Wednesday, November 26, 2014

Identifying as a sociopath

This is a thoughtful article about, inter alia, M.E. The most "relevant" portions below:
Nevertheless, it is an interesting topic so I went looking for a sociopath and found one. Sociopath World: Inside the Mind of a Sociopath is a blog written by an anonymous self-proclaimed sociopath. Though it’s possibly a work of fiction, I believe that the person writing it truly does identify with the sociopathic condition. The blog has been active since 2008 and there are hundreds of posts. I have only read a few articles but what I have read has been well written. I can’t really characterize the author but there is an uncanny intellectualism and rationality to his or her writing. I would definitely recommend the blog as the autoethnography of a sociopath.

The self-identified sociopath does raise a few questions.

First, I want to say that I do not believe in black or white conditions. If I were a psychiatrist, I would hand out labels very sparingly. Probably all people experience schizotypal symptoms in their life and many have schizotypal tendencies but it’s insufficient to label them schizophrenic. Likewise, I believe sociopathy must exist on a gradient spectrum. What shade of gray makes you a full-blown sociopath?

I am ultimately wondering what the consequences of self-identification are? Labels are a way of making sense of the world so I suppose self-identification helps one come to terms with their self. Interestingly the comments on Sociopath World sometimes read like a support group for sociopaths. The idea that sociopaths (feel as if they) suffer from their condition is somewhat counterintuitive.
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Of course, one need not identify as a sociopath to be one. I am only curious as to what the benefits of self-identification are. That said, I believe many people possess varying degrees of innate potential to be a sociopath.

We see a remarkable ratio of people willing to commit atrocities in obedience to authority in both life and in experimentation. In accord with activity theory, I believe there is a threshold in doing where we internalize our actions. The Milgram experiment combined with the Stanford prison experiment only demonstrates that normal people can be pushed beyond that threshold. Social influence needs not be that dramatic. The author of Sociopath World makes an astute observation of his or her own condition, writing

“After spending time with my family recently, I am more convinced that nurture had a significant role to play in my development into a sociopath. When people ask me whether I had a bad childhood, I tell them that it was actually relatively unremarkable, however I can see how the antisocial behaviors and mental posturing that now define me were incentivized when I was growing up — how my independent emotional world was stifled and how understanding and respect for the emotional world of others died away. Still I don’t think I was “made” into a sociopath, nor was I born one. I feel like I was born with that predisposition, that I made a relatively conscious decision to rely on those skills instead of developing others, and that the decision was made in direct response to my environment and how I could best survive and even thrive in that environment.”

85 comments:

  1. The shade of grey is the pclr. I don't see where the authors confusion lies.
    I'm not a hundred percent in psychology's corner but I can't argue with the truth either. In what is said I am typical. I don't agree that I am 'suffering' from a disorder.
    Remorse and empathy seem to cause disorders, not the lack thereof.

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  2. What high praise! Well done, dear.

    I wonder what Kevin meant by M.E.'s uncanny intellectualism and rationality?

    If he wasn't pondering Satanists and passing kidney stones I might ask the good man himself...

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  3. is that u zeric

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  4. Yes, yes it is. Patt and I have been on something of a seduction spree. But I must step out of her exquisite skin now and be stubbly old me.

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  5. i dont care about lables but i come here anyway and i been surprised by how much i seen of me. last week i killed my fat neighbours ugly cat with a airgun and mugged a lady cos all oldies should be put down anyway cos they are disgusting (yuck!!) and i needed to by dope. i don know if im a sociapath but i have heard some very intersting things here.

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  6. One pitfall I see with Socio's on this blog is impulse control, the more self aware and maturing one's know this is a valued control that they need to have to be more successeful, where the younger just think of their more distructive behavior as part of their invinsible self. Everyone lately seems to just ignor them, they'll either learn from this blog or end up in jail.

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  7. 'more self aware and maturing one's'

    or in other words, the one's who aren't really sociopaths. socio's don't have impulse control, that is part of what defines them.

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  8. I know I am a little late on this blog, but I would like to add my personal experience with this.

    I consider myself emotionless. Growing up, I see people showing emotions toward one another, especially through movies and TV shows. When I portray emotions, e.g. caring, love, remorse, thankfulness etc... I am remembering a specific scene from a movie and acting it out. I see myself as at an advantage. I do not get lost by emotions; I see that as a weakness. I have been able to perfect the acting out of emotions toward others and that helps me live a normal life but it does not conflict with my intentions and goals.

