Monday, October 18, 2010

Sociopaths in science

Some articles related to sociopathy:

A "Wired" study of monkey's brains implying a possibly physical basis for empathy:
Our brain divides space into at least two major sectors — one in which we can do things, in which we can act, and one in which we can’t," explained Marco Iacoboni, who studies the human mirror neuron system at the University of California at Los Angeles. "Our cognition, even fairly complex stuff like empathy, seems grounded in our body.
From a recent NYT article on the death of biologist George C. Williams:

Dr. Williams pursued his ideas even to results that he found disturbing. “He concluded that anything shaped by natural selection was inevitably evil because selfish organisms outproduced those that weren’t selfish,” Dr. Nesse said.

Dr. Williams acknowledged that people had moral instincts that overcome evil. But he had no patience with biologists who argue that these instincts could have been brought into being by natural selection.

“I account for morality as an accidental capability produced, in its boundless stupidity, by a biological process that is normally opposed to the expression of such a capability,” Dr. Williams wrote starkly in 1988.
Dr. Williams sounds like he was a sensible man.

174 comments:

  1. Truly depressing and tragic if this is the envitable evolution of the human world.

    Particularly bleak for those who are weak, inarticulate, incapable of adapting or objectively challenged.

    It would be..
    the dawn of the new order where ethics have shifted so that the naturally "good" inclined who wish, and have the wits to live a full life, will have to observe, mimic and adopt the pathos of the "evil" and learn how to effectively hide their natural intuition and tendencies just to survive, attract worthy mates and be gainfully employed and socialized.

    Hang on! Isn't it this already happening now??

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  2. Here's another article. This one has some funny bits.

    Scientists discover moral compass in the brain which can be controlled by magnets

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1262074/Scientists-discover-moral-compass-brain-controlled-magnets.html

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  3. Gagglishiss, bleak is in the eye of the beholder. Like everything else. It is not obvious to me, for instance, that people have to 'adopt the pathos of evil', as you so melodramatically put it, in order to survive. Human society, at large (at least in the West) is nowhere near as 'brutish' as it once was. Be grateful.

    Life is what it is. We call it fair and unfair, good and evil. Life doesn't give a damn what we label it, either way. It just keeps on doing what it does. How you respond to the vicissitudes of life is what determines adaptive strength, not how you whine about it.

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  4. a world full of sociopaths? who would bring them up to maturity but the non-sociopaths? i can't understand why sociopaths would wanna mate with their ilk for that reason.
    amongst higher animal species, including humans, there has always been a minority of about 15-20% that are neurologically sensitive, 'the empaths'. it has always been that same percentage and it has not decreased. they serve a purpose, as do sociopaths. yes they are self-sacrificing, and i feel that they are the necessary, unfortunate matyrs of this world. by the by, the more developed world has less tolerance for sociopathy, why else do sociopaths have to wear masks? empaths have to compromise too, and wear a 'tougher' guise, the middle way is always easiest. but i believe that its the extremes, the sociopaths and empaths, that are responsible for the fastest/most revolutionary developments in our species. they just do it differently. through intense procreation, or intense nurturing.

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  5. sociopaths choose sensitive types to mate with for a reason. balance. it's quite funny/fitting that you'd applaud the sentiment that sociopaths are the definitive 'type'. there is no definitive type. and there is no perfect anything, just sub-groups that serve some function. no man is everything. sadly.

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  6. Any scientist who ignores the precedents set by other pack/hive/herd creatures is an imbecile. Bees, ants, and the like, didn't become selfless drones by chance. There's a reason why people are afraid to disturb a wasp's nest, and it's not because they'll all book for the nearest exist to make sure they're not the one to get killed. They're a perfect example (along with the cells in all multicelled organisms) of how a swarm of self sacrificing life forms is inherently superior to one selfish individual. To say that natural selection could not have produced morality or empathy is paramount to sticking your head inside of an electrical arc and calling yourself Jesus.

    Speaking of Jesus, I bet this 'tard believed that the only way empathy and such could've formed was through God's infinite grace, wisdom, and kindness. How about, 50 individuals blindly dedicated to a single cause > 50 individuals covering their own asses? Makes more sense to me. It also made more sense to the single celled organisms who were one day born with the crazy biological directive to work together and conquer the world, produce animals like human beings, fly to the moon, etc.

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  7. DoDoBird, I think you are grossly mistaken and oversimplifying the reality of "life" whatever that means to you.

    If you are implying that it should be obvious to all and sundry that the platform (of the total human race) is neutral and that we never should negotiate, whine and act-on about whats good or bad about it.

    It is precisely that we accuse and argue about whats "right", pay huge prices for misquided notions and whats "not right" which makes it - as you so "gratefully" put it,- pay some attention to try and not be quite so "brutish".

    Unfortunately even on this I beg to differ. The only difference I see now is the sophistication of the masks over the brute. There is absolutely nothing to be gratefull and everything to fear.

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  8. Life isn't made up of such simple rules as "only selfish survive" or "only groups survive." Reality is a little more complicated than that. Whatever works, works, and whether that includes lone predators or dedicated armies is irrelevant. If the guy truly meant what he said, then, again, he was an imbecile.

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  9. Gagbot, if you are saying that moral discourse involving those in leadership positions is one of the reasons why society isn’t as ‘brutish’ as it once was… ok. You may have a point there.

    I’ll add that my previous comments reflect my own inner disposition. If you are not a decision maker or mass opinion shaper, I don’t see the point of complaining about society's 'evils'. That does indeed sound like so much whining to my ears. I say, if you really give a damn, get involved in the process. Take action. Become a decision maker/opinion shaper. Otherwise, the moralizing is useless. I’d also add that moralizing divorced from empirical results is still useless, even at the leadership level.

    As for you being ungrateful… well that’s your business. Something tells me tho that if you could travel back in time, say back to the Dark Ages, live there for 30 days, then come back (if you survived, that is), you’d feel differently about modern society.

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  10. "I’d also add that moralizing divorced from empirical results is still useless, even at the leadership level."

    I can see its always about the numbers and power positions for u eh Dodo?

    Should I appreciate how easy it would be for you to bomb my country out of existence because u control the modern means and resources to make/shape everybody's opinion in your favour?

    Thanks I'll rather take my chance in the Dark Ages whatever the consequences.

    Btw before u feel compelled to share more vomit on the exclusivity and wisdom of decision makers or mass opinion shapers as the only agents of enlightenment and progress for the masses.

    I wonder who was the leader of the dodos? Sorry lame joke and completely irelevant..

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  11. Although Peter occasionally trolls this board with utter nonsense, on this subject he does have a point; one that is worth considering.

    It seems rather presumptuous to assume that one end of any extreme is better than the other.

