Friday, October 15, 2010

Sociopaths and sex

A reader wrote asking about sex with sociopaths:
I have a question about sociopaths and sex? Do sociopaths feel emotions when you have sex? I mean obviously you feel the physical part but to what extent if any, do you feel emotionally? My ex, who I am certain is a sociopath, didn't ever make love. I mean it was what it was and I didn't realize it until right before I dumped him. We had that one last romp and I realized it. He acted like he was making love and the sex was great but when I asked him the next day out of curiosty if he left anything, he said it was great. I chuckled and said, "Sex for you is a function like using the toilet, eating, showering or sleeping." He looked at me like "why was I bringing up the obvious" and it hit me. I think for him sex was a way to conquer and exude power and that the chase of luring a hot chick in was more exciting than the act itself. He tried to use sex for manipulation. I have heard of women doing that but never a man.
For someone like me, a normal (whatever the fuck normal is) I can just fuck, but when in love sex is emotional for me and I can't just go fuck all of the time. I am very passionate and I'll leave it at that but I noticed that they were really good at one thing but not so much all of it -- they were either good at oral or good at fucking but not really both. And I am not saying all sociopaths are like this. I hate putting even sociopaths into one category. One thing that sticks out that he was NEVER vocal, not even during climax. Not all men are, but both socios I've been with were that way. They were also VERY concerned about pleasing me which sometimes got to be old. I thought it was insecurity at the time but maybe it was trying to learn how fake emotions. He would say, "does that feel good?" too often. Uh yeah shut up, can't you tell???
He loved the way I can orgasm and that's probably the attraction between socios and others; the energy.
I guess, hell I don't know. I guess that's what I'm trying to figure out.In no way am I bashing sociopaths but I really wonder if most of you feel emotions during sex or about sex. I'd love some feedback on the subject if possible. Your site is great and I learned a lot. Thanks.
It's an interesting question, and I imagine that although there are commonalities, a lot of the sexual experience will depend on the individual sociopath. For instance, here is how a socio reader described sex:
Pain is integral to my sexual experience. When with my ex, there was never any violent sexual encounters. She wouldn't have fought me, and that's part of my pleasure, so with her it would have been pointless. I need unwanted pain or domination in any sexual encounter I have. With men, and women, there has to be some sort of pain or humiliation in order for me to be interested, or to get off. Sex with men can be boring. I control it more than half the time, and they get emotional and lovey dovey somewhere in it. If I am with a freak, the challenge to dominate him is what gets me off, not the actual act. I have gone after freaks, but in the end they get boring. With women, to dominate them is easy, they seem to want it. Even the head strung females I go after turn into droids of mushy nothingness.
When I state I am never there, that means mentally, and emotionally, and sometimes physically, figuratively speaking. I can do what I need to to seem like I am interested, but when the act happens, if normal sex, I am a programmed robot doing the same routine with different people. I would touch human skin, but feel no warmth, I would kiss lips, but feel no softness, I would smell them, but only pick up the scent of air and dirt. My experience with people in regular sex is as if I am alone. I don't connect at all. I see them either above or below me, and think about what they could possibly be feeling, and why. I get nothing from connecting with a human, so what does everyone else get?

I often have this reoccurring fantasy that I have met my sexually violent match, and that we were roughing it to the point where I "lost" the control. I was the one being dominated, and it gets out of hand. I turn the violent sex into a fight for my life, testing my lover to anger and fury to where they would want to hurt me. I would then use this imagined victimization as an excuse to get unorthodox-ed, and do anything in my power to protect myself, including kill. In this fantasy I never use guns, or anything quick. It's always blunt force, where I have to use almost all of my strength to destroy them. Never a knife, always something blunt. In the end I kill my lover, and use the violent sex as an excuse to get away with a planned murder, play Lizzy Borden, and hope my femininity gets me out free. Never went through with this because I doubt the escape would be that easy, heh, hence fantasy. That's one serious impulse I always fight to keep under control, to set up my victimization to kill. Though I would love to experience that high, it isn't worth taking the chance at losing my freedom.
To answer the original question, emotions aren't a strong part of it for me. When I am being intimate with someone, I have a running monologue in my mind of what's going on and my reactions to it, as if I am merely observing the festivities rather than being a very active participant. I rarely get "lost" in the experience, except at the actual point of climax. But again, I've never had normal sex, so I wouldn't know how and to what extent it differs. Does this seem to comport with everyone else's experiences?

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  1. When having sex, I don't get "lost in the moment" either. For me, it's always been about pleasure for the other person. Yes, it is a little about control in the moment, but I think it is more about control in the overall relationship. I wasn't sensitive to your feelings yesterday? (-3 points) Okay, here is a great, long-lasting, etc. blow job that I'm super-duper excited to give you. (+5 points) and I end up coming out on top, so to speak.

    Personally, I don't get much more out of sex than the satisfaction that my partner considers us closer because of it. There is a lot of faking (emotions- not orgasms- my husband knows what he's doing there) and, until someone explained that they wanted me to make noise and say sexy things, I never made a sound. Physically, it does feel nice, but it's just so messy! I think I'd rather a back rub, all other things being equal.

    I'm not a big fantasizer, but the fantasies that I do have are generally about someone powerful on the carnal scheme of things- murderers, rapists, etc.- and how I would dominate them.

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    1. I had an affair with a sociopath/psychopath/narcissistic man that lasted off and on for three years. He was very passionate. After he was "done" with me, I didn't have a relationship for two whole years and read up on narcissistic men. The next man was a true sociopath: charming, seemed to know all about what made me tick and - like the woman stated above me - was more interested in my orgasm than his own. He never wanted me to perform oral sex and I was so pressured to have an orgasm so this guy could stop that I never did have one with him. He would lay down and prop his head up with his hand and just observe me moan and grown and move around with no emotion at all. The one sex act he liked was for me to use a vibrator on myself while he jacked off from watching me. Never again.

