Sunday, May 11, 2014

Disgust (part 1)

In celebration of American mother's day, This American Life episode, called Tarred and Feathered (well worth a listen in its entirety), features a very inspiring mother/son relationship. The show discusses a young boy (they call him Adam, currently 18 years old), who realizes around the time of puberty that he was attracted to small children -- a pedophile. He starts watching child on child pornography, which didn't seem too unusual to him because he was close to their ages. As he grew older, however, he realized that he was still attracted to that younger age range. He eventually becomes totally turned off of child pornography when he sees a clip involving an 18 month old baby. From the narrator:

He began reading up on child abuse and was upset at what he learned. He decided he wanted to stop watching child porn, and he needed help if he was going to do that. For that help, Adam turned back to the internet. He posted on a mental health forum, explaining his situation and asking for advice. Two women who were child abuse survivors befriended him. With their help, Adam says he stopped watching porn. But in its place grew a deep depression.

It wasn't like he'd stopped having sexual thoughts about kids. He says he felt like a monster for having viewed the videos, but also just for having the attractions. Some days, he thought about killing himself. He didn't know what else to do. He was 16. He wanted to talk to someone. So he started with a cautious letter to his mum.

Dear Mummy, it begins, I'm writing this letter to you, as I cannot bring myself to say what I need to say to you to your face. It would simply be too painful for me. I am always overshadowed with feelings of depression, guilt, and shame. I'm really sick and tired of covering these feelings up. I want you to let me see a psychologist. I understand you probably have a lot to ask me. But I need some time to get my head wrapped around things. Love, Adam.

He didn't explain the source of the problem, and his mother never asked. Instead, she made him an appointment at a local therapist for a week or so later.

The therapist at first didn't believe him, then made excuses, then she showed disgust. She told him that she couldn't treat him. She told him that she had no one to refer him to. She told his mother against his wishes. He tells how his mother took it:

You know, my mother, I'm sure, reacted the best I really could have hoped for. She kind of put her arm on my shoulder and squeezed a little bit. She seemed to be supportive. I'm sure she was in shock, probably kind of horrified, but at least she was able to hide that. And the fact that she was able to do that, it meant so much to me.

The mother continued to be supportive, and apart from the few subsequent therapists that have seen Adam. She hasn't even told her husband.

The parallels to sociopathy are fascinating. There is basically no scientific understanding of what to do with a pedophile ("It is a gigantic black hole in science."). There is no treatment for a pedophile that has not offended. Because therapists don't know how to handle them, they often get caught up in mandatory reporting laws, which caused the number of self-referrals to drop precipitously "because folks are too afraid to reach out for help. The consequences are too high." And none of the panic/paranoia related to pedophiles is actually scientifically supported:

"Another thing that has not been researched in-depth is if having an attraction to kids makes it more dangerous to be around them. On its face, it seems obvious. But there is no evidence to support it."

About the lack of research:

For years, Letourneau has been trying to change all this, to get money for research, and for prevention programs. But there's not much money for that. Funders don't want to be associated with pedophilia research. The stigma is too great. Even someone like Letourneau, who wants to do this research in order to prevent children from being abused, has been called a pedophile sympathizer, simply for advocating these programs.

Elizabeth Letourneau
If we can prevent this, we can prevent a lot of harm and a lot of cost. And we just don't. It's nuanced. It's difficult to wrap your head around. It's a lot easier to say these guys are monsters. Let's put them in prison. Let's put them on a registry. Let's put them in civil commitment facilities. And forget about them.

Even the numbers are similar to sociopathy: "1% to 3% of men would meet the diagnostic criteria for pedophilia".

After searching online for any help with his condition and finding nothing, Adam started his own support group:

Everyone I've spoken to has a story about how the group saved them. A 22-year-old college student told me this one.

Anonymous College Student
There was a time when I was really running out of hope for the future. I was unemployed, and I felt like no one was going to give me a shot. And I felt like I had literally no shot in life. And I kind of wanted to kill myself. I didn't do it. The first thing I thought of was especially Adam, in specific, but the rest of them as well, that I couldn't let them down like that.

From the narrator: "In a different world, this person would be talking to a professional, not a 19-year-old with no training at all. Or maybe this person would just be in prison" beca
use there are no current ways of dealing with people in this situation. But the very fact that they exist suggests that pedophilia isn't necessarily un-manageable. It has prompted at least one researcher to talk to the members of the support group in order to devise possible early prevention and other treatment programs.

Can you imagine finding out at some point in your life that you are different, and for the type of different you are there is no help or sympathy but only disgust?

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  2. Socios don´t have the low social standing pedophiles have, if the former are successful/handsome/law abiding they are seen as super-men in most areas except in christian circles where moral issues/holier than thou-attitudes has given them the Cain-part in the drama. Even in prison the socio is "high ranking". Socios and middle-class women seem to suffer from the same outdated opinions: that they´re being victims, persecuted, beggars of society etc, when in reality they are part of the powerful establisment. Socios "values" nowadays in western societies get closer and closer to "mainstream" opinions, "their" neo-liberalism has changed lots of things..

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  3. Many "closet" child abusers are highly respected persons
    you'd never expect. The abuse is an extraculicur "sport," they
    engage in.
    Everyone needs the simpliscity of play.

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  4. > Can you imagine finding out at some point in your life that you are different, and for
    > the type of different you are there is no help or sympathy but only disgust?

    Like, your around 30 and you realize that you aren't depressed or have ADHD or anything else you previously thought and are a sociopath? And when you try to find info about it all you get is stuff about criminals?

