Sunday, September 27, 2009

The outsider

I’ve always known I was an outsider. It started from my very first days in school. I wasn’t able to articulate that then of course, but I knew it in my bones. I alternated between being an observer and playing the role of insider. In the years when I played observer, I’d watch with disgust as the kids who weren’t popular fawned all over the kids who were. I’d see them for the weaklings they were and wonder why they thought belonging mattered so much that they were willing to debase themselves. I couldn’t even conceive of the idea that anyone or any group was important enough for me to humiliate myself for. So I’d watch and I’d observe. I was never bullied or treated like a reject. I watched other outsiders be picked on with interest, but I was invisible until I was ready to change that. After I had observed long enough, I easily became one of the popular kids. But even when I was schmoozing with the jocks and the cheerleaders and the class clowns who everybody loved, even when kids from lower grades wanted my attention, I knew I was not one of them. I’d known that I would never really belong no matter how many people claimed to love hanging out with me. I did however enjoy playing my games with them and with teachers from time to time. From the outside, I made myself an expert on the staff in charge, always with the understanding that my friendly overtures and “good kid” image would be useful in the event any of my games were exposed. That never happened though. I was never caught, never exposed, and never held accountable -- all because I’d taken the time to watch, to take careful note of environment from top to bottom, and then acted accordingly.

I’ve never thought of myself as a predator because I’ve never raped or killed anyone. But looking back, I wonder if the internal understanding of my outsider status combined with the instinctive sense that I had to carefully observe other people in order to both survive and thrive is how the human predator thinks. I’ve always known that I wasn’t one of them, them being most of humanity. This wasn’t a choice; it was a realization. I didn’t know terms like "sociopath" or "psychopath." But I did know that since I wasn’t an “insider,” I had to figure out what to say and how to behave in ways that would guarantee a place among them as their leader. In other words, as a child I knew I had to wear a mask, one that would grant me power. Again, as a child, I could not articulate any of this and did not have the psychological sophistication to comprehend what I was. I just knew this is how the world worked, and how I had to work within it.

If you’re new to this blog and you’re wondering if you are a sociopath or have sociopathic tendencies, ask yourself if this story describes your experience. That’s not to say that thinking or behaving this way as a child and a teenager proves beyond any doubt that you are a sociopath. It could, however, serve as a starting place for further investigation and a validation of how you experienced your childhood.

If you were always on the outside looking in, separated from the other kids and maybe even from your family by a wall of emotions that they seemed to feel effortlessly while you did not; if you could instinctively get a sense of how power flowed between various cliques, between the students and the staff and within your family; if belonging never meant anything to you yet you found you could easily enter and then manipulate any group at will; then maybe, just maybe, you were a tiny wolf in lamb’s wool, a young sociopath without knowing it.

48 comments:

  1. I want to hear more about these 'games' you played.

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  2. Daniel BirdickSep 28, 2009 10:11 AM

    Thirded. lol

    As for me, the sense of being on the outside, as it were, not only started in childhood but continues on to this very day. This is true even when I’m with family and friends. I could be laughing it up, listening to people talk and playing my role quite nicely, but in the end, I’ve always come back to feeling like the people I’m with have no idea who or what I really am. I used to resent that fact. Now, not so much. Reality is what it is and resenting it is pointless. Besides, there are upsides. At least I’m not bogged down by uncontrollable emotions and I’m not compelled to act out useless dramas that pass for ‘normal relationships’. The inner detachment that Buddhists ironically crave comes natural to me. All in all, not being driven by a need to believe or a need to belong has been nice for me, especially when I compare it to the alternative.

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  3. I too would like to hear more of M.E.'s games. I've scanned most of the archives for actual behavior that seems pathological, but it was mostly very tame stuff.

    Closest I could find was M.E. luv triangle where he "ruined" a girl in the mind of her suitor.

    M.E. seemed to feel it was quite the coup (considering the space and detail lavished on the story). But it's really the sort of thing normal people do all the time. Perhaps his HS career includes more little white lies and cock-blocking.