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  2. "I would touch human skin, but feel no warmth, I would kiss lips, but feel no softness, I would smell them, but only pick up the scent of air and dirt. My experience with people in regular sex is as if I am alone. I don't connect at all."

    Yeah, I can resonate with that.

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  3. I would touch human skin, but feel no warmth, I would kiss lips, but feel no softness, I would smell them, but only pick up the scent of air and dirt. My experience with people in regular sex is as if I am alone. I don't connect at all. I see them either above or below me, and think about what they could possibly be feeling, and why. I get nothing from connecting with a human, so what does everyone else get?

    Interesting. I can relate to this as well in every instance I've ever had sex, but I doubt that makes me a sociopath. I've always thought of this "emotional connection" most people describe as an over-romanticization of sex. Is it?

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  4. If you feel outside of the act then what turns you on to arousal soyou that can have sex?

    Is it a relase?

    Is it just a nessary and useful function?

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  5. If I am with someone toward whom I feel intense emotion and add that during the intense physical pleasure of sex, then the intensity is multiplied. It adds a dimension of pleasure. I suppose it doesn't really matter what emotion you add as long as it's intense.

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  6. If you feel outside of the act then what turns you on to arousal soyou that can have sex?

    Is it a relase?

    Is it just a nessary and useful function?


    I personally have no sex drive, nor do I find any enjoyment in watching porn; both are rather boring, and orgasms take forever, only to end up in a smelly sweaty mess feeling like you've wasted another half hour of your life just to keep a relationship going by providing that "emotional connection" your partner is always pawing at you for.

    It's not as bad as I describe it, since I get other things in return.

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  7. I sound like an idiot. This subjet takes past logical thinking and into a zone. LOL

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  8. "I think for him sex was a way to conquer and exude power and that the chase of luring a hot chick in was more exciting than the act itself."

    I am a lesbian socio and I definitely think part of my attraction to women is due to my socipathy. All my girlfriends have been "hot chicks" that my guy friends all lusted for. The thrill of power I got from "winning" her was perhaps what I would translate as "feelings" for her. And in sex, it's like I'm being granted access into some highly wanted and guarded area. But she lets me, and only me in.
    I must also admit that every single one of my fantasies involves me throwing a girl up against a wall, on a table, breaking something (some form of violence even if it's mild). And I enjoy feeling dominant, like she is submitting and allowing me to have control over her body.


    "they were also VERY concerned about pleasing me which sometimes got to be old. I thought it was insecurity at the time but maybe it was trying to learn how fake emotions."

    I don't think the socio is trying to fake emotions, actually, I think it's about their own ego. People pride themselves (especially men) on being able to get their partner off. It speaks to how skilled you are and how attractive you are. Also, the socio wants to feel like every orgasm they give their partner is the most mindblowing one they've ever had. It's the idea of setting a new record every time, being better--the BEST.


    "He loved the way I can orgasm and that's probably the attraction between socios and others; the energy."

    I have found that at times I'll get more turned on from hearing my girlfriend's sex noises and orgasms, than if I'm in the act itself. I like the idea that I have the power to make her body shake and tremble--I have the power to make HER lose control of herself.
    So perhaps that is how socios can work in sexual realtionships. Instead of empaths, who have much more emphasis on mutual enjoyment, connectivity, one-ness, for the socio and their partner it can be a back and forth of relinquishing and exerting power.

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  9. Alice said, " Also, the socio wants to feel like every orgasm they give their partner is the most mindblowing one they've ever had. It's the idea of setting a new record every time, being better--the BEST."
    and Alice said,
    " I like the idea that I have the power to make her body shake and tremble--I have the power to make HER lose control of herself."

    I wouldn't say that those things are exclusive to sociopaths. I am a somewhat "empathetic normal" and those statements hold true for me.

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  10. Maybe all of you amazingly fabulous sociopaths should go live on a large island together. It would make life a alot easier on the 99% of the rest of the population and then you can play your weird behavioural disorder games on each other.
    Either that or maybe we should function like the Inuit and shove you guys off of ice floes so you die. I dunno just a thought.

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    1. Funniest comment possible. I'd love to go live on a large island away from people like you. You honestly must have no real knowledge of a sociopath, because that put the biggest smile on my face because I'm not offended or mad at your comment even though you probably think it's so goddamn hurtful you dumbass.

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    2. That would be very, very nice. That would be perfect. - S

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    3. The problem there is if you put them on an island they would have a lot of neglected kids.

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    5. That was hilarious. Ice flows...

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  11. @Anon

    What do you gain from leaving a comment like that? Surely you realise anyone reading it wont care, or be offended, so what do you gain from it? Does it make you feel good?

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    1. He's just pissed that a sociopath made him fall in love and probally never loved him back. I'm not a sociopath but my sons father is.

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  12. LOL looks like someone's try to impersonate me.

    Read an earlier post. Well impersonation is highest form of flattery. Thank you but I've submitted and been reformed.

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  13. Anon said, "Either that or maybe we should function like the Inuit and shove you guys off of ice floes so you die."

    Psycho-genocide fantasy much?

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  14. What about smoking weed' what does that do for you?
    In relation to how it makes you feel during sex.

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  15. @Aerianne: I guess the difference may be that aside from the desire to have power and control over a lover, and the desire to "win" by giving her the best sex, there are no emotional feelings of closeness. There are no feelings of love swirling around in me, not even in the sense of intimacy.
    My intentions are selfish, I must admit, because although it may seem as if I want HER to feel good, in fact, it's what her feeling good does for me.