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  5. What I find interesting about child molestation (of both boys and girls) is that the typical offender is a heterosexual male. In order for molestation to take place there is a decision made on the part of the abuser to act on an urge that is not in the child's best interest and then use psychological or physical threats to keep the act secret. Sometimes I wonder if it is the mindset that is capable of abusing is what precipitates the real damage. The sexuality may be secondary, but it gets all wrapped up in a manipulative relationship with a power imbalance that isolates a child and causes them to feel shame.

    As a mother, I'm not saying that I think acting on pedophilic urges is ok. But I also recognize that having them isn't the problem. For example, I can think of times when I have felt very attracted to married men. I don't ever want to participate in infidelity so I make a habit of not putting myself in a situation where I would act on those attractions. Just because you feel something doesn't mean that you have to act on it.

    The problem is the offender's willful choice to act, not the desire itself.

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    1. Retired FBI Profiler, John Douglas, has a chapter on pedophiles in his book: Journey into Darkness. I remember him writing that for a pedophile, sex with a child was as normal as sex with a woman was for a heterosexual adult male. What would the therapy be for changing an adult heterosexual male into a pedophile or a homosexual, supposing there were no latent tendencies?

      The young man in question most likely did not find "healing". He probably found a pedophile mentor and a pedophile support group. He will learn to go underground. Society can hope for two outcomes: he will NOT cover up his activities by killing his sex partners, and he will be caught.

      There are no happy endings. Even the most faithful of priests struggles with the "willful choice to act" when it comes to suppressing desire. If people choose their Karma path, this boy's mother has chosen a doozie!

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    2. That is overreaching, because a part of you does not want it. By that same axiom, all support groups (ie. alcoholism, etc.) support/reinforce it. That is not correct. What a support group provides is a safe place to discuss and relate experiences in a group environment. To better understand it by sharing it with others, and hearing their experiences. It provides a place to reflect and learn without persecution or offense, while gaining empathy and understanding from others on the same level. That is the point.

      A point which is more important considering the lack of support/therapy from professionals.

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    3. Huh, Machiavellianempath, though I haven't read most your comments I always thought you were a man rather a women.

      Anyhow, Anon7:10, I thing hoping for them to rape little kids is a stretch don't you think. Every pedophile does not get caught and some that are never see the inside of a cell...
      You never know a pedophile could be judges, senators or even a future president. They could be anyone you never know, like Machiavellianempath said, it all depends on if they choose to act on the impulses.

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  7. "Can you imagine finding out at some point in your life that you are different, and for the type of different you are there is no help or sympathy but only disgust?"

    This is going to sound very callous of me, but help and sympathy are for the weak. When confronted with similar problems, I handle them. Once you say to yourself that you have a problem you're not strong enough to handle on your own, you surrender to it and give it power. Your problem then isn't that you have some unnatural inclination to do something bad, but rather you're too much of a spineless whiny bitch who doesn't have the ounce of willpower necessary to take control of your own thoughts and desires and manage them.

    Are these pedophiles getting laid? Not having an outlet for sexual desire can lead to a near frantic search for some hole to stick your dick in. I was a young man once, and that aspect of maturing was awful. The mere fact that it's young men displaying this "different" personality type is telling. When it feels impossible that you might have a healthy sexual relationship with one of your peers who is capable of giving consent, you might start looking towards animals, children, and inanimate objects which are incapable of giving consent, and largely incapable of resisting.

    So, the horny young man has sexual thoughts about children, and since he has been told that this is highly unnatural and makes him a sick pervert, he accepts that label and obsesses over it. Rather than pursue a healthy relationship, he devolves into a cycle of self-pity, shame, and depression.

    Mind you, this isn't a moral judgment against pedophiles, but rather weak personalities in general. Anyone who says they "can't help themselves" when they do something "bad" is a weakling.

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    1. Yeah sure masturbation is a sin that promote psychopathy...

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  8. ME, you do not shy away from any topic of conversation, do you? Pedophiles, really? Do you want to put sociopaths and pedophiles in the same category? Yuck.

    That was my first reaction. Then I started thinking...

    Normal people cannot empathize with pedophiles. More to the point, they cannot ALLOW themselves to empathize with them. The disgust is there as a defense mechanism to prevent them from empathizing.

    To be able to empathize with anybody, sociopaths, pedophiles, murderers, homosexuals, you have to make allowance in yourself that at least a very tiny part of you has or could have motivations similar to theirs. You have to be able to put yourselves in their shoes. Facing your own depravity or what you consider to be a weakness is never nice, and you do not want to even go there, lest you discover that you do have more than a tiny dose of those impulses. We often say that homophobic people are more likely to be homosexual than people that have a more open minded approach to homosexuality. Likely, the homophobic person has not allowed him/herself to explore that part of their psyche for fear of discovering impulses they abhor in others.

    I purposely made a parallel with homosexuals, though it will anger people to see them in the same list as pedophiles and murderers. They will be angry for good reasons. There is obviously a big difference between homosexuality and pedophilia: the former does not prey on victims that are not equipped to protect themselves. This is why society has been able to accept and embrace homosexuality in the last few decades: homosexuals do not hurt anybody, just some people's sense of right and wrong.

    I only included homosexuality because of the way it used to be viewed (and is still viewed in some societies and by some people in the western society). Most normal people had the same disgust and complete lack of understanding towards homosexuality that we have toward pedophilia. I am not saying we should condone pedophilia. But if a person acknowledges his/her own pedophilia and never acts on it, does not this makes them a 'good' person and not somebody whom society should reject?