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  4. I am 15 right now, and i do relate to some experiences M.E. described. As for the games, can anyone consider this, how many of you would like for your little amusements of the past to be revealed? I do not, not for fear,but precaution,I learned that you have to be careful with what you give away. I use any information that comes to me as reserve in the future (other manipulators do so as well)

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  5. I never played games as a teen, in so much as it wasn't for my amusement only. I always had a target and goal. I relate to more of the bully's bully post in the blog. As a teenager and even pre teen I was the typical sociopath anti-hero...judge jury and executioner. I still am that, to an extent, but in college I did the 'game' thing a bit more. And to be honest...if M.e. is anything like, well, me all my game type silly stuff was more or less harmless and not even post worthy. And what the executioner did/does is locked in the vault and it's gonna stay there.

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  6. Zahid Dante said:

    "As for the games, can anyone consider this, how many of you would like for your little amusements of the past to be revealed?"

    I wouldn't like them to be revealed in company, in real life, in front of the people I've involved in them. Anonymously, though, on the internet, I would like that; I'd like it very much. Like Daniel said above, it's all very well to be wearing masks the whole time, but it's also good to be able to take them off. I'd like to have the opportunity to tell someone everything. I'd like to be able to boast. I'd like to tell someone I've never met all about my 'little amusements' to see their reaction. And if it wasn't so impractical, I'd do it like a shot.

    (I'm not getting at M.E. - I think this blog is amazing. I'm just disagreeing with Zahid.)

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  7. This is perhaps why the diagnosis of 'Anti-social Personality Disorder' is contingent upon criminality. Take away the spectre of violence and fraud and most sociopaths are somewhat ordinary.

    Are we really just insensitive folks with variable social skills who may be somewhat unreliable?

    I know myself to be occasionally parasitic and a bit of a sadist, but otherwise I'm just a nice normal guy.

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  8. Daniel BirdickSep 29, 2009 01:47 PM

    Harry Lime said, "This is perhaps why the diagnosis of 'Anti-social Personality Disorder' is contingent upon criminality. Take away the spectre of violence and fraud and most sociopaths are somewhat ordinary... otherwise I'm just a nice normal guy."

    Tell that to the ladies at lovefraud. lol

    Come on Harry, you've never committed a crime for which you could have gotten into serious trouble at some point? Hell, I have. Several. Who hasn't? But otherwise, I'm a nice normal guy too.

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  9. Tell that to the ladies at lovefraud. lol

    A lot of you guys mention lovefraud. I'd never been so I went over there and browsed a bit today. Holy crap. Why can't assholes just be assholes? People have to conjure some magic horned monster called a sociopath that all of humanity is vulnerable to and they are the latest, helpless victims. If it were possible, and it's not, but if it were, it'd be fun to try and burst their bubble and let them know that it was never about some epic battle with the devil incarnate...you just got taken by some selfish horny bastard with a bad credit rating. And the men...good god. On and on about how their ex-wives are sociopaths. Um. She's not a sociopath. She just hates you.

    Why do people have to live such tragedies?

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  10. Harry Lime

    Are we really just insensitive folks with variable social skills who may be somewhat unreliable?


    No. That's the definition of an asshole. We aren't insensitive. We sense what one wants, needs and either don't give a flip or try to use it to get what we want and need.

    Some people call it selfish. But they miss the point. There's no 'ish. Just the self.

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  11. "Come on Harry, you've never committed a crime for which you could have gotten into serious trouble at some point?"

    I don't have a contentious relationship with police like the ASPD mooks. Evidently that can make all the difference in a diagnosis.

    Oh, and I had never seen lovefraud.com before . . . thank you! I need a new hobby, perhaps it will be ruining the lives of marginally attractive women.

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  12. Hey, Suzanna, first your comment astounded me but I came to the realization that, like me, we were all looking for a place to "remove our masks." (this blog has proven magnificent) But, why wouldn't you do it with those who know you, is it a bit of shame or simply you feel that such a bond should not be broken by such a revelation? Usually, when i ask these questions people believe i am attacking them, they fail to notice i am just curious.

    P.S. Now that you mention it I would like to know about your "little amusements" (thank you for being willing to share)

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  13. "But, why wouldn't you do it with those who know you, is it a bit of shame or simply you feel that such a bond should not be broken by such a revelation?"

    I can't speak for Suzanna but for me because once I remove my mask to someone close there is no shutting that door. It is much easier to do this anonymously.

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  14. And how does that make you feel,Christine?...just kidding. Well, you actually gave a good reason, not only is demonstrating yourself as you are is an inhibition. But, everyone needs to let some demons run loose once in a while, anyone agree?