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  16. Alice, I get what you are saying. I'm not sure that even empaths are seeing hearts and butterflies during sex; at other times but maybe not during sex.
    You said, " because although it may seem as if I want HER to feel good, in fact, it's what her feeling good does for me."
    I still don't think that's unique to sociopaths. I think most people who have enjoyable sex lives realize that it really doesn't go much of anywhere spectacular without the give and take steadily building to the desired crescendo.

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  17. My fantasies and daydreams about love and sex are infinitely more powerful than the real thing, or what passes for the real thing.

    It's all conceptual for me, very little of it is actually physical.

    And weed makes me very horny.

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  18. I don't know, I've always enjoyed foreplay but as soon as intercourse actually happens...it feels like a huge let down. So, it becomes an act that is meant soley for the other persons sake of enjoyment because I become incapable of deriving any type of real satisfaction.

    I've have yet to have violent sex though, possibly that will make all the difference...unlikely though, it takes so much for me to feel anything these days.

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    1. It is for me the power I have in that moment i am a giver not so much a reciever, But the guy im with now is the freakiest and its fun but i personally never really waned to be ate out. I have been with both and i like the praise more. We were bored and i agreed to do whatever he wanted to spice up our sex life and we slept with another girl and its not love i feel its accomplishment and i am actually bored now alone with him so i had my boyfriend bite all over me and yes pain helped it become exciting to him and i.

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  19. Asking around a bit, weed seems to be generally enjoyable for everyone I know who smokes. I find that strange, since it does virtually nothing for me but make me paranoid (no matter what quality), and it's overall an unpleasant experience (just like with alcohol) having no control over my perceptions. I've only met 2 people in my life who feel the same, one being my father.

    Curious to know if anyone else has similar experiences.

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    1. This is the problem with society. After reading all of these comments, it seems that there are a lot of differences within sociopaths. People tend to think that they are all Ted Bundy clones. In general though, I believe that ALL sociopaths NEED to dominate. Its in our nature, there's no denying that.

      The rant aside, yes i feel the same. When i smoke weed, I get so paranoid and i have to be alone. When i drink, i lose all control of the "face" i try to display to people. I persuaded a woman at a party to come home with me and when we got there we drank, and the vodka hit me hard this time, and i started to "freak out" for lack of a better term and she ended up running out my back door as i was blocking the front one.

      Sad day for the "face". Good news though, we are talking again and she may be falling for me. Its a gorgeous thing.

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  20. Anon, when you say it's hard for you to feel anything do only mean physically?

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  21. No, physically I am sure my sensory feelings are "normal/average" but attaching any type of worth to pleasurable things doesn't seem possible for me. It actually makes me shun pleasure and seek pain, I am not sure why but I develop a type of mania from hardships, whereas I get nothing from pleasure other than disgust.

    I guess that's why I go out of my way to put myself in high sensory output situations, like climbing on the side of cliff without any rope or committing crimes, anything to get a rise out of myself, anything to scare myself. But as I said, it's become increasingly harder. In one situation I was about to be caught and was corned by the entire police force of a small town, I walked away completely unphased. It's so hard to keep oneself entertained these days.

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  22. No One, smoking pot makes me very self-conscious and that's not a feeling a enjoy. I rarely smoke it and when I do, I only hit it once and it last for hours and hours. I'm very sensitive to it.

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  23. It only makes me paranoid if I'm around people. I don't smoke around people.

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  24. I stopped smoking about 12 yrs ago because the high changed from groovy to paranoia. Then about six months ago I was curious to see if I would still have the same response but I didn't. Like Aerianne, I would just take a hit and that's fine for me. I'm paranoid about being paranoid:)

    It's interesting how it affects people differently. I think it would have to do with our perspective on things to begin with.

    Grace

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  25. I always thought it had to do with your personal chemistry.
    Do you know that some cats aren't affected by catnip? That's a gene they carry.

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  26. I think it's probably a mix of both.

    I don't really like drinking, makes me feel more ill than good (physical) and I hate anything that changes my personality, especially when it makes me pretend to love people (mental). My whole family is pretty much this way. No interest in booze. I think it's partially in the blood.

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  27. Our perspective is a mixture of many things. One being chemistry. If, God forbid, you should become depressed, clinically or situationally, pot might suddenly affect you differently.

    Grace

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  28. I am crazy when I drink. I drank last night and it only served to remind me why I don't like to.

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  29. So when you're sober you're not crazy? Don't know about that one UK. That's interesting, none of us, so far, are drinkers....hmmm.

    Grace

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  30. I have a bottle of Jack Daniel and a few beers everyday.

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  31. that's too bad...you blew my theory:(

    Grace

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  32. And what was your theory?

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  34. I either do not drink at all, or I drink to excess. I see no purpose in a buzz. I'm not particularly different when I'm hammered, though. I can still drive, carry on a conversation, do the work my business requires. Hell, I can even talk to police, when the situation calls for it.

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  35. I like the buzz and try to avoid the hangover.

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  36. I think I got lucky in terms of internal chemistry. No apparent capacity for addiction, no hangovers ever, no horrible comedown off of harder drugs.

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  37. When I'm sober I'm only half crazy. This girl, a complete stranger, ruined my negotiation with another person and started arguing with me Friday night. I backhanded her and this guy came to play hero so I stomped him out. Meanwhile everyone I knew looked at me appalled and told me I had to leave, including my own employee since it was her friends club. My girlfriend took me home and said I don't know what's socially acceptable. She said that what I did was wrong on so many levels. Everything was cool the next day, but I'm good on drinking.

