Monday, August 13, 2012

Moral codes, boundaries and food allergies

I think empaths' brains work differently than mine. There are certain things that they consider sacrosanct that I just think are normal, or even silly. Luckily I was brought up in a religious household, so I learned that some invisible things actually mean a lot to other people: love, patriotism, god, goodness, etc. I learned that the general rule to avoid unwanted conflict is to respect those beliefs in others, even though they do not mean anything to me. This is sort of a hallmark of a modern, civilized society. When we walk into holy buildings, we remove our shoes if that is the custom even though the god of that temple may not be our own.

That is what we are socialized to do, but there is some debate regarding how much respect we should give other people's beliefs. For instance, if you believe cows are sacred, I'm fine with your boycotting beef, but your beliefs won't stop me from eating a cheeseburger in front of you. If the average person is willing to take off his shoes in your temple but eat a cheeseburger in front of you, what will he do about your belief that abortion is murder or your beliefs that the female labia is dirty and needs to be cut off or the vagina stitched up to ensure the purity of the woman? What is legitimate?

To me it seems like random line drawing: sodomy between two consenting adults is legitimate, sodomy between an adult and a child not legitimate. Public nudity is wrong, but so is a woman covering up from head to foot. There are reasons, sure. I have heard reasons. But many empaths will criticize dolphin slaughter while eating animals raised in deplorable conditions. (By the way, stop eating octupus. They are very smart, precocious creatures.) How do they reconcile this? What makes them freak about one thing and be so permissive about another?

I am a very tolerant person. I attribute this to my sociopathy. Unlike empaths, who are so hard-wired to believe whatever their culture has programmed them to think, I can look at something from a blank slate point of view. I guess this is also why I'm a libertarian -- I don't believe that my ideas are so right that they should be imposed on others, even if those other people disagree. In other words, I am as skeptical about the beliefs I hold as I am about the beliefs of others. And I don't play favorites like empaths who say, "Imposing my beliefs on others is fine because mine are supported by (fill in the blank pet reasons: science, religion, logic, tradition, etc.), but you can't do the same because your beliefs are only supported by (fill in the blank hated reasons: science, religion, logic, tradition, etc.)." So I trend away from imposing my beliefs on others, and I don't necessarily think that one basis for beliefs is better than another. That doesn't mean I don't respect people's beliefs, though. To keep the peace and as a courtesy to others that I expect to be reciprocated, i will almost always take off my shoes when walking on someone's sacred ground.

Does that make me not a sociopath? Ha. Well, the process of how I do it sounds at least Aspergian. How do I know when to take off my shoes? It's like discovering a food allergy. Maybe you eat something at a restaurant and get sick. Other people from your party ate the same thing and did not get sick. Maybe you just caught a flu bug, you think. A few months later you eat something else and get similar symptoms. The symptoms seem the same, but you don't know what could be the common ingredient. You keep collecting info, eliminating this, eliminating that, keeping a mental log of what you could possibly be allergic to. It is clear to you by now that even though you cannot see what is making you sick, can't even identify it, there is certainly something wrong because you keep getting bad reactions. Maybe your boss periodically gets angry at you in the same way. Maybe your spouse can't stand to be around you when you are like _____. I am in those types of situations all the time -- people are mad at me and I have no idea why. chances are, though, I am encroaching on someone's moral code and/or sense of personal boundaries. I have learned that either I keep doing the same thing and getting the same adverse reaction, or I figure something else out. otherwise I'm in for a world of hurt, because it's like a moral/personal boundary minefield out there. Right aspies?

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  1. i dunno. i would think a sociopath knows exactly what buttons to push or not to push to get a certain result out of somebody. maybe when you dont pay attention youll reveal your selfish behavior/thoughts but certainly not purposefully.

    thoughts?

    ps oh and yeah i totally gave up on the subject of love earlier.

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  2. Sociopathy is not a perfected science.

    Understanding empath triggers is a learning process. You either adapt and change your behavior and benefit or continue throwing the baby out with the bath water and suffer as ME points out.

    I'm often way too complacent with my behavior towards others. I wonder why they react in a certain manner. Why were they upset? Cry? Lash out? What did I do?

    When things start to stir and you aren't interested in playing it's time to change your strategy.

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    1. You won't ever understand triggers if you think of non psychopaths as a group. I don't do victimless morals, victimless crime, or stupid views myself but some do. All my morals have to do with actual hurt of people. I don't care about people not dressing because that doesn't actually hurt anyone, making the human body a crime is stupid and just bizarre. I care about people being forced to wear stuff they don't want to wear though. Another thing, the whole not hitting chicks stuff, it's just sexist. I've seen a girl get all shocked and cry and freak out because a guy hit her but she took a punch n kick that was clearly worse from a girl way better. just weird... I appreciate being immune from half the population's assaults and battery though. (okay, not to say that nothing will ever to me by the hand of a guy but it's stopped a lot of attacks on females).

      I don't really care about "respecting" people's beliefs that I don't agree with, I don't even know what that means, people use and change the meaning as they see fit. They can bitch at me when I do it with them or their friend, but they're hypocrites because I'm sure they argue with others about their views too.

      With the whole dolphin slaughter and eating animals raised in deplorable conditions thing, some people even eat the animals when they're against the conditions they are raised in.

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  3. In my book, true sociopaths are more bullshit than ability, take risks well beyond any rational rewards, are always gaming and never introspective, value chaos over efficiency, and don't worry much about making enemies. Their “moral insanity” goes well beyond simply ignoring empathic cultural norms. Their behavior often doesn’t make any rational sense at all, unless you understand their dysfunction.

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    1. Then your book is biased. Add it to the already huge list of trash science on the subject.

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    2. It's only as biased as a book saying they're more ability than bullshit. I see a simple disagreement here.

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  4. anonymous

    i generally agree, but there is a difference in high normal or low functioning ones.

    plus some are manipulatively so good at their game that although making enemies, they will instill fear and chaos in them enough to have them not block their path so to speak.

    thoughts?

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    1. The best manipulators can make their 'victims' do their bidding without even noticing it (making ideas seem like it comes from the 'victim' rather than yourself); sometimes they don't even know why they've fallen so far. This is probably the best form of manipulation if you can pull it off; you don't want to leave tracks and have someone expose you.

      Personally, if I make enemies, I make sure that they fall so far that nobody trusts them anymore; it's quite easy to make them look unstable and pretend to be the innocent party if you press their buttons right. I find this to be much better than creating enemies who fear you; they might try to strike back one day if you find yourself in an unfavourable situation. I don't like having a dagger at my back, so to speak.