    To circle back to sociopathy, I believe the feelings towards sociopaths are a mixture of anger or rage, fear, some envy or jealousy and lack of understanding. I am not sure the disgust towards them is as pronounced or prevalent as the post would lead us to believe. The disgust only comes when they prey on the innocent, the weak and the trusting, people that are not equipped to defend themselves, and of course when they perpetrate antisocial acts such as murder, stealing, rape.

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    1. I think that's exactly what makes a good person (or at least a "morally admirable" one, which is the closest thing to goodness I can bring myself to admit existing); someone who has every opportunity and great temptation to do wrong but resists the urge to do so must surely be more admirable than the person who coasts through life just being effortlessly moral at all times.

      I do think people are disgusted by just what sociopaths are as well though. It's not just that they hurt people or they lie etc, but that the same empathy gulf exists between those with a conscience and those without. A remorseless murderer is always more vilified than one who's emotionally broken by his or her actions. If the latter is pitied and forgiven, then the former is truly reviled and feared.

      But then - unlike you - I am young and foolish.

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    2. Actually it has more to do with personal and current societal value judgment. Pedophilia was considered "normal" for "normal people" only a few centuries ago, and existed for millenia. In nature, adolescence is considered a "valid" time since sexual organs have developed sufficiently for procreation (yet before adulthood).

      As such, the "wrong" is not because it is unnatural, but because today's societal values say so.

      And before people intellectually cop out because it is easier than talking about the actual subject, I am neither for nor against pedophilia. It exists as a phenomenom.

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    3. Bob, you are absolutely right. What we call pedophilia in the 21st century western world is not such in other centuries nor is it in other parts of the world. I have 2 friends that now live in North America, one of them originally from Ethiopia, the other from Iran, whose mothers were 12 and 13 when they gave birth. Apparently perfectly normal in those countries. But pedophilia towards kids that are not ready to procreate and have no sexual impulses is another story altogether. Was that type of pedophilia ever main stream? I very much doubt it.

      The definition of pedophilia in our western world includes an arbitrary age limit that is different from country to country, and even sometimes between parts of the same country. In some countries, the age limit is different if the person towards whom the impulse is directed is male or female. And sometimes it depends on the difference in age between the 2 people. It must be very confusing for people that have those impulses. Even if they disregard the societal norm, when should they become a monster in their own eyes?

      OldAndWise

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    4. It's unnatural to feel attracted to an undeveloped woman. If that doesn't make logical sense to you, then this issue is beyond logic.

      This is why minorities should be shipped back to their homelands, where they can continue their barbaric practices on their own terms.

      They'll probably end up dying of starvation, like what's happening in Africa at the moment.

      I don't know why we still put up with these animals in our society today.

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    5. Jamie @830am. Sorry to burst your bubble... you may be young but you don't sound that foolish. Your words about a 'morally admirable' person sound wise to me.

      And as far as sociopaths are concerned, it is only after they have done something wrong and show no regrets that the disgust sets in. And it makes sense for society to vilify a remorseless murderer, as they have a much higher chance to re-offend than a murderer that is disgusted by his own previous actions.

      But I believe a sociopath that never offends should be given the same chance in society as any other 'normal' person.

      OldAndWise

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    6. Anon @1236pm.
      I am not sure I should acknowledge your comments since they are mostly close minded and frankly racist and xenophobic.

      However I will say that, absolutely, it is unnatural to be attracted to an undeveloped woman, or man for that matter. The question is when is it that a person can be considered developed? I am originally from Western Europe and have been living in North America for more than half my life. There are different rules in different countries, including the countries we see as civilized.

      Also, I would not knock down all African countries as you do. I bet some will be as civilized and as wealthy as north America in your life time. The advance of cell phone technology and computers is making it much easier for them to get educated and learn about the world. They are likely to become a force to be reckoned with.

      OldAndWise

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    7. @ 1:46
      Do you always need laws to tell you how to live your life?

      Do you need someone to give you an 'official' age, because you can't decide for yourself? Do you lack judgment?

      And there hasn't been any real technological progress among the peasants in a long time. And for good reason.

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    8. regarding children being used in undeveloped countries at early ages no one is asking the point of view of the child. Just because it is done does not mean the child consents to such and many of those girls when given the chance refuse and prefer to get an education and have a future. In some MENA countries female children die from hemorraghing after being penetrated when too young. Raping children isn't okay just because primitive cultures do it. And the fact that these children are being raped and made parents against their will is a pretty good indicator of why these cultures remain primitive, barbaric and violent after centuries. Many of these primitive, barbaric cultures overran more sophisticated cultures simply because their rotten parenting (what do you expect from a child of 12 or 13) endemic child battery and child rape and child abuse made individuals in these cultures more prone to violent rage easily funneled into nationalism or religionism just like is common with islamism currently.

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  9. Ha! See what you did there.

    Maybe the sociopaths should set up a little outsiders' club with the paedophiles. You'd get along swimmingly! Just don't forget to invite the jihadists and the neo-Nazis.

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  10. I'm sure that these pedophiles all have very sad, touching stories behind their behaviors and motivations.

    That's why the most merciful thing to do, is to permanently put them out of their misery, for the good of the children, and themselves.

    The fact that this cancer isn't immediately removed from society when it is found, just shows to what extent this disease has advanced.

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  11. Oh, another thing, that occurred to me a couple of weeks ago when I first came across that quite excellent T.A.L episode, was that there is a big difference between the type of paedophile featured in the episode and a sociopath. The boy who is interviewed is disgusted by his own sexuality and feels a deep shame, not only at his parents' and therapists' reactions, but within his own self. It is this which drove him to seek help and to kick the porn habit and now set up his own support group for others like him. I'm not saying a sociopath couldn't or wouldn't do these things, but it wouldn't be because they were ashamed by who they were. To paraphrase someone's comment of a while back, if a sociopath was ashamed by what they were, they would not qualify for the label of 'sociopath'.