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  38. HM, my theory is(was) that sociopaths and empaths don't like feeling out of control and for me I don't like to experience things out of control. If I were with UK and his gang Friday night I would have run far away..can't handle it. I'm sure "normals" can be this way too but no one here is normal. Weed may be the exception for some of us because it's calming but not depressing like booz. It was something I was thinking about about.

    Grace

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    1. Grace-
      I may be able to provide you with some fresh perspective, being a female socio still in college. Obviously, social drinking is integral to owning a place like a college, and from a calculating mind, I can tell you that drinking is overall very enjoyable for me. It is the social aspect of drinking that I so dislike. While alcohol has a pleasant numbing effect on my chronic boredom, being around "normal" drunk people is unpleasant and aggravating. Drunk empaths hang more heavily on my sleeve, and are more sloppy with their emotion, even of they are more mailable, like putty in my hands.

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    2. I do feel love with my boyfriend but he doesnt show me love really ever and in some sick ass way i am chasing him even doing things i never thought i would do just to please him. And now its just so obvious reading all these very insightful stories that maybe we are both sociopaths. I want to be the best for him and hes just trying to be the.best so he can break my heart in the.end. I just dont understand why i stay with him but he does things most guys or.girls wont . Its sex to me that makes any relationship work. Lame in bed not.gonna be in that situation anymore...stay with.some one who gave.me absolutely nothing to be interested in.

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  39. Grace said, "no one here is normal."

    Heh...

    Have we ever decided what "normal" is?

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  40. I don't think so Aerianne. Anyone who is normal isn't coming on a blog about sociopathy. That's for sure.

    Grace

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    1. NormaL & LovinG Mi SocioPatH GuY!
      MaYBE iT woRK's BecauSE I CaN reaD HiM..?
      oR MaYbe BeCauSE I caN Be On My Knee'S aS HiS Bitch eTc...
      AnD thEN ChanGe it UP anotheR DaY & CracK thE WhiP on hiS LiTTLE SweeT ManipuLating a$$... lol ;D
      We've BeeN throuGh a Lot GooD & Bad...
      Which I FeeL Made Us GRoW....
      He knows the only WaY he CaN manipulate Mi iS iF I ALLoW iT!
      I Love ThaT There is NeveR a DuLL "NORMAL" MomenT iN OuR CaSA!
      SomeOne wiLL say.... ThaT Girl iS FaR From "NoRMaL"!!! lol ;D
      I BelievE there iS aN ExcepTioN 2 EverY RuLe aND SomeOnE 4 EveryOnE iF U Are LucKy enougH 2 FinD TheM!!!
      HealtHY HaPPY DaY 2 ALL!!
      The NeW NoRmaL x;D*


      I know thE scripT I enjoY Playing thE Game I Love Being with my Sociopath!
      NeveR a duLL "NORMAL" MomenT! lol x;D*

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  41. Hail to false dichotomies!

    Grace said, "no one here is normal."

    By the way, Grace, I feel so honoured you think I'm normal ;)

    I've always wanted to be dull and uninteresting.

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  42. From my experience I think sex was a way my ex could see deeper into me, or that was his intention at least. From the beginning I was uneasy around him, but of course I just thought it was because I had found my soul mate and was nervous. He built me the perfect house and had the lever that makes the floors collapse behind his back. The first time we had sex was after we broke up. We were together for two months and I didn’t really want to wait, but he did for some reason. Then I asked him if a rumor I heard was true and he ended it. I was devastated and lost and so damn naĂŻve. That first time was while I still adored him though. He was just scared and cared about me too much or whatever other deluded excuse I made up for him. (Isn’t it nice that the empaths make up most of the excuses for you guys?) Looking back at it I felt so relieved that everything was going to be okay and that we were still going to have some kind of relationship and that he was who he said he was. I wanted really badly to believe it. I got into doing E pretty seriously so EVERY other time he called me after bar close I was on drugs. It is so interesting to sleep with a sociopath when you are on a drug that makes you want to feel ‘close’ to other people. I felt nothing positive during these times, physically it was boring and passionless. The drug seemed to put me on an induced emotional level that made my perceptions clearer when it came to him. It scared me how he was so silent and so determined to give me an orgasm, he never succeeded; I faked it so it could just be over. By the end of the year I knew what he was but would still sleep with him every 3 or 4 weeks to test my strength. I stopped responding to him sexually (while on E) and he didn’t seem to understand what was going on. I just laid there and then would get dressed and leave and then he started trying to start over or something, visiting me at work and stuff. I still guard my energy around him to this day and I am sure he can read that but I like that he knows I know what he is and I absolutely love that I am better off because of the experience. I just think it is interesting that in the end the sex gave me the deeper insight… not him.

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  43. can any of you actually care about another persone, can you actualy love them? not sex or a rush but just, care?

    and if not, what do you do when they stop caring if you hurt them. give up on you being real, stop fightng, and just sit until its over?

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    1. they move on to the next victim.

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  44. I care for people in the same way that I care for a cherished possession. I keep them from being broken, but they're really just things to me. Is that good enough for you, Anonymous?

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  45. so what do you do if it brakes?

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  46. Break the other person's toys, of course. What would you do?

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  47. try to fix it.

    i've know him since i my 14th birthday, and we got together a few months after my birthday. after 7 months i left becaes i had allot of other problams in my head and i never new if he was going to suport me when i tould him what was wrong or if he was going to tell me im just weak.i came back 7 monthes later, we started talking and it was like nothing ever ended. sounded like he care and missed me so we got back together. it was great for 3 months then started getting really bad around my 16 birthday. im 17 now and its to the point where if i call him at the wrong time he makes me feel like ive cheated on him or something bad. but he says he wants to mary me and he loves me and he's doing it to make me stronger cause he believes in me... i tried to kill myself resantly and ended up staying because he called. i got out of the hospital and every thing was great for a week. he talked to me and didnt bring up every little thing ive ever done..but its getting really bad again. worse than before.

    i don't know what to do..