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  15. Daniel BirdickSep 29, 2009 07:30 PM

    Hey Harry, are you calling me a mook? lol

    Actually, I didn’t have a ‘contentious relationship’ with the police either. I have a fetish for not getting caught. I was always careful.

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  16. Daniel BirdickSep 29, 2009 07:34 PM

    Sarah said, "it'd be fun to try and burst their bubble and let them know that it was never about some epic battle with the devil incarnate...you just got taken by some selfish horny bastard with a bad credit rating. And the men...good god. On and on about how their ex-wives are sociopaths. Um. She's not a sociopath. She just hates you."

    LMAO!!! Those comments on that site kill me!

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  17. "But, everyone needs to let some demons run loose once in a while, anyone agree?"

    I never thought there were any demons to let run free until a herd of effing people kept asking me "How does that make you feel?"

    *smiles* "I feel friggin' great!"

    Therapy sucks! I need therapy for all this therapy. They have me working over time over here and I have to let loose a little.

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  18. Stealthy Ninja said:
    "I never thought there were any demons to let run free until a herd of effing people kept asking me "How does that make you feel?"


    My point on the previous comment was completely satirical and sarcastic. I was on therapy too, and what is worse is that i was still categorized as a MINOR. So, my therapist kept calling me "poor baby" or "how do you feel now, sweetheart?" I think most of them, specially the young ones are natural good-doers, but they seem extremely hypocritical at times.

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  19. How could I tell you guys were on therapy? This forum is just a new way for you to get more therapy. It's ridiculous and pathetic. Stealthy Ninja your a wingnut. Zahid I can already tell how sensitive you are to critisism, as Ninja's response was neutral and your already on the defense.

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  20. When your an adult they put up this tough exterior like they are "Big Billy Bad Ass" and an attitude like "you aren't going to draw me in with your jedi mind tricks" In fact I think they probably rehearse it in the mirror before they walked into the room with me.

    "I feel like this is complete bullshit."

    "Well your feeling something. That is progress."

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  21. Awww Thunderball needs attention! How sweet! Gimme a big hug. Come on let's hug it out!

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  22. That may be what they do in your therapy, but we don't do that here.

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  23. well, my dear Thunderball,you seem a bit snappy too ("That may be what they do in your therapy")
    Nevertheless, i am pretty sensitive with mix-ups involving sarcasm.
    wanna hug now?

    By the way, good point Ninja, and loved the little joke...you are entering my white list:)

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  24. Maybe I'm snappy because I don't zone out valium like you. I get tired of listening to your brain farts you call thought.

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  25. Apparently these two haven't met thunderball yet. I find his comments quite hilarious and he's not even trying...yet...

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  26. I thought Thunderball was kidnapped.

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  28. Welcome to hell.

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  30. Zahid said:
    "But, why wouldn't you do it with those who know you, is it a bit of shame or simply you feel that such a bond should not be broken by such a revelation?"

    Heya. No, it's not at all that I'm ashamed. In fact, it's probably the opposite. There's no one I know who would find childhood adventures in cat-strangling quite as amusing as I do; there's no one I know who would understand my pride in it, either, I don't think.

    And 'such a bond': well... it's not exactly a bond, is it? Anyway, it's a waste of effort to spend time assimilating and then go and tell someone who now believes you good and kind that 'hey, guess who nicked and subsequently burnt your English notes for the kicks? Hahaha!' I would lose their trust and therefore the possibility of messing with them further. It'd just be self-sabotage, to tell someone - especially a close friend.

    "Usually, when i ask these questions people believe i am attacking them, they fail to notice i am just curious."

    No, that's OK. I'm used to well-intentioned interrogation. I do it to people myself.

    "P.S. Now that you mention it I would like to know about your "little amusements" (thank you for being willing to share)"

    :P What exactly would you like to know about them, Mister Dante?

    Christine said:
    "I can't speak for Suzanna but for me because once I remove my mask to someone close there is no shutting that door."

    If you got close to someone, and then told them you didn't actually care about them and liked taking advantage of their trust in human nature, then however well-intentioned you were in the telling, I don't think it'd go down that well. And when you've told them, you can't un-tell them.

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  31. Whoops. Didn't mean to leave you an essay.

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  32. Sarah writes:

    No. [Insensitive, unreliable folks is] the definition of an asshole. We aren't insensitive. We sense what one wants, needs and either don't give a flip or try to use it to get what we want and need.