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  12. Gag Scallywag said, I can see its always about the numbers and power positions for u eh Dodo?

    Well… in one sense yes. Discussing ideas is a fine way to pass the time, but in the end, who gives a damn if you can’t tie them to real world results? Results are what matter. Those in power tend to have more say in shaping results. I didn’t write it that way. That’s just how things panned out in our civilization.

    Should I appreciate how easy it would be for you to bomb my country out of existence because u control the modern means and resources to make/shape everybody's opinion in your favour?

    Nope. You ‘should’ do what you can to get what you want rather than waste mental energy bleating about the evils of the empire. No one gives a damn about you thinking that life is unfair. What they will care about is what you do in response to the perceived unfairness.

    Btw, we would never bomb your country out of existence! Which country would that be anyway?

    Thanks I'll rather take my chance in the Dark Ages whatever the consequences.

    Spoken like a historical illiterate.

    Btw before u feel compelled to share more vomit on the exclusivity and wisdom of decision makers or mass opinion shapers as the only agents of enlightenment and progress for the masses.

    Ah ah ah, I never said the club was exclusive. Anybody, at least in the West, with intelligence, the willingness to put in the work, chutzpah and a little luck, can be an opinion shaper on a mass scale.

    I wonder who was the leader of the dodos? Sorry lame joke and completely irelevant..

    You’re right. Totally lame. But still, good effort.

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  13. Dodo I'm still fixated on the "be gratefull" comment you made. I keep reading it as "be carefull"

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  14. Why are you here, GagReflex? What brings someone like you to a blog called sociopathworld?

    Your words have the ring of an older person trying to hold onto the idealism of your younger days and not quite succeeding.

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  15. To see what u guys were celebrating and admiring in each other.

    What about you? DoDO - wise leader of the masses.

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  16. GagReflex said, To see what u guys were celebrating and admiring in each other.

    Why? Why would you want to see that? And from what part of the world do you and your curiosity spring from?

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  17. GagReflex, what did you do? Did you do an internet search for "What Sociopaths celebrate and admire in each other" and it pointed you here?

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  18. George Williams sounds like he was a fairly awful scientist, if that was his attitude. It's a bit off-putting that a biologist, of all people, would view evolved characteristics as "evil". That said, I think I'll just chalk it up to kookery on his part. After all, he wouldn't say that bipedalism or that whole "multicellular organism" thing are evil... would he?

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  19. DangerBird says;
    Ah ah ah, I never said the club was exclusive. Anybody, at least in the West, with intelligence, the willingness to put in the work, chutzpah and a little luck, can be an opinion shaper on a mass scale.

    So u do believe in something that u think should be believed and practiced by everybody. OMG sounds a little like a "Morals"!!

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  20. Gagmewithaspoon, let's go back to you answering my questions first love. Then I'll move on to answering whether or not I have a moral compass.

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  21. Doesn't matter Bird-Dick. Good Luck with your Moral Compass. Hope it works for you.

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  22. ^About time you got to a dick reference!

    Anyway Gaggedbyabigdick, life can indeed be cruel. Sometimes the country with the biggest guns and people with the most money win in the end. Even more shocking, you and your morals are as insignificant as you suspect they are and all your passive aggressive indignation is as fleeting and ineffectual as words screamed in a wind storm. I know, I know. It just aint right, is it? But there you have it. Reality is what it is. Make friends with it. It's not so bad. I promise!

    Good luck with holding onto your moral compass, such as it is, my child. Hope it helps you feel better. I mean, if it doesn't, if you are reduced to leaving muddled comments on a blog like this, what the hell is your compass good for?

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  23. Lol! what was that little-birdy-Dick?!

    Is that some kinda hard-love preaching? Is it Poetry? Or some kinda Psycho babble? Sure is meaningful - for you.

    and thanks for the big dick compliment.

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  24. You lack both intelligence and imagination Gaggles. Nothing wrong with that, mind you. It's just so... average. Ah well.

    Btw, who said anything about you having a big dick? Don't mistake your hard on for your intellectual superiors (hence your presence here) for a big dick. In any event, if you take the dick out of your mouth the whole gagging thing will stop and you might be able to communicate in something other than disjointed English and non-sequiturs.

    And on that classy note, I say good day. I SAID GOOD DAY!!!

    ;-)

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  25. Let me see if I get what u trying to preach;

    First u say life is what u make it to be with hard rocks, intelligenitals, box of chocolates and some lame ducks.

    Now you say it all boils down to being cruel indeed with lotsa guns and bombs and money and big soldiers to defeat word screaming enemies in the windy storm..

    Consistency isn't one of your strong points is it, Dan?

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  26. I think he said good day.

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  27. @GagReflex none of this is news. We have always know that electromagnetic force can distort a persons brainwaves and disrupt thinking. There are rumors of non lethal weapons based on that.

    As to "good" and "evil" theres really just nature, and in nature the strong/smart survive longer and emotion has nothing to do with it. In humanity the rich and powerful survive longer and intelligence or emotion have nothing to do with it.

    If you want to live, get rich. If you want to be free, make money. Essentially it's get rich or die trying.

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  28. @Anonymous Sociopaths don't choose who to mate with, it's sensitive types who are choosing sociopaths. Nobody forces you to mate with the sociopath. Nobody forces you to mate. Nobody forces the sociopath to mate either. So stop playing the victim. If you don't want to mate with a sociopath you don't have to.

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  29. @Peterpan it's really quite simple, humanity would not have survived to make it this far if not for empathy. If we look at the neanderthal,cromagnon and other prehuman species, they probably did not have empathy and thats precisely why they died out.

    The humans who had empathy formed families, hunted in packs, developed languages, cultures, to protect their packs and families, conjured societies and civilizations. So no it's never going to be a situation where a species like ours could survive for a long period of time if we were all psychopaths, we'd last about as long as the other pre-human species did, which probably wouldn't be very long at all.

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  30. How you respond to the vicissitudes of life is what determines adaptive strength, not how you whine about it.

    Worth repeating.

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  31. George Williams sounds like he was a fairly awful scientist, if that was his attitude. It's a bit off-putting that a biologist, of all people, would view evolved characteristics as "evil". That said, I think I'll just chalk it up to kookery on his part.


    I dunno. Seems to me when he says "evil" he just means nature. Not so much a value judgment.

    The only real value judgment I take from the quote is that he sees morality as stupid and and as a fluke.