      Oh and while I do take risks, I always weight their pros and cons and how it benefits me. I wouldn't do something that's super risky with little gain; that's just pure idiocy.

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  5. Anon:

    Nothing wrong with a little irrational bullshit now and again. Moral Insanity? Don't you think you're using that term a bit loosely?

    IMO you're playing broken records. Why not simply pimp your book so we can have a read and be done with it? That begs the question, do you understand our dysfunction?

    Disney: Is there a difference? Or is this simply a case for a can of mixed nuts?

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  6. Such a cute little baby.

    Gosh, those cheeks look so pinch-able!

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  7. To Anonymous at 3.33pm:
    Partially true. People who abide by social norms don't understand what to do when someone doesn't conform to them. Sociopaths with low intelligence can still get away with manipulation because any ordinary person would not expect to be manipulated. And when they are, they will count it as a one-off occurence. To someone who no qualms about lying, people are easy to control. There's nothing intrinsically genius about sociopaths. Any ability they have is due to a lack of social norms and empathy, and practice.

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  8. Sociopaths are really pretty easy to control. Just let them believe they've got you fooled, find out what they desire most, and make yourself a source for it. They'll do awesome and amusing things to keep in your good graces.

    I never used to have to worry about a ride, a place to stay, food whenever I wanted it, company if I needed it, introductions to new friends, what-have-you, because my sociopath buddy would arrange it all for me to stay on my good side. He'd betray his friends and fiance, call in favors, lie for me, whatever it took.

    In his mind, he was using me and everyone around him to get what he wanted. The truth of the matter is that he was pretty much a paid servant. I think it also helped that I approved of his dastardly ways.

    It doesn't really work so well with the stupid ones, though. They'll rob you for instant gratification instead of seeing you as an investment to be nurtured and worshiped as needed.

    Good times. :)

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    1. Sociopaths are really pretty easy to control.

      When I read this I thought the comment was going to be complete shit, but then I thought back to some of the sociopathic individuals I was "friends" with and how they do different things for me that others wouldn't, like the time a friend stole me a very useful item from a store, and how they don't seem to mind sharing money if its for the fun of the group. Also, like you said, they will betray others in various ways for your benefit.

      If they see you as a valuable investment then you can get some crazy good favors just because they want to be on your good side, especially if there is any tension between the two of you that they want to resolve and know its because of something they did even if they don't understand it.

      BUT, the world "control" is VERY wrong. They are incredibly hard to control because of how impulsive and reckless they are. I definitely remember how frustrating one of my sociopath buddies was because he was like a little kid that was always getting into something, you had to watch him every second otherwise he'd stumble into some potential hazard. Thats definitely a strong pattern I remember, always wondering what shit the person would get into next that would result in some problems not just for them but the both/all of us.

      Anyway, a key to getting all these favors is being non-judgemental toward their sociopathic qualities, down for the crazy adventures they stir up, and a resourceful person who can act as a personified encyclopedia for them.

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    2. anon 10:05

      My ex has someone like you in his life. He is afraid of him deep down. Once in a while he will try to tempt him into throwing a party at his house with the promise of lots of girls. My ex spoke badly of him like he is a clown. Don't think they are not aware, is all I'm saying. He'd throw you under a bus for no justifiable reason.

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  9. Disney, are high functioning sociopaths not fully sociopathic? Smarter than average? More disciplined? More fearful? What ingredient or combination of ingredients makes them different?

    Plastikeyes, I speak from personal experience. According to Disney, the sociopaths I’m speaking of were low functioning ones. Sounds like you have limited experience with them?

    Anonymous at 9:13 AM, I agree, much of their success comes from their ability to know how to get normals to swallow their BS. In reality, I’ve found that their actual abilities and skills are far less than what they’re selling.

    Anonymous at 10:05 AM, about sociopaths being easy to control, I’ve had mixed results. Nobody “just does what they’re gonna do” more than sociopaths. If they really want something from you, which you do not want to give, such as sex or subservience, they can become extremely vindictive. And sometimes the smart ones have these kinds of impulse control issues too. How do you handle that?

    Anonymous 3:33

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  10. If they want subservience, walk away. It's not worth it.

    If they want sex, it's pretty much the same in my eyes, unless you find them attractive.

    If their impulse control is too poor for them to be "trained" that the best way to get what they want is to treat you like royalty, then walk away.

    They key in my opinion is to look at everything with them as a transaction. If what you're getting isn't worth what you're giving, walk away and leave the fool wondering what happened. Sociopaths tend to be so fixated on the things they want, they can't always judge well the value of what they're doing to get it, especially if they think they're conning it out of you. That con game is what gives you the ability to command them, since if you just tell them to do something in exchange for what they want they'll try to find a way to resist or get the upper hand. If they think they already have it, there's not as much of a power struggle.

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  11. I think “leaving the fool wondering what happened” is key. Give them a heads up with threats or attempts at rational negotiations and you’re screwed. And then getting all your ducks in a row in case they come after your back is very important.

    A lesson for some:

    One I had to deal with suckered me into a difficult situation before I ever figured out they were a sociopath. They had power over me, and I was to do dirty work for them in order to prove my loyalty and be eligible for any favors. When I reached my comfort limits doing these things, I let them know this, and demonstrated that I had value for them in many other ways, and that I was considering abandoning that situation if things became too uncomfortable for me. Sounds rational, huh?

    But while behaving honorably to my face, they moved against me behind my back. When I discovered this I immediately “walked away” forever.

    But then weird shit started happening, some of it years after the fact. When I backtracked the crap to them and was forced to confront them with it, they denied everything. I assumed that they could respect that I was willing and able to damage them far more than they could me, and offered a compromise deal and stuck to my end of it.

    But the shit continued. I finally wound up fighting a stupid war which severely damaged the both of us. And to this day one of my hobbies is screwing with them while making it look like one of their many enemies did it. In my opinion, there are some sociopaths who simply cannot know when to quit.

    This is the “moral insanity” I’m talking about – the irrational self-destructive vindictiveness.

    Anonymous 3:33

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  12. Anon,
    Harassing him seems a little like irrational self-destructive vindictiveness to me.

    What are you gaining out of this?
    Don't let your emotions rule you.
    You'll only give him the advantage.

