Sunday, February 3, 2013

All the world's a stage

From a reader:
In the "Handbook of Emotions," 3rd edition, chapter 3 (titled "The Sociology of Emotions") one can read under the section "Dramaturgical Approaches:"

"... These studies show how emotions are culturally scripted as to "when" to feel and "how" to express these feelings. Through the socialization process, individuals learn how to associate particular emotion vocabularies with specific eliciting situations, internal sensations, and expressive displays. [...] What makes this approach dramaturgical is that individuals are viewed as acting on a stage configured by social structure in front of an audience (of others). [...] However, individuals are more than dramatic actors manipulating emotions through expressive control in accordance with the feeling and display rules of culture. They are also strategists who present themselves to others, manipulating their forms of talk, role cues, bodies, staging props, and expressive display to their audience to realize their goals. [...] Various cognitive and behavioral strategies are available for managing emotions. [...] Cognitive strategies include invoking thoughts associated with the emotions demanded in the situation to shore up the emotions, using meditation to arouse the emotions dictated by the culture, or psychologically withdrawing from the situation to mask the incongruence between actual feelings and feelings expected in the situation..."

If that is the case, then the difference between neurotypical people and sociopaths seems to be one of degree, not quality.

93 comments:

  1. Ah yes, that's a good way of describing what NTs can do! If you want a more defining example, think of the older times when a young girl/boy would be "schooled" in the right behaviours before they entered society(Western, of course).

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:36 PM

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!
      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      TEEHEE

      Delete
  2. If that is the case, then the difference between neurotypical people and sociopaths seems to be one of degree, not quality.

    degree of awareness?

    awareness of the process would give you the choice to step out of line.

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:36 PM

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Delete
    2. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:41 PM

      This was good stuff, a very intelligent discussion... QM
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      All of us, like all nations, are tested twice in the moral realm: f irst by what we do, then by what we make of what we do. A condition of guilt, a sense of one’s own guilt, denotes a kind of second chance; we are, as if by a kind of grace, given a chance to repay to the living what it is we find ourselves owing to the dead. —Peter Marin, Freedom and Its Discontents
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      anonymous4444February 3, 2013 at 3:40 AM

      I just love this blog and the topics that is being posted everyday. I really don't know in what category I fall. But, I'm very much capable of understanding (though I don't usually empathize) all the types be it the sociopaths, the narcissist, the neurotypicals or the aspie. There are two sides to a coin but there 360 degrees to look at an incident, all it matters is how you look at it.

      This was good stuff, a very intelligent discussion... QM
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      All of us, like all nations, are tested twice in the moral realm: f irst by what we do, then by what we make of what we do. A condition of guilt, a sense of one’s own guilt, denotes a kind of second chance; we are, as if by a kind of grace, given a chance to repay to the living what it is we find ourselves owing to the dead. —Peter Marin, Freedom and Its Discontents
      Reply
      anonymous4444February 3, 2013 at 3:40 AM

      I just love this blog and the topics that is being posted everyday. I really don't know in what category I fall. But, I'm very much capable of understanding (though I don't usually empathize) all the types be it the sociopaths, the narcissist, the neurotypicals or the aspie. There are two sides to a coin but there 360 degrees to look at an incident, all it matters is how you look at it.

      This was good stuff, a very intelligent discussion... QM
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      All of us, like all nations, are tested twice in the moral realm: f irst by what we do, then by what we make of what we do. A condition of guilt, a sense of one’s own guilt, denotes a kind of second chance; we are, as if by a kind of grace, given a chance to repay to the living what it is we find ourselves owing to the dead. —Peter Marin, Freedom and Its Discontents
      Reply
      anonymous4444February 3, 2013 at 3:40 AM

      I just love this blog and the topics that is being posted everyday. I really don't know in what category I fall. But, I'm very much capable of understanding (though I don't usually empathize) all the types be it the sociopaths, the narcissist, the neurotypicals or the aspie. There are two sides to a coin but there 360 degrees to look at an incident, all it matters is how you look at it.

      Delete
  3. I agree with Zoe. It is awareness and reflection that makes the S realize what's going on, while the non-S actually believes in the delusion that all this is real. Friends of mine speak of the inherent kindness of all humans, seemingly completely unaware that everyone engages in pretending and socially sanctioned emotional displays.

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:35 PM

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Delete
  4. Seems to me that S's believe they are the way they are by choice and arrive that way by logical thought yielding awareness of reality as opposed to it having to do with any inherent born brain structure yielding fixed use patterns.

    If this were true, it seems to me that S believes that it may be possible for N to be S or far more S like if they only were more honest with themselves and developed awareness of reality.

    Does S find N vulgar and dishonest?