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  32. Medusa said...
    I dunno. Seems to me when he says "evil" he just means nature. Not so much a value judgment.
    ,

    damn selfish, evil rabbits breed like crazy. mosquitoes too, selfish little Kamikaze sociopaths. can't stand their evil ways. and don't even get me started about the cockroaches...they have no respect! but of all god's creatures it's the viruses that are the most selfish and evil. why they're so small you can't even see them! they will even hide in your body, yuk. at least the cockroaches don't do that, well except they will crawl in your ear now and then and get stuck, but that's stupidity, not selfishness. but back to the viruses. they're absolutely everywhere. technically they're not even alive, but how they multiply! the undead viruses have got to be pure evil sent to us directly form hell by satan himself.

    from the article...
    "Dr. Williams pursued his ideas even to results that he found disturbing


    this is funny.

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  33. Neanderthals lived in complex social groups. They formed families, hunted in packs and if I'm not mistaken, even developed their own language. The reason they died out is most likely because they were eventually replaced by more advanced, modern humans, which ties in to what this guy Dr williams is saying about natural selection. If you think about it, most predatorial animals are psychopathic and they seem to be able to work together in groups. If all humans were psychopathic we probably would have the ability to co-exist, just so long as most individual human beings see something personaly beneficial in doing so.

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  34. If all humans were psychopathic we probably would have the ability to co-exist, just so long as most individual human beings see something personaly beneficial in doing so.

    Actually, sometimes I think that this is already the case.

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  35. basically human, i agree with your last statement.

    but by his logic anything shaped by natural selection exists because it was more selfish or evil than what it replaced. the problem with this is saying someone or something is selfish implies they have a choice.

    he's projecting human concepts on life forms that do not have an ability to grasp such concepts. someone isn't selfish until we judge them to be selfish, and the expectation is that they shouldn't be and can change their behaviour. until a cockroach is able to share its food with me or defend the allegation i wouldn't call it selfish.

    also, he's projecting human concepts based on his religion and the society within which he was raised. what i want to know is what the buddhist cockroach has to say about selfishness.

    finally, he claims morality was an accident. you could say the same thing for our ability to create music and art, or speak. where is the proof?

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  36. No proof. There's no proof of anything, except in the pudding. It's all ideas. Most everything we talk about here is just ideas.

    The Dr.'s choice of terms are anthropomorphic, sure, but I like to see it as him trying to say that "hey, humans aren't necessarily born to be naturally all goodness and light and unselfish and magnanimous, that's a man-made fallacy."

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  37. @ savagelight

    no where in my comment did i say i was a victim.
    secondly, are sociopaths totally indiscriminate in who they go for?
    doubt it. are you saying they are utterly senseless?

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  38. Dr williams opinions do seem pretty ridiculous in terms of most orgasms. I linked him specifically to modern humans replacing neanderthals because it's possible that these humans actually committed genocide, in which case their actions could be considered as selfish and evil. I agree with what you said at 4:46 Medusa, we're all in it for ourselves no matter what we may say.

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  39. I fully agree. His opinions on orgasms are patently ridiculous.

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  40. It sure as hell was an accident. That is, I mean consciousness. Morality is arguably what has lead us to the point of such. Not that moral skepticism isn't completely necessary in today's day and age.

    read my comment I left back on the topic I wanna refer my opinion to:
    http://www.sociopathworld.com/2010/08/psychopath-problem.html

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  41. To find the poster above (me)
    I'm October 18, 2010 7:14 PM and October 18, 2010 7:25 PM

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  42. SavageLight;

    "@GagReflex none of this is news. We have always know that electromagnetic force can distort a persons brainwaves and disrupt thinking."

    Article was an April Fools Joke.

    "As to "good" and "evil" theres really just nature, and in nature the strong/smart survive longer and emotion has nothing to do with it."

    No disagreement here

    "In humanity the rich and powerful survive longer and intelligence or emotion have nothing to do with it."

    from motivational books?

    "If you want to live, get rich. If you want to be free, make money. Essentially it's get rich or die trying."

    ditto.

    Damn, where's the new info?

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  43. Mr./Ms. GagMeWithASpoon, pick an opinion already.

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  44. @no one: I hope it's that simple. Otherwise BH completely misread the article.

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  45. Dammit. Just noticed Daniel already did the "Gagmewithaspoon". For fuck's sake; I thought I was so clever.

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  46. Medusa,

    I mean this. Don't waste any more space and energy. This has gone on long enough with Bird-Dick. Your choice.

    I humbly retract my previous respond to SavageLight. He was just sincerely expressing his deep believes and I was being over defensive. Happy?

    May we always have interesting posts hereafter.... I hope

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  47. All I can say to that is LOL.

    You're trying much too hard.

    This is the only site where I have ever in my life LOL'ed.

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  48. Medusa said...
    "Dammit. Just noticed Daniel already did the "Gagmewithaspoon". For fuck's sake; I thought I was so clever."

    Well, ffs, I still think you're clever, Medusa.

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  49. @no one: I hope it's that simple. Otherwise BH completely misread the article.

    Or, only BH was able to catch on to the subliminal message that neanderthals committed genocide through orgasms.

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  50. No One said, "neanderthals committed genocide through orgasms."

    I've gotten a sharp headache from orgasm a couple of times ;)

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  51. U guys taking shifts just for this?

    I retract this respond to Daniel Birdick;

    "GagReflex said, To see what u guys were celebrating and admiring in each other.

    Why? Why would you want to see that? And from what part of the world do you and your curiosity spring from?"

    As with others here I'm sure, my interest in mind boundaries and connectivty to our bodies and emotions is geniune. There's a wealth of gut reactions and processing on topics posted here(mine included)that I could never grasp from just reading PCL-R or other references. And YES, I do understand objectivity and gut reactions are just what they are..

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  52. "ff"

    I do not know what this means. Final Fantasy? Fast Forward? Freedom Fighters? #Follow Friday? Fantastic Fuck?

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  53. Young grasshopper, your orgasm is not strong.

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  54. As with others here I'm sure, my interest in mind boundaries and connectivty to our bodies and emotions is geniune. There's a wealth of gut reactions and processing on topics posted here(mine included)that I could never grasp from just reading PCL-R or other references.

    It's great you have these interests, but so far it's seems like you aren't really interested in learning about them. Just regurgitating what you think you already know.

    Also, you sound a bit like a narcissist. Or very young.

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  55. I'm not sure there was ever a time that humans or our predecessors were ever purely sociopaths or purely empaths. Sociopaths, in my opinion, could have been key to survival in the tribe/pack setting. Within close-quarters and constant interaction, animals such as us develop very strong bonds. There had to someone capable of making the tough decisions for the survival of the pack where emotions would be detrimental to overall survival, such as having to relocate when someone was injured or debilitated, or someone murdering a fellow pack member that needed to be put down. There had to be some Alpha/Chief that could just go, "Eff this noise, you're toast."