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  13. Empath Survival Guide
    by Anonymous

    You guys describe low intelligence sociopaths and try to blanket everyone with that personality trait the same, which is entirely ridiculous. Sociopaths arent the tazmanian devils of the world causing chaos and destroying everyrthing as they go.
    You got this empath duping some retard he calls a sociopath, just because this so called sociopath wants his/her friendship. What a idiot. Nobody in my life is indisposable, so maybe your blanket retarded advice to sending empaths to their doom by trying to out manipulate every sociopath they meet might need adjustment.
    Live out your wanna be revenge stories with thunderball at bipolarworld.com . They might believe them there.

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    1. why are you offended by someone giving an example of ONE dumb sociopath? we should only talk about the smart ones? I think they were just saying that you can trick them if you act like they're doing their job and fooling you (and really anyone who wants to manipulate, but the subject is sociopaths so they will say sociopaths). nothing wrong with that. even if they were suggesting to actually trick every sociopath they meet, why do you care? do you have morals or something?

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  14. Cute, pager.

    You're no different from the rest.

    Don't kid yourself.

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  15. Anon at 4:06 PM,
    It was a her, and she was half my size. And she knew I had a pickup truck full of redneck in-laws at my disposal - some well armed, and friends who would vouch for me and witnesses who believed she was a psychopath, and proof of her sociopathy and connections with others who could hurt her. Yet still she came.

    What I get out of this emotionally, is the confidence that I can handle anyone, even the criminally insane.

    Pager has a point. Most people you can deal with on the fly. Possibly even M.E., who will play with you even ruin you but it’s all in good fun and within certain limits. But with a hardcore sociopath, you have to know who they are while not letting them know who you are, to have a decent chance. And that goes for other sociopaths dealing with them as well as empaths.

    Anonymous 3:33

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  16. I actually agree with you. Stupid sociopaths are the thorns in my side. They try to fuck you even when they know what will happen. Smart sociopaths see the big picture. Thats why they are great in boardrooms, wall st, and crime. Most sociopaths have a high IQ, but the ones that are stupid will plumet you and themself into hell.

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    1. some say that's BS and some say it's true, where did you get the high IQ stat?

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  17. As a sociopath who I like to think is more intelligent than most of the others, I still find that while I don't really have emotion, I have a very powerful for drive for vengeance. If someone has wronged me in any way, or even if it just seems like they did, or they may have, I will hold it against them until I am even, with liberal interest added to whatever they did to me. It can be very inconveniant, but I'm not good about letting things go, even when I try to.

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  18. I have to say I dont actually feel a need to be respectful i usually do it for the regular sociopathic reasons of fitting in or getting something.

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  19. This is probably my favourite post on your blog, ME. Myself, I only respect or disrespect the values and so-called 'rights of others' to the degree that its useful to me.

    Where I'm different from you is that I'm more of an authoritarian than a libertarian by nature IMO. But with that said, I can't really care about the things that many other 'far rightists' think about. Why should I care about marijuana, or private acts of homosexuality (as opposed to the political gay agenda)?

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  20. Very well written.Strange enough I can relate to your thinking, but I don't consider myself as a sociopath. A friend of mine is vegetarian, but wears doc Marten shoes of leather. I love to confront people when they have this dobbel morality.

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    1. "Imposing my diagnoses on others is fine because these views are supported by (fill in the blank pet reasons: science, religion, logic, tradition, three years of undergrad. study etc.)”

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    2. is he against eating animals for moral reasons? if not then he can be a vegetarian, wear those docs, and make complete. if he is against that, that's really strange, more than a double standard because at least when people eat stuff they get nutrition, the real-leather shoes only serve for "authentic fashion"

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  21. Unlike empaths, who are so hard-wired to believe whatever their culture has programmed them to think

    Huh?

    But many empaths will criticize dolphin slaughter while eating animals raised in deplorable conditions. (By the way, stop eating octupus. They are very smart, precocious creatures.)

    Huh?

    And I don't play favorites like empaths who say, "Imposing my beliefs on others is fine because mine are supported by (fill in the blank pet reasons: science, religion, logic, tradition, etc.), but you can't do the same because your beliefs are only supported by (fill in the blank hated reasons: science, religion, logic, tradition, etc.)."

    Huh?

    I think you confused 'empaths' with some other genre of people. This article must have been from the early days when you were still a special snowflake.

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    1. I don't think he thinks being an empath makes you hard wired to be programmed but that if you aren't one you won't care about these morals that don't make sense??? I was wondering about that. I thought "hmm, if you are a sociopath, is it possible to hold victimless (aka stupid) morals?". the lacking empathy only really explains lacking victim-ful morals... I'm not sure.

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  22. It sounds like you just randomly wrote down three topics and tried to find any sort of parallel between them no matter how minuscule. Are we suppose to find revelation through this shambles of a post? Do ever know what you are talking about or do you just have verbal diarrhea and delude yourself into thinking it's post worthy?

    - Eva

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  23. "For if you put me to death, you will not easily find another, who, to use a rather absurd figure, attaches himself to the city as a gadfly to a horse, which, though large and well bred, is sluggish on account of his size and needs to be aroused by stinging. I think the god fastened me upon the city in some such capacity, and I go about arousing,"
    Plato. Apology. 30e

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  24. Socrates you are not.

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  25. I think the empath has similar categories he must traverse. Maybe he does it, differently.
    I am a libertarian, too. When I accepted the Bible as an "authority" for my life, it made my life much,much easier. All men are sheep. We are likened to sheep in the Bible. Man is the only one who has a grand opinion of himself. God doesn't~

    However, I need to learn about each person's boundaries as each person is different. Some people feel invaded if you ask personal questions. Some people feel invaded by things I think are very silly. One girl got the same hard wood flooring as another. The first girl never spoke to the second girl, again.
    Some people go ballistic if you are honest with them. They can take very little self honesty, so they explode on you.

    Each person has their own kind of personal landmines. I suppose the way to be the healthiest is to know oneself. Then, you can set up your own boundaries.

    If you know your own landmines, you can detonate them before someone lands on one and you kill him.




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    1. Monica,

      "All men are sheep."

      I thought back to the analogy of a wolf in sheep's clothing, of course.

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    2. I tried to register on the Forum. Then, I realized that I screwed up and put an e mail I did not want public. My other e mail won't work. It is a sign.


      As far as sheep. They are dirty, have no mind of their own, and will get lost and wander off, at the drop of a hat.
      I think that is why they are likened to men.