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:37 PM

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Delete
  5. this view also supports ME's earlier comment that you can go from N to S, but not back. i didn't see why that would be when i first read it, but in terms of awareness it makes sense. you could go to a state of more awareness but never less.

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:37 PM

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Delete
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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:38 PM

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Delete
  7. Everyone here seems a bit deluded.

    If an 'N' isn't very good at being an 'N', might he believe he's an 'S' to relieve the pain of being such a loser 'N'?

    Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts.

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:38 PM

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Delete
  8. I gather you speak from experience H. Lime? Is that why you are here?

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:39 PM

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Delete
  9. So, does S believe that developing true awareness (seeing things as they are, honestly etc) always lead to Sness? Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:39 PM

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Delete
    2. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:39 PM

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Delete
  10. Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

    No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.

    ReplyDelete
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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:35 PM

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

      No, because truth/reality is neither black or white. Even sociopaths/psychopaths can be either self-deluded or mislead into believing false truths. Even then, truth is often times elusive, particularly concerning social truths.
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM

      maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM

      Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

      unbeliever!

      TEEHEE

      Delete
    2. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:42 PM

      This was good stuff, a very intelligent discussion... QM
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      All of us, like all nations, are tested twice in the moral realm: f irst by what we do, then by what we make of what we do. A condition of guilt, a sense of one’s own guilt, denotes a kind of second chance; we are, as if by a kind of grace, given a chance to repay to the living what it is we find ourselves owing to the dead. —Peter Marin, Freedom and Its Discontents
      Reply
      anonymous4444February 3, 2013 at 3:40 AM

      I just love this blog and the topics that is being posted everyday. I really don't know in what category I fall. But, I'm very much capable of understanding (though I don't usually empathize) all the types be it the sociopaths, the narcissist, the neurotypicals or the aspie. There are two sides to a coin but there 360 degrees to look at an incident, all it matters is how you look at it.

      This was good stuff, a very intelligent discussion... QM
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      All of us, like all nations, are tested twice in the moral realm: f irst by what we do, then by what we make of what we do. A condition of guilt, a sense of one’s own guilt, denotes a kind of second chance; we are, as if by a kind of grace, given a chance to repay to the living what it is we find ourselves owing to the dead. —Peter Marin, Freedom and Its Discontents
      Reply
      anonymous4444February 3, 2013 at 3:40 AM

      I just love this blog and the topics that is being posted everyday. I really don't know in what category I fall. But, I'm very much capable of understanding (though I don't usually empathize) all the types be it the sociopaths, the narcissist, the neurotypicals or the aspie. There are two sides to a coin but there 360 degrees to look at an incident, all it matters is how you look at it.

      This was good stuff, a very intelligent discussion... QM
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      All of us, like all nations, are tested twice in the moral realm: f irst by what we do, then by what we make of what we do. A condition of guilt, a sense of one’s own guilt, denotes a kind of second chance; we are, as if by a kind of grace, given a chance to repay to the living what it is we find ourselves owing to the dead. —Peter Marin, Freedom and Its Discontents
      Reply
      anonymous4444February 3, 2013 at 3:40 AM

      I just love this blog and the topics that is being posted everyday. I really don't know in what category I fall. But, I'm very much capable of understanding (though I don't usually empathize) all the types be it the sociopaths, the narcissist, the neurotypicals or the aspie. There are two sides to a coin but there 360 degrees to look at an incident, all it matters is how you look at it.

      Delete
  11. maybe S is a stepping stone to awareness rather than an outcome?

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  12. Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest. You hardly distinguish yourselves by telling a few lies or having some nasty thoughts

    unbeliever!

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  13. So, does S believe that developing true awareness (seeing things as they are, honestly etc) always lead to Sness? Is S the only real/possible outcome of truth/reality?

    Eh. No.

    I'm not a sociopath, yet I'm also quite aware how much pretense and conditioning is involved in social interaction and emotional response.

    Anyone with a brain knows this.

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  14. Aspie say "So, does S believe that...."

    Medusa say "I'm not a sociopath, yet I'm also quite aware..."


    The question was addressed to S not to people that knows everyones brains.

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  15. Anon said: "I gather you speak from experience H. Lime? Is that why you are here?"

    oooh, you're so insightful. are you always lurking in the shadows waiting to zing someone with a cliche?

    Good for you. I enjoy needling people too, otherwise I wouldn't come back here.

    If sociopathy/psychopathy has any meaning at all, the eitology can not simply describe a lifestyle choice of a normal healthy person. . . .regardless of the evil normal healthy men do.

    I certainly love myself too well and would rather see 1000 haitian babies swallowed by the earth than than get a spot on my suit . . . but even I know I'm not healthy or better off than 'Ns'.

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  16. Harry Lime:

    you say you know you are not healthy - would you ever want to be?