    I'm hardly suggesting an empath would be incapable of this, simply that it would be a Lot easier for a sociopath to rise to the occasion and take care of business. I think that's why a lot of sociopaths are capable leaders. Analyzing and calculating situations are at the forefront, not worrying about hurting someone's feelings (usually).

    I'm personally of the viewpoint that we work well off each other. There might be an evolutionary reason why we're capable inter-species predators, having an uncanny ability to detect threats and weaknesses in individuals and situations. This is purely theory based off some things I've read, but it seems somewhat logical.

    You do have to realize though, that to us, empaths are just as scary and weird as we are to you. Instead of viewing us an an imminent threat, think of us as a sub-type personality that greatly benefited the survival of our species. Nothing's perfect, not even us.

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  56. Medusa, I said "ffs", not "ff". I repeated what you said: for fuck's sake.

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  57. Ahhh. I got it. I've seen "ffs" around here a few times, but never figured it out.

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  58. Medusa, lol; it took me a while to figure it out, as it's not a phrase I use.

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  59. TNP, I've got nothing to add, but that was a very sane comment.

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  60. Coffeee spaz time, sorry.

    There's a wealth of gut reactions and processing on topics posted here

    Actually there are very few gut reactions here from sociopaths in my experience. The only "gut reactions" I see are towards those who say idiotic things or are naive fools, and many of those reactions have a point.

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  61. GagReflex, a "gut reaction" is an emotional response, so I doubt that's being gotten from the sociopaths.

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  62. I am what I am. Am not one for comfortable draconian labels and categories.. There's another gut reaction. Should I apologise?

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  63. What the fuck are you responding to or talking about? Why are you answering questions that no one has asked?

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  64. Also, I'm not convinced that you know what "draconian" even means. Especially since you have proceeded it with the word "comfortable".

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  65. I wouldn't take GagReflex too seriously. I think it's one of the regulars yanking everybody's chain.

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  66. Hey! Over here Medusa!

    "Comfortable" as in "comfort within the confines of..."

    Responding to this from Medusa said;

    "There's a wealth of gut reactions and processing on topics posted here

    Actually there are very few gut reactions here from sociopaths in my experience. The only "gut reactions" I see are towards those who say idiotic things or are naive fools, and many of those reactions have a point.

    Do you u have an obsession with using me to exorcise some kind of angst here Medusa? Nothing wrong with that tho..

    Btw, there was an episode on Discovery - Science that was looking into how everthing is actually an EMOTIONAL respond in some form or another including our
    reptilian survival decisions. Somebody here should help me research which episode this was. cos I can't remember.

    Anyway I do see some point of that, being what the Mass Media, Politicians, Army Recruitment officers are hugely counting on.

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  67. One of the first things GagReflex said was about squatting on bamboo over a running stream. Then they mentioned several times how the water supply was limited in their country...but there's an internet connection?

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  68. @Medusa: My gratitude.

    Humility for the sake of humility does seem a bit odd, but humility for the sake of practicality is right up my alley.

    For the people who are 'shocked' about a lot of the abrasive and sadistic commentary, take this into consideration. This blog is one of the few places available on the internet where we can just be who we are, lay back, take a drag off the last day's cigarette and enjoy ourselves, and a place where most of us not only understand, but know all too well. There's a lot going on upstairs with sociopaths, day in and day out, and it isn't often we are accorded the luxury of speaking our mind and desires. I, thankfully, have a fellow sociopath that I work with, and we talk about a lot of how we actually perceive and think about situations, people, and general life. Some of the people who come here simply don't, and need an outlet.

    We have a 'dark' side that no amount of society imposed guilt can make us feel bad about. M.E. thankfully has utilized this website to give a Point of View that virtually all sociopaths can understand, from the points of keen insight and thought processes to our darkest desires, to even more interesting grey areas such as Love and our sometimes shallow and fleeting emotions that we rarely experience, but sometimes do.

    It's sort of therapy. A lot of us grew up with this unambiguous, rigid, empath-central society that expects a person to feel a certain way, convictions, et cetera. We don't. We learn what is right and wrong, and good on society for teaching us. Being a dick is fun, but being dicked around usually isn't. Just because we don't feel everything you do, doesn't mean we can't understand it or be capable of fitting in.

    If we couldn't, we'd all be walking around with the mark of Cain on our foreheads for all to see, not invisible to the naked eye. You should be flattered that some of us have decided to conform to your social standards and norms in our actions. Those who don't, well, they're usually the ones in Prison, the ones you should be scared of.

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  69. I give up. You are hopeless and it's no longer worth the effort.

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  70. ^ My last comment was for GagaGimmick, in case that wasn't clear.

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  71. Aerianne said; (this one's a winner)

    "One of the first things GagReflex said was about squatting on bamboo over a running stream. Then they mentioned several times how the water supply was limited in their country...but there's an internet connection?"

    Yaaaawwwwn....Yes Guys.. There are non city places with internet.Do your farms have internet? I own a piece of rainforest and a beach. And you bitch about everybody's elses(who doesn't abide to your tribal rituals)lack of intelligence and imagination.

    Just to put the issue to rest I was serious about Dicky's challenge. We have still have lotsa Dark Ages like places and communities here that I can live with for a coupla months.

    No wonder some of u are so comfortable within the confines of your nitty picky labels, categories and - what I don't understand or can't define means it's stupid attitudes - I mean thats ok if it your thing, but whats the fucking point already?

    Medusa said...
    "I give up. You are hopeless and it's no longer worth the effort."

    Presuming that was for me...
    Haven't you paid any attention Medusa? I already asked you to stop this many posts ago.

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  72. I have a feeling that Gag is simply capitalizing on one of our conditioned weaknesses.

    Investing and 'caring' in how other people perceive us. After all, we spend a lot of our time making sure we're seen in a good or at least tolerable light to most people. I'm not sure if irony is the word here, but in a way, we're most susceptible to troll, and most susceptible to reacting to a troll, on sort of an instinctual level to justify and explain ourselves, as we often have to do if we're caught acting the way we really feel during an inappropriate time.

    There's not much to fear with poking a digital hornet's nest.

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  73. I still think you're full of shit, GagReflex.

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  74. Medusa - draconian befits you. OMG! Totally!

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  75. Aerianne, easy with the emotions.
    I have more of it than you.

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  76. Lets take a poll;

    Whats drive behind my posts back to all the derogatory remarks?
    A - Feeling Hurt
    B - Lacking sense of humour
    C - Sharing a really good point
    D - Talking to myself

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  77. Haven't you paid any attention Medusa? I already asked you to stop this many posts ago.

    Oh, well in that case, I'll keep posting.

    No wonder some of u are so comfortable within the confines of your nitty picky labels, categories and - what I don't understand or can't define means it's stupid attitudes - I mean thats ok if it your thing, but whats the fucking point already?