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  26. Sometimes I get really tired of all the psychobabble. I am not sociopath, but the ability to respond correctly to social norms AND the ability to respond wrongly is within my power. Do I respect peoples boundaries because I care? Or is it because I am comfortable and secure enough in my own beliefs that i feel no need to rock the boat so to speak. Anybody has the ability to fuck with other people..... I am actually pretty good at it, DIFFERENCE being..... I don't NEED that to feel powerful.......you all make the empath vs. Sociopath into a weak vs. Strong scenario. Who is really weak? If you need empaths to feed your own sense of "winning" or "power" or whatever need it is, then I see it as extreme weakness. We all have a sociopath within us, but we choose to adhere to social norms because to do otherwise is lack of personal substance and control. But rest assure, I could choose differently if I felt compelled to do so. I just don't need to feed on bullshit to make me FEEL powerful.

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    1. Arguing about views or opinions isn't because you're insecure about your own. I do that with people and I'm completely secure in my own. There are certain signs to look for... not everyone does it because they want to validate their beliefs. It's as strong as my drive to correct people about actual facts- a tomato is a fruit,not a vegetable. See? fact xD

      rest of the post is interesting though. some people just don't have a desire to mess with people all thetime, contrary to some people's (those people you call empaths) beliefs

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    2. That's not true for everyone, I probably still have a lot of rules that I don't know I can break, for example I hadn't questioned my beliefs in God until a teacher told me about atheist and agnostics, before that I had never even thought there was another option. I also hadn't tried to control my emotions until I knew it was posible.
      I'm honest, but not because I choose to be a good person, it's because I use to forget that lie exists, that's what makes me weak. You can't choose if you don't know that there are options.

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    3. How do you not know that you can choose not to believe in god? maybe you just never gave it a thought?

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    4. @Wicked-Lovely Just in case, my previous reply was for Anonymous 6:20. Now, regarding to your question, I never gave it a thought.

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    5. Don't dissected it. What I am saying is very simple..... how much of sociopathic behavior is rooted in the diagnosis..... and how much of it is a crutch to make bad choices and to make others lives miserable? Don't get me wrong, I do believe its a real problem, but I also believe that any diagnosis can be a crutch to do whatever you feel like doing in the name of whatever "disorder". Life is choices

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    6. Well, psychopathic ones can't care about other people's lives. They don't really know what you're talking about, but they're used to seeing this empathy thing so much they don't get "wtf, how bizarre" every time... but really... they don't know what you are talking about, can't understand, and don't know what's wrong about doing X, Y, and Z, and that's just the truth.

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  27. Apparently, @ work, I picked up quite a few nicknames. The ones that stick are "Predator" and "Black Widow".

    I think I should finally practice subtly...

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    1. So what about you disagrees with being likened to my husband?

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  28. More news on the hunt for empathy. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120812160800.htm

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  29. this is why i like aspies they have rules that make sens
    i dont break rules unless it's to shock somone (/push a butten)

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    1. 2bad they are so boring

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    2. Ummm.... no? Aspies have bullshit morals too, some do, some don't. They aren't superior in any category at all, the whole "NT-only" trait stuff is absolute BULL in order to make people feel good. They talk that crap while having autistics prove them wrong in the background.

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  30. I think it's kind of interesting to call non-psychopaths empaths, feels like we have a special ability, hehe... I guess we do.

    In my world, empaths are people with a psi ability to literally feel what others feels, whether the person shows they are sad, mad, happy, or not. Such a compliment.

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    1. Such a pity that all of what you mentioned are written as plain as day in most people's eyes, and anyone can read their feelings if they wanted to. Information is power, and you give all of it to us freely.

      Keep on believing that you're unique though, just like everyone else.

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    2. Stasis, why do you have a problem with what I said? I don't think I'm unique, I just said that since I think of empaths as people who can literally feel emotions, when he calls non psychopaths empaths I go "cool", even though technically he's not talking about my definition.

      What's your problem, dude, seriously? And no, not everyone knows about the other definition of empath, but even if they did, why would I care that others see it as plain as day?

      You seem annoyed or upset, even if you're about to claim you're not.

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    4. OOOOHHH... you think I think I'm unique because of the special comment? no, that doesn't make sense, sir. I know that MOST people are non psychopaths, so why would I think I was unique? I think that some psychopaths are baffled or mystified by empathy if they don't have it, though. Why do people even care about other people thinking something is interesting or special (not that I find it special), anyway? Do they just have a problem with people feeling good about themselves? I don't care who is "walking as if they are cool" or "thinks they're pretty when they're not" as long as it doesn't get to their head, because I'm not pathetic like that. I don't have time for catty shit.

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    5. Lovely

      "feels like we have a special ability, hehe... I guess we do."

      "In my world, empaths are people with a psi ability to literally feel what others feels... Such a compliment."

      This screams of wanting to be something very special... a special special.

      "I think of empaths as people who can literally feel emotions,"

      Just because you think or believe something doesn't not make it reality. That's just... magical.

      It's the magical thoughts that provoke response. As well as absurdity.

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    6. I don't actually THINK it's magical myself. You didn't read a word I said. Put yourself in my shoes for a moment. I am a non-psychopath, and most others are. More psychopaths feel special in the world than non psychopaths, because there's less of them. Why in god or goddess's name would I think I'm fucking SPECIAL for being like most people? Even though you don't experience it, you have to remember that most people are non psychopaths and I would NOT feel special.

      Maybe if I was growing up among a bunch of psychopaths who were ??? around me, et cetera... you didn't think about what you're saying at all.

      Really, I can't say that comment (the original one) without you jumping to conclusions about my attitude on it, and instigating for nothing? As well as being a selective reader.

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    7. idk why I expect people to read, or think about things before they assume and pull shit out of their ass. no amount of predictions I could make could prepare me for people getting THAT out of my post. and no one should even have to predict ahead of time in case people who don't read crap reply. I overestimate people.

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    8. Very defensive. I would have to wonder why.

      "Put yourself in my shoes for a moment"

      Your shoes don't fit.

      "Why in god or goddess's name would I think I'm fucking SPECIAL for being like most people? "

      You tell me.

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    9. Okay, you didn't respond to anything except to say that I'm being defensive. What is your problem with me? You were mistaken, get over it. Why would I think I'm special because I have empathy? Do you just automatically have an issue with non psychopaths? It's not my fault that I wasn't born a psychopath, and it's not my fault you were, so whatever your past experiences are, shove em under the door.

      or hell, I'm not thinking. You're probably just a troll.