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:35 PM

      Harry Lime said...
      "Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest"

      I agree. Sometimes a "David and Goliath situation" calls for that....(not that im religious) especially if vulnerable people are involved and need protecting. There are people in this world who aren't as strong as others when the shit hits the fan. Those types become weaker and weaker as they are continually ground down into emotional wrecks and become victims. I genuinely sympathize with those types, as much as those types really fustrate me. I guess certain types of people just can't find that "fire" in their stomachs.
      I can understand why though, conditioning can be very powerful.

      A little ruthlessness can go a long way in times of need and i see absolutely no shame in learning it, then using it. Life isn't about dancing off into a perfectly lit sunset.

      2001 said...

      Just because empathy can get in the way, having it does not make one an intellectual subordinate.

      I also agree with this statement. I personally think that awareness
      observation, detachment, social acting, calculation, etc, can be used in a constructive way if ever a person finds themselves in a predicament and needs an exit strategy. Call it a defence mechanism maybe?
      For example take an abuser (brilliant actors), the abused may have naturally felt strongly toward that person at some point. However i believe there is a line. When the harsh reality has become obvious, how is it possible to continue to have real loving feelings toward another who is depraved? How can a person feel empathy for another who is absolutely devoid of feeling any for anybody else? I suppose thats where "acting" comes into it. Even dehumanisation in some cases?.
      People can often find themselves targets for whatever reasons. I appreciate emotions can draw a person in, and circumstance can hold a person "there", so to speak. Life often takes unexpected twists and turns. However regarding detrimental sociopathic relationships of any kind,...(relatives, friends, partners)...if ever a chance presents itself to jump ship and save oneself, i say take it and watch the bastard drown. Fuck empathy. If i come across as a "psycho" because of my views on topics (which im not) oh well, thats just my perspective however twisted it may seem. It makes sense in my own head lol.

      TEEHEE

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  17. The question was addressed to S not to people that knows everyones brains.

    Actually it wasn't addressed to S's. It was about S's. Unless there is a specific person here named "S".

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:43 PM

      At best you could say, I don't know, but I think....
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      MedusaFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

      Yes, you're right.

      Semantics.

      I did not mean, "Eh, no, S's don't think like that."

      I meant, "If that's what they think then that excludes and underestimates the intelligent and self-aware N's..."

      Or some shit like that. Anyway, carry on.
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      At best you could say, I don't know, but I think....
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      MedusaFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

      Yes, you're right.

      Semantics.

      I did not mean, "Eh, no, S's don't think like that."

      I meant, "If that's what they think then that excludes and underestimates the intelligent and self-aware N's..."

      Or some shit like that. Anyway, carry on.
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      At best you could say, I don't know, but I think....
      Reply
      MedusaFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

      Yes, you're right.

      Semantics.

      I did not mean, "Eh, no, S's don't think like that."

      I meant, "If that's what they think then that excludes and underestimates the intelligent and self-aware N's..."

      Or some shit like that. Anyway, carry on.
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      At best you could say, I don't know, but I think....
      Reply
      MedusaFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

      Yes, you're right.

      Semantics.

      I did not mean, "Eh, no, S's don't think like that."

      I meant, "If that's what they think then that excludes and underestimates the intelligent and self-aware N's..."

      Or some shit like that. Anyway, carry on.
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  18. It was addressed to S and the sociopathic thinking of s. The question on the whole can only indicate that.

    Not in any way to someone not an S (sociopath). In any case, you didn't consider the question. I'm asking if S, who may believe that n's can be s's, think that S is a higher absolute truth. We all have our thoughts on that. I'm asking S opinion.

    At best you could say, I don't know, but I think....

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:43 PM

      At best you could say, I don't know, but I think....
      Reply
      MedusaFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

      Yes, you're right.

      Semantics.

      I did not mean, "Eh, no, S's don't think like that."

      I meant, "If that's what they think then that excludes and underestimates the intelligent and self-aware N's..."

      Or some shit like that. Anyway, carry on.
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      At best you could say, I don't know, but I think....
      Reply
      MedusaFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

      Yes, you're right.

      Semantics.

      I did not mean, "Eh, no, S's don't think like that."

      I meant, "If that's what they think then that excludes and underestimates the intelligent and self-aware N's..."

      Or some shit like that. Anyway, carry on.
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      At best you could say, I don't know, but I think....
      Reply
      MedusaFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

      Yes, you're right.

      Semantics.

      I did not mean, "Eh, no, S's don't think like that."

      I meant, "If that's what they think then that excludes and underestimates the intelligent and self-aware N's..."

      Or some shit like that. Anyway, carry on.
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  19. Yes, you're right.

    Semantics.

    I did not mean, "Eh, no, S's don't think like that."

    I meant, "If that's what they think then that excludes and underestimates the intelligent and self-aware N's..."