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  48. Break up with him and find a new boyfriend, clearly. You're 17, kitten. You've got nothing but choices.

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  49. he told me if i ever left him again he'd kill me, or himself..i love him still i really dont know why i know nothing will be like it used to but he says itll be better when i move in..thats in a few months

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  50. all of my plans since i was 15 are for me to live with him if i dont i lose everything

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  51. Don't be an idiot, girl. He's clearly just abusive. He won't kill himself, and he most likely won't kill you either. How on earth do you lose anything if you break up with him? I imagine you're still in high school, right? Just go off to college and leave him behind.

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  52. my home is worse than he is, he has hurt people before and he would come for me even if he dosen't kill me he would hurt me in some way i couldnt recover from. i am in high school but am on a strange set up. the only reason i dont live with him now is because he wants me to finish school. and everyone i know thinks we have the best relationship posible. they would make it alot harder if i left him. i just want to know how to deal with accapting he doesn't care, when he says he does and makes me feel guilty for thinking he doesn't. i almost dont care anymore but i want to make sure before i make another mistake..

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  53. Call an abuse hotline and see what they say. They'll tell you exactly what I did.

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  54. lol the thing is..its around a 90% chance im a sociopath to. cause when it comes down to it i think i love him but more than half of me couldnt care less. it would be fun to leave and see if he comes after me, but if i stay it may be even better than waiting for him to come "get' me. idk it goes of and on sometimes i care most times idont. but idk if im a sociopath or not

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  55. You don't sound like a sociopath you just sound confused. Take Postmodern's suggestion and scram. Why get invovled with trouble like that? If you do that now then you're setting up the stage for future disaster relationships. Take my word. Get it together and take care of yourself. You're young and stuff like this will come and go for you. Learn to filter out the crap. He's a learning tool for you..nothing more.

    Grace

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  56. attention craving much? if you've always felt that way you may be a sociopath, other wise you've just bean sucked dry.


    they really should just develope a good online quize to find out if your a sociopath at this point.

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  57. Do sociopaths get pleasure from celabrating thier sociopathicness on a website and relating to eachothers sociopathic feelings in a forum?

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    1. Althought I have only been self aware for a few years now, I have always had two "best friends". We never shared secrets or feelings like we felt we were supposed to, we just conversed, an shared ideas, even from a very young age. We were not especially drawn to one another, but simply ended up together by slowly realizing nobody else in our relatively large hometown was "enlightened" as the three of us called it.
      In elementary school we learned to not tie up cats in public. In middle school we shared hypothesis on why carving off our own skin was so interesting. And by high school we learned that our combined power was momentous.
      Although words were not put to it for a long time, we each knew what we were. And although we have perfected the image of a tightly knit group of women, we are bound mostly by convienence and a sort of relationship impossible with an empath. While most people in my life are nice to have, like toys, my fellow socios have What is closest to what I have ever had to a two way relationship. Although this relationship is based on not much beyond a quiet mutual understanding (or misunderstanding) and the power that
      We gain when working together.

      Today, the three of us live in three neighboring states. This is actually a very nice situation for us because physical closeness and "staying emotionally close" does not apply to our arrangement. We each know that the other two will continue to dominate their area, and keep all of our most loved empaths "under a strict watch".

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  58. I am the same poster from the October 18, 2010 11:39 AM post & to you 5:20: There is absolutely nothing wrong with people with similar understandings to relate to each other. Spoken like a true empath I know, but everyone needs to relate somehow. Maybe you're trying to in the wrong place?

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  59. this sounds like an obvious one but what do you call a sociopath who occasionally throws tantrums but is generally pretty contained. drinks on the job but it's usually imperceptible and every so often risky. low, medium, or high functioning?
    also, respects boundaries pretty impressively given how highly-charged he is.
    been to jail but going straight for a few years. anyone?

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  60. Well, you call him your boyfriend, from the sound of it.

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  61. haha. just someone at work.

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  62. Yes, 5:27.
    Everyone needs to relate somehow, I suppose that was a dumb question.
    I like your post, I don't know how that guy could pursue you after he knew you knew what he was about.

    The truth is I'm not very well educated and just now tonight learned what the definition of a sociopath really is through random web searching. At first I thought this website was wack but after reading more posts I've learned its not completly wack.
    Anyways,
    I'm in a new town
    I'm 24 years old
    Mom is paying the rent
    and there is an insecure girl that also thinks she has found her soul mate that I just might call tomorrow.
    This is awesome.

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  63. Would a sociopath enjoy dating another sociopath? Couldn't they achieve great things together?

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  64. I would imagine it would be more difficult, or rather challenging. At least in the sense that it's easier to control those who are susceptible to emotional manipulation.

    As for whether it's enjoyable, it would be the same as asking if women like to cook; depends on who you're asking.

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  65. "I would imagine it would be more difficult, or rather challenging. At least in the sense that it's easier to control those who are susceptible to emotional manipulation."

    as a sociopath in a relationship with another for the last few years, i can say it was hard to do in the begining. but after a while it works out if you do it correctly and make rules that niether of you is to brake you get a never ending game, always challenging and new. plus neither one of us really cares and neither one of us can get hurt so its always fun. sometimes we team up on other people one of us plays victom, the other the bad guy and watch all the helpless people try to save us. its nice. they're cute

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  66. same person from October 19, 2010 8:32 PM

    also after being together so long we have learned when to just let the other win for a moment and get back at it later. we are the same but still different, we know the others wants and sometimes allow the other to win just to be nice. but somehow we still win cause we know we're just allowing them to have it and they think they really won. you just have to look at things the right way. for us this is close enough to love, "regular" people are just boring, they don't give a real challenge.