    I don't really know where this is going, since it doesn't refute or especially challenge the argument that M.E is making (though I do see that "Can you imagine..." sentence as being wonderfully pathetic and manipulative). I think perhaps I just like pretending to be clever, even though I've highlighted something rather obvious.

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    1. yeah I don't buy the whole theory that pedophilia is a 'normal' sexuality. I think it is more likely it is a repetition compulsion attraction to a child of the same age as the bearer of feelings when such person was most likely sexually abused themselves. In some cases the abuse might exist in the subconscious and not even be accessible to the conscious mind. I haven't been in a sexual relationship with anyone in almost 15 years. I have PTSD, and am a complete loner so the emotionalism and all that garbage that go along with it really bore me, plus I am something of a germophobe when it comes to exchanging body fluids with anyone. Because I am only attracted to adults I don't have the risk of jail time were I to act on my sexual desires. And yet I don't, quite easily. And yet people want to continue espousing the bullshit that pedophilia is just another flavor of sexual desire, even though to act on it means destroying the life of a child and jail time and that is only some of the consequences, and the perp STILL can't refrain. Horseshit, that is a COMPULSION, not an attraction.

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    2. No matter how much you abhor the idea of exchanging bodily fluids, it's nothing close to the moral disgust many paedophiles will feel toward themselves. If it's true that the majority of the sexually normal (i.e. adults who are attracted to adults) aren't rapists or molesters, then there's no reason to believe that there aren't a great many paedophiles out there who would never act on their impulses, because to do so would be to rape or molest.

      Clearly it's not a normal sexuality; it's both biologically and socially dysfunctional, but far more research needs to be done into the psychological and biological mechanics of the condition, to prevent as many children as possible from being targetted.

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  12. First of all I would just like to say I feel like no one should ever have to feel guilty about who or what they are attracted to. Its really just how nature made us...

    I can assure you there are many successful people who are attracted to children who keep it secret and harm no one in their life (because they don't feel guilty about it)... you can fantasize.. does fantasizing HARM anyone???

    Some people can develop unhealthy obsessions where they feel strong urges to molest children and the need to act on these urges, and that's different. That's not healthy.

    I don't think being attracted to kids makes it more dangerous to be around them.
    I think a known history of pedophilia makes it dangerous for YOU to be around children.
    And I think a history of child abuse makes you more dangerous to children everywhere.

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    1. Not sure nature created pedophilic desires. Doesn't really bank with science. Pedophilia creates repetition compulsion in victims who do not have conscious awareness and expression of their own abuse history.

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  13. Pedophilia is not really the problem, guilt and shame seem to do more damage.

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    1. Well if the fact that someone is ashamed of their attraction to kids stops that person from acting on their impulses, then that shame / guilt is doing good rather than "damage"!

      But similarly, if somebody doesn't act purely because of a selfish desire to avoid detection, then this is good too, regardless of whether or not the person cared if they hurt anyone.

      I guess I'm saying guilt is not necessary to stop paedophiles from acting on their desires, but it may well be sufficient to prevent them from doing so.

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    2. I agree. Those who experience these desires but do not act in a way that manipulates a child are different than those who are only out for theor own pleasure and are best characterized as predators.

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    3. Spending some times with kids of all age I sometime see them reenacting behaviors I guess they have seen in their loving parents. Children desire toward adult is a taboo, I mean if at 10 I could have nailed my teachers that would have been great, wonder if little girls feel the same way too toward males.

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  14. I mean child RAPE is so so not the same thing as pedophilia. Because child abuse or rape infringes on someone's free will. Pedophilia does not necesssary infringe on anyone's free will.

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  15. My Ex-Husband dumped me two weeks after because i accused him of seeing someone else and insulting him. I wanted him back in my life but he refused to have any contact with me, i was so confused and i didn't know what to do, so i had to go to the internet for help and i saw a testimony of how a spell caster helped people to get their ex back so i contacted the spell caster and explained my problem to him and he did a love spell for me and assured me that after 3days, my ex will return to me and to my greatest surprise the third day my ex came knocking at my door begging for forgiveness. I am so happy that my love is back again and not only that, we are about to get married. Once again thank you Esango Priest, You are truly a great man. He can be of great help and I will not stop testifying about him on the internet because he is a wonderful man, you can reach him via email:esangopriest@gmail.com

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  18. How To Stop A Divorce And Save Your Marriage?(Dr.Brave).


    Hello to every one out here, am here to share the unexpected miracle that happened to me three days ago, My name is Jeffrey Dowling,i live in TEXAS,USA.and I`m happily married to a lovely and caring wife,with two kids A very big problem occurred in my family seven months ago,between me and my wife so terrible that she took the case to court for a divorce she said that she never wanted to stay with me again,and that she did not love me anymore So she packed out of my house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get her back,after much begging,but all to no avail and she confirmed it that she has made her decision,and she never wanted to see me again. So on one evening,as i was coming back from work,i met an old friend of mine who asked of my wife So i explained every thing to her,so she told me that the only way i can get my wife back,is to visit a spell caster,because it has really worked for her too So i never believed in spell,but i had no other choice,than to follow her advice. Then she gave me the email address of the spell caster whom she visited.(bravespellcaster@gmail.com}, So the next morning,i sent a mail to the address she gave to me,and the spell caster assured me that i will get my wife back the next day what an amazing statement!! I never believed,so he spoke with me,and told me everything that i need to do. Then the next morning, So surprisingly, my wife who did not call me for the past seven {7}months,gave me a call to inform me that she was coming back So Amazing!! So that was how she came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and she apologized for her mistake,and for the pain she caused me and my children. Then from that day,our relationship was now stronger than how it were before,by the help of a spell caster . So, i will advice you out there to kindly email this wonderful man {bravespellcaster@gmail.com},i f you are in any condition like this,or you have any problem related to "bringing your ex back. So thanks to Dr Brave for bringing back my wife,and brought great joy to my family once again.{bravespellcaster@gmail.com}, Thanks..