    I have pictured what a successful and perfect being is and I am set out to accomplish that image. In my eyes, success is intelligence, wealth, power, but also being known as a helpful and good person. I have to still be accepted by other beings. To their standards, it is also about being a good person, which I can see as a good thing.

    When I look at people, I see interactions and observation. To me, people are predictable, almost to a weakness. If I decide I want to help them and show compassion, I easily will. (In most cases I do).

    All of this may seem conceded, but when I look at things, I think analytically. I think with predictions, statistics, compared theories and numbers. I cannot think any other way. Some may see it as unfortunate, but you really don’t miss what you never have had. I enjoy acting and playing a part then going back to my normal self at the end of the day instead of being overpowered and consumed by emotions.

    Sometimes, interacting with people gets to be a huge hassle. I get tired of acting like I care about what someone has to say next, or feeling compassion toward a “compelling” story another so anxiously wants to share with me. I get tired of guys thinking they can hook me with a swift line or two. Sometimes, I feel it easier to be solitary, but that contradicts with my image of perfect.

    And so I go on…

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  9. Does that picture mean that ME is a girl ?

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  10. I am unfamiliar with what ME is, along with this blog. I personally am a female though.

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  11. from ME twitter "You immerse a sociopath in empathy & all you get is a wet sociopath."

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  12. @ Pat, thanks for checking out my site. In regards to your question, I would say that the author of this site is intellectual and it is uncanny because we think of sociopaths as evil, which brings connotations to the mind of the more romantic, even mythic, portrayals of killers and serial killers. I believe there is a surreal quality to the idea of a smart and sophisticated predator, especially one the shows no emotion or remorse.

    Hope that satisfies your question.

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  13. ALL sociopaths are known to LOVE to have their lips sucked onto anal sphincter, preferably of the really, really, really smelly fat trucker type, also sociopaths are known to try to manipulate truckers into letting them share the sleeper cab on long hauls, and the sociopath is glad to play "whore bitch", and give head while "going down the road", also, "shit cleaner", and eat the truckers shit so the trucker doesn't have to stop driving, and "cum sponge" and spread their ass cheeks at the truck stop for dollars, so the trucker can get a bite to eat.

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  14. Sociopath support group?

    Must have been reading Kesu or something, ha! I don't see how it is necessarily counter intuitive though. There are legitimate struggles in life thanks to the condition, and if someone wants help, why would it be counter intuitive to ask for it?

    Let me ask you this Kevin. Theoretical scenario: Say you had a lovely partner, one who was good looking, loyal, great conversation, and good in the sack to boot. But no matter how much time you spent with this partner, you could never connect. All those lovey-dovey portrayals you saw on tv, all those gushing feelings, hell, seeing them on your partner even, surely you could consider that a tease to be deprived of whatever they're feeling. That you will never truly be able to love someone past obsession, because you are utterly incapable of compassion.

    It makes the whole human bonding experience (or lack thereof) very tiring, and often times disappointing. Whether it's a lover, or a friend, you'll never get to enjoy that connection you get to see folks make all the time. It's like taking a drug that your body doesn't react to. You spend time and money getting it, but when you finally ingest what you're supposed to, nothing happens.

    It's all very disappointing.

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    1. I think you hit the nail here. "Whether it's a lover, or a friend, you'll never get to enjoy that connection you get to see folks make all the time. It's like taking a drug that your body doesn't react to."

      Enjoyed reading your post.

      Grendel

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  15. good title change in my opinion, best with one instance of exact keyword in title.. less is more in seo especially if you have your act together externally but, do have the less

    i remember reading somewhere that the one thing that defines s/p is they don't feel guilt so I guess as soon is that grey is reach then you have something

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  16. interesting, post less helpful/informative than usual. not support group, require none. more like information resources, tools for advanced prolonged breathing. start toolkit site. list common modifications to body (hardware) physical talents (firmware) external mental talents (drivers) internal mental talents (software). must update. improve. survive. exceed. dominate. rule. guides currently hosted target audience too weak. not to point. yes, no ethics morals conscience. weak upgrade, strong must also. orders finished.

