of some tens of thousands I was deemed criminal and disdained.

    Some people really do just suspend their morality for a time in their lives. They leap at the chance to redeem themselves and embrace the ideals and values of whatever group they wish to be part of. Hypocrisy is despicable.

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  10. What I got from that is that M.E. gets excited if he even suspects an aquaintance may be a sociopath.

    An ocean of disagreement = hard wired neurology

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  11. Hypocrites make the world go 'round

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  12. Hi Will. We've been watching you too ;)

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  13. Aww, M.E. gets excited... like I said, I think empaths would ironically be better at telling who is a sociopath and who is not. Let's be friends, and I'll double check the suspects for you, M.E.


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  14. Firstly,

    Thank you for your very welcoming replies. Most appreciated.

    I guess where I’d like to begin kicking around this conversational hacky-sack is a more ‘free-jazz’ philosophical debate.

    In this regard, I hope that it can encompass the topic of this particular blog – as I enjoyed the blog from M.E about sociopath wannabes and the posts from Medusa speaking from personal experience.

    And when I say philosophical I don’t mean reaching for that Kierkegaard ‘Either/Or’ edition you bought second hand that you never got around to reading and has been dutifully gathering dust in the bottom of the bookshelf.

    But just if you’re feeling particularly introspective/reflective/drunk/high/bored/homicidal whatever – I’d be receptive to whatever’s kicking around in those well-reputed high-functioning paradoxical brains of yours.

    And I’m aware, as TNP alluded, that there isn’t probably much that has been discussed that hasn’t already been discussed previously. But y’know – whatever, whenever. I’ll try indulge you as best I can and if it ‘tickles your bum’ we can go from there.

    So I’ll begin with what I find unique (and hopefully without immediately toadying up to sociopaths) – I can relate to a sociopath’s contempt for empaths (generally speaking). Basically empath’s lie, cheat, deceive, manipulate etc and in other extreme circumstances – murder, rape, massacre etc and yet there always seems to be this underlying condition that there was a motive for doing what they did – i.e jealousy, fear, revenge etc.

    In other words – it can almost be justified given the circumstance owing to the feelings that an empathy feels. Whereas, a sociopath doesn’t have that ‘out-clause’ written into the contract.

    I mean, it’s almost a 21st century post-modern dilemma that sociopaths can hold a distorted mirror to today's society and say this is who you actually are but you are actually more deceptive and manipulative and self-deluded than even us fuckers.

    Especially as we accelerate to the apocalypse in this ever increasing selfish and destructive post-ideological world we live.

    In fact, to try tether this post to the topic of this blog – is it any wonder that our burgeoning captains of industry and budding Wall Street big swinging dicks are all clambering on-board the sociopath bandwagon to try cash-in.

    Is what I think.

    And just for Tag Y – the condensed short-attentioned spanned version – there’s definite ‘mission creep’ from empaths trying to muscle in on sociopathic territory ; )

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    1. Reading your post with a generic jazzy beatnik vibe helped.

      So when you talk about the fat cats coming out to play, it aint nothing new. The claws of capitalist caitiffs came out after one guy found out he could trade a daughter for three goats.

      What's new is transparency, and an actual means to an end. In the 19th century, what would be the difference between twenty million dollars, and twenty five million dollars? Now a whole lot. You wouldn't have enough money sinks to justify wanting even more than what you have. You'd just live lavishly and invest wisely to keep the legacy going.

      Nowadays, you can drop a couple mil on just a vacation. So it aint about the businessmen becoming more cutthroat. It's about them seeing what they can get away with, and going for it.

      Empaths, sociopaths, and everyone in-between are capable of any evil humanity can conjure up. The world isn't shifting, it's becoming more aware of its ugly side.

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    2. In other words – it can almost be justified given the circumstance owing to the feelings that an empathy feels. Whereas, a sociopath doesn’t have that ‘out-clause’ written into the contract.

      You know, I beg to differ.

      Basically empath’s lie, cheat, deceive, manipulate etc and in other extreme circumstances – murder, rape, massacre etc and yet there always seems to be this underlying condition that there was a motive for doing what they did – i.e jealousy, fear, revenge etc.

      Sounds just like a sociopath to me. Only 'difference' is their feelings create the paradigm for everything in their world, rather than just for particular circumstances.