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  19. Hello Friends, My name is Muller From South Africa, I want to use this medium to share with you about the Greatest Spell Caster i encounter, This i Promised him that i was going to do, By Telling the World about him through every possible medium. This Spell caster Broke the barrenness of 22 solid years, and also made my husband to come back to me. My husband left me before as a result of the fact that i could not give him a child, But when i met this Spell Caster. To my greatest surprise, Just as his words drops, That is how it works, I believed every drop of word from his mouth, and now i am a mother of 2 bouncing babies. You can also reach him via email, greatestlordwakaman@gmail.com
    He does not waste time whatsoever he does. He always tell people, once you contact him, He always say you have reach the final bus stop that will bring Solution to your problem. And just as he said, I Muller is a Living Testimony to that today... Do not wait for too long.

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  20. Toni is my name, I am 50 years of age , from Henderson, NV, I have not done this before, but i think is will be of great benefit for me to come online and make my friends out there know about my encounter with a spell caster whom i met on net. I have had bad experiences over the years and this has made me bitter and skeptical about finding solution to my problem. Until my Aunt introduced me to a man who help her in the past and she was successful. I also did contact this man and to my greatest surprise i was so shocked for the wonderful works experience from him, He is so true to his word and what he says is what he does. I really appreciate you His Majesty Okosisi for your help. Thank you so much and i sincerely can't thank you enough. you have indeed done what other spell casters i have contacted cannot do for me either they cause me pain and agony. Friends please make no mistake anymore here is a man who has been tried, tested and trusted and he never failed for once. contact His Majesty Okosisi on templeofpermanentsolution@gmail.com today and put an end to your pain. don't get deceived and scammed His Majesty Okosisi is true and genuine. I will forever be grateful to him till eternity. His Majesty Okosisi you are simply the best. Contact him templeofpermanentsolution@gmail.com NOW!!!

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  21. I am Prophet Zack, i welcome you all to my world and wiseindividualspells of solution i want to assure you that what so ever you contacted me for will come to pass for you with the powers of our ancestors. i want to let you know that i am here to help you in any problem you might be facing right now in your life, i have been in the field of helping people for over 42years now, i want to let you know that i have helped solving over 1000 peoples problems in different countries and they have never stopped calling me to thank me for the good work i have done for them my good work has spread to so many countries why is because they have seen my good work and they helped me spread it all over to the whole world. I want to let you know that the moment you contact me just consider all your problems solved because i know that once i commence on your spell work you are going to testify to the whole world here is my email address contact me with it ( wiseindividualspells@gmail.com)

    . Are you passing through any of these problems,

    DO YOU NEED YOUR EX BACK VERY FAST

    DO YOU NEED HIV CURE

    DO YOU WANT TO GET PREGNANT

    DON YOU WANT YOUR LOVER TO LOVE YOU AS NEVER LIKE BEFORE

    ARE YOU SUFFERING FROM A LONG TIME SICKNESS

    ARE YOU FACING FINANCIAL PROBLEMS

    ARE YOU SEEKING FOR A GOOD JOB

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    DO YOU HAVE A COMPANY OF ANY KIND AND YOU WANT IT TO EXPAND

    DO YOU WANT YOUR HUSBAND OR WIFE TO KEEP TO YOUR WORLD

    ARE YOU FACING ANY MARITAL PROBLEMS

    ARE YOU FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO GET PREGNANT FOR YOUR HUSBAND

    ARE YOU EXPERIENCING MISCARRIAGES ANY TIME YOU TAKE IN

    DO YOU WANT TO COMPETE IN ANY LOTTERY GAME

    ARE YOU FACING HARDSHIP

    HAVE YOU BEEN THREATENED BY SOMEONE

    DO YOU WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN ANY THING YOU LAY YOUR HANDS ON

    IS YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER BEHAVING STRANGELY

    ARE YOU FACING WITCH CRAFT MANIPULATIONS

    DO YOU WANT TO CAST A STRONG LOVE SPELL ON YOUR GIRL OR BOY FRIEND

    DO YOU HAVE ANY RELATION THAT IS ABNORMAL

    DO YOU NEED MAGIC POWERS TO DO ANY THING YOU WANT

    ARE YOU FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO CHOOSE A LIFE PARTNER

    DO YOU WANT YOUR PARENTS TO BE PROUD OF YOU

    DO YOU NEED A PROTECTION SPELL

    ARE YOU EXPERIENCING FAILURE AND DISAPPOINTMENT IN ANY THING YOU DO.(ETC)

    If you are facing any of these problems all you just need do is to contact via email ( wiseindividualspells@gmail.com)and it will be handle with full force and with my oracle and ancestors beside me i want to make you testify just the same way other people did that i have helped. Do not die in pain and silence email me so that your problems will be solved by me with full speed.I want welcome you again to my spell temple.If you have any problem that you want my help for just email me and immediately it will be solved. Here is my email address( wiseindividualspells@gmail.com)