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  18. --mord: good points, thinking tactically i see. personally i got similar things from this site, just not recently. being a less-than-old person, i find it good to have google as a resource for doing things ive never heard of before. unfortunately for me, there arent guides designed for the heartless.

    someone with experience should write one though, "everything you need to know to be an epic sociopath" or something like that. just little bits of advice on people-controlling and stuff like that. i find it difficult to manipulate the poor and depressed, having grown up rich as hell. guides on good pretexts and specific techniques would be nice. can i get a description of the basic facts of all emotions? i find them difficult to understand not entirely believing they exist.

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  19. Ahhhh. So nice to be on so many peoples lips for no fucking reason.

    Well we all know he wouldn't be reading one of your long winded pseudo-intellectual rants Note. I mean the rest of us generally skip it.

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  20. me what you should do now is look for code (easy with wordpress as i recall) that allows unique posts and pages to have the title of blog at the end of the title of the post... the home page should be s w as you have now but anything else should be: unique content - s w (spelled out)

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  21. i know for me the attraction to sociopathy is at least in some good part due to trying to imagine what the consiousness of an s is like.. i also like to read s prose... at best

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  22. to the common sociopath the total and complete intrigue of life in general is rectal, meaning any huge cock wedged way, way up a sociopaths ass is considered the sociopath's "holy grail".

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  23. Kevin, thank you.

    Pat is one of my personas I'm using to fuel desire in one of my victims - she's so superbly effective at peeling the fool away from himself.

    But I, Zeric, see myself as something of a Byronic sociopath too. I'm an aggressively individualistic hero to many, and complex in my charisma.

    My self-identification is a statement of group consciousness: I am, we are, sociopaths.

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  24. Kayla, welcome.

    Collecting, and cataloguing, the content of rare and exotic minds is an agreeable pursuit second only to trapping such specimens under glass.

    I, too, become the being I want to be based on mimicking the behaviour of others – but one of the drawbacks of putting minds under knives is that yes, predictability renders much interaction banal.

    When I do bother with it for the most part I observe, passively, to see how far others will go. On the rare occasions that a person is able to engage me vividly, I swallow them whole, and manipulate with intensity.

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  25. black sabath is for faggots and satanic loosers like kevin who luv making the sine of the devil cos it lets them stick their dick in goats

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  26. the only mimicked behavior of the 'path is for sucking ass.

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  27. zeric r u going to study the specimen above me

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  28. I found this blog entry with my sexy Sherlock socio skills. I have come out of my responsibilities with my mother's illness to say Kevin I love your blog, very insightful.

    Note, compassion is not what you THINK.

    Zeric, you are a handful.

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  29. Why thank you, Soulful!

    It's so lovely to see you back, dear.

    I do try to be *reasonably* watertight in my urgings but there's always the odd little loophole to exploit ;)

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  30. I am not back. I am forth. I have benefited by my singularity of focus. You on the other hand are a very devious manipulative adult child.

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  31. Oh, do stop, you're spoiling me.

    Well, dear, may the forth be with you :)

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  32. So much joy in such a attention loving demon. Everyday is such a field day for you dear.

    Thank you I will carry on with dynamic and reflective force in my forward moving and tangible forth.



    A quote for the rest of the gang . . .

    "I can stand brute force, but brute reason is quite unbearable. There is something unfair about its use. It is hitting below the intellect.” Oscar Wilde

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  33. "So much joy in such a attention loving demon. Everyday is such a field day for you dear."

    r u talking about zeric or u i cant stand brute farce

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  34. picture of dorian gray!!!!!!1

    socio o no?

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  35. 4 eva young 4 eva cursedMay 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM

    One can always be kind to people about whom one cares nothing.

    I choose my friends for their good looks, my acquaintances for their good characters, and my enemies for their good intellects. A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies.

    The advantage of the emotions is that they lead us astray, and the advantage of science is that it is not emotional.

    I like persons better than principles, and I like persons with no principles better than anything else in the world.

    We are not sent into the world to air our moral prejudices.

    I love acting. It is so much more real than life.

    Knowledge would be fatal, it is the uncertainty that charms one. A mist makes things beautiful.

    Being natural is simply a pose.

    I can believe anything, provided that it is quite incredible.

    There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.

    The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself.

    Sin is the only real colour element left in modern life.