    Or some shit like that. Anyway, carry on.

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:42 PM

      Yes but this concept of there being equally self-aware is stubbornly rejected by many S's.

      To them, you don't reach the epitome of intellectual advancement until your heart is a dead fish.

      Just because empathy can get in the way, having it does not make one an intellectual subordinate. Unless you get them to think t

      Yes but this concept of there being equally self-aware is stubbornly rejected by many S's.

      To them, you don't reach the epitome of intellectual advancement until your heart is a dead fish.

      Just because empathy can get in the way, having it does not make one an intellectual subordinate. Unless you get them to think t
      Yes but this concept of there being equally self-aware is stubbornly rejected by many S's.

      To them, you don't reach the epitome of intellectual advancement until your heart is a dead fish.

      Just because empathy can get in the way, having it does not make one an intellectual subordinate. Unless you get them to think t
      Yes but this concept of there being equally self-aware is stubbornly rejected by many S's.

      To them, you don't reach the epitome of intellectual advancement until your heart is a dead fish.

      Just because empathy can get in the way, having it does not make one an intellectual subordinate. Unless you get them to think t
      Yes but this concept of there being equally self-aware is stubbornly rejected by many S's.

      To them, you don't reach the epitome of intellectual advancement until your heart is a dead fish.

      Just because empathy can get in the way, having it does not make one an intellectual subordinate. Unless you get them to think t

      Yes but this concept of there being equally self-aware is stubbornly rejected by many S's.

      To them, you don't reach the epitome of intellectual advancement until your heart is a dead fish.

      Just because empathy can get in the way, having it does not make one an intellectual subordinate. Unless you get them to think t
      Yes but this concept of there being equally self-aware is stubbornly rejected by many S's.

      To them, you don't reach the epitome of intellectual advancement until your heart is a dead fish.

      Just because empathy can get in the way, having it does not make one an intellectual subordinate. Unless you get them to think t
      Yes but this concept of there being equally self-aware is stubbornly rejected by many S's.

      To them, you don't reach the epitome of intellectual advancement until your heart is a dead fish.

      Just because empathy can get in the way, having it does not make one an intellectual subordinate. Unless you get them to think t

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    2. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:43 PM

      At best you could say, I don't know, but I think....
      Reply
      MedusaFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

      Yes, you're right.

      Semantics.

      I did not mean, "Eh, no, S's don't think like that."

      I meant, "If that's what they think then that excludes and underestimates the intelligent and self-aware N's..."

      Or some shit like that. Anyway, carry on.
      Reply
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      At best you could say, I don't know, but I think....
      Reply
      MedusaFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

      Yes, you're right.

      Semantics.

      I did not mean, "Eh, no, S's don't think like that."

      I meant, "If that's what they think then that excludes and underestimates the intelligent and self-aware N's..."

      Or some shit like that. Anyway, carry on.
      Reply
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      At best you could say, I don't know, but I think....
      Reply
      MedusaFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

      Yes, you're right.

      Semantics.

      I did not mean, "Eh, no, S's don't think like that."

      I meant, "If that's what they think then that excludes and underestimates the intelligent and self-aware N's..."

      Or some shit like that. Anyway, carry on.
      Reply
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  20. Yes but this concept of there being equally self-aware is stubbornly rejected by many S's.

    To them, you don't reach the epitome of intellectual advancement until your heart is a dead fish.

    Just because empathy can get in the way, having it does not make one an intellectual subordinate. Unless you get them to think that way. But that is not unique to you self-aggrandizing s's, men have done that women from the start.

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  21. I left out two words in my post above. That error must signal my inferiority.

    Just because I possess the capacity to give a shit about others, that does not make me a fool. Quite the contrary.

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM

      Harry Lime said...
      "Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest"

      I agree. Sometimes a "David and Goliath situation" calls for that....(not that im religious) especially if vulnerable people are involved and need protecting. There are people in this world who aren't as strong as others when the shit hits the fan. Those types become weaker and weaker as they are continually ground down into emotional wrecks and become victims. I genuinely sympathize with those types, as much as those types really fustrate me. I guess certain types of people just can't find that "fire" in their stomachs.
      I can understand why though, conditioning can be very powerful.

      A little ruthlessness can go a long way in times of need and i see absolutely no shame in learning it, then using it. Life isn't about dancing off into a perfectly lit sunset.

      2001 said...

      Just because empathy can get in the way, having it does not make one an intellectual subordinate.