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    3. "Especially as we accelerate to the apocalypse in this ever increasing selfish and destructive post-ideological world we live."

      I'd like to see more of where your head is at, Mister.

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    4. Haha – Admittedly I went through the obligatory reading Beat writer’s phase whilst at University.

      I recall an interview in a book with the notorious heroin addict William S. Burroughs where he discussed arriving in London for specialist apomorphine treatment to treat his drug addiction and the surly English customs officer asked him why has had come to England and Burroughs replied with his renowned dry as gin sardonic wit, “For the food and the weather”.

      Of course, he is more well known for shooting his wife in a drunken parlour game that went slighty awry (potential sociopath? ; ) but then was once asked (much later in his life) does he cry and he replied “Yes, all the time – just the other day I cried all day for all the cats in the world that are suffering” (definitely not a sociopath ; )

      Anyway – I liked the ‘world isn’t shifting, it’s becoming more aware of its ugly side’ line.

      Once upon time among our ruling elites there was what the French refer to as ‘Noblesse Oblige’ which was predicated on the basis that with great wealth, power and prestige there comes certain responsibilities to those that are less fortunate than them.

      These days we have our third in line to the throne (here in England) Prince Harry cavorting about in Las Vagas with multi-millionaire arms dealers and a harem of royal groupies playing naked billiards.
      I guess what goes on in Vegas no longer stays in Vegas.

      Medusa – I agree to agree with your ‘paradigm’ scenario. This is the whole post-modern condition I was initially referring to. Strip away all the psychological and political correct labels etc and we get to the centre of the shrubby maze that is man’s inhumanity to man. Sociopath’s have just short-circuited that whole interminable process.

      Mr Hill, Sir – I have just finished watching both the Democratic and Republican conventions and if what some polls can be relied upon Americans are split down the middle as who they would vote for I can only despair for the human race ; )

      Seriously though - when Mitt Romney is making that impassioned speech about how his father bought a rose for his wife every day and left it by her bed for 64 years – until one day there was no rose by Mitt Romney’s mother’s bed and that’s when she knew something was wrong – and as it transpired he had died that day – I thought to myself ... pussy-whipped ; )

      Surely, no one with any self-respect could vote for this Mormon douche-bag. No matter how much you may even hate Barack Obama. (Which BTW – I do not).

      End days my learned friend, end days.

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    5. Since your references and disgust have nothing to do with Romney's capabilities in running this country; I would like to say that I do prefer him over obama because obama is a narcissist fraud that is a muslim socialist. And in that same breath would like to add that I have a lot of self respect for myself and that is why I will be voting for Romney. Furthermore, I am not Mormon.

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    6. Monica, why would you vote for an empty shell?

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    7. The 8:42 is not Monica's post - but mine.

      Medusa, you prefer a muslim socialist over an empty shell?

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    8. Only a troll still thinks that 'muslim socialist' bullshit is effective or relevant.

      Also, I don't discuss politics with talking points, buzzwords, or catchphrases.

      I discuss them with people.

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    9. "I discuss them with people."

      Me, too!

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    10. ^And I discuss them with people that have not listened to Rev. Wright for 20 years.

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    11. Medusa, why the need to degrade trolls (as you call them)?

      You must be miserable to degrade others the way you do. I feel sorry for you!

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    12. Will, I truly don't care about the system. I have little to no control over that system and really don't want it. What I do control is how I interact with the system, that's really all that concerns we.

      I think the human race is going... period. It matters not to me if we finish that sentence with triumph and success or despair and apocalypse. I think of Howard Jones at this moment...

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    13. What is love.... anyway? Does anybody love anybody anyway?

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    14. I do. I'm in love.

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    15. ^Now, that is Monica or Medusa

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    16. Mr Hill, Sir – I don’t think there is anything fundamentally disagreeable with what you are saying (apart perhaps from listening to Howard Jones – or is it just that really cheesy synth pop is a socio thing? – I’m reminded of the scene from ‘Silence of the Lambs’ where ‘Buffalo Bill’ i.e Jame Gume minces about to that innocuous little synth-pop ditty).

      I hope you realise I’m just joking around with you. I’d hazard a guess that you’d have to have a sophisticated sense of humour and appreciation of the absurd to be a sociopath. Or is there a post that I’ve missed and should be directed to?