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  22. I am Prophet Zack, i welcome you all to my world and wiseindividualspells of solution i want to assure you that what so ever you contacted me for will come to pass for you with the powers of our ancestors. i want to let you know that i am here to help you in any problem you might be facing right now in your life, i have been in the field of helping people for over 42years now, i want to let you know that i have helped solving over 1000 peoples problems in different countries and they have never stopped calling me to thank me for the good work i have done for them my good work has spread to so many countries why is because they have seen my good work and they helped me spread it all over to the whole world. I want to let you know that the moment you contact me just consider all your problems solved because i know that once i commence on your spell work you are going to testify to the whole world here is my email address contact me with it ( wiseindividualspells@gmail.com)

    . Are you passing through any of these problems,

    DO YOU NEED YOUR EX BACK VERY FAST

    DO YOU NEED HIV CURE

    DO YOU WANT TO GET PREGNANT

    DON YOU WANT YOUR LOVER TO LOVE YOU AS NEVER LIKE BEFORE

    ARE YOU SUFFERING FROM A LONG TIME SICKNESS

    ARE YOU FACING FINANCIAL PROBLEMS

    ARE YOU SEEKING FOR A GOOD JOB

    DO YOU WANT TO BECOME A HOUSE OWNER

    ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A FIRST CLASS GRADE

    DO YOU WANT TO COME OUT FIRST IN YOUR EXAMS

    ARE YOU A STAR AND YOU WANT TO BE SO POPULAR TO THE WHOLE WORLD

    DO YOU WANT TO BE RICH

    DO YOU WANT YOUR BUSINESS TO KEEP MOVING

    DO YOU HAVE A COMPANY OF ANY KIND AND YOU WANT IT TO EXPAND

    DO YOU WANT YOUR HUSBAND OR WIFE TO KEEP TO YOUR WORLD

    ARE YOU FACING ANY MARITAL PROBLEMS

    ARE YOU FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO GET PREGNANT FOR YOUR HUSBAND

    ARE YOU EXPERIENCING MISCARRIAGES ANY TIME YOU TAKE IN

    DO YOU WANT TO COMPETE IN ANY LOTTERY GAME

    ARE YOU FACING HARDSHIP

    HAVE YOU BEEN THREATENED BY SOMEONE

    DO YOU WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN ANY THING YOU LAY YOUR HANDS ON

    IS YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER BEHAVING STRANGELY

    ARE YOU FACING WITCH CRAFT MANIPULATIONS

    DO YOU WANT TO CAST A STRONG LOVE SPELL ON YOUR GIRL OR BOY FRIEND

    DO YOU HAVE ANY RELATION THAT IS ABNORMAL

    DO YOU NEED MAGIC POWERS TO DO ANY THING YOU WANT

    ARE YOU FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO CHOOSE A LIFE PARTNER

    DO YOU WANT YOUR PARENTS TO BE PROUD OF YOU

    DO YOU NEED A PROTECTION SPELL

    ARE YOU EXPERIENCING FAILURE AND DISAPPOINTMENT IN ANY THING YOU DO.(ETC)

    If you are facing any of these problems all you just need do is to contact via email ( wiseindividualspells@gmail.com)and it will be handle with full force and with my oracle and ancestors beside me i want to make you testify just the same way other people did that i have helped. Do not die in pain and silence email me so that your problems will be solved by me with full speed.I want welcome you again to my spell temple.If you have any problem that you want my help for just email me and immediately it will be solved. Here is my email address( wiseindividualspells@gmail.com)

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  23. Hello friends! My Name is Wendy from Canada i have had a lot about DR VOVOLA on his good work, for bringing back lost relationship but i never believe because so many spell caster scam me because of my husband who left me and three kids over a year and two months. so a good friend of mine introduce me to Dr Lakuta just because my condition was so bad and the responsibility in my matrimonial home was more than me. my husband left me to another woman just because i don't have male child for him. so i email DR VOVOLA and told him everything, he told me not to worry that my husband will come back and i will have a male child for him. he only told me to believe on him that after casting the spell my husband will come back immediately and beg for forgiveness. he real did it for me and my husband come back to me in the nest two days. i was very happy and thanks dr freedom. so, i was in this situation (April 18 2014) i told Dr lakuta that i will start shearing his testimony to every one in the word if he make me to have a male child to my husband. and he also did it as am shearing this testimony to every one out dear, that am with my new bouncy baby boy. now i believe that i am the happiest woman on earth because Dr lakuta restore my life in my matrimonial home you can thank him for me or email him for urgent help in any bad situation i promise you he will also help you; his email address is vovolaspellcast@yahoo.com .

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  24. I live in united state, Two years ago i married a lady called saline, we had two children together, we were very happy to be husband and wife, so when i travel on a business trip to Brazil, i spent a year in Brazil due to my kind of business, i and my wife talked on phone all the time, we chatted on the Internet, i never knew that my wife had started cheating on me by going out with her old school friend called Mark, i never knew something was going wrong till i came back from my trip, then i and My wife started having problems, she goes out and come back late at night, she changed in a strange way that i could not endure, i tried to do everything to please her but it got worst, so one day she left the house and never came back, i tried reaching her but no way i could reach her, i never knew she had travelled with her new lover which was Mark, i wanted her so much because of the children she left for me and because i loved her so much too, because of the heart break she has put me into, i went into search of a real magic spell caster though I was scammed twice by a spell caster, but I never relented in my search because I wanted a happy life with my wife, So one morning i saw a testimony about a spell caster Esango Priest, so i contacted him and to my greatest surprise this esangopriest@gmail.com made life manful for me again, my wife came back to me after 3 days of a love spell from this Esango Priest, i took her back and I am now settled with my wife by the magic power of Esango Priest .
    Malcolm franks'