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  36. You read everything I write here Kesu, and you just proved that you read one of my lengthier comments (about half the size of your typical walls of text).

    Pseudo-intellectual? I don't try to sound or portray anything at a certain intelligence level when I'm speaking frankly. That's just the vocabulary and imagery I utilize.

    In fact, I don't think there are any identified sociopathic pseudo-intellectuals here, but there are some people who try awfully hard to set a tone in what they say on a regular basis... Their style, I guess. Sometimes it's catchy, sometimes it dances (and falls) on a razor's edge between poetic and nauseatingly pretentious.

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  37. Note, I do apologise.

    My nauseating pretension comes only from mimicry.

    I shall fire my muse at once and seek out someone with a less affected poeticised presence.

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  38. zeric u can use me as long as ur not a faggot about it

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  39. I'm offering up alphapet - no conditions attached. Any takers?

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  40. Seriousness is the only refuge of the shallow.

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  41. funny bit, i have been contemplating something very private for some time. i wonder if you might be interested in some serious discourse. While i don't know you very well, i feel we both examine the complexities of life with a stilted....

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  42. has anyone wikipediaed blah Blah and Blah !? In an effort to understand the significance of Blah, I have, and..................










    BLAH!

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  43. Rabbit in a TigersuitMay 26, 2011 at 9:03 PM

    One Alphapet please. Nevermind the hutch.

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  44. Zeric-- you express yourself beautifully in many skins. I look forward to your periodic molting.

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  45. NotablePath is Zeric is PuppetMaster

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  46. even funnier bit additionMay 26, 2011 at 11:07 PM

    add AMoralBing in that cluster!

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  47. M.E. is clearly a she, minted from the same coin as Soulful. The reverse is always true.

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  48. After a year knowing this person there's no other way to put it...he's a sociopath. ALL the symptoms I MEAN ALL. I was suspecting something was wrong with him when we started talking on the phone and then started noticing more and more. This past semester I took a psychology class and my professor brought sociopath/psychopath symptoms and that's when I figured that he's one. He's my brother-in-law. He has made me and my boyfriend's life a living hell. He hacks into my emails, social networks, cellphone. He changes his number to one that he knows I'll pick up to. He literally stalked me everywhere I went, mall, park, walk down the street. He seriously has stood outside my house this past year just stalking me. I'm a pretty strong girl when it comes to emotions and I do share ALOT of socio traits but I know I'm not one because I do feel empathy(although hardly ever). I don't want anyone making ignorant comments or tell me to just move on. I just want a few opinions on what he might want(other than sleeping with me since I refused). His family got him stuck in an island (Idk how) and he can't come back to the US but he STILL manages to screw things up for me and my bf to see each other.I did break up with his brother but he still doesn't leave him or me alone.

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  49. I don't think it's a bad thing that I don't feel empathy, remorse and guilt. I think it's a benefit, an evolved response. From what I read about empathy and guilt, I keep drawing the same conclusion: that those feelings would get in the way of my plans and schemes. They would impede on my efforts of success. We are evolutionarily built to succeed. I don't see how those emotions would help us. Why feel sorry for someone? Because they are weak? Why should we give up on our goals just because someone got in our way and got hurt. I do things sometimes that ordinary people find appalling. I don't see why it's bad.

    Aren't ordinary people so boring? I get an insatiable desire for adventure and stimulation. It is so frustrating when everyone around me are so moronic. It aggravates me. If I understand something and can think of something, then WHY CAN'T YOU? I get I'm much smarter than those around me but still. I spend lots of time wondering what it would be like to have a slow mind, a mind that isn't acting like a freight train processing and sorting incoming information and stimuli. Sometimes I wish that I could feel emotions, just for a day. I don't think of my sociopathy as a disorder. It's a benefit. It shows that we are better than ordinary humans and are the perfect predators. Emotions seem incredibly annoying.

    As for the whole subject of sociopathy and love. I don't love people but rather I am attached to people. I care about few people but when I do care about someone it's a very intense attachment to that person and it's very difficult to explain how it feels. Maybe someone else knows what I'm talking about? I know that boring, ordinary people don't feel like this but I think it's rather stimulating. Why should I care about this person? Why would I do something for this person unless it benefits me? Ordinary people would describe it as selfish but I think it's logical. I don't love these people but I am very protective of them. If someone crosses a person that I care about, I will talk to them for 5 minutes and immediately know their weaknesses. I will then exploit these weaknesses to psychologically rip them apart.