      However, certainly there have been many posts written about psychopathy and libertarianism which seems to be the default political ideology for many sociopaths. It is often been said that the Republican Party is the natural political party for sociopaths.

      Perhaps more so now that it has recently aligned itself with the extreme factions of the Tea Party and all the Ayn Rand reading Objectivist acolytes. (i.e the VP running mate with Mitt Romney – Paul Ryan).

      Of course, it is almost redundant and clichéd to say these days that Ayn Rand had a Nietzschean ‘Übermensch’ fascination with the sociopath William Edward Hickman whom she based a character in a novel upon. Hickman as you probably already know murdered a 12 year old girl – dismembering and disembowelling her.

      Rand was also an avowed atheist and (sorry to repeat these wearisome political tropes) ended up living the last years of her life living off the welfare state that she so despised.

      Not that I particularly want to resurrect all these tiresome political debates. I am actually more interested in understanding her reason for having an intellectual fascination for such a loathsome human being like Hickman. The only rational explanation to my mind is that she was a sociopath herself. I have read previous posts from sociopaths on this site that interestingly talk about how they identify more with the villain(s) and anti-heroes in any fiction or film or whatever.

      Ok, this all hasn’t got much to do with what you said but I thought I’d just throw it all out there for the sheer visceral hell of it.

      Medesa – I haven’t forgotten your post, I just need to give it a lot more thought. But I really appreciate your contributions.

      Olympics all over in London finally – thank fuck.

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    17. Will,

      I was thinking about this song in particular... it has a lot to say.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DheauKIQVZw

      Have fun Will!

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    18. @Mindless Pleasures
      I have to say you certainly do not sound like an empath at all. But I am curious as to why you are so passionate about American politics. Care to share your reasoning?

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    19. The rose and Romney's father
      LMAO

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    20. Anon 1:16

      If you like that ^, you might enjoy todays picture and article on Biden snuggling and whispering to the back of a bikers chick's neck. He's such an embarrassment.

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    21. D-A-M-N
      Got to get rid of Obama. Did you see 2016?

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    22. I did see the movie and was not surprised. If obama
      wins this election, with his record - I will know it was voter fraud.

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    23. Friggin yes to voter fraud. That scares me more than anything. Did you hear about the pressure on Gallup Polls?

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    24. @Anonymous

      I’d be delighted to share my reasoning, of course in exchange for why you think I don’t sound like an empath which has made me curious.

      American politics is pure spectacle writ large. It would make Leni Riefenstahl blush for its sheer kick-in-the-balls breath-taking audacity and shit-your-pants derring-doo.

      And besides, living in England with our fastidious, doddering, archaic Westminster system there’s just no comparison. I mean, what is there not to like? Clint Eastwood arguing with a chair – and coming off second best (he had to tell the chair to shut-up).

      You couldn’t make this shit up.

      As for the Romney’s rose speech. Even a rather articulate and educated motherfucker like me am lost for words to explain how no one in that entire convention auditorium didn’t stop and think to themselves for just one nano-second and say to themselves – I’m an adult at a national political convention trying to rally support for a once respected political party during one of the worst economic crises in living memory and he’s telling me this bat-shit crazy story. Fuck me – I’m out of here. Done.

      A friend of mine worked out how much it would have cost Romney’s dad to buy a rose each day for say $1 dollar for 64 fucking years and worked out to about $23,360.00 (And BTW Romney mentions that they were bought from a florist – he just didn’t specify for how much).

      And you want his son to run your country for you? Jesus wept.

      Mr Hill, Sir. thank you for the song link. I liked the female chorus singing at the end. Not my usual musical tastes though but thanks anyway.

      There was a blog recently about Talking Head’s song, “Making Flippy Floppy”. I listened to it and it’s absolutely fucking amazing. Amazing instrumental in the middle. Thanks M.E if you’re reading this for the recommendation.

      And it would be a fantastic selection for the Romney/Ryan campaign theme song.

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    25. You are very cute, Mindless Pleasures.

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    26. Monica my dear

      Be honest, it's the English accent ; )

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    27. I think it is the feeling of coolness under your words. That does it for me.