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    1. I am Rebecca, i will like to let every know that there is a true and real spell caster out there and he has helped me in so many way just a few days since i came in contact with him through the help of my good friend who introduced me to him. he did a love spell for me and assured me that after 2days, my ex husband will return to me and to my greatest surprise the 2day my ex came knocking at my door begging for forgiveness. I am so happy that my love is back again. Once again thank you Dr, Shakiki, You are truly a great man wow this man has brought back the joy in my life that was stolen and now i live a better and sound life. he bring back my divorce husband home with his love spell, when i lost my husband.he is true to his word and he is here in the world to help mankind. he is the realest of all spell caster online. he is LORD Dr.Shakiki. you can get him via email: LORDSHAKIKISPELL@GMAIL.COM OR LORDSHAKIKISPELL@YAHOO.COM or you can also contact him through his website http://lordshakikispell.webs.com and i swear a trial will convince you and you will be a happy with you lover again call him +2348100399287

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  25. I'm here to let the whole world know how i got my husband back through the help of a spell caster called Dr. Ekpen Temple, it all started one morning when my husband and I have an argument and he angrily left and said to me that he is no longer coming back to me, at first i thought it was a normal joke, two weeks passed i did hear from him until it became 1 year i still did not hear from him it was then i started looking for how i can get him back (because i love him so much that i don't want to loss him for someone else) is was then i heard about Dr. Ekpen Temple the spell caster on the internet on how he has help so many people in there are relationship so i contacted him, to cut the long story short my husband came back to me and we celebrated the last Christmas and New year together. you can contact Dr. Ekpen Temple on: (((EKPENTEMPLE@gmail. com))) or you can call him on +2347050270218 for help today.

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  26. When I married my husband I was already pregnant and so I didn't have a job. He had a really good job though so I was able to stay home and take care of our son when it was born. When we had our second child we moved to a bigger house, but then strange things started to happen. Things would fly off the walls and doors would slam at night. Our oldest son talked about seeing figures and hearing voices. We consulted a medium and they said the house was haunted. After living there about a year more with only minor occurrences we moved out. That was when the bad luck started to happen. Everything started to fail, with my husband's job, our money and our luck in general. I went back to the same medium and they told me that a spirit had followed me and placed a curse upon me for disturbing it and not being respectful in the previous house. He tried to remove it but was unable. The misfortune kept going on and getting more severe as I tried to search out someone to break the curse. But when I found Dr. Grea he finally did it. Things started turning around almost immediately after he cast the spell and have been great from there! This was really a miracle for us, Re_unifyexlove@outlook.com also visit his website page via: http://reunifyexlove.webs.com. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!

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  27. I had doubts about magic spells after casting many spells that never worked and actually decided to never cast a spell again. I have tried different casters.. Some of them never answered me after I paid and were obvious scams, some really cast a spell but for some reason it didn't work. Then I saw a video on youtube with a person who was mentioning she had results with Dr Help. Despite the suspicions I had his site looked real so I gave spells a last try. It's probably the best decision I ever made in my life because it worked and my boyfriend came back with me. After I broke up with my ex I spent a lot of time wishing that I could just turn the clock backwards.He helped me do just that. In fact our relationship feels like the break up never even happened. We have never been this happy or passionate, all thanks to Dr Help. If you're looking for a good spell caster look no further,Dr Help surpass all other spell-casters,you can contact him straight on wisdomspelltemple1@gmai.com

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  28. My husband has abandon me and the kids for the past 7 months now, and refuse to come back because he was hold on by a woman whom he just met, for that, my self and the kids has been suffering and it has been hell of a struggle, but I decide to do all means to make sure that my family come together as it use to be, then I went to the internet and there I saw so many good talk about this spell caster whose email is wiseindividualspell@gmail.com so I had to contact him and explain my problem to him and in just 3 days as he has promised me, my husband came home and his behavior was back to the man i got married to. I cant thank the spell caster enough for what he did for me, i am so grateful and i will never stop to publish his name on the internet for the good work he has done for me. Dr, Zack Balo you are the best of all.


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  29. How To Win You Ex Back

    With happiness in my heart sharing this testimony on how my ex Husband is back with the help of a great spell caster Dr Ben who i contacted for help and he give me the best of help and after the spell my Husband was back to me what a great joy today living happy with my Husband all thank to Dr Ben contact him on his via mail okosisi.temple@gmail.com he can help you also or call him on +2348133873774
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  30. Greetings My Dear Friends,

    90% of Doctors, Prophets, Spell caster and Professors advertising on the internet are FRAUDS, do not send them money, because i have been scammed alot, block them, they have no powers, all they can do is harass you for money, do not give in. If you have any problem contact chief nwaluta, he is the only true spell caster. My name is Szalay Jessie from South Africa, My heart was crushed in early February this year 2015 and my marriage and Love life was completely muddled and broken down. I was so heart broken and i needed to put an end to the imbroglio that has affected my marriage for the past nine months because i and my kids needed my husband to be back home this Christmas. I knew fully well that I must learn to love myself before anything else and i knew he was meant for me with no doubt, because when we first met till after 14 years of our marriage, he was there for me. After our divorce, without a shadow of a doubt I do feel completely off balance and i was living each day with no direction and very little actual presence of myself, I felt like I was on auto pilot and I was wasting day after day all in pains.. And as of February 3rd, he started bringing in all the lies, the other women, etc. I knew I married for bigger reasons so I hope its just the fog of our issues that brought in the uncertainty. I always liked to keep an open mind, because ultimately, I just wanted everything to be ok with the 3 of us (my son my husband and myself) And Its has not been easy after all the times he's left. I just didn't want to keep falling deeper into the wrong direction. My divorce totally went into default in FEBRUARY. I was totally frustrated and i needed help from an online spell caster which Chief Nwaluta rendered to me completely. Finally I am writing this testimony to offer my thanks and deep gratitude to you Chief Nwaluta for keeping to your words and your promises in bringing him back to me in just 24 hours of your powerful spell casting, and for using your gifted and great powers to bring him back today the 2nd of November 2015. Its an Amazing experience i had with Chief Nwaluta . His Email: Nwalutaspelltemple@gmail.com .. His Website:http://lovespellmallam.yolasite.com/. you can also call him on his Telephone: +234 80723 70762. If you have any problem contact him i give you 100% guarantee that he will help you, he is the only true spell caster.

