Monday, August 27, 2012

Canadian Psycho: Luka Rocco Magnotta

I'm sorry to be so late on this, but there is apparently another (?!) "Canadian Psycho" on the loose, but not really because apparently the Mounties actually did manage to get him into custody. (Am I doing ok with the Canadianisms?)  He is the murdering star of "1 ice pick 1 lunatic". As reported by Thestar.com.

Aspiring model, self-professed bisexual porn star, hustler, small-time felon, palpable narcissist, dissected in recent weeks by profilers-for-hire as classic psychopath, the Scarborough born Magnotta — born Eric Clinton Newman, formally changing his name in 2006 — was obsessed with cosmetic surgery to alter the features he didn’t like and, reportedly, to look more like James Dean . What remained throughout was the signature sensuous pout, the bedroom mouth of a man described by a former transgendered girlfriend as actually a dud in the sack, disinterested in sex and woefully unskilled as amorous partner. Magnotta also, she claimed, hit himself compulsively.

In videotaped interviews, he touches delicately at his face.

“A lot of people tell me I’m devastatingly good-looking.’’
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“If I don’t have my looks, then I don’t have any life. My looks and my body are my life.’’

Estranged from family, he’d already been accused by animal lover groups of torturing and killing kittens, suffocating them in plastic bags, feeding them to snakes, and posting the evidence online. This would be textbook emerging psychopathic behaviour, characteristics evident early to one relative who told the Peterborough Examiner: “He’s a nut job. I did not trust him. Eric is the type of individual . . . I think he’s mentally ill. He has delusions of grandeur. He concocts stories that he tends to believe and they in turn become fact in his mind.’’

“I am a survivor of mental illness and I’m not ashamed of it. I went through a very traumatic childhood and in my teen years experimented with drugs and alcohol. At first, I thought this was the problem . . . it wasn’t. I am manic depressive and bi-polar. One day I’m normal, the next I can’t get out of my bed and then next week I want to conquer the world. Very confusing to someone who doesn’t understand.’’

Compulsively exhibitionistic, in thrall to himself, but no more than a cipher for most of an utterly superficial life, as insubstantial as a hologram. His only known object of interest was Luka Magnotta — when not calling himself Vladimir Romanov or Angel or K. Trammel, perhaps inspired by the ice-pick murdering Catherine Trammel character from Basic Instinct.

So many identities, shedding bits of himself, forensically, in the short period that he remained a fugitive at large — he’d professed, online, to being expert in disappearing — tracked first to Paris, where he made others uncomfortable in a bistro. French police found porn magazines and air sickness bags from his flight in a room where Magnotta had stayed before lamming it when Interpol publicized his name.

“I do not necessarily feel the need to redeem my reputation since the people that know me best will be more than happy to vouch for my honesty in conduct and I can provide many satisfied and loyal references if necessary.”

Magnotta was arrested June 4 in a Berlin Internet café, where he’d been surfing the web, reading about himself.

Is he really a psychopath? Parts seem to fit, yes, but I actually would bet borderline over both psychopath and bipolar. Thoughts?

106 comments:

  1. FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

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  2. Not sure what he is but one thing is for sure...he is VERY disturbed!!!!

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  3. When this story broke( and before I heard about it) my friend sent me a picture of a guy and asked me what I thought of it. I said that there is something very wrong with the guy and it looks like in the area of sexuality. It was him. She met him on an internet chat and was freaked because she said she was his type as he liked one feature she had, which she said was a big rear end.

    At any rate, I did not know it was him, as I had never heard of him. The picture I saw was not with him with blonde hair and he looked different than he looks in the current pictures.

    I would not say BPD as they harm themselves more than others, it seems. I would say psychopath, as he seems to regard people with no sense that they are human, at all. Would that be a definition of psychopath, do you think?

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    1. Are you sure? what makes you say that? If you don't know him personally, you can't really make that judgment.

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    2. “If I don’t have my looks, then I don’t have any life. My looks and my body are my life.’’

      god he sounds like me. this is what rots at my core. but i'm reclusive (enjoying the freedom from having to maintain a consistent identity thanks to anonymity, not burdened by insecurities over looks), poor and developed an eating disorder to cope. this cat is like an alternate universe me. see? i even made this about me :/

      my guess is borderline, which i think is essentially really unstable narcissism anyway.