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  67. Smfh@ "an insecure girl that thinks she found her soulmate that I just might call". And the adventure begins... Wtf?!? Wow. I can't.

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  68. Lol. Though you may want to use less obscure internet abbreviations in the future.

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  69. stumpythechickendinosaurMarch 28, 2011 at 5:43 AM

    Anonymous@ a sociopath chat room hardly seems like the place to post a sob story about your boyfriend, and if you were really a sociopath, you would be able to handle yourself, not play the victim. You're just suffering from the anti-social disease of apathy, which is highly contagious in this country.
    Does anyone here ever feel or understand alienation? Just curious. What about sexual desire? Does anyone ever get the strong desire to fuck for the pure sake of fucking?

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  70. I am severely broken after breaking up with my sociopathic bf. He stalked me, got me alone with him and manipulated me into thinking he was so nice and head over heals in love with me since highschool. Im 24 now. I was depressed at the time and i thought he was trying to help me. He was so lovely and caring and thought I was so beautiful. I left my current bf at the time and went out with him.

    I have always had strong christian morals and for 7 yrs would not have sex until I was married. But with him, the very first night, I said "no" to him feeling under my underwear and he kept doing it until i got up and he completely flipped out and said I "have fucked up boundaries" and he's confused and turned over an wouldn't talk to me. That night I had sex with him. I didn't want to do it so soon but i didnt want to make him mad. I wanted him to still want me and think I was beautiful. Maybe I did have stupid boundaries?

    The relationship from then on was about him dominating me. Holding me down while he had sex with me, trying to do anal sex with me when I didn't want to, trying to drug me to do anal sex, pinning my arms behind my back and trying to do anal, nagging me to sleep with him until I couldn't take it anymore. I cried during it once. He said it was my fault and I should have left and he thought my "no" actually meant "yes". He said anal turned him on cause I have never done it and would never do it. He wanted to be the first to conquer it. He tried to make me have threesomes with this other girl he fanticised about and constantly bragged about models that he manipulated and slept with. How he almost fucked his girlfriends step mum while his gf was in the house and said it was the gfs fault for being so naieve. He also bragged about How he gave them insecurities so he could bring down their confidence and have a chance with them. He hit on my sister and felt her up in front of me. It's like he didn't understand boundaries at all. He was tempted and the more difficult it was to get the more fun it was for him.

    I don't know how I was so blind and listened to his never ending excuses for his actions. I wanted to feel special and desirable and he used to make me feel like that. But his actions made me feel jealous, insecure and inadequate. He got bored fast and told ppl he couldnt believe how easy i was to get And how it's just routine now. He cheated on me with the girl he had been fanticising about. I left him and he's now with that girl. I am devastated. So hurt that I was used and he is just happy and moved onto the next victim. I know he will use her as well. Just another challenge.

    I think it's all because he was a loser in school and never had a girlfriend and never had sex. Then he got hot and muscly and now it's like he's getting revenge on women or something. I have suicidal thoughts but I am getting therapy and trying to hold it together. I am such a nurturing person and any physical thing i do is an act of love and my body is like giving my heart to someone. I only ever give it to ones i really love and want to marry. He used it and threw it away. I think his step dad is a sociopath too and has been suspected of murdering his wife and sleeping with a student he taught.

    I am so mad at him and want to get him back somehow. Can I ask a sociopath male to tell me what the best revenge is? Do I act happy like I don't care? Show im Hurt? Get another guy? Tell the new gf about his personality disorder? Will he ever care???

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  71. So....question: I am fascinated by this subject & convinced I'm surrounded, divorcing one, etc. I consider myself to be empathetic but possess many socipathic traits myself. I just got dumped by another sociopath- at very least, pathological liar- for no known reason after being seduced wittingly and having known man for years as an employee. I'm not sure whether conquest was to get even with my ex or just thrill. But although I all ready believed he was a sociopath, I fell hard. After years of a sexless marriage, the sex was fantastic but it was just straight sex in the best sense of non-lovemaking and this didn't bother me at all. However, the lies get to me. I wanted raw sex.

    After much reflection and research, I have determined that I am actually attracted to sociopaths- one after the other over the years- even when I recognize the warning signs. Could this be a sociopathic tendency that I want to conquer others? I never feel need to flee, keep wanting more & enjoy the risky behavior.

    So who is somebody that actually seeks sociopaths out? What category is that?

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  72. From 3:51 post:

    I'm an educated small business owner who loves to have fun, can't believe I allowed myself to forego sex all those years, middle-aged but attractive. I don't lie so often because it's easier for me to track the truth but that is only disparity. I just want to have hot non-attached sex and I've always been that way. However, I fell for the "years of fantasies" line, then the dominance, the "best sex ever" line and he's 10 years younger. I also fell for that fact that he made me come like no other. I also fell for the places- all very risky. Hmmmmm. Confused. Yet I do call him on his lies so he bolted. Such a juxtapostition. The other sociopath in my life was just plain abusive so I left.

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  73. To Anonymous May 17, 2011 3:51 PM

    YES! THIS! I'm empathic with some socio tendencies, and I'm always attracted to sociopaths. I'm reading these comments thinking I would be attracted to whichever person if I knew them in real life. The sociopaths I've been involved with are very direct and make me feel wanted.

    Whatever you are, I am right there with you!

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  74. I don't know how I was so blind and listened to his never ending excuses for his actions. I wanted to feel special and desirable and he used to make me feel like that. But his actions made me feel jealous, insecure and inadequate. He got bored fast and told ppl he couldnt believe how easy i was to get And how it's just routine now. He cheated on me with the girl he had been fanticising about. I left him and he's now with that girl. I am devastated. So hurt that I was used and he is just happy and moved onto the next victim. I know he will use her as well. Just another challenge.