    RadioGag, tell me, who here has labeled and/or categorized themselves? Name names.

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  78. Are you not a gut reaction, Gag? How far has your idealism gotten you? How long will you last in the real world once your face gets ripped away from your silly books on humanity? Wikipedia idealism, now I've seen everything. You know it used to be that you would suffer before you cried out, but now we have people like you to cry for everyone in a worse situation than you are.
    You are no different than any of the above. Your bored. You've been bored. Only instead of indulging yourself in the greatness of life, you choose to drown yourself in the sorrow of others. I pitty you.
    This has been a fifty comment arguement about nothing. Moral compass? Who cares. What sociopath has a moral compass? So why even talk about it? Next we can talk to fish about jogging.
    Gag you are the same as a neighbor down the street from me. He's a arguer and a one upper. We all know the type. The one that sits around any conversation and contradicts people, because that's the only way they can get attention. I'm completely surprised anyone responded to any of your questions, because when I saw your first comment I already had you fingered for a nutter. Briefly I think I saw one smart sentence, which shows you might actually achieve intelligence one day. Potential aside I, for one, know your a bloody muppet. It's completely pointless questions with your own answers already tacked on.
    Let me give you a open ended question so you have a example: Why argue morality with sociopaths

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  79. Whats drive behind my posts back to all the derogatory remarks?

    English, please.

    Also, how come UKan is suspiciously absent?

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  80. Speak of the devil. Literally.

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  81. ^ nevermind the last comment. Still spazzed, scrolling problem.

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  82. You guys..., I have no more say for now...Have to get ready to attend a funeral.

    Peace!

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  83. I hope you aren't claustrophobic.

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  84. My condolences. I think.

    Ah, what the hell, I gave it a try, at least.

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  85. Intelligence, imagination and emotions...I'm going to miss that one.

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  86. I'm suspicously absent because I'm not susceptible to a troll.
    Why would someone have a conversation with this muppet. Half of what he says is incoherent. Eskimoe rapists and moral compass laser weapons. I found the more I read the dumber I felt, so I stopped. Who would argue morality with a sociopath?
    I found it ironic that Gag talked about gut reactions. His entire belief system is reactionary. Emotional reactions and beliefs based on situations he's outside of.
    No matter how much inside you try to get Gag you will never be one of the downtrodden. You are a outsider, and always will be. No matter how much you care they will still be stepped on, and you will be powerless against the Mass Media, Politicians, and Army Recruiters. Your idealism is a laugh. It's pathetic.

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  87. I found it ironic that Gag talked about gut reactions. His entire belief system is reactionary. Emotional reactions and beliefs based on situations he's outside of.

    This was my observation as well.

    I haven't been paying much attention lately so I didn't realize you already had a conversation with this Gaggle.

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  88. UKan said...

    Half of what he says is incoherent.
    - Eskimoe rapists and moral compass laser weapons-.
    I found the more I read the dumber I felt, so I stopped."

    WTF! really? I said that?? Get someone to teach u to read properly first UKan. You don't need any help from me in the dumb department.

    That came from deep within my belief system.

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  89. How can I read properly something that's written so scatter brained. Many people have asked you if you speak fluent english. This is why.
    So tell me you belief system, and why it matters. Also explain to me how you got the idea that argueing morality with sociopaths is not pissing in the wind.

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  90. For the whole orgasms thing way back there, I meant to say organisms, stupid typo.

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  91. Ukan

    Had some time to think during the funeral. It was a necessary break after a whole night exchanging insults with people coming online one after another.

    I realise now, being the stranger here, no matter who take a piss or distort any post, just have to not respond. Kinda like being the bait among a pack of sharks taking turns. Know what I mean? I could've not used any identity but I didn't. That would've been the easy way.

    Just ignore the comments made to you before. Nothing to tell or explain to you or anyone else here. Not now.

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  92. It's interesting how much the subject of evolution comes up here. Like most square pegs (I am one), I suspect sociopaths attempt to both explain and justify their existence, so it is not surprising that the sociopath feels (or at least thinks) that their kind is an integral part of the survival of the human species.

    However, I would suggest that sociopathy is not a trait that is evolutionary advantageous, but is in fact an instinctual form of self preservation in a human society that is NOT evolving but rather has in relatively recent years (evolutionary speaking)devolved into a lower, more chaotic form that presents a serious threat not only to many of its members but to the very species itself, like some kind of self-inflicted virus.

    In recent years more scientists have been investigating the negative effects that our relatively new switch to an agriculture based civilization is having on us; (a good example is the book "Pandora's Seed").

    Perhaps sociopaths start life out out as the most sensitive of all human creatures, but rather than perish from their early psychic wounds, they somehow developed an impenetrable shell that blocks out all emotions, including their own.

    If true, then all of us as a species are responsible for creating sociopaths by our own damaged existence resulting from having turned away from our original nature.

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  93. GagReflex, it took you a whole night to figure this out? And I know this is getting old now but, Is English a second language to you?

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  94. anonymous said...
    Perhaps sociopaths start life out out as the most sensitive of all human creatures, but rather than perish from their early psychic wounds, they somehow developed an impenetrable shell that blocks out all emotions, including their own.


    like canaries in a coal mine.. good point anonymous.

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  95. yah i wondered about the english too, but i'm leaning toward scatter brained.

    gag, you take delight in the trolling as if you think you're scoring points by being the current favourite chew toy. what is it you have to say? surely there is something?

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  96. to anonymous: i am an ultra empath and was born this way. no amount of environmental influence has changed the fact i am ultra empathetic beyond my own control. my neurological receptors can never be trained to receive stimuli differently. in other words, why did i not become a sociopath? i can behave selfishly and in sociopathic ways, but i'll never actually be one. triggers for sociopathy and triggers for ultra-empathy are in our environments for sure, and all that means is that it is asserting what the person was born with.

    'they somehow developed an impenetrable shell that blocks out all emotions'

    i disagree. rather, it is called being evolutionarily finely tuned to perform a specific function, and emotion is redundent to this function, hence they aren't born with a typical emotional breadth.

    'perhaps sociopaths start life out as the most sensitive of all human creatures'

    only in the sense that they are the most sensitively designed to do what they do, namely, be a sociopath. compassion for them is just not there cos it doesn't serve what they are best at (good for).

    'If true, then all of us as a species are responsible for creating sociopaths by our own damaged existence resulting from having turned away form our original nature.'

    what original nature? you seem to suggest sociopaths are a bad thing rather than just another thing. you are projecting your own capacity for full emotion onto sociopaths.
    it is not a choice, and life alters nothing in the way someone is neurologically designed.

    i chuckle at this 'sociopaths were possibly sensitive at a young age and then something changed.' an unprovable woolly supposition. the word is not sensitive, but immature. they were immature young sociopaths and like every one else took a little while to get into full gear.

    stop with the NURTURE stuff. the environment provides the TRIGGER but the gun's already very much loaded beforehand.