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    10. And hell yeah I am defensive when I'm accused of shit I didn't do, or saying things I never did, especially when I just corrected someone else who thought the same thing. Problem? It's annoying, and it pisses many off. I'm not an alien to have that reaction.

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    11. "Why would I think I'm special because I have empathy?"

      I don't. I know you are special. I can see this~

      "Do you just automatically have an issue with non psychopaths?"

      I have issues with just about everyone it seems.



      Why are you here?

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    12. "And hell yeah I am defensive when I'm accused of shit I didn't do, or saying things I never did"

      I have only quoted your posts. These are your words. I'm just repeating you and asking a question or two... relax.

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    13. lol, "you're not a psychopath, why're you here". Why are a lot of non psychopaths here? Were you expecting an exclusive club? Did too many nons offend you in your day? People who have their guard up end up being the offensive ones.

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    14. "Just because you think or believe something doesn't not make it reality. That's just... magical."

      LOL!

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    15. dude, what are you playing at here? you weren't just questioning me, you were cranky because you thought I thought I was special or unique, like the other guy. you asked those questions later, and they were just remarks toward me.

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    16. Lovely,

      I haven't said anyone here is anything. Many are here for many different reasons. What is your reason?

      Try not to deflect this time please. Your defensive stance can get annoying.

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    17. Love,

      "you were cranky because you thought I thought I was special or unique, like the other guy. you asked those questions later, and they were just remarks toward me."

      Projection is not reality either...

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    18. the whole "it doesn't make it reality" part is a silly response to someone who believes in something you don't, "just because you believe it's real doesn't mean it's real", well clearly the person believes it's real... so...

      yeah.

      I kind of think of it like Narnia. The grandpa? He thought the kids were being illogical because they didn't believe Lucy. What she said was a bit "out there", but she never lies. I agree too, it's illogical. It's not hard evidence but it makes more sense to believe the girl.

      I treat psi abilities the same, I have none, but it's a bit desperate to say everyone who claims to have them or witness them is 1) lying or 2) crazy. that's just too many crazy people with selective hallucinations. (it's to be assumed that you'd choose #2- crazy rather than #1- lying, for people that talk on forums together because they have no reason to lie to eachother. they don't need to convince each other they're real becuase they're both claiming it)

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    19. Tom Hill, look at your second comment to me, and then explain it again. The one that wasn't about innocent questions? Maybe I'm mistaken (I don't think so, but I want to see how you explain it away) and you weren't just being a smart ass.

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    20. Are you kidding me? you gotta be kidding me! Stop half reading my posts or don't reply! I said I don't do shit! I do not have abilities!

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    21. Also I have a QUOTE that reveals you misread my post, and thought I was saying I was unique in special in my own point of view "This screams of wanting to be something very special... a special special." you said that, 'member? Again... why do you care if people feel good about themselves? I don't care if someone thinks they *are* special, as long as they don't get too haughty about it.


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    22. Bravo Lovely, you've managed to explode all on your own while I was away. By your defensive stance, I would say that you are not here just because of mere curiosity; I wonder if you are just trying to feel validated for something?

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    23. Lovely,

      I never said you "said" you were special. i said the things you are saying sounds like some one desperate to "BE" special. Very different. That, Lovely, was taking what I posted out of context or perhaps not reading my post fully, digesting what I am trying to say, and being honest with yourself.

      Relax.

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    24. Isn't that one of the standard accusations that psychopaths give non psychopaths here? Some standard accusations in general are "you're here to feel cool" "you want to feel validated" "you're a fake psychopath", etc. Don't assume you know me or why I'm here. I don't even know what you're talking about. Validated in what? Are you implying that I'm one of those victims? Far from it.

      Nah, you're wrong, you think you can read people and predict everything but you can't, nope, it's just because of interest.

      Again... you had a problem with my post because you were mistaken. You can avoid addressing that and make it about why I'm here all you want. I'm allowed to be here like the rest of you.

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    25. No, I'm not desperate to feel special, Tom, it was a simple comment. You blew that comment out of proportion if you read "desperate to feel special" out of it. I didn't cheese, or glow inside from the fact some dude on the net calls non psychopaths empaths. I was half joking about the special part anyway, but I guess you can't say things in light here.

      What is this, BGC? Maybe they should make that show gender neutral if you're not a girl.

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    26. Love,

      How about you keep us from "jumping" to conclusions as to why you're here, and just tell us?

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    27. I said why I'm here... wtf... I give up.
      You're not being condescending with that "Love" title either, I like it. Just saying.

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    28. Latest on Twitter

      "The best manipulators can make their 'victims' do their bidding without even noticing it"

      about an hour ago

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    29. Don't listen to tom. He created five accounts on here trying to validate himself after his first one got roasted by everyone.

      The word empath used to describe people with empathy, which is a vast majority of the population of this planet, is retarded to me. Your belief in fucking psychics is also retarded, wicked.

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    30. Maybe the victim still wants to argue and defend themselves even if they're instigators, ever think of that?!?!?!?!ONE?1111

      xD

      if that wasn't @ me, you've replied in the wrong place (assuming it isn't directed at the other two) + my bad.

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    31. You can say it's retarded if you want, but I won't deny what I've experienced myself (witness, not doer), or try to explain it away with loose explanations. I don't get why it's so impossible or hard to believe, anyway tbh.

      I also don't call everyone associated with psionics "psychics" and I don't even like the term psychic or medium for the standard psychic...

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    32. I don't give a toss what you want to call it. If you believe in psychics you are a sucker. I can tell by your responses that you are a mark. You are defensive and easily stirred.

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    33. How am I a sucker? You don't know them or any of my friends really. It's dumb to be automatically dismissive. You can accuse em of lying, but we all know who is telling the truth.

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    34. Who's we?

      The word of someone like you on who's telling the truth is nothing. Its like the word of a virgin on how to fuck.

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    35. umm... isn't that more you? You don't know them, I'm the one with the experiences.

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    36. Oh, in that case your vague supernatural experiences are all the more believable.

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    37. I have seen things happen, too, as I was on vacation, doing things. I have seen terrible things.

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    38. LOL!

      Loving this.

      It was 7 accounts, Kan...

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    39. What's 2 more failures to a life of failing tom. No matter how many lies you tell people or yourself about who you are or what youve accomplished at the end of the day you are still the same thing: A loser trying to pretend to be a winner.