    It is in some way fun to have to blend in with ordinary people. All the friends, relationships, classes and conversations are just forms of camouflage. It's satisfying to remain hidden but I will admit that sometimes it's exhausting, having to put on different masks. That's why I self-identified myself as a sociopath to someone I know, as an experiment and admittedly so I could talk to an ordinary person.

    I find it excruciatingly boring to talk to ordinary people sometimes.
    "Look at me. Look at all my problems. I need help. Blah blah blah. I don't give a fuck."
    Some particular people's problems to elicit a sort of challenge or opportunity which I can't help but investigate. These sorts of things interest and attract me. I have a guy feeling that one day I'll unwittingly walk into a trap set me some of the ignorant idiots in the world who are out to get us because they feel we are "abominations" and "creatures", but until then I will enjoy my subjects thoroughly.

    It's delightfully interesting to meet another sociopath. I've only have the fortune to meet another sociopath once and I enjoyed every minute of it. I got to study the exterior of a sociopath, as did he. I didn't have to test him as I could spot him immediately. I actually wondered for a moment how everybody else didn't realise what he was but then discarded that thought because due to my natural "talent" I can easily discern things about people. I can read between the lines.

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  51. A sociopath must "be found" by a proper authority? They can not "come out" of their psycho closet by themselves? It is not appropriate? The benefits of identifying with something the individual sees/feels is true surely is "fulfilllment"? They become who they are when they become aware of it, that´s the charm of other "creeds" such as the zodiac according to many. Case closed then? What´s for dinner? Mmm, some macaroni & a tasty sauce, vegetarian delights..

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  52. I just found these - they are going on the xmas list. Hysterical!

    http://citizenbrick.com/

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  53. Good post.

    Some of the comments are amusing. "Ordinary people are so boring." I'd say that many socios can be just, if not more boring. Just how many times do you think people want to hear about your lust for power, fame and fortune? How wonderful you are? Lusting after a perfect 'image' rather than working to become an authentic person, developing your essence, is so commonly banal. Everyone pines to be special. It's the unique human who has the strength to be honest with themselves and live their truth in the open. Which, btw, almost never coincides with being popular. But being popular based on a false image never fills the void -- only being a real person can fill the gap. Look at all the miserable famous rich folks, how empty they feel, etc.

    Why are so many socios obsessed with the idea that having no empathy/feelings is better? There are pros and cons to each state of being. Empaths would do well to grow a thicker, colder skin; that would help balance their lives and allow them to make better, more healthy decisions. On when, where and on whom to have sympathy for. Socios might actually find themselves more fulfilled, certainly less empty, if they learned or even strove to learn to develop a feeling sense of the world. Feelings color reality, and sometimes that can lead to seeing beauty where others find none. The perception of beauty always fosters feelings of love, and when our definition of beauty increases so does our love increase. I love monsters as much as I love knights in shining armor. Monsters have taught me to love the darkness and to appreciate the struggle of those who feel unloved.

    Grendel

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    1. Grendel hands up to u!
      "It's the unique human who has the strength to be honest with themselves and live their truth in the open. Which, btw, almost never coincides with being popular. But being popular based on a false image never fills the void -- only being a real person can fill the gap"

      I am eating your words and I am done with my "dose of wisdom for today" with this!

      Thank you

      Mia

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    2. Thank you, Mia.

      Grendel

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    3. Grendel, I also liked you post. "The perception of beauty always fosters feelings of love, and when our definition of beauty increases so does our love increase."

      This is an interesting statement -- I think it provides a broader view of love than what is commonly understood. I do wonder about the 'always' part though. Is it possible to perceive beauty without any feeling of love?

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    4. Grendel, I enjoyed your post today. Both empaths and socios have something to offer, flip sides of the coin. We need both for a more complete picture. If we can embody aspects of both and not beat ourselves about it, all the better. Just pick the quality that's most appropriate in the moment.

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    5. @SciFi, Re: 'always.' I think this might very well be so. But, one must distinguish between the desire to possess versus giving love. The first seeks to own the person, for personal enjoyment; it holds the object captive whether or not the object wants to be possessed. The second seeks to liberate, to nurture no matter what. Even if one's own desire must be sacrificed. I don't believe that a person who seeks to possess another truly does see the whole beauty of that person. If they did, I would think they would see the beauty that seeks to become an individual, a being of will and power in their own right. But maybe I'm wrong, simply projecting my own stuff.