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  97. Ooh, I like this one. I hope they shed the mask of anonymity. We could do with a little more thinking around here.

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  98. Could conditioning help a person with Bipolar Personality Disorder (BPD)to "evolve" some capacity to grasp/navigate through the minefield and subtleties of today's social dynamics?

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  99. Its ok Zoe, need to work off the baby fat here..

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  100. Postmodern sociopath.
    ooh is that a compliment? stop it i'm blushing. or is it sarcasm? do you do sarcasm?

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  101. I crave attention.

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  102. Anon @ 9:47 AM said,
    "you seem to suggest sociopaths are a bad thing rather than just another thing."

    I like that line.

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  103. GagReflex said,
    "I crave attention."

    Is that what you're here for?

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  104. I like the idea of personality variation not being an unnatural oddity but rather a mutation, similar to other 'disorders', as we (Sociopaths/Psychopaths) are hardly the only ones.

    Though one does wonder how the Narcissist could have managed to live this long without a sociopath shutting them up for good, back in the Good Old (pre-civilization) Days. :P

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  105. The line just made me chuckle because it reminded me of, "You say 'Bitch' like it's a bad thing!".
    Seriously, I can't say that I consider Sociopathy to be "bad" thing. Sure, their may be impulses that wouldn't be desirable to act on; but that holds true for more disorders than Sociopathy.

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  106. Aerianne said...
    GagReflex said,
    "I crave attention."

    Is that what you're here for?


    NICE TRY!!

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  107. I didn't think GagReflex was seeking attention, but probably just seeking stimulating conversation.

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  108. GagReflex, Medusa, Ukan, Daniel Birdick, SavagelightOctober 19, 2010 at 8:35 PM

    Here's a cost/benefit question;

    Who has more to lose if we take it to this level? Would you REALLY like to see your posts/persona reduced to gibberish/babbling fools?

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  109. I don't give a shit. Anyone who's worth anything will know the difference. Everyone else can fuck off.

    It's a fucking website. I hardly think there is much at stake.

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  110. Besides, I could always use my blogger sign-in account.

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  111. Medusa said...
    Besides, I could always use my blogger sign-in account.


    So you do care!! We'll see then. If I come across any more fake posts here using my name again, then the FUN begins!

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  112. Did you know that cretinism is the same as hypothyroidism?

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  113. My name comes from the fact that I suck at deep-throating.

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  114. And I usually end up vomiting all over myself.

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  115. GagMeWithASpoon, I doubt if you even know what that means...English please! English!

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  116. Oooh, it's party hour. Time to brew the coffee.

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  117. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish, dude. But go for it.

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  118. Mmmmm. Coffee. Did someone say coffee?

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  119. Coffee indeed.

    But this is turning out to be rather anti-climactic. Where the FUN you promised, Gag?

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  120. I used to be an empath even had..God hate to use that word "Faith". But got tired of being used as a doormat by socios - believing that all human beings had to have at least something good in them. So I read, and I read, and reread everything I could and decided to become one of them..Look at me now! I'm smarter, edgier, people cringe at my intellectual prowess and success....I think!

    GaGByaBigDick you're so disgusting! I hate you!

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  121. Now that's more like it.

    Though I never said I was a sociopath. But hell, whatever.

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  122. My pee smells like poo. and viceversa

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  123. Well, at least I made decaf this time.

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  124. So yeah, just read everything, everything without the words "morality", "right", wrong", "good", "evil", "emotion" Then it one day it creeped up on me..."Its all about the English, the English! hee hee hee! After decoding this exoteric language I began to see the subliminal sociophatic undertone of "Sponge Bob Square Pants". Now I humbly seek your opinion, my esteemed fellows and life coaching mentors ..Do you think I'm ready for "Gummy Bear"?

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  125. Yeah, I only grabbed a small glass of diet soda.

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  126. Yes it is all about the English when we can't understand what the fuck you are ever trying to say or ask.

    Including your last post. I see a 12 step program in your future.

    I've humored your trolling, but it's just such a let-down. You are a UKan wannabe, it's cringing-inducing.

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  127. GagRelex won't ever warrant making real coffee for.

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  128. Aerianne said...
    "I didn't think GagReflex was seeking attention, but probably just seeking stimulating conversation"

    This is the closest by far to a fact. Its not my fault if your targeting sensors are jammed on me.

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  129. Well, Gag, you aren't too good at stimulating conversation, only at trying to getting attention. As we have seen and has been proven. So... work on that, maybe.

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  130. Aerianne said...
    "GagRelex won't ever warrant making real coffee for."

    Yes, my dear Socio Groupies, saving your coffee is indeed a much better idea than taking turns at - who's better at skinning and torturing new strangers - to see who gets to be alpha-socio's bitch for the night.

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  131. Oh, you mean the program you went thru that changed you Medusa? Are u thinking now of switching to ur blogger sign-in account?

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  132. GagReflex, get your terminology strait, please. It's not Socio Groupie. It's not the alpha-socio's bitch for the night. It's Psycho-phant, I phrase I myself coined from the word Sycophant. I have the t-shirt, ffs: "Psycho-phant One". Study some history here if you're going to continue to try to participate.

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  133. to see who gets to be alpha-socio's bitch for the night.

    I've actually made the very same comment before. But then I moved on.

    who's better at skinning and torturing new strangers

    People don't get tortured here "just because", Gag. Only the ones that invite it, get it served to them. It's not a competition, either. At least not for me.

    All you have to do is be respectful and open-minded to get along here. You don't get points for pretending to have balls.

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  134. I like that Aerianne, and the T-shirt as well.

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  135. *A* phrase (for those who go anal over typo's and what-not.)

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  136. Likewise in all directions to all the above.
    Think I'm least likely here to even know how to pretend anything. Btw, I already have real testicles if thats what you meant.

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  137. GagReflex, I haven't changed. I haven't converted to Sociopathism or whatever like some kind of religion. I haven't suddenly become amoral where I wasn't before. I haven't suddenly become "dark". These are not new things in my life.

    Only difference is that I take responsibility for myself, I trust myself, I'm a hell of a lot more aware of shit and bullshit, I'm a hell of a lot more in control, and I feel pretty fucking good about myself overall.

    If having confidence makes me a sociopath, well then okay, I'm proud to wear the label.

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  138. *A* phrase (for those who go anal over typo's and what-not.)

    AERIANNE PLURAL NOUNS DON'T REQUIRE APOSTROPHES!

    kidding around. I'm not that anal.