    Omgosh! That is my ex bf exactly. Thank you for posting. I'm saving that post to keep reminding myself that he truly is a sociopath.

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  75. I have almost no interest in sex. Like many posters before me, i think the exitement is in getting the chick than in the actual act. The only reason i have sex is because it makes my girlfriend at the moment feel closer, & therefor, lets me get away with more things.

    I even remember, when im about to end a relationship anyway, just getting up, putting my clothes on, and walking away just before climax.

    Sex is just a tool to have power over someone. Thats really it.

    Although i do have violent fantasies about sex, either me or her being dominant. When i am, i just do whatever the hell i want to her, or when she is, she does what she wants, and i try to overpower her. Ive never actually had violent sex, but the thought of it gets me off.

    -Alex

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  76. I am an empath male. I have remet an old (GIRL)friend on FB, that has all the given traits of a sociopath. Except from the very beginning she insisted that I can never feel anything more than friendship for her, that she has no desire to interfere in my marriage (yet she sleeps with many married men)and when I want to meet her she comes up with such flimsy excuses not to see me. Is there a female sociopath out there that I can chat to who can guide me through my many unanswered questions?

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    1. I would be happy to chat with you. I know I am a bit late, but I just read this comment and I would love delve in the conversation...what would you like to chat about sir!?

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    2. Id also like to chat with a female sociopath. If you get this, email me at demetri.kovako@gmail.com, im also a sociopath and im finding it more and more intriguing and useful to talk to others. So please, email me.

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  77. I think she doesn't want to ruin you. Consider yourself lucky. She knows she can, believe me. I'm a borderline and I know that. It isn't narcissism I think I'd ruin someone. It's that the temptation to take you and have you even for one night will make you question your attachment to your wife. She remembers exactly your vulnerabilities and she knows how to compliment you. You'll feel listened to for the first time. She'll hold you close in bed. She'll tell you you make her feel wonderful.. Then she'll pull out the tears because she has issues and you'll want to save her. It's a textbook scenario she'd rather not put you through. Because she'll leave you high and dry when she feels smothered. Buy smothered, .... I could go on and on. Just don't do it. If you think she's a sociopath and not a borderline, multiply that scenario by ten.

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    1. Anonymous,
      I find your answers very insightful. Maybe you can shed some light on a female sociopath friend of mine as well? I am a female, 12 years older than my fs, and am married. i feel she is bisexual has flirted with me in the past and has given just enough flirtation to get me hooked. We have been friends four almost 4 years but I feel I have always been in the "Mother" role as her friend. For about a year now, her whole personality has changed with me. she is distant, businesslike, no flirtations. Is now best friends with another woman close to her age and who is divorced like her... I am angry that I feel I was played with all of these years, yet realize she only liked me platonically possibly... yet she didn't at times... Does that make sense to you? I do feel used and am unsure as to how I feel about her now that I know she has seduced this other friend or at least attempted to so I hear.

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  78. It seems like most Sociopaths are sexopaths, who shares this experience? for more info http://sexopath.blogspot.fr/

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  79. This is to you self-identified socio/psychopaths out there.

    Hello. I think I've figured this out, I just want validation. I dated a man who I suspect has antisocial tendencies. After meeting him in person, after talking/chatting for awhile, we slept together. My questions are these: do you all make up outlandish stories, infused with enough truth to placate any concerns of your partner, just going for the chase? I've run background checks on this guy, and nothing matches up. It's as though I didn't know anything about and basically turned myself into a prostitute. Is it possible for some like me, not a self-identified psychopath, to bait him into meeting me again so I can figured out who the hell he is? It's all been so surreal. Thank you in advance.

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    1. LOL at that. You are the reason that sociopaths strive.

      You try to get to know a mate first, but deception is so so so easy with you women nowadays. You think just because a guy looks at you a certain way, makes certain facial expressions and says certain things that he is worthy of sleeping with you.

      So weak and pathetic.

      And i doubt you'll find him. Theres no reason for him to go back to you now.

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  80. I recently made efforts to expell a sociopath from my life. He started working with me and tricked me into getting my number. (im happily married) id ask him why he would want to talk to a married women and hed get offended. I called him out on his game. But oh you guys, you are just so charming! After hearing "we are such good friends" And "your the best" over and over i started to believe it. Still i was always trying to prove that he wanted to sleep with me. After a year of lies i knew he was telling and 80 texts a day, i was practically begging him to fuck me. Knowing what i know now about his personality, no wonder he was reluctant even after all the talk on it. (he was not good at being sexy. He gave weird answers that noone would find hot btw) That and his comments about how waiting was "awesome". Crap, me trying to figure him out was the whole purpose. A very long and confusing story later my guilt was too much and i told my husband. He sent him a message telling him to leave me alone. He was still trying to make eye contact at work to read me. To figure out if that was my choice or my husbands. So i sent him a very long and, to me, horribly mean letter explaining that i knew everything. I even bashed his dick from pics hed sent me. I analyzed and exposed the game we were both playing. I never mentioned knowing what he is because i still have to see this guy. I dont know how hed react. My question is, that letter that i, as a total and complete empath found hurtful and hilarious- Did that just make him hotter for me? He always said he loved when i was confident. he had definetly gotten bored of me. I was getting emotional on him.. My intent in the letter was to make him cut me out of his mind anD move on. Also, it felt fantastic to pick him apart. That was purely for me. Advice would be wonderful as i had never met a socipath before him. I always thought there was a goodness in everyone. Hey, im young. Was naive and learned a lot. If my lashing out just made his fasination amplify, what can i do to really make him lose interest? Even ignoring him feels like the same game just twisted differently.