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    40. Ain't that the truth! But you know what Kan-man, what you really don't like about me is the fear. The fear that if you ever ran across someone like me, mano-a-mano/one on one, you couldn't win. No entourage, just me and you. You know there are people like me out there that can and would kill someone like you just because there is not enough room in this universe for two arrogant assholes of our immense size and grandeur at the same fucking time.

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    41. You all are special ^^

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    42. Wrong tom. You already faced me and failed. Just like you failed your father, failed your wife, failed your son, and failed yourself.

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    43. I have never faced you Kan. This forum? I read the posts. We both sound like two spoiled brats unable to establish our dominance. The difference is I see it.

      And right UKan. You are the one who surrounds your self with weak bitches you are able to manipulate. You said that yourself. That way your paranoia doesn't get the best of you. I didn't make that shit up, you relayed that to us. Your strength is being able to control the circle you associate with. You see someone as strong or possibly stronger than you as a threat and you exploit any advantage at your earliest convenience to illiminate that threat. I respect that.

      What I said was, your fear comes from you being smart enough to know if all your bases are not covered, and someone like me gets close enough to you to make it one on one, you are too weak to beat me. I have trained my whole life to survive any situation that could arise. Have you? I think you have surrounded yourself with yes men you can control and "sidekicks" like Kany who buy into your shit.

      I got you, Boy. It's just a question of time until you find someone like me.

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    44. If you saw me in real life you would fight for me grungy because people like you are easy to exploit. I would send you out as a crash dumby while your daddy issues kept you dependant on my approval.

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    45. Half right Kan. As Loki pointed out:

      "I become what they need to get what I want."

      You would get me to fight for you. I'd be your best mother-fucking soldier. I would destroy worlds for you and you would give me praise and rewards like you have never done before. I'd establish just a mere bit of confidence; then I'd slice your throat. You wouldn't see it coming, Boy. That's the point.

      So, watch just a little harder that guy you think is a great follower; be just a bit more paranoid.

      I am already aware of our kind, UKan. You are just beginning to get me.

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    46. Now where did I put my smelling salts.

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    47. Crash dumbies are a one way ticket grungy. You don't destroy worlds as one, you ride yourself into a wreck because you're a sucker like that. Marines. All the same that lot with their dramatic stories of secret missions they never went on and special units they were never in. Man to man courage honour. That shites all bollocks in the big picture mate because you have no power, you are nothing without the marines you said it yourself. Your threats of violence are laughable. You are just a wash up with a bunk leg puffin off on the internet while your wife is fucking your friend on the front porch because she lost all her respect for you.

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    48. Whoa! Just a little out of context. All here who have followed know. That New Fresh Meat Wicked might buy it. You know I admitted to the leg not being injured already and I guess UThink if you get me to say I lied enough I'll go away. That's where your arrogance becomes a mortal flaw. Your projection of yourself fleeing when being exposed on to me is way-way off. There's my strength, my resilience; the abuse my father gave taught it to me Kan-man, humility. A snake is as lethal as a lion.

      Why are you a drug dealer?

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    49. I think the more interesting question is why he isn't not a drug dealer.

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    50. Actually I didn't follow tom. I skimmed the end after A Friend kept blowing every username you made up in the attempts you made to look like anything other than the fool you came on here as. Where we left off you were grungy, so ashamed of how stupid you looked that you left here in disgrace. You told us that you got some cunt pregnant and married her to do the right thing. She sejt you off to the marine corps to pay for her drinking habit and while you were away on duty she was fucking your friend on the porch. You want to be someone else on here tommy because who you are is a nobody in real life. You live in fantasy tommy. You came here telling us you manipulated your wife what a joke. She strung you along like a fool and both her and ypur son will look back on what you call a legacy in loathing for what a weak pathetic man you are.

      You kept repeating you were only on here because of your bunk leg over and overm not a surprise that was a lie because the real reason you came herenwas to act like someone you wanted to be but someone you cant. That's why every account you made people called you pathetic. You can't put lipstick on a pig.

      Tell me, did you ever get visuals of that guys cock on your wifes mouth?

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    51. Do you look down on how I make a living medusa?

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    52. "A Friend."

      First time I remember you giving credit elsewhere when you could have just taken it for yourself.

      Could it be that you do actually do have humility? And that Tom is wrong about you?

      Hmmm. Something to ponder, most certainly.~

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    53. Do you look down on how I make a living medusa?

      You should be asking your wife that question, not me.

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    54. Nice diatribe and your ignorance is not anyone's problem who as labored through my shit.

      Stop spinning and answer the fucking question, Boy! Why are you a drug dealer? Why not something else?

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    55. lol, omg, Tom and UKan are such dorks. That was corny as fuck, and a great read. Cold turds on bread mistakes self for hot shit on toast all over my comment...
      I don't really call it supernatural experience... it's all natural and normal to me. Had someone check me out, described my position, face, what was in my room, etc. They aren't just "good guessers". Those happen with people who allow fakes to ask them questions and pry/phish the info out.

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    56. I don't have to ask myself such questions nor my wife. We love our life and im proud of my schievements. I'm asking you and your avoiding it as usual being the coward you are masking your opinions among passive aggressive comments.

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    57. Was that directed at me? Please do NOT refer to me as fresh meat... you'll just remind me of some other rather unsavory net peoples..

      Oh goodness, you could all be the same people from that other place.

      Well I've learned my lesson and I'm keeping my mouth zipped about my life.

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    58. Corny? You were just trying to convince us that you had a paranormal psychic experience. Get a grip you muppet.

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    59. I don't have to ask myself such questions nor my wife.

      Don't have to, or don't want to? Wants... such pesky things, aren't they. Yes, Tom?

      We love our life and im proud of my schievements.

      Oh, okay. Then I guess the following are just hobbies of yours, 'side-projects', if you will?:

      1. Idolization of Tony Robbins
      2. Failed attempt at school
      3. Failed attempt to quit weed
      4. Failed attempt at a 'legit' job in collections
      5. Spinning 'round and 'round in your office chair in the attempt to give yourself motivation
      6. No children.

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    60. It's not paranormal at all, it's normal. If you're going to bring it up, at least address what I said. Explain it- what's your conclusion, besides "oh, he's just great at guessing, that was a lucky shot"

      I'd also like a reply to why it's so impossible or crazy to believe?