      I also agree with this statement. I personally think that awareness
      observation, detachment, social acting, calculation, etc, can be used in a constructive way if ever a person finds themselves in a predicament and needs an exit strategy. Call it a defence mechanism maybe?
      For example take an abuser (brilliant actors), the abused may have naturally felt strongly toward that person at some point. However i believe there is a line. When the harsh reality has become obvious, how is it possible to continue to have real loving feelings toward another who is depraved? How can a person feel empathy for another who is absolutely devoid of feeling any for anybody else? I suppose thats where "acting" comes into it. Even dehumanisation in some cases?.
      People can often find themselves targets for whatever reasons. I appreciate emotions can draw a person in, and circumstance can hold a person "there", so to speak. Life often takes unexpected twists and turns. However regarding detrimental sociopathic relationships of any kind,...(relatives, friends, partners)...if ever a chance presents itself to jump ship and save oneself, i say take it and watch the bastard drown. Fuck empathy. If i come across as a "psycho" because of my views on topics (which im not) oh well, thats just my perspective however twisted it may seem. It makes sense in my own head lol.

      TEEHEE

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  22. Harry Lime said...
    "Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest"

    I agree. Sometimes a "David and Goliath situation" calls for that....(not that im religious) especially if vulnerable people are involved and need protecting. There are people in this world who aren't as strong as others when the shit hits the fan. Those types become weaker and weaker as they are continually ground down into emotional wrecks and become victims. I genuinely sympathize with those types, as much as those types really fustrate me. I guess certain types of people just can't find that "fire" in their stomachs.
    I can understand why though, conditioning can be very powerful.

    A little ruthlessness can go a long way in times of need and i see absolutely no shame in learning it, then using it. Life isn't about dancing off into a perfectly lit sunset.

    2001 said...

    Just because empathy can get in the way, having it does not make one an intellectual subordinate.

    I also agree with this statement. I personally think that awareness
    observation, detachment, social acting, calculation, etc, can be used in a constructive way if ever a person finds themselves in a predicament and needs an exit strategy. Call it a defence mechanism maybe?
    For example take an abuser (brilliant actors), the abused may have naturally felt strongly toward that person at some point. However i believe there is a line. When the harsh reality has become obvious, how is it possible to continue to have real loving feelings toward another who is depraved? How can a person feel empathy for another who is absolutely devoid of feeling any for anybody else? I suppose thats where "acting" comes into it. Even dehumanisation in some cases?.
    People can often find themselves targets for whatever reasons. I appreciate emotions can draw a person in, and circumstance can hold a person "there", so to speak. Life often takes unexpected twists and turns. However regarding detrimental sociopathic relationships of any kind,...(relatives, friends, partners)...if ever a chance presents itself to jump ship and save oneself, i say take it and watch the bastard drown. Fuck empathy. If i come across as a "psycho" because of my views on topics (which im not) oh well, thats just my perspective however twisted it may seem. It makes sense in my own head lol.


    Tink :)

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    1. GOLDSTA\R VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM

      Harry Lime said...
      "Normal people are plenty ruthless and dishonest"

      I agree. Sometimes a "David and Goliath situation" calls for that....(not that im religious) especially if vulnerable people are involved and need protecting. There are people in this world who aren't as strong as others when the shit hits the fan. Those types become weaker and weaker as they are continually ground down into emotional wrecks and become victims. I genuinely sympathize with those types, as much as those types really fustrate me. I guess certain types of people just can't find that "fire" in their stomachs.
      I can understand why though, conditioning can be very powerful.

      A little ruthlessness can go a long way in times of need and i see absolutely no shame in learning it, then using it. Life isn't about dancing off into a perfectly lit sunset.

      2001 said...

      Just because empathy can get in the way, having it does not make one an intellectual subordinate.

      I also agree with this statement. I personally think that awareness
      observation, detachment, social acting, calculation, etc, can be used in a constructive way if ever a person finds themselves in a predicament and needs an exit strategy. Call it a defence mechanism maybe?
      For example take an abuser (brilliant actors), the abused may have naturally felt strongly toward that person at some point. However i believe there is a line. When the harsh reality has become obvious, how is it possible to continue to have real loving feelings toward another who is depraved? How can a person feel empathy for another who is absolutely devoid of feeling any for anybody else? I suppose thats where "acting" comes into it. Even dehumanisation in some cases?.
      People can often find themselves targets for whatever reasons. I appreciate emotions can draw a person in, and circumstance can hold a person "there", so to speak. Life often takes unexpected twists and turns. However regarding detrimental sociopathic relationships of any kind,...(relatives, friends, partners)...if ever a chance presents itself to jump ship and save oneself, i say take it and watch the bastard drown. Fuck empathy. If i come across as a "psycho" because of my views on topics (which im not) oh well, thats just my perspective however twisted it may seem. It makes sense in my own head lol.

      TEEHEE

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  23. lol, tink, nice rant. i thought you said you were the quiet type?

    2001...empathy does not get in the way, it's the emotions that get in the way. emo = feeling for yourself, empath = feeling for someone else. they're different. the first one impairs judgement.