      Grendel

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    6. Dr. SciFi, Thanks for the compliment, btw. I've enjoyed your posts, too. Been reading here a while.

      Grendel

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    7. @Pandy, Thank you.

      "If we can embody aspects of both and not beat ourselves about it, all the better. Just pick the quality that's most appropriate in the moment."

      That's the trick all right! Even the yogi masters have been known to be dragons now and then, when their students need to be 'disciplined' not by metaphysical sparkles but by a blast of harsh light.

      Grendel

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  54. I read your book maybe three weeks ago and identified with many things. I don't know where I stand in the spectrum but here are a few of my observations:

    I sometimes feel something that is almost like "quilt" but it is not because I worry what others feel. It is more like me calculating my own benefit. For example right now I'm in the middle of this business-related scenario. I am basically trying to steel what's not mine. So I constantly analyze my moves trying to achieve the best possible outcome. My "quilt" is more like "s**t, maybe I shouldn't have done that because these people getting really angry might make it really difficult for me to advance in my career" type of thing.

    I love to feel very strongly and I am very good at stimulating my mind by drinking wine / smoking weed / listening to really good music for example. I can feel really strongly but I can snap out of it really easily as well. Actually feeling strongly is one of my favorite hobbies and I don't need anyone to be able to feel that way.

    I guess my goal in life is to be as free as possible and enjoy life as much as possible. I achieve that by doing as little as possible and only those things that I love. I am very good at getting people on my side. I act very kind and humble but really I squeeze out of people as much as I can. I love people: I especially love intelligent people that I can analyze things with because it's those conversations that make me understand this world and myself better hence making it easier for me to reach my goals.

    I have by now achieved my goals pretty well because I'm in a situation where I can basically wake up and set my own schedule every single day. I earn good money doing what I love – and sometimes I help myself by getting some extra where I can even if it means manipulating people or situations a little. Life is like a game for me and I really like to lead a comfortable life (as in nice home, clothes, traveling, lots of leisure time etc).

    Quite often in the beginning of a relationship (work or personal) I almost like really really fall in love with someone. I am intrigued by them and want to know them inside out. But once I do, I always get bored and then I don't care what happens to that other person. It's like they become air to me. I don't want to harm them, I just don't care about them anymore at all. I home that one day I will meet someone who is so interesting, stimulating and unpredictable that I never get bored of them.

    I have loads of friends and family and I really enjoy spending time with people that stimulate my mind or are fun to spend time with. If I lost them all tomorrow, I wouldn't worry about it too much. I would find other people to spend time with. I don't know if that means that I have sociopathic tendencies or if it's just easy for me to let go of things.

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    1. Anon is that for real?! or have you copied and paste the persona you are creating?! it feels so empty! hope it is not you. I bet you better then this. honestly.

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  55. Are you for real? Maybe it just feels empty to you.

    Perhaps it's true, perhaps I made it up. Who knows. Who cares.

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  56. Sociopaths are generally never boring, they most likely are among the hardest folks on earth to "give social approvals" due to hatred of mankind & "collectives" (where one is supposed to fit in/adjust). Therefore its sort of flattering if one suddenly has got a psychopath looking for friendship or more; this is not given to just anyone (IF its given for nonprofitable/nonsexual reasons). To hang out with the socio: maybe not good, but seldom tediousl. Slick defense lawyer fighting for the cause of "socio righs" in the future, exclaiming: "-COLD PERHAPS, NEVER DULL!"

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  57. Hi Everyone,

    I am a Sociopath. This is my first time on the blog and I stumbled across it while reading confessions of a sociopath on the path to understanding myself. I had a question: I sometimes find that I am unable to communicate with children or kids because I am unable to accurately manipulate them like I would an adult or teenager. It is my experience that kids are more likely to sense when something is off and as a result are harder to manipulate as I would an adult. Any help here ?

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  58. Potofbeans

    Any help about what?! manipulating kids?!.... talk to your paedophile friends.... that is their expertise right!?

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  59. I didn't actually need help manipulating kids. I was trying to understand if there was something in kids that lets them see us sociopaths for what we really are. I feel naked around kids unable to mirror any emotions but not so difficult around adults...