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  31. It is a great thing and privilege to meet the world powerful female spell caster Dr. Sandra, She was the one who helped me in bring back my Ex, I have meet different types of spell caster but I must confess that her work is 100% different from others and it works very fast In action, I want to say a very big thanks to her because is not by my power neither by the money I spent but by her grace and all, My dream came to pass and my happiness is now real. All thanks goes to her and I promise to share more about her contact her today for any types of spell and I promise your purpose of contacting her will never be in vain on her email address
    SANDRASOLUTIONHOME@OUTLOOK.COM and visit her website by this link
    http://sandrasolutionhome.webs.com

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  32. i"m ERICA, i want to share a very wonderful testimony about Dr OBOITE the spell caster who help me get my ex back when he left me for another lady, i contacted so many spell caster but non could help me bring him back until i contacted Dr OBOITE and explain everything to him, he told me not to worry cause i am going to get him back in just 24hrs with love-spell, power of his gods and forefathers, i trusted in him and did everything he ask me to do, i hopefully wait for the result to my greatest surprise my ex called me and apologize for the pains he has cause me,now we are both happy together and even more in love than before, if you are out there and you are looking for a solution to any problem kindly contact Dr OBOITE through his email address on : Oboitespelltemple2@gmail.com

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  33. My name is Andre's ,Am from Spain i live in USA,i never believe there will ever be a solution to my relationship problem with my lover. my lover called Randy West threw me out of his house and brought in another lady who he now feels the only best for him. until one day i receive a phone call from a friend in the city that my man is going out on a date with another woman in town, i told her i am also surprise too, because since Randy West has left me he hardly think nor call me. so after some few days my friend called Alice called me and told me that she has found a man that is very powerful, and he is a great herbalist from Africa, truly we all knows that Africans are blessed with so much herbal powers which they use to help much people, so he told me that the man name is Dr Erigo that she will forward his email address for me so that i can contact him for help, so truly she sent me Dr Erigo email address and i contacted him that faithful day. he mailed me after a while that my man will be back to me if only i believe on his work,so after 48hours i receive a phone call from Randy West, and he started begging that i should please forgive him against all he had done to me.. he begged me of breaking my heart and letting the other lady a new heart. he promise me never to let go. now i and Randy West are now planning to get married as soon as possible. we are brought back with the great powerful love spell and blinded with Dr Erigo spell, we are happy and glad. contact Dr Erigo on this Email address Erigospellcaster@gmail.com for solution to your any kind of problem you have

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  34. My name is morgan keri.i want to give thanks to dr.trust for bringing back my ex husband.No one could have ever made me believe that the letter I’m about to write would actually one day be written. I was the world’s biggest skeptic. I never believed in magic spells or anything like this, but I was told by a reliable source (a very close co-worker) that Trust is a very dedicated, gifted, and talented person,It was one of the best things I have ever done. My love life was in shambles; I had been through two divorces and was on the brink of a third. I just couldn't face another divorce, and I wanted to try harder to make our relationship work, but my husband didn’t seem to care. and he brake up with me again.I was confuse and do not no what to do again,rather them to get in contact with dr.trust. He did a love spell that make my husband come back to me. we are now very much happy with our self. dr.trust make him to realize how much we love and need each other.This man is for REAL and for good.he can also help you to fix your broken relationship. I had my husband back! It was like a miracle! He suddenly wanted to go to marriage counseling, and we’re doing very, very well,in our love life.contact email(ultimatespellcast@gmail.com or ultimatespellcast@yahoo.com tel:+2348156885231) his web sit sit: http://ultimatespellcast8.wix.com/ultimatespellcast

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  35. my name is not very important here but I am from new Zealand my husband left me after two
    years of marriage I never knew what went wrong till when I contact Dr. Sekagya one morning on a blog where a lady share
    similar testimony he told me what went
    wrong and he restored all to normal i just want to take this time out to say a very big thank you to Dr. Sekagya he is so amazing, after being
    scammed a couple of times and graciously within few days of contact my man reached to me and I
    was so shocked, to cut the long story short, we are back together now and we
    are expecting our first daughter , I am so happy.....this goes out to all the
    troubled lovers out there, I just want to give you hope and believe because you
    have a chance with Dr. Sekagya he brought my
    man back and he can bring your man or woman back, just try him out OK...his personal email is drsekagytemple@yahoo.co.uk and a website http://dr-sekagya21.webs.com/ Stay blessed.

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  36. Wow my Douglas is back to my life, this year is the most happiest year i have ever had in my whole life, am very happy because i celebrated the xmas with my lover Douglas who left me 2 years ago i have always loved him and always which to be with him again, but never knew that Dr Ewan is going to bring him back to my arms within 48 hours and not just bringing him but at the festive period. Am very happy my dream has come true.Am very happy and i know 2016 is going to be a great year for us. So i want to thank Dr Ewan for the great work which he did for me and if you need his help you contact him through: covenantsolutiontemple@gmail.com, or call him on his mobile number he is always there to help you like he did for me, +2347052958531. Name: Daniela From: UK.

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