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  81. Question: For a sociopath, though an orgasm may not elicit the same type of "feeling" as for a ns; if there is any feeling at all, can you describe "exactly" what that feeling is like? As Dr. Phil puts it, "There has to be a pay-out, or you wouldn't do it."

    Also, I keep reading from the ns where sociopaths don't feel anything, yet there's contradiction from the sociopaths suggesting otherwise. So what the hell do the nc know what they're talking about...it's like an arrogant male telling a female what she's feeling during a rape. In a world where the sociopath society is on the rise, the only way we ns are going to deal with it is through knowledge....I don't hate sociopaths either, but the more we understand them, the better we can deal with both worlds.





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    1. You CANT generalize people based on one thing. Sociopaths dont have true empathy/concern for others. Other than that, they have varying personalities.

      Ive been getting with a lot of women lately, no bragging intended, and it seems that I finish when i get bored. The girl right now, straight-up freak, makes me never actually cum and we just fuck for hours. Its beautiful.

      And btw, i feel happiness, i think more than others. I find myself laughing in situations that have little humor. Im just pleased with the world, so perfect, so many people, so many chances to have fun with manipulation and create emotional turmoil for people.

      WE DO HAVE FEELINGS, WE ARE PEOPLE TOO!

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  82. I suppose I'm allowed to be as blunt as I want on this site, here goes: Does a sociopath, get his rocks off, feeling and all, the same way a ns person does???

    Thanks, much!

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    1. Its not as simple as that, you typical moron. Sociopaths, although void of caring for others, have varying characteristics.

      I am blessed, no pun intended. I find extreme happiness in the most unusual places, I can fake emotions so well, and basically make people believe the "face" i want them to.

      In the end, I feel bad for you being caring and empathetic. Its a waste of time. But saying that, a lot of these people on here are just as stupid. Sociopathy can be such a blessing with a little restraint and thought.

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  83. I`ve been in a `relationship` with a sociopath (just found out) for the last 6 yrs...it`s been hell! For the last 4yrs we have had no intimacy whatsoever and definitely no sex....he has no interest whatsoever, but seems to delight in parading naked in front of me and steering conversations - especially when other men are around, to sex...you would think he was an expert. I just want to tell everyone that he`s a limp dick!!! What is his problem???

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    1. Obviously, you didnt turn him on. So how about you learn from your mistake and try being more sexy for the next guy.

      The fact that you try and diss him so much means you cared for him. Props to him for decieving you ;)

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    2. Your situation is so similar to mine...I was in a relationship with a sociopath for the last 7 years. He too did not see me as a sex object and was always naked around me. We had sex from time to time but I did all the work. He always told me that we weren't together, we weren't dating and we weren't a couple, we were just friends, but we did everything a couple would do in the 7 years. We went out to eat, movies, clubs, vacations, camping, caving...etc. He did things that would make me question his motives and his mind. He never said he was sorry for anything he did and always blamed me. He got to the point that when I talked to him he would tell me I was "stressing him the fuck out" so for the last three years we really didn't have much conversation at all. With hardly any sex and no conversation he still kept me around...for what reason I don't know. I kept coming back around to snuggle with him because he played the "Depression" card and I was always worried about him. I left him several times over the years because of things he would do to piss me off and every time before I left he would break down and cry on cue. Just enough to keep me worrying about him when I was gone. He never called or checked up on me any of the times I left him. He would just wait me out and then like a dumb ass I would come crawling back to him. I cared for him a lot but also knew all along that our zodiac signs were not compatible on a relationship level. He said being with me was the longest he had ever been with anyone. He sealed the deal with his next victim two weeks before he decided to get rid of me. I walked away from him and never looked back. The hardest part is knowing that I never meant anything to him and never will.

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  84. Thank you so much for the great read. This was so interesting, can't believe I actually found it in Google. Thanks again :)

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  87. My ex was a sociopath. I remember the first time we had sex, we just was ontop and stared off into space. He just pumped along until he was finished. Like many of the other stories, he was obsessed with making me orgasm. I'd go 7 times a day sometimes. He would kiss me more and act more into it the longer we were together... key word act.

    Overall I dont think he was evil...I think he wanted more than anything to FEEL something. I think that is why he was drawn to me. I am super empathic...almost to the point I can read minds. I think he saw I was sweet, smart, an intelligent and WANTED to love me but couldn't. So he paid me in orgasms, I guess..

    I miss his attention, but he was mostly manipulative...like he couldn't resist to steal and use everyone around him. I wish I could have "cured" him... but now I know thats not possible...

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  89. I am currently with my boyfriend of two years and i am completely inlove with him and i don't even know how i can.....He is always putting me down telling me im dumb that I can go to hell but the next half hr he is sweet. He tells me he loves me and wants to marry me then he flips out on me for wanting sex and i mean damn good sex but he just couldn't musterup the stamina but he would down for head. I love.him but i can't stand him. My eyes are being opened. Guess im taking the.long way home. I know hes bad for me but.i cant let go.

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  90. I am currently with a sociopath. He told me very quickly In our relationship and that He was married. We have been sleeping together over a year now and I question his motives constantly
    After reading all these comments I guess there is no point to it. He has told me he loves me and that he is attracted to me BC I am the opposite of him. I am always happy and laughing
    And he finds the world to be horrible and out to get him. Sex wise I am a freak and I guess he likes that. I have strong feelings for him and dont know what to do now
    Do sociopaths ever want to keep the same person around? I can tell he loves his children is that normal? And he doesn't seem to lead me into thinking hes anything but what he is. He offends almost everybody and has a strong work ethic. Questioning myself




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