    So are you saying the difference between an asshole and a sociopath is ignorance?

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  33. Suzanna writes:

    If you got close to someone, and then told them you didn't actually care about them and liked taking advantage of their trust in human nature, then however well-intentioned you were in the telling, I don't think it'd go down that well. And when you've told them, you can't un-tell them.

    That depends on the friends. I personally delight in the company of my sociopath friends. But I do take precautions not to let them take advantage of me (as I do with all my friends in different ways, don't you?). However, if you have the sort of friends that could delight in you including your sociopathic ways, they've probably already realized you're a sociopath.

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  34. "There's no one I know who would find childhood adventures in cat-strangling quite as amusing as I do; there's no one I know who would understand my pride in it, either, I don't think."

    Is there anyone here who take's pride in strangling cats? If there is please stand up. Stand up I say! Stand up for all the villified cat vanquishers!

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  35. Cat strangling? That sucks! I like cats and dogs for the most part but hell who am I. You can take pride in strangling all the cats you want as long as you don't touch mine!

    Besides isn't stuffing firecrackers up the ass of dogs and tormenting kitties a wee bit clichish? I personally have never done anything to harm a dog or a cat or any animal for that matter however, come to think of it my ex-husband used to beat his dog with a PVC pipe on a daily basis so I guess there is some truth to the stereotype.

    And 'such a bond': well... it's not exactly a bond, is it? Anyway, it's a waste of effort to spend time assimilating and then go and tell someone who now believes you good and kind that 'hey, guess who nicked and subsequently burnt your English notes for the kicks? Hahaha!' I would lose their trust and therefore the possibility of messing with them further. It'd just be self-sabotage, to tell someone - especially a close friend.

    Couldn't have said it any better myself! Kind of strange because the older I get the more I grow in conscious toward these things. A couple of times I have almost spilt the beans in some minor effort to right a wrong however, my innate need too keep having my itch scratched keeps me from doing so. Sometimes I will just walk away from the relationships which works for me until I start it up again with someone else. Ooops....

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  36. Hey Suzanna,I do find cat strangling entertaining even though on my early years I was categorized as a violent and sadistic child. The funny thing is that family members and school faculty always tried to find a reason; i couldn't explain the gratification that harming others gave me.The part about bonds was a trick question, congrats, you passed. Now, you said you would like to boast, so tell me your best exploit and the type of games you prefer (as in, do you concentrate on one individual?do you come between groups and sabotage them?, etc.)

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  37. Thunderball,when did I say everything I wrote were my thoughts?
    some of the little voices inside my head are conflicting. And i will defend the cause of CSU (cat stranglers united) to the death!
    Now, can you illuminate me with whatever the opposite of "brain farts" is? I want to consider you at least comical, as anonymous does, but you are as stubborn as a cat...
    (and you know what some of us do to those creatures)

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  38. Thunderball said:
    "Is there anyone here who take's pride in strangling cats? If there is please stand up."

    Stealthy Ninja said:
    "Cat strangling? That sucks! I like cats and dogs for the most part but hell who am I. You can take pride in strangling all the cats you want as long as you don't touch mine!"

    Look, I look back fondly and proudly the way anyone looks back fondly and proudly on their childhood. I'm sorry you can't help judging me for it, but then, that's why I said I kept it quiet... (Incidentally, I was very young, I never killed one, and I have cats of my own now and I've never hurt them.)

    "Besides isn't stuffing firecrackers up the ass of dogs and tormenting kitties a wee bit clichish?"

    No one mentioned firecrackers, and cliches have to come from somewhere.

    "I personally have never done anything to harm a dog or a cat or any animal for that matter ..."

    This isn't aimed at Stealthy Ninja - it just reminded me of it - but why is it worse for a kid to hurt a cat than it is for an adult to swat a fly? Or eat meat? Does anyone understand the reasoning in this? Why will an empath defend the idea that all humans are equal, but some animals are more equal than others? Because I just can't understand the logic to it.

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  39. To Zahid --
    --who said:
    "Hey Suzanna,I do find cat strangling entertaining"

    No. When I said no one would understand, I meant literally no one would understand. Literally, physically, no one can understand exactly what anyone thinks/feels. Not you. Not anyone.