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    3. i should mention also that i have trouble regarding people with a sense that they are human because i don't have a sense that i'm human myself. or rather, my frame of reference is broken, so that's how i see them too--not quite complete. i think that's how it works anyway. is vice-versa a possibility? do i seek myself by trying to characterize others and using them as a frame of reference?

      one more thing--could a sociopath's boredom be related to a borderline's emptiness? those two words are synonymous for me.

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  4. “If I don’t have my looks, then I don’t have any life. My looks and my body are my life.’’

    Ever heard a psychopath say that? M.E you've been here long enough to know what a psychopath is and this guy has nothing to do with psychopathy. People called him "faggot" when he was walking outside the streets, he posted videos of himself and commented on them with his own accounts saying how hot he was and blocked it for the other members. He had a lot of shame with his looks, considering the fact that he'd get surgery for EVERYTHING that looked a bit messed up to him. He edited his pictures by using photoshop because he felt shame about his looks. He was a loner. He killed that asian kid before he started shanking him, what's the point of that? His weird girlfriend said that he'd hurt himself and she told everyone how unstable he was.

    To me, everything shows that he's a narcissist. He wanted fame more than anything, and that's why he killed. That's why he sent body parts to people.

    I have to tell you, a lot of girls talked to me about him, and were kind of obsessed with him, so I just had to check and I really don't see why they'd obsess with him. He's not interesting at all, he's a pathetic loser.

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    1. I would also vote him in for a mal narc.

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    2. Women can be so fucking shallow. Guess what ladies, he can have the whole enchilada going on and if he can't make you scream......worthless. His mind should have the same effect on you as his ammo! The sex is only as good as the mind.

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    3. This guy was a turd, an insecure, pathetic little person that relied solely on his good looks for his blankie. No substance, erratic, unbalanced. Borderline vote

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    4. He could be a psychopath and a narcissist. I don't see how it really contradicts the definition of psychopathy, but I'm not sure.. I am no expert. Hmm.

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  5. Treatment of the sociopath!There are no official treatment yet.But,there are some controversial theories that mdma (extacy) in small daily dosages combined with the sociopath surrounding with caring people that gives a lot of physical touching,sex and warm words. Try it,and come back and tell us what happened.

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    1. sex and xtc count me in

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    2. Try it in a month and come back.ok?

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  6. It's like someone made a love child of Justin Timberlake, Eminem, and Jeffrey Dahmer.

    Three dudes. Not surprised he ended up being a gaybie.

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    1. How's your cancer going?

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    2. Cancer is great. How's yours working out?

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  7. Anyone can form an obession with his/her looks, but in his case, he seems to be insecure because of it.

    Cat killings indicate that he loves being in control an lives in area full of cats. Also he might want to let his bad emotions out (insecurity of looks, ect.), so he kills cats.

    "In videotaped interviews, he touches delicately at his face." - this is just wrong :-)

    In his case drugs and alchohol is a sign of depression, because he seems to be worried about stuff more than constantly bored.

    He definetly is narcissistic and mood swings makes him to be bipolar, not psychopath or borderline. But this is the first time I am reading about him, so I might be wrong (but I think I'm right).


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    1. I really wish I knew him personally so I could make a better judgment... I can't know him because he is locked up now. It frustrates me.

      My curiosity about people makes me sound like a creeper sometimes.

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  8. Every time I hear the cliche about how drugs and alcohol made their High School years tough, I want to punch them in the face. He probably smoked weed and drank Kokanee. All he suffered from was probably a beer gut.

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    1. How are you TNP?

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    2. You want to know who actually has problems with drugs and alcohol in High School? Russian kids taking krokodil. Not wannabe pop star psychos in Canada, land of the Great White Tryhards.

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    3. Tryhards?

      That's hilarious coming from Mr OoohIHazSuchTerrribleUrges! At least Magnotta actually went out and did something with his urges instead of wallowing in drama and angst until he got fucking cancer. You're the wannabe try hard, Notable.

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    4. you're wrong, killing is a retarded thing to do. if you have urges to the point of sweating at night, you need to see a psychologist, fast and quick. magnotta is in prison for life now, his entire life is ruined, how is he better than anyone who has urges and don't act on them?

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    5. Tell me what you want what you really really want.

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    6. Anon six11, the point was that TNP was not actually suffering from impulse control while controlling his impulses. He created all kinds of drama and talked about his "suffering" to add affect to his character in reality he was just a terrified little bitch. He claimed sociopathy the whole time, but didn't even act on this "intense desire", contradicting the pathology of said sociopathy.