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    1. I don't consider this a rant at all in imo...but it is very telling of YOU to think otherwise. His/her post made yours small.......but then, again, it was brief, huh?

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    2. i mean make your point narc

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    3. here ya go..dumped down version:

      nicely written with many good points, tink. :-)

      Delete
    4. entertain me i'm bored. how is it telling of Zoe?

      Delete
    5. that's DUMBED down

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    6. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:32 PM

      ol, tink, nice rant. i thought you said you were the quiet type?

      2001...empathy does not get in the way, it's the emotions that get in the way. emo = feeling for yourself, empath = feeling for someone else. they're different. the first one impairs judgement.
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      AnonymousFebruary 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM

      I don't consider this a rant at all in imo...but it is very telling of YOU to think otherwise. His/her post made yours small.......but then, again, it was brief, huh?
      ZoeFebruary 3, 2013 at 11:23 AM

      make your point
      ZoeFebruary 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM

      i mean make your point narc

      ZoeFebruary 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM

      here ya go..dumped down version:

      nicely written with many good points, tink. :-)
      Under da FridgeFebruary 3, 2013 at 11:35 AM

      entertain me i'm bored. how is it telling of Zoe?
      BIG Frigging NarcFebruary 3, 2013 at 11:37 AM

      that's DUMBED down

      ol, tink, nice rant. i thought you said you were the quiet type?

      2001...empathy does not get in the way, it's the emotions that get in the way. emo = feeling for yourself, empath = feeling for someone else. they're different. the first one impairs judgement.
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      AnonymousFebruary 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM

      I don't consider this a rant at all in imo...but it is very telling of YOU to think otherwise. His/her post made yours small.......but then, again, it was brief, huh?
      ZoeFebruary 3, 2013 at 11:23 AM

      make your point
      ZoeFebruary 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM

      i mean make your point narc

      ZoeFebruary 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM

      here ya go..dumped down version:

      nicely written with many good points, tink. :-)
      Under da FridgeFebruary 3, 2013 at 11:35 AM

      entertain me i'm bored. how is it telling of Zoe?
      BIG Frigging NarcFebruary 3, 2013 at 11:37 AM

      that's DUMBED down

      TEEHEE

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  24. Lol, oh i do love a good rant with a dash of imagination.
    But who knows "what i am", im just fingers at a keyboard.... ;)

    Tink

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    1. Great response!

      Delete
    2. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:40 PM

      This was good stuff, a very intelligent discussion... QM
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      AnonymousFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      All of us, like all nations, are tested twice in the moral realm: f irst by what we do, then by what we make of what we do. A condition of guilt, a sense of one’s own guilt, denotes a kind of second chance; we are, as if by a kind of grace, given a chance to repay to the living what it is we find ourselves owing to the dead. —Peter Marin, Freedom and Its Discontents
      Reply
      anonymous4444February 3, 2013 at 3:40 AM

      I just love this blog and the topics that is being posted everyday. I really don't know in what category I fall. But, I'm very much capable of understanding (though I don't usually empathize) all the types be it the sociopaths, the narcissist, the neurotypicals or the aspie. There are two sides to a coin but there 360 degrees to look at an incident, all it matters is how you look at it.

      This was good stuff, a very intelligent discussion... QM
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      All of us, like all nations, are tested twice in the moral realm: f irst by what we do, then by what we make of what we do. A condition of guilt, a sense of one’s own guilt, denotes a kind of second chance; we are, as if by a kind of grace, given a chance to repay to the living what it is we find ourselves owing to the dead. —Peter Marin, Freedom and Its Discontents
      Reply
      anonymous4444February 3, 2013 at 3:40 AM

      I just love this blog and the topics that is being posted everyday. I really don't know in what category I fall. But, I'm very much capable of understanding (though I don't usually empathize) all the types be it the sociopaths, the narcissist, the neurotypicals or the aspie. There are two sides to a coin but there 360 degrees to look at an incident, all it matters is how you look at it.

      This was good stuff, a very intelligent discussion... QM
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      All of us, like all nations, are tested twice in the moral realm: f irst by what we do, then by what we make of what we do. A condition of guilt, a sense of one’s own guilt, denotes a kind of second chance; we are, as if by a kind of grace, given a chance to repay to the living what it is we find ourselves owing to the dead. —Peter Marin, Freedom and Its Discontents
      Reply
      anonymous4444February 3, 2013 at 3:40 AM

      I just love this blog and the topics that is being posted everyday. I really don't know in what category I fall. But, I'm very much capable of understanding (though I don't usually empathize) all the types be it the sociopaths, the narcissist, the neurotypicals or the aspie. There are two sides to a coin but there 360 degrees to look at an incident, all it matters is how you look at it.