    "The part about bonds was a trick question, congrats, you passed."

    The word 'sociopath' translates from the Latin as, basically, 'unfit to be a friend'. You didn't realise your mistake in the question because you're not sociopathic yourself. It's not you pretending to be that's irritating, it's you trying to cover your tracks.

    "Now, you said you would like to boast, so tell me your best exploit and the type of games you prefer."

    No. If you hadn't gone on to say:

    "i will defend the cause of CSU (cat stranglers united) to the death!"

    then I might have done. I am not a cause; you are not a cause. I have not allied with you; I am not going to ally with you. Don't be so presumptuous. Also:

    "you are as stubborn as a cat...
    (and you know what some of us do to those creatures)"

    No. Just... no.

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  40. Daniel BirdickOct 1, 2009 12:44 PM

    Suzanna said, “why is it worse for a kid to hurt a cat than it is for an adult to swat a fly? Or eat meat? Does anyone understand the reasoning in this? Why will an empath defend the idea that all humans are equal, but some animals are more equal than others? Because I just can't understand the logic to it.”

    I don’t think there is any inherent logic to it myself. It’s all arbitrary. I also don’t believe being consistently pro-life is a realistic moral philosophy or position or whatever, if by pro-life we mean preserving life at all costs. At some point, we all decide what we’re willing to kill to survive. We draw that line based on any number of reasons, from personal preference and taste, to tradition, to whatever sense of morality we have, and so on. But wherever our line of demarcation is, something has to cease to be in order for us to continue to be.

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  41. Cat strangling is retarded and pointless. It's a stupid and pathetic thing to tout as something you did as a child.
    You people are pathetic. You are all one step forward with two steps back into defensive mode. I find you slightly amusing. Nothing more. Nothing less.
    Stealthy Ninja get over your painful relationship. Suzan stop trying. If you want to strangle a cat go all the way. Stop failing.

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  42. This doesn't really describe me, at least not fully. I was never one of the popular kids in school, but I pretty much ignored everyone. I hated everyone, whether they were popular or not. I think the hatred stemmed from the fact that I did feel different, but I didn't feel a need at the time to hide it, so nobody accepted me. Pathetic, yes, but youth is what it is.

    I didn't start becoming popular until I was kicked out of my house and had to live in apartments full of large groups of people. I'd never taken the time to fully analyze the dynamics of socialization, but living in such crowded conditions, full of drama, left me little choice.

    Once I learned what people valued, it was pretty easy to play the role of the ideal friend, lover, etc. Funny, empathetic, helpful, stand up for what I believe in, give people props for agreeing with my projected beliefs while firmly but respectfully disagreeing when they don't. Basically just projecting a positive attitude and a rock solid, consistent set of values and beliefs, without acting like a hardass or a die-hard people pleaser.

    Most people I meet now love me, but I know I'll never have a real connection with any of them. The relationships I build are fake, which is unfortunate, but it's the best that's available to me.

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  43. "Pathetic, yes, but youth is what it is."

    I see you carried pathetic into adult hood.

    "I didn't start becoming popular until I was kicked out of my house and had to live in apartments full of large groups of people."

    You weren't popular till you lived among losers. A Lord of the Flies. King of the Rats. The one eyed man in the land of the blind.
    This must be the Real Peter Pan. I can smell the loser stench coming from him. Welcome back.

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  44. Thanks for the welcome, Thundybear.
    It's nice to have you back. :)

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  45. one of my earliest memories is of sitting in a shopping cart in a grocery store, watching my mom and checking out the things in the aisles. passing us in the other direction was another child about my age, in a cart his mother was pushing, except this child was screaming bloody murder because his mother wouldn't give him what he wanted. i thought his behavior was, well, it seemed shocking to me at the time, and the thought that went through my little head was..."i could never behave like that, these people have been so good to me".
    i've always thought it was strange when remembering that moment that i thought of my parents as "these people". for some reason behaving "civilized" has always been important. lol here i am dissecting that moment, when it probably all just means i was raised right!

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  46. I completely concur with the author's depiction of his/her childhood. I went through the exact same thing as a child. I separate my childhood based on what my teacher's reports to my parents. I began as an aggressive child, which lasted until fifth grade. At that point it changed to passive aggressive or introverted. I was trying to figure out how to fit in with the masses. By high school, I understood the basics, but still had some refining to do.

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