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    28. @Mindless Pleasures

      As I see you find humor in our politics you might enjoy today's picture of Biden snuggling in a cafe booth with a biker chick while whispering something to her neck. Nothing original about this scene as opposed to Eastwood's.

      In reply to my not thinking of you as an empath, they are clearly that - my, thoughts.

      As far as the endearing story on Romeny's parents -
      I think they were trying to make him human. Just as mistakes were made with obama speeches.

      No, I don't want obama running our country. In fact, he has never ran a business and it definitely shows. I could give other examples but I am not. So, enjoy the next few months of our politics. You do know that obama returned the bust of Winston Churchill to the U.K. And, no, the UK did not request it............

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    29. I do not get the English accent but there is something about you for sure. I can't wait to see who you are.

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    30. My thoughts, exactly.

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    31. What do you mean"who you are"

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    32. If you have to ask,
      then you should make sure you are asking the correct person.

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    33. AnonymousSeptember 10, 2012 5:22 PM

      I do not get the English accent but there is something about you for sure. I can't wait to see who you are.

      Who do you expect him to be?

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    34. Does not matter who I expect him to be. Now be a good little kiddie and either tell us who you might expect or get your nose back where it belongs.

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    35. Fuck off, monia!

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    36. Correction: Fuck off monica!

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    37. Ha ha Can't even spell, Eden ^^^

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  15. Another food for thought starts with the known link between aspergers syndrome and the Ashkenazi Jewish descendency.
    At least between ourselves we already suspect a link between aspies and socios.
    So...has the Jewish link been explored by our blogger? Maybe just as more aspies are askenazi Jewish, maybe more socios are as well.

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    1. You should also look up the link between autism and children of Somali refugees born in Minnesota.

      I have many ideas about how these things link up.

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    2. Micheal Martin PlunkettSeptember 10, 2012 at 9:49 AM

      bonner it's the shmaltz in the gefilte fish ya narc mother forced down ya throat. she told ya ya liked it when ye didn't and so on and so forth. its not ye're fault ye're deformed.

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    3. One I was at camp and a Gentile girl told me that she loved a Jewish food called Jeff tile fish. I was like, "Whaaaa?" It took me a long time to realize she meant gefilte fish

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    4. Ha ha.

      My grandmother always called Worcestershire sauce "What's-This-Here-Sauce".

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    5. LOL That is a good one, Medusa

      I am gonna tell you the surprise ending( I hope it is the end) with the Mal Narc and the head of the organization. He offered an olive branch to me in front of her.

      That part is wonderful but the bigger part is that I realized that I can be all of who I am. I am all these different sides. I am strong. I stand up and fight. I am sweet. I am gentle. I am vulnerable. I am messed up. I am smart.

      At the moment he offered me the olive branch, I realized it is alright to be all of me.

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    6. you are a shayna maid la.

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    7. i did NOT mean a chamber maid, but i thought of it.

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    8. shayna means "very"

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    9. i thought it meant "beautiful".

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    10. it does. Monica is a very beautiful person.

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    11. Well, you have to know Yiddish which narrows it down~

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  16. As a Libertarian I think it's funny that belonging to a third party is apparently a similar experience to having a personality disorder.

    Also as a Libertarian I don't agree with that commenters characterization of our system as a free market. The Fed gave trillions of dollars of corporate welfare to banks. It's socialism for the rich, almost the opposite of free.

    Personally I don't think I am amoral, but I place a greater moral emphasis on freedom and liberty than most people. Most people prefer rules and consider lack of rules to be amoral. I have met a few Libertarians who could be considered amoral but I'm skeptical about that being more common in Libertarians than other parties.

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  17. I, too, am a Libertarian and agree wholeheartedly with your post. What are you thoughts on obama? If, you care to share.

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  18. Is this a reply to me? I can't tell.

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  19. @Refudiate...
    Yes, what are your thoughts on obama?

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    1. i saw obama 2016, too. It was gross. I don't care whether the guy is living his father's dream. i could care less where he got his views and what kind of man his father was. I don't care whether his father slept with 20,000 syphilitic mules. Those rich people need to fork over some dough.

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    2. @1:26 That was me, btw.

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    3. That is not the real Refudiate. You can kind of tell from the different writing style and irrelevant content. I'll post my opinion about Obama, give me a sec.