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    61. Ha ha ha. Seriously? That's what you are crowing about? Do you honestly think me having so much time on my hands that I can jump hobby to hobby out of boredom because I'm so fucking rich means I look down on what I do for a living? Sorry medusa, but your affinity for narcissists is what sounds more interesting to me. Your just angry because I didn't care about your in depth story about you laying against a sink popping sleeping pills because some guy rejected you instead of your narcissist friend. Don't project your unhappyness on me.

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    62. Yes, after all, sociopaths claim to be great at 'cold-reading' people.

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    63. You can believe what you want wicked. Most nutters do. Psychics aren't normal. Their scams. Tricks for those people easily decieved.

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    64. Ah, UKan, still so predictable. I already knew you'd try the narcissist-magnet angle. You know why? Because I'm 'psychic'.

      Your just angry because I didn't care about your in depth story

      Oh, I'm quite sure about that.~

      Anyway... so you consider 'having children' a hobby?

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    65. No I consider it an end game. Right now I'm enjoying life and I got traveling to do.

      You should know I would talk about the narcissist magnet that you are. its why you came here. Its why you compare yourself to monica. You want me to go at you from that angle. You've even asked me blatantly to attack you before. Now you are just more subtle about it.

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    66. He isn't being humble, Medusa. "A Friend" is one of Ukan's accounts. What clued me in, apart from the strategically placed snipes directed at you, is the specific way in which he repeatedly misuses apostrophes. "A friend" also only posts when Ukan is around, ever notice that? And the other night, he indirectly defended his wife by bemoaning the "lack of respect" you showed her.

      I am not certain, but I also strongly suspect that Green Eyes is Kany's alterego. That have identical writing styles, although Kany has tried to mix it up by "replying" to some of GE's posts. However, she cannot mask her very specific usage of the expression "Hm", as opposed to "hmm", which most people would employ. She screwed up by posting this under GE's moniker, the other day.

      You are obvious, Ukan. So much for the clown with 7 accounts, eh? :)

      Your lack of humility and grossly inflated pride are weaknesses through which you may be easily manipulated, if you are not careful. Pride comes before a fall.

      Gungy said: "Here's my strength, my resilience; the abuse my father gave taught it to me Kan-man, humility."

      Yep. We really are similar in some ways.

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    67. You have no talent for subtlety, Alterego.

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    68. I'm not trying to be subtle. Screw that. I'm a blunt person.

      Unlike you, I am not afraid of losing face if I am wrong, Medusa.

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    69. Ha ha ha falter. You are completely clueless.

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    70. Yeah, because they are in public being wreckless, or asked for any of my money, oh, they also spend hours scamming EACHOTHER for free. I'd just be desperate to remain skeptical if I said that. What scammer on earth would never charge, never go out into the world with their stuff, and spend hours with other scammers scamming each other, just fucking around for free? Trust me, it'd be boring as hell.

      In the end, I don't really care about skeptics, more for us, and if everyone bought into stuff and tried to look things up it'd be like giving everyone access to loaded weapons, (minus the possible jail time!) so fine with me.

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    71. Riiight.

      As clueless as you when you mistakenly thought I created a whole host of accounts just to taunt your ego-maniacal, narcissistic ass?

      I am more perceptive than you, clearly. :)

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    72. Ew, wife defending? Tell me more.

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    73. You would just as soon slit your wrists than admit your little hijinks to me!

      I briefly considered outing you as a regular you "like" by employing a thinly disguised "anonymous" name so as to ferret out a confession, but you would never admit to it, under any circumstances. You are way too proud, and therefore, predictable as hell. :)



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    74. Let's all gather 'round and drink some hot chocolate or something ^^

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    75. I would destroy worlds for you and you would give me praise and rewards like you have never done before. I'd establish just a mere bit of confidence;

      Sounds like a daddy issue to me.

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    76. No you are just an flailing idiot falter. I'm not A Friend and green eyes is definitely not my wife.

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    77. aw, why didn't I get mistaken for someone (preferably someone cool)

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    78. Oh sorry wicked I forgot you were there.

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    81. Wicked, this concerns a little quip he made in the forum when Medusa failed to directly answer something his wife asked her. He has been actively attempting to undermine her by insulting her under the name "A Friend". He wants to put her down by riling up public opinion against her. It's a rather lame, transparent tactic.

      He slipped up because he can't figure out how to use apostrophes correctly. :)

      And he got a little too big for his britches by appealing to his wife with a carefully constructed persona for whom defending anyone, let alone Kany, would represent very inconsistent behaviour.

      As well, the tone, writing style, and cadence are virtually identical.


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    82. Medusa, I don't even understand what point you're trying to make with the ask him why he's not isn't a drug dealer, and ask his wife, or whatever. Did you miss where I said I always wanted to marry a drug dealer? Or did you pick up a sense of moral indignation I didn't know I was emitting? I don't understand what you're getting. At. Your shooting for the enigmatic underhanded passive aggression, but in order to succeed at that attempt, you have to hit your target.

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    83. I think the gungy situation has you paranoid, ego. Come back later and try again.

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    84. Why so, Medusa? Because I have the chutzpah to say what you are too insecure to voice, or because you think I am wrong?



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    85. Did you miss where I said I always wanted to marry a drug dealer?

      No, but did you miss the part where he said you won't have his children until he 'goes legitimate'?

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    86. Wicked, I already detest you and am ignoring your existence.

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    87. Paranoid? Hm.

      I don't think so, Kany. That would require my thinking that you're out to get *me*, and I don't give enough of a damn to care, either way. :)

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    88. Perhaps you're aware that's my ultimatum, and I'm the one here that's aware of the terms.

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    89. Neither one, Alter; I just think you are a dunce.

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    90. No, I implied that gungy's role play has you spooked. Seeing ghosts, or feeling spiders after you see one, so to speak. Heebie jeebies.

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    91. _srM-Kany, some dude (woman?) I haven't paid attention to either, didn't ask for their comment either, wastes a reply on me, saying they will ignore my existence.... hmm...

      (and don't reply or react to this response or you'll just look more ridic ^^)

      anyway, thanks Medusa

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    92. You are laughable falter. I don't hold back on medusa when I want to go off on her. I got accused of standing up on that thread to a fault by none other than A Friend when I was just stating she came a ways from what she used to be. I tell everyone here my perception of them without holding back. I didn't care if people got mad I wasn't on the bandwagon and I don't care if people get mad about what I think of them. I'm defined as such. Playing detective doesn't suit you. I know the exposing grungy inspired you, but save your imagination.