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  139. Medusa, yeah, wherever else I type conversations with people we just let that kind of thing slide by because we're friends. Here, you never know who wants to rip you a new one on any given day for the littlest things. I know we waste a lot of space here correcting that kind of stuff, but what the hell?!

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  140. Hey, now. I only get annoyed when the failings are egregious. Aerianne's generally proper and clear, so I let things slide. It's when I can't follow the post or it looks like it was written by a six year old that I get up in arms.

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  141. Post, you're not the only School Master that's rapping people on the knuckles for it ;)
    I will admit, my typing goes to hell when it's this late (almost 2:30 a.m., here)and hubs is carrying on a conversation with me from his room while I'm typing.

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  142. Hubs...

    How does he feel about you spending your evenings here and talking about your ex and stuff?

    Do you have separate bedrooms?

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  144. How come you became un-polyamorous?

    I'd think if you weren't having sex and doing the love thing you'd be more polyamorous?

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  146. Good for you Medusa, but keep working on your "control" before you instinctively go off at anyone here who doesn't qualify to your superficial expectations/judgements like you're still trying to exorcise the residual demons from your past. Like it or not, every post/brain burbs here is a reaction. Objective,subjective,logical,intuitive, reasoned, unreasoned whatever. So it's not that obvious to somepeople (me included sometimes) whats perceived as universal for you and likewise. Deal with it.

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  148. GagReflex, we've had this conversation before. What is it about me that so gets your goat?

    I'm willing to take your observations seriously, if you could only make your comments a little bit clearer. What superficial expectations and judgements do you mean?

    So it's not that obvious to somepeople (me included sometimes) whats perceived as universal for you and likewise.

    What are you referring to?

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  149. @Medusa. Don't you sometimes just wanna relax and have some fun? You seriously have a problem if you can't control your auto-reflex of taking semantics to a quark-splitting level and not just simply go with the gist of what people actually meant - like most real/normal folks. Or have you already placed all your bets that "truth" can only be gleaned from precise intellectual wordplays exclusive to your context? Or maybe you just lack practice in being a normal stumbling human being. Go on give it a shot, put down your Derrida for a while; What do you "FEEL" I meant?

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  150. Well, that was uncharacteristically coherent. I'm suddenly interested.

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  151. How can I go with your gist when I don't know what your gist is?

    Also, I think you have joined PMS and me together in your mind somehow.

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  152. just GIVE IT A SHOT Bitch!

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  153. You are so confused. Oh well. Good luck on your next endeavor.

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  154. Like wise, groupie, tea lady of the forum.

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  155. (The Other) AnonymousOctober 20, 2010 at 3:28 AM

    Dear Anonymous aka "Ultra Empath". By this self described label I assume you mean you are a "Highly Sensitive Person". That's fine. I am one too. But that does not mean we should agree.

    Why didn't you become a sociopath? Do you think it is because you do not have it in you to be one? Or will you admit that perhaps it is something far less to do with what you believe is your basic personal makeup, and something far more simple as having being held enough by another human when you were a newborn?

    I've been around long enough to be a personal witness to countless varieties of human coping mechanisms, and by far the most common of these is denial and dissociation. So common are they that almost every single human has at one time denied the truth to themselves or otherwise dissociated themselves from pain. The only difference between these instances is to what extent some go to keep up these false premises. If one's psychic/emotional disturbances run so deep and from such an early age, it is not implausible to me that a complete barrier from one's feelings and those of others could develop, ESPECIALLY if one started out as an "ultra empath" who experiences hurts and emotions far more intensely than others.

    So why aren't you a sociopath? Maybe your mother held you and loved you enough. Or maybe you aren't the most sensitive person that you thought you were. Maybe you had enough natural defenses within that someone even more sensitive than you couldn't deal with. After all, one psychologist said that they really don't know exactly WHAT causes sociopathy, but they went on to say if you wanted to consciously create a sociopath, then a good start would be to simply shuffle a child through at least six foster homes before the age of three.

    As for our "original nature", I refer to our nature as a PART of nature, not as conquerors living above and apart from it. I don't not say sociopaths are a bad thing, I say they are a symptom of a bad thing, that being our insensitive, competitive, exploitative, violent, blah blah blah culture. It is a myth that man is a gentler, more civilized being now than he was in the stone age when people truly collaborated together peacefully, when warfare was almost entirely unknown.


    But unless you are truly interested in an alternative view from that which makes the assumption that evolution is linear and so man and mankind is better now than he has ever been, nothing I could add here would compel you to find examples to the contrary on your own. But just keep this in mind: Neanderthals were once the pinnacle of our species, and they successfully survived FAR longer than we Homo Sapiens have so far. And yet where are they now? No species is above reaching a dead end. Perhaps we have finally reached ours.

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  156. "It is a myth that man is a gentler, more civilized being now than he was in the stone age when people truly collaborated together peacefully, when warfare was almost entirely unknown."

    I would think the "truth" as in for the entirety of the human race, would point more towards something like the earlier part of this statement. Of course the reality would be the opposite for "those" currently benefitting the most - who would stand to lose more from not upholding this myth. Examples; borrowing Daniel Birdick's illustrative caricatures - Hollywood, the Church, Wall Street and (my addition) - the Western Society at large. This is by no means a pronouncement of what I think is true, just an opinion of "reality" that I can relate more to.

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  157. Whoa, you actually said something worthwhile and understandable. There is hope yet.

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  158. Sometimes other people start to come out when the hoods are not on the street.

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  159. Why are we asking ridiculous questions like "Why are we sociopaths?"

    And Gag, if you were in a tribe would you really want to put the sociopath in charge of making the decisions? Sociopaths are no more intelligent and no more rational than anybody else, the lack of empathy does help for roles like law enforcement for example but it's not going to help in instances where there aren't any laws yet as you've described a tribe or whatever.

    If it's a relatively small tribe, like an immediately family, then I can see it working. The bigger it gets the less order you'd have with sociopaths because sociopaths while good at enforcing laws, aren't who you'd want to go to for spiritual enlightenment or religion, or anything like that which is the basis of our legal system.

    If you look at how life is in prison, it basically sucks. Nobody trusts anyone so nobody really likes anyone, and without empaths the main issue that would divide groups of sociopath would be the complete distrust. Why would a sociopath trust another sociopath? Not saying an empath can be trusted but empaths generally have faith in each other, how are sociopaths supposed to trust one another?

    I'm not even going to respond to your troll postings. I think that stuff is pointless.

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  160. Savagelight; am thinking bout your comments, will get to this latter. Gotta go.

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  161. Why are we asking ridiculous questions like "Why are we sociopaths?"