      Killing is retarded if you get caught. No one said every human has the right to live.

      Piles

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    7. ok sorry then eli

      you're right on the killing part

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    8. Drugs and alcohol aren't less hard on teens than they are adults. I don't get why someone would smoke pot if it was so bad for them, but some people get psychologically addicted and just have bad trips on it. Alcoholism is just as bad for anyone, though.

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  9. Is this a website for people with Antisocial Personality Disorder?

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    1. Lol no, it's for the victims.

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    2. Its for anyone. Bolth victims and sociopaths are on here

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  10. I have been trying to learn about sociopathy for a few months and am convinced that there are a lot of very different types of people being lumped into this thing. Perhaps being a thrill killer is something that requires lack of empathy etc, but there seems to be additional pieces that are required that many sociopaths don't have. What comes to mind is sadism. There are sadistic empaths and sadistic sociopaths. And sadism plus skitzo must be a really fucked up combo. Since there are relatively few serial killers (military is another story) if there is a genetic explanation it must be rare on the level several genes would require as opposed to one.

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    1. Sadism is sth that most sociopaths don't have?

      Sadism:

      1. The deriving of sexual gratification or the tendency to derive sexual gratification from inflicting pain or emotional abuse on others.
      2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from cruelty.
      3. Extreme cruelty.

      Really?

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  11. This guy seems pathetically trapped in a beautiful body. His appearance was everything to him, yet painfully aware of The extreme shortcomings below the surface, so not surprising that he hung on the coat tails of his good looks so desperately. It possibly was the only thing that made him feel powerful and in control. I lean more towards borderline. His erratic behavior seems too unbalanced for psychopath. Even, if feigned control and management, the psychopath seems more authoritarian in their persona....this guy is an insecure little boy. Man card REVOKED.

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  12. The Romans used to feed people to lions for entertainment. In Saudi Arabia they have "chop-chop square" where people are executed and have various body parts hacked off to a huge public and festive crowd. what I find interesting is the disconnect between good and bad murder

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  13. That disconnect has always existed, still does..very good indicator that many past, present and future leaders are very likely sociopaths. Just like anything else in our society, what matters is WHO pulls the trigger. Murder is murder.

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  14. Histrionic... if you ask me, cluster B is all different flavors of psychopathy, they all have the core values but some have a few extra things that others don't. Definitely psychopathic, all psychopaths are a bit different, though, and of course everyone wants to think they are the best and most true and every other one must be relegated to some other inferior disorder. Btw, you know psychopaths are narcissists right? A lot of you don't act like it and very much reveal how much you hate yourselves with all this "fuck narcissists!" talk, ME sounds just like any narcissist I've ever read about or met, and so don't all of you.

    HAHAHHAHA, I just realized what a fool I am, trying to get psychopaths to understand they're narcissists, yeah, like that'll happen.

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    1. I would not say that all cluster B personalities are all psychopathy. Definitely not. Definitely some non psychopathic people in there. You need to research again.

      Also, you're a fool in trying to get people you don't even know to "understand" that they're narcissists.

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  15. I tend to agree with you, but the narcissism of A sociopath seems to have a little different Flavor than a typical narcissist. A narcissist is revolting to me, yet the narcissism Displayed by a sociopath is highly attractive. It works for them???? Why is that?

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  16. pshychopath do not react to praise or critisism
    a nerc verry much do
    psychopath's got flat affect narc doesn't
    1st half of the pcl-r is named agressive narcasism
    for me it's more the game than the reward
    and if it doesn't work i need a new game i don't get revenge

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    1. key word "react", also a flat affect can be learned and some narcs can learn to be very cold, if they train themselves, like through meditation. The flavor of narcissism is definitely different but definitely very similar as well, I think its mostly subdued and "refined" but at the core its the same, and I think a narcissist can be trained to have a more sociopathic nature.

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    2. it's funny if you show how weak the narc is all his victims join in the fun it's great for my charisma and makes me look like a good boy

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  17. So, Essencially, packaged differently, a narcissist could have the same effect as sociopath? Interesting, because most narcissists are appalling in their approach to everything.

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    1. And and might I add, OBVIOUS.....haha....nothing intriguing or mysterious, usually just obnoxious.

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  18. narcs are asshols
    sociopaths are cool asshols that don't give a fuck

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  19. Beach House word i got u.