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    93. Watching you all rag on about this is like watching the Special Olympics: doesn't matter who wins, because ultimately all of you are still fucking retarded

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    94. Of course you do, Medusa, considering that it is your intellect that I undermined the last time we chatted.

      Spooked? What an odd choice of words. Don't flatter yourself, Kany. You couldn't scare a kitten. :P

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    95. TEEHEE UKAN IS A FUCKING TOOL AND AN ARTIFICIAL HUMAN BEING. TEEHEE.

      TEEHEE UKAN IS A FUCKING TOOL AND AN ARTIFICIAL HUMAN BEING. TEEHEE.

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    96. Your just angry because I didn't care about your in depth story

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      I got accused of standing up on that thread to a fault... when I was just stating she came a ways from what she used to be.

      Two dunces in da haus...

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    97. Flatter myself? Was I the one feigning identities?

      Oh I get it. You think I am.
      I LOVE how dumb you are! Its gratifying to my disdain towards you.

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    98. And Farterego, you remain an idiot.

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    99. You are laughable falter. I don't hold back on medusa when I want to go off on her. I got accused of standing up on that thread to a fault by none other than A Friend when I was just stating she came a ways from what she used to be.

      That was a ruse to build credibility, and to offset any suspicion that you might be the same character. That is when I first began to suspect it was you.

      I tell everyone here my perception of them without holding back. I didn't care if people got mad I wasn't on the bandwagon and I don't care if people get mad about what I think of them. I'm defined as such.

      That's not the point. You were attacking Medusa under someone else's name to build momentum against her, and further undermine her credibility, because you have a bone to pick with her, and it amuses you to toy with her.

      Playing detective doesn't suit you. I know the exposing grungy inspired you, but save your imagination.

      You both sound identical. You make the same punctuation mistakes. You misuse apostrophes in the same manner. I don't need to play detective wherein you're concerned, Ukan: I can see right through you.

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    100. dude, I can't get the image of Bad Girls Club out of my head! Now I just need to fix roles. Who wants to be Julie? Who wants to be Natalie?

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    101. Medusa, maybe I've just lost respect for you but lately I've been finding you petty, simple, and shadowy. You've been using the same tactics as always, but somehow now they seem so trite and childish to me. What changed? Is it me or you?

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    1. I don't like "This comment has been removed by the author." thing I see so much.

      What did the comment say (x50)?

      xD

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  32. This has nothing to do with psychopathy as psychopathys traits include disregard for the rights of others not respecting them.

    My wife has told me that sometimes being around me feels oppressive. I've always had sidekicks before her that hung around me daily who've told me the same. I have a habit of breaking down peoples beliefs if they conflict with mine and its something so deep inside me that its instinct.

    At home I've gotten better about being more receptive to others, but out in that street its my way or you're fucked. The fact that everyone who disagreed is not standing tall in this game anymore and I am reinforces those beliefs in my head. However in being right, I am alone on the top of the my own mountain.

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    1. I want to have an injection of that.

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    2. However in being right, I am alone on the top of the my own mountain.

      Lol, the Zarathustra Complex.

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  33. I think it is both a lack of empathy and an excess of empathy that causes contradictory morals. Somebody who is outraged over dolphin killing is failing to emphasize with the Japanese who traditionally eat dolphins. They are also over empathizing with their own culture which is disgusted by the slaughter of animals that are considered "cute." It's just typical, lazy thinking.

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    1. Maybe their beliefs would exist without that culture (certainly possible in people who don't care whether its a dolphin or a squirrel), and omg, those poor Japanese people not being able to eat some dolphin :p.

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  34. This might sound weird (My religion teacher when I went to school was pretty freaked out) but I really really don't get the difference between humans and animals.
    As far as I can see there is none.
    Sure, people talk about love and empathy and conscience and intelligence, but animals have all of those too. Some more, some less, but they do have them in general. Personally I don't get what love is all about, but the rest is pretty clear.
    So could anybody please explain to me just why there should be a difference between humans and animals.
    It's as if somebody randomly set up the rules and decided to draw two lines: on this side there are humans, in the middle there are dolphins and cats and stuff and on the other side there are all the other animals together with the plants.
    That's just random and plain weird.

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    1. cutetime, did you read about "Beasts of the Southern Wild? " Animals vs Humans. Meat is meat.

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    2. yeah i did it was a great book hushpuppy was so fearless.

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    3. Why do you think animals have a conscience, empathy, or love? The closest thing to us is primates, right?

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    4. other primates* my bad. You know what I mean.

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    5. If they do, there are lot of animals who need to get in their jail cell along with the rest of us! No "it's an animal" excuse for 'em!.


      You're mistaken, dear.

      What I don't get is what's the difference between psychopaths and animals (not ALTOGETHER, I mean when it comes to this crime stuff). Nobody arrests animals, even when what they do had nothing to do with having to eat or feeling threatened and attacking, 'cause it's an animal, doesn't know any better, can't really do all that caring about whatever they've attacked, so they don't serve hard time or get held responsible...

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  35. I am doing a lot better SW, as I am able to masturbate, without feeling shame and guilt, while thinking about my mother doing me funny things. xx

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  36. Eden --plagues Monica forever

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  37. This makes me wonder, though. Did you ever think about your mother while masturbating? You admitted being turned very on by it.

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  38. eden is super jealous, because she really does masturbate thinking about her dad doing her funny things

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    1. Haha! Grow a pair, Monica.

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    3. Why would a female want a pair of balls.

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    4. what did she write extremity?

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    5. Exactly what I wrote up there, only in 3rd person gone 1st.

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    6. She said something unrespectful about Eden and Monica.

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    7. You're almost half right. Almost.

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    8. I don't see why you deleted it, then lied about it, though. If you're going to insult them both, why delete it after?

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    9. You know very well I didn't lie about it. I'm not exactly known here as a liar.

      Interesting that you interpret them as insults, though.

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    10. Eden
      I am your sister. You both love me and hate me.

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    11. A female would want a pair of balls so she could peroiodically punch herself there. Hopefully it would kick in some empathy for when she did it to the surrounding men folk.

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    12. That and they are so cuddly soft like a little bit of silk on a thermal blanket to fondle while going to sleep.

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    13. so delicate, so vulnerable, so sensitive...

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    14. white honkey cracka

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    15. your killing me

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    16. Kracka ass Kracka

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  39. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5aaUbRx_s

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