    Aren't we always looking for answers as to why human beings aren't perfect?

    in a tribe would you really want to put the sociopath in charge of making the decisions?_ _ _ _ _ _ but it's not going to help in instances where there aren't any laws yet as you've described a tribe or whatever.

    Hell no! But the choice is hardly exclusively mine(does that sound whiny?).I tend to share your opinion that Sociopaths (I'm beginning to hate that label) or Sociopathy are more prevalent in a closed set or a narrow realm. Likewise for a set that knows it has dominating influence - a world SuperPower for eg. Naturally, under such controlled or contrived conditions, correct observations can be made to enable more precise predictions and subsequent actions or behavior to either dominate or subvert for the power trip, easy advantages,continuance/preservation of privileges etc. Btw, I know tribes do have rules.

    _ _ _ _The bigger it gets the less order you'd have with sociopaths because sociopaths while good at enforcing laws, aren't who you'd want to go to for spiritual enlightenment or religion, or anything like that which is the basis of our legal system.

    The thing is, in such a "bigger" case, I'm more inclined to see a "Hey its party time!" scenario for Socios. Somehow I trust in the baser instinct of intelligent/adaptive animals/beings to always be curious/perverse enough to seek the path of most advantage and push any boundaries that were set by themselves or others. The better at weaving or validating a -Big Picture- out of apparent chaos to everyone else, the more power to you. The last bit in your paragraph requires more thought and I'm not sure whether I have a very clear opinion. Suffice to say I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that a socio could make an awesome priest for some due to his natural objectivity in interpreting narrow doctrines. In fact I think mainstream religions might actually be a juicy platform for sociopathy. Where the neediest or the most ruthless are already primed to believe/justify (having FAITH I think its called) DIVINE ENLIGHTENMENT as the explanation for all situations/actions regardless of how thinly supported or extreme the consequences are.

    If you look at how life is in prison,_ _ _ _ Nobody trusts anyone _ _ _ _without empaths the main issue that would divide groups of sociopath would be the complete distrust. _ _ _ _ _ Not saying an empath can be trusted but empaths generally have faith in each other, how are sociopaths supposed to trust one another?

    No idea what prison life is like (yet?), but can see how reality for some in the "free world" today isn't all that much different. It doesn't take a genius or an uber empath to see the paranoia in what we call the essentials of social survival whether at school, dating, work, international politics.(feel free to debate my crude choice of generalizations and cliches). To frolic on the edge of postulating a false dichotomy to Daniel Birdick's "mutual deception" notion - How would a case for "mutual trust" stand up to the light of day? Sorry if this isn't a conclusive answer at all to your question..

    I'm not even going to respond to your troll postings. I think that stuff is pointless.

    In fact, as much as I've tried to learn and use correct terminology here, its still not obvious what's a troll and how does a troll behave? If seeking to avoid a direct response back at the poster for whatever subjective/personal reasons(for eg. to avoid being the target of torment/ridicule) then yes as with others I have resorted to that on some early occasions. Sometimes it's just for fun...

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  162. Why are we asking ridiculous questions like "Why are we sociopaths?"

    Aren't we always looking for answers as to why human beings aren't perfect?

    in a tribe would you really want to put the sociopath in charge of making the decisions?_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ where there aren't any laws yet as you've described a tribe or whatever.

    Hell no! But the choice is seldom mine exclusively (does that sound whiny?).I tend to share your opinion that Sociopaths (I'm beginning to hate that label) or Sociopathy are more prevalent in a closed set or a narrow realm. Likewise for a set that knows it has dominating influence - a world SuperPower for eg. Naturally, under such controlled or contrived conditions, correct observations can be made to enable more precise predictions and subsequent actions or behavior to either dominate or subvert for the power trip, easy advantages,continuance/preservation of privileges etc. Btw, I know tribes do have rules.

    _ _ _ _The bigger it gets the less order you'd have with sociopaths because sociopaths while good at enforcing laws, aren't who you'd want to go to for spiritual enlightenment or religion, or anything like that

    Thing is, in such a "bigger" case, I'm more inclined to see a "Hey its party time!" scenario for Socios. Somehow I trust in the baser instinct of intelligent/adaptive animals/beings to always be curious/perverse enough to seek the path of most advantage and push any boundaries that were set by themselves or others. The better at weaving or validating a -Big Picture- out of apparent chaos to everyone else, the more power to you. The last bit in your paragraph requires more thought and I'm not sure whether I have a very clear opinion. Suffice to say I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that a socio could make an awesome priest for some due to his natural objectivity in interpreting narrow doctrines. In fact I think mainstream religions might actually be a juicy platform for sociopathy. Where the neediest or the most ruthless are already primed to believe/justify (having FAITH I think its called) DIVINE ENLIGHTENMENT as the explanation for all situations/actions regardless of how thinly supported or extreme the consequences are.

    If you look at how life is in prison,_ _ _ _ Nobody trusts anyone _ _ _ _without empaths the main issue that would divide groups of sociopath would be the complete distrust. _ _ _ _ _ Not saying an empath can be trusted but empaths generally have faith in each other, how are sociopaths supposed to trust one another?

    No idea what prison life is like (yet?), but can see how reality for some in the "free world" today isn't all that different. Doesn't take a genius or an uber empath to see the paranoia in what we call the essentials of social survival whether at school, dating, work, international politics.(Do debate my crude choice of generalizations and cliches). To frolic on the edge of postulating a false dichotomy to Daniel Birdick's "mutual deception" notion - How would a case for "mutual trust" stand up to the light of day? Sorry if this isn't a conclusive answer at all..

    I'm not even going to respond to your troll postings. I think that stuff is pointless.

    In fact, as much as I've tried to learn and use correct terminology here, its still not obvious what a troll is and how does a troll behave? If seeking to avoid a direct response back at the poster for whatever subjective/personal reasons(for eg. to avoid being the target of torment/ridicule) then yes as with others I have resorted to that on some early occasions. Sometimes it's just for fun...

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  163. Daima güncel
    Hd Film izle , Full HD film izle ,
    Tek Part Film izle , Türkçe Dublaj Film izle ,
    Belgesel izle , 3d film izle ve benzeri katagorilerde
    film izleyebileceğiniz en iyi adrestesiniz.En iyi yerli filmlerin hd kalitede bulabileceğiniz ve türkçe dublaj film izleyerek keyifli zaman geçirebileceğiniz bir film sitesi üzerinde çalıştığımızı ve sizler için en iyi aksiyon filmleri izleyebileceğiniz güzel bir site yapmaya çalıştığımızı belirtmek isterim. Kaliteli animasyon filmleri izleyebileceğiniz ve en önemlisi tek part film izleyebileceğiniz bir sistem kurmanın gururunu yaşadığımızın bilincindeyiz. Keyifli zamanlar geçirmeniz dileğiyle.

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