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    4. I like Obama but I don't approve of his politics. I like him because unlike other presidents he rarely says anything stupid in speeches. I want him to win because I have bet money on him winning. It would not be much different if Romney won, however. I live in MA and I think the way Romney handles healthcare is better than the plans Democrats came up with. Both candidates have the same or similar policies on everything important. I'm voting for Gary Johnson. He won't win, but if people like him get votes they will get noticed and there is a good chance some of their ideas will be incorporated into mainstream politics. Even Obama has sort of done this, he has taken steps to reduce wasteful government spending.

      Obama is not greedy for personal power and he seems to have good intentions, but he believes that government power is a good thing. . That is what I don't like about him. The results are the same as the would be if he was a greedy person. Obama had no problem supporting SOPA or CISPA, he sees nothing wrong with the defense act he signed. His policy of corporate welfare might make us look good in the short term but in the long run it is weakening the economy. People expected a lot from him but he has done a mediocre job and he had a very easy act to follow (Bush).

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    5. you do not think that in following bush, obama has a built-in harder time realizing his intentions?

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    6. Of course he does, you can't just undo all of the dumb mistakes Bush made instantly. What I meant was, it's very easy for Obama to look like a good president compared to the president that came before him. So many American presidents have harmed the economy that any president that doesn't screw things up looks like Einstein.

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    7. A conservative, a liberal, and a moderate walk into a bar. The bartender says "Hi, Mitt!"

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  20. hi i wanted to ask someone abut the other day's twitter that said a narcissist will take positive or negative attenion. I know a npd guy who will continue talking to me right after i tell him he's an idiot. now, he was put into hospital by family after he described how he was going to off himself..but he never did. he is crazy.

    i am trying to see the difference between me and narcissists. i feel i am borderline bec of my moods. i hear tell we are narcissists too. i do not think of myself as a person who wants negative attention. but idk, maybe i am . i trying not to delude myself. is anybody willing to ask me questions? because i don't know.

    I was involved wih a sociopath who was giving me negative attention sometimes. i liked him, does that mean that i didn't care whether he gave me negative attention or positive attention? does that mean that i wanted to stay involved just to have a body in my life? i did let him go. but he kind of dumped me so i can't say that wholeheartedly . . .

    i don't want to be a person who is ok with negative attention. But idk maybe i should be ok with it because it really does not make me think i am unloved. is that what a narcissist does? they go about their life thinking if people talk to them at all, they are worth something?

    I don't want to be like that. i dont think i am like that Cuz If someone started beating me, physically or mentally, i would not stick around. i would kick them in the balls and run like a faggot.

    How could i possibly be a narcissist and want to hang out with people who don't treat me well?

    please give me an example of a person who does this, because i want to check myself and see how fucked up i am.

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    1. never mind. i just read this, and i am not like that.

      http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-legacy-distorted-love/201101/am-i-narcissistic-how-do-i-know

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    2. no you are just trying to be cute so people will talk to you. this is a serious message board about serious topics so whydon't you add to the commentary to get attention?

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    3. i am not versed in politics.

      i want people to talk to me but i am thinking they do not like me so i try to be funny (or profound. to no avail). i try too hard to be noticed here. and then i am afraid to be noticed. i don't understand at all. i must be malignant. i do not want sympathy i just want to be understood, that is all. i am lonely at night, that is all. I will try not to grab for people.

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    4. go to sleep, now.

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    5. ok . tomorrow i wont do this. or the next day either. a child learns, so i can too. there is no one here for fucks sake. i need to go where the people are there. where there are people who love me, not strangers who have reputations for being callous.

      i dont even believe monica is a sweet person. she is just posing. i dont know anybody here so why would i put vulnerabilities here? is this what the narcissist does?? it goes around trying to get mean people to say hello? david socio was called out on that. i dont want to be that way.

      why cant i be different?

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    6. Your behavior sounds more immature than nuts to me.

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    7. i can't say you're wrong, but I can't say you're right, either.

      My behavior will often stem from emotional place. Even though I am quite rational in my understanding of them, when my emotions are out of whack, so is my behavior. My emotions may be immature, I think.

      I have a difficult time with the pain.