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    1. why does it always feel like narcs are more distructive

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    2. I think narcs are typically more insecure.......insecurities breed destruction. They Don't "manage" themselves as well ......just my opinion!

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  20. i can FEEL
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  36. FULL BLOWN VEGITOPATHAugust 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

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  37. FULL BLOWN VEGITOPATHAugust 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

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  38. VEGITOPATH IN LOVEAugust 27, 2012 at 11:47 AM

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  39. VEGITOPATH IN LOVEAugust 27, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    UKAN WEELL YUU MARREE MEE TEEHEE? MEE A VEGITOPATH, THIS IZ WHAT MEE LOOK LIEK TEEHEE:


    MEE LOOK LIEK THIEES TEEHEE

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  40. http://narcissists-suck.blogspot.be/

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  41. It's good to see the comment section of this blog has improved during my absence. :P

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  42. The forum is amazing though.

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  43. Im trying to fuck. Its called a condom

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  44. i love. i need to see you. like i really wanna be with you. when you get back we are meeting up.

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    2. Im so close to breaking. Like i really cant take the shit.

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    3. Who are you typing to? ME?
      Oh... haha... a great joke! if you mean ME, I don't care what you can't take! Ha! A taste of your own medicine!

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  45. but you will never be great.

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    1. I am fucking great. But I don't need to be, I need you. More than you could ever know. i just want this to happen

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  46. why is it always the really fucked up ones who are hot?
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    1. Baby. Be with me. I'm growing. I understand your wild I get it I don't fuckin mind and it doesn't matter.

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    2. Or I will give the fuck up... and lil kan kan will never be born

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    3. :( I dont want that

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    4. Time to shut your mouth, monica! you fucking look like a retard

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    5. It is Eden, again *sigh*

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    6. It's very fair.

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    1. VEGITOPATH IN LOVEAugust 28, 2012 at 1:30 PM

      TEEHEEEEE YUU MEEN WHEN MEE WALK AWAY FROM COMPUETER


      EVEREE DAY WHEN I GO SOMEWHEAR TEEHEEE SILLY YUU

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      MEE NEED TO GO PLACES MEE WALK SOMEWHEAR EVERY DAY

      TEEHEEE MEEE NOT BEE ABEL TO MARREE YUU IF MEE CANNOT WALK DOWN DEE ISLE WITH YUU TEEHEE

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  48. This post on Luka Magnotta is a teensy bit late.
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  49. Many psychoanalytic therapists (like Kernberg) don't believe in borderline personality disorder. They believe in levels of personality health and discrete personality types. Borderline is a level of personality health, within which many personality types/disorders cane exist. Narcissistic personality disorder is an example of a personality disorder that often falls at the borderline level of organization. Thus, deciding whether he has BPD and/or NPD is sort of a false dichotomy according to the Psychodynamic Diagnostic Manual. But I agree that psychopath is probably not a likely diagnosis. Much of Luka's behavior seems motivated by a need for attention and admiration. When he stopped being able to accomplish this with his looks and other frivolous exploits, he started making snuff films.

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  50. Many psychoanalytic therapists (like Kernberg) don't believe in borderline personality disorder. They believe in levels of personality health and discrete personality types. Borderline is a level of personality health, within which many personality types/disorders cane exist. Narcissistic personality disorder is an example of a personality disorder that often falls at the borderline level of organization. Thus, deciding whether he has BPD and/or NPD is sort of a false dichotomy according to the Psychodynamic Diagnostic Manual. But I agree that psychopath is probably not a likely diagnosis. Much of Luka's behavior seems motivated by a need for attention and admiration. When he stopped being able to accomplish this with his looks and other frivolous exploits, he started making snuff films.

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  51. So annoying that you are guessing what mental illness he has. Are you certified for that or is this just a fun little game? First off, who cares what mental illness he has?How come nobody commented on the fact that the BPD is the most overly used 'waste basket' diagnosis? 9 out of 10 that go into a doctor's office complaining of symptoms that do not fit neatly into some other category are diagnosed with BPD, within 10 min's of meeting the doctor. I have seen it with the people around me and then they go to another doctor and are given a new diagnosis all together. BPD is also known to be given to people that have difficult personalities because the medical world doesn't know what else to do with them. I think that the actual number of people that may have these characteristics are often drug addicts and that is the explanation for their problems with impulse control, relationship problems and incarceration.

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