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    1. kids are also in a very self-centered stage. In that way to understand what is going on with them, they do not yet use "mirrors". We start to use mirrors, when we realise that "Hello there is me... there is him out there". The mirror is a very good manipulation tool. As if I see "me" I am at easy with "me". So it is a very clever way to connect with people, that can be use in many forms.
      My therapist actually does that, and it helps!
      Let me ask you something else! may I?! Going around mirroring people and not been able to show your true colours might be very tiring?! I wonder!

      I think I would be so resentful if I can not be me...

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    2. Potofbeans if you could not manipulate anyone anymore. Do you think, this would be a survival risk?! I very much wonder about that too.

      Anyway, i think the self knowing journey is by far the most exciting and challenging one I have taken. Good luck for u

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    3. can't help but want to ask one last thing!

      When around kids. Do you have a drive/impulse to break their innocence?! Fell pleasure with the idea or a chance to traumatize them?! or would you protect them from potential sociopaths you spot?!

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  60. I began my journey 3 weeks ago after the 5th person this year suggested to met that I may be a sociopath. I had previously ignored the other 4 people because I laughed them off as joking. I took the 5th person a bit more seriously. I come from a country in west Africa and as a result due to our high traditional views it's difficult for someone like me to discover he is infact a sociopath. I'm fortunate to be living in the U.S at the moment because I would most likely have been taken to a prayer deliverance session and had the devil prayed out of me if I had undertaken this journey of self discovery back home. So far I have red "the sociopath next door" and confessions of a sociopath.

    To answer your question, it gets exhausting constantly mirroring people and I'm an event planner who usually gets up to 700 people at my events. Imagine trying to mirror 700 people at least half who I consider not worth my time or effort. Anyway enough rambling, I'm happy to be among "family" LOL. There's no better feeling than finally understanding who I am because for the longest I went along making apologies even though I never felt remorse or guilt. It feels good to be home

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  61. I had someone tell me that Mimicry is my survival mechanism. However, we have evolved far beyond our hunter gatherer days and as a result subtler emotions and nuance play a greater role.

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    1. yes welcome home. as you know at home and in families we are all diverse. The main thing is we get to learn from each other here. The house is not mine. I am just M.E. host :)

      I do not consider myself a sociopath. I was actually, if you can say a "victim" of some. So I am here to understand more about myself and others.

      I totally understand your fear of going to a hot Caldron by been a sociopath. Who wouldn't been in a place where people have so restricted perceptions of human nature. Same here in my hometown. Honestly I wouldn't run to call anyone a sociopath. I think we humans are beyond labels. I would say someone shows some sociopath patterns in his way of relating and behaving. But you are beyond that. o you get what I mean?!

      By the way trying to please 700 people and be liked by them is absolutely draining. Wow.... I have worked setting up events at some point. I am very relaxed and been nice to people is very natural to me, but been nice to a bunch of assholes; that was hard. I truly wanted to poison them, put some laxative in their drinks... Now instead of trying to be liked. I pay close attention to who I LIKE. I have change completely my circumstances, so that is possible now, what is a relief.

      gotta go! good luck

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  62. Eliot moose, Alter women is on the loose. I like it when different personas start talking back & forth to each other. I am new too. Just came on the blog. Call me mofo. Tomorrow came me nuuky. Next week call me ass wipe.

    This is me. I'm sexy . My boobs are delicious.

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  63. Has anyone read The People of the Lie ? -- "If we seriously think about it, it probably makes more sense to assume this is a naturally evil world that has somehow been mysteriously 'contaminated' by goodness, rather than the other way around. The mystery of goodness is even greater than the mystery of evil..."

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  64. Good post.

    Some of the comments are amusing. "Ordinary people are so boring." I'd say that many socios can be just, if not more boring. Just how many times do you think people want to hear about your lust for power, fame and fortune? How wonderful you are? Lusting after a perfect 'image' rather than working to become an authentic person, developing your essence, is so commonly banal. Everyone pines to be special. It's the unique human who has the strength to be honest with themselves and live their truth in the open. Which, btw, almost never coincides with being popular. But being popular based on a false image never fills the void -- only being a real person can fill the gap. Look at all the miserable famous rich folks, how empty they feel, etc.

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