      I have a very close friend who asked her therapist what she was like when she first met her. The therapist asked if she had remembered being in a fetal position outside her office. My friend had no recollection. She asked therapist why she had asked if she had remembered. The therapist said that when people are very depressed they will forget what it was they did.

      I did not forget last night. The behavior is very much like asking a stranger to hold my hand. -I don't think a person realizes that in the throes of such pain, it feels like dying.

      Is it immature? I don't know what a mature person does when they feel like they are dying.

      I do apologize for my emotions. All the time I do. I don't inflict them on people because I fear they will get old and boring and they will feel put upon. I fear they will leave me. One of the reasons I come here is I know that there are people here who don't give 2 fucks about emotions. For the ones that do, I apologize. Sometimes it is just too much to bear.

      I like this place, and if I am meant to sift through all the bullshit I read here, and try to respond appropriately or ignore, or whatever it is that comes up, than you have to sift through mine.

      But basically, yeah, I am crying out in the night. With strangers no less! I can't tell you whether or not that is immature or nuts. A little of both.

      My apologies to other readers. Sincerely. I will try not to inflict this kind of thing here anymore. I will.

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    8. Actually I was referring to your desire for negative attention and apparent lack of self respect, not your unhappiness. I can't help but assume you are a teenager. Being unhappy is not immature.

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    9. no i'm not a teenager. But I think I confuse some of you with parental figures I suppose I wish I had had.

      Maybe I have a secret desire for one of you to change me.

      Can't "negative attention" be loving and constructive, not mean?

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    10. Yoi don't need much help brother. You're not fucked-up, you are experiencing tunnel vision brought on by failing to meet standards you hold yourself to. Once you accept that it's ok to be unhappy sometimes you will see your mood and outlook on life improve. With a better mood, your mind is focusing on opportunities in front of you more than past mistakes. Once your head is back screwed on tight everything else just falls into place :)

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    11. thank you. i do believe you are right.

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  21. Yeah I suppose, but the way you describe what you have been going through, it doesn't sound like you are subjecting yourself to constructive criticism. You would probably have better luck at a place like psychforums, they actually help people.

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    1. i have looked at the psych forums and they lack a certain je ne sais quoi.

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  22. I see a lot of this going on when I'm navigating through the interwebs these days. All the kids now seem to think it's cool to act apathetic and rebellious in the face of the law. It's amusing to me to see them adopt these traits, and I can't help but find it flattering. Speaking as someone who was diagnosed with ASPD just this past year, it's odd to see people trying to emulate a mental disorder. The benelovance is there, sometimes the malicious intent is there, but it's too genuine. It's spurred out of anger, or out of a premeditated desire to draw attention to themselves. The emotions (usually anger), is thick in their faces and in their voices. It can be flattering, yes, but pathetic. You can find these people in swarms when you're playing an online video game. Because of their anonymity, antisocial behaviour is to be expected. I do quite the opposite, as I do all my playing, if you will, in the real world as opposed to in a virtual reality.

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    1. You're not a sociopath. Sociopaths don't care about being sociopaths. What you stated was the common criminal, everybody is a criminal but most people don't have the ability to destroy society, which is what a sociopath is. Unless you've harassed everybody you know you're not a sociopath.

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  23. You're a sociopath wannabe ME Thomas! You're making a fool out of yourself, "I cut myself with knives", they mean't a criminal that leaves prison and commits the same crime again and never stops. A person that accidentally cuts themselves with a knife is called a retard. Oh and "sociopath" is NOT a psychological diagnosis, it's called Antisocial Personality Disorder you dumbass! You are stupid because of your arrogance. Stop telling people you're a sociopath and get a life you wannabe.

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    1. Thank you, it's good to see people with intelligence.

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  24. Wannabe Sociopaths? Like this whole site here? XDDD

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  25. YOU'RE a sociopath wanna be. A real sociopath doesn't brag about how "they're evil" for attention, a real sociopath brags about how many people they've killed or how much money they have. I can't believe people are stupid enough to believe your crap. You think you're part of some sort of elite group of sexy people but that's not what sociopaths are, that's what narcissists are. Ironically you also say you hate narcissists when you obviously are one. Oh and sociopaths don't start their own lingo like 'empaths' especially since psychopaths can emphasize with others, they just don't care and the fact that you care about your kids proves you're not a psychopath.

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