      Delete
  25. This was good stuff, a very intelligent discussion... QM

    ReplyDelete
  26. All of us, like all nations, are tested twice in the moral realm: f irst by what we do, then by what we make of what we do. A condition of guilt, a sense of one’s own guilt, denotes a kind of second chance; we are, as if by a kind of grace, given a chance to repay to the living what it is we find ourselves owing to the dead. —Peter Marin, Freedom and Its Discontents

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:41 PM

      This was good stuff, a very intelligent discussion... QM
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      All of us, like all nations, are tested twice in the moral realm: f irst by what we do, then by what we make of what we do. A condition of guilt, a sense of one’s own guilt, denotes a kind of second chance; we are, as if by a kind of grace, given a chance to repay to the living what it is we find ourselves owing to the dead. —Peter Marin, Freedom and Its Discontents
      Reply
      anonymous4444February 3, 2013 at 3:40 AM

      I just love this blog and the topics that is being posted everyday. I really don't know in what category I fall. But, I'm very much capable of understanding (though I don't usually empathize) all the types be it the sociopaths, the narcissist, the neurotypicals or the aspie. There are two sides to a coin but there 360 degrees to look at an incident, all it matters is how you look at it.

      This was good stuff, a very intelligent discussion... QM
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      All of us, like all nations, are tested twice in the moral realm: f irst by what we do, then by what we make of what we do. A condition of guilt, a sense of one’s own guilt, denotes a kind of second chance; we are, as if by a kind of grace, given a chance to repay to the living what it is we find ourselves owing to the dead. —Peter Marin, Freedom and Its Discontents
      Reply
      anonymous4444February 3, 2013 at 3:40 AM

      I just love this blog and the topics that is being posted everyday. I really don't know in what category I fall. But, I'm very much capable of understanding (though I don't usually empathize) all the types be it the sociopaths, the narcissist, the neurotypicals or the aspie. There are two sides to a coin but there 360 degrees to look at an incident, all it matters is how you look at it.

      This was good stuff, a very intelligent discussion... QM
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:23 AM

      All of us, like all nations, are tested twice in the moral realm: f irst by what we do, then by what we make of what we do. A condition of guilt, a sense of one’s own guilt, denotes a kind of second chance; we are, as if by a kind of grace, given a chance to repay to the living what it is we find ourselves owing to the dead. —Peter Marin, Freedom and Its Discontents
      Reply
      anonymous4444February 3, 2013 at 3:40 AM

      I just love this blog and the topics that is being posted everyday. I really don't know in what category I fall. But, I'm very much capable of understanding (though I don't usually empathize) all the types be it the sociopaths, the narcissist, the neurotypicals or the aspie. There are two sides to a coin but there 360 degrees to look at an incident, all it matters is how you look at it.

      TEEHEE

      Delete
  27. I just love this blog and the topics that is being posted everyday. I really don't know in what category I fall. But, I'm very much capable of understanding (though I don't usually empathize) all the types be it the sociopaths, the narcissist, the neurotypicals or the aspie. There are two sides to a coin but there 360 degrees to look at an incident, all it matters is how you look at it.

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    1. GOLD STAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:31 PM

      ver less.

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    2. GOLD STAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:32 PM

      Ah yes, that's a good way of describing what NTs can do! If you want a more defining example, think of the older times when a young girl/boy would be "schooled" in the right behaviours before they entered society(Western, of course).
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      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM

      If that is the case, then the difference between neurotypical people and sociopaths seems to be one of degree, not quality.

      degree of awareness?

      awareness of the process would give you the choice to step out of line.
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      AnonymousFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

      I agree with Zoe. It is awareness and reflection that makes the S realize what's going on, while the non-S actually believes in the delusion that all this is real. Friends of mine speak of the inherent kindness of all humans, seemingly completely unaware that everyone engages in pretending and socially sanctioned emotional displays.
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      aspieFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

      Seems to me that S's believe they are the way they are by choice and arrive that way by logical thought yielding awareness of reality as opposed to it having to do with any inherent born brain structure yielding fixed use patterns.

      If this were true, it seems to me that S believes that it may be possible for N to be S or far more S like if they only were more honest with themselves and developed awareness of reality.

      Does S find N vulgar and dishonest?
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      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

      this view also supports ME's earlier comment that you can go from N to S, but not back. i didn't see why that would be when i first read it, but in terms of awareness it makes sense. you could go to a state of more awareness but never less.

      Ah yes, that's a good way of describing what NTs can do! If you want a more defining example, think of the older times when a young girl/boy would be "schooled" in the right behaviours before they entered society(Western, of course).
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM

      If that is the case, then the difference between neurotypical people and sociopaths seems to be one of degree, not quality.

      degree of awareness?

      awareness of the process would give you the choice to step out of line.
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

      I agree with Zoe. It is awareness and reflection that makes the S realize what's going on, while the non-S actually believes in the delusion that all this is real. Friends of mine speak of the inherent kindness of all humans, seemingly completely unaware that everyone engages in pretending and socially sanctioned emotional displays.
      Reply
      aspieFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

      Seems to me that S's believe they are the way they are by choice and arrive that way by logical thought yielding awareness of reality as opposed to it having to do with any inherent born brain structure yielding fixed use patterns.

      If this were true, it seems to me that S believes that it may be possible for N to be S or far more S like if they only were more honest with themselves and developed awareness of reality.

      Does S find N vulgar and dishonest?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

      this view also supports ME's earlier comment that you can go from N to S, but not back. i didn't see why that would be when i first read it, but in terms of awareness it makes sense. you could go to a state of more awareness but never less.

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    1. Good Morning Rich, MyMind and Zoe !!

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    2. Hello MyMind, Zoe, and Monica!!!!

      How are you all today????

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    3. Hey Monica and Zoe!

      I'm pretty good, Weekend-Bender + Superbowl Yay.

      And how are you?

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    4. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM




      this view also supports ME's earlier comment that you can go from N to S, but not back. i didn't see why that would be when i first read it, but in terms of awareness it makes sense. you could go to a state of more awareness but never less.

      Ah yes, that's a good way of describing what NTs can do! If you want a more defining example, think of the older times when a young girl/boy would be "schooled" in the right behaviours before they entered society(Western, of course).
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM

      If that is the case, then the difference between neurotypical people and sociopaths seems to be one of degree, not quality.

      degree of awareness?

      awareness of the process would give you the choice to step out of line.
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

      I agree with Zoe. It is awareness and reflection that makes the S realize what's going on, while the non-S actually believes in the delusion that all this is real. Friends of mine speak of the inherent kindness of all humans, seemingly completely unaware that everyone engages in pretending and socially sanctioned emotional displays.
      Reply
      aspieFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

      Seems to me that S's believe they are the way they are by choice and arrive that way by logical thought yielding awareness of reality as opposed to it having to do with any inherent born brain structure yielding fixed use patterns.

      If this were true, it seems to me that S believes that it may be possible for N to be S or far more S like if they only were more honest with themselves and developed awareness of reality.

      Does S find N vulgar and dishonest?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

      this view also supports ME's earlier comment that you can go from N to S, but not back. i didn't see why that would be when i first read it, but in terms of awareness it makes sense. you could go to a state of more awareness but never less.

      Ah yes, that's a good way of describing what NTs can do! If you want a more defining example, think of the older times when a young girl/boy would be "schooled" in the right behaviours before they entered society(Western, of course).
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM

      If that is the case, then the difference between neurotypical people and sociopaths seems to be one of degree, not quality.

      degree of awareness?

      awareness of the process would give you the choice to step out of line.
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

      I agree with Zoe. It is awareness and reflection that makes the S realize what's going on, while the non-S actually believes in the delusion that all this is real. Friends of mine speak of the inherent kindness of all humans, seemingly completely unaware that everyone engages in pretending and socially sanctioned emotional displays.
      Reply
      aspieFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

      Seems to me that S's believe they are the way they are by choice and arrive that way by logical thought yielding awareness of reality as opposed to it having to do with any inherent born brain structure yielding fixed use patterns.

      If this were true, it seems to me that S believes that it may be possible for N to be S or far more S like if they only were more honest with themselves and developed awareness of reality.

      Does S find N vulgar and dishonest?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

      this view also supports ME's earlier comment that you can go from N to S, but not back. i didn't see why that would be when i first read it, but in terms of awareness it makes sense. you could go to a state of more awareness but never less.

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  29. Replies
    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 6:13 PM

      Ah yes, that's a good way of describing what NTs can do! If you want a more defining example, think of the older times when a young girl/boy would be "schooled" in the right behaviours before they entered society(Western, of course).
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM

      If that is the case, then the difference between neurotypical people and sociopaths seems to be one of degree, not quality.

      degree of awareness?

      awareness of the process would give you the choice to step out of line.
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

      I agree with Zoe. It is awareness and reflection that makes the S realize what's going on, while the non-S actually believes in the delusion that all this is real. Friends of mine speak of the inherent kindness of all humans, seemingly completely unaware that everyone engages in pretending and socially sanctioned emotional displays.
      Reply
      aspieFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

      Seems to me that S's believe they are the way they are by choice and arrive that way by logical thought yielding awareness of reality as opposed to it having to do with any inherent born brain structure yielding fixed use patterns.

      If this were true, it seems to me that S believes that it may be possible for N to be S or far more S like if they only were more honest with themselves and developed awareness of reality.

      Does S find N vulgar and dishonest?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

      this view also supports ME's earlier comment that you can go from N to S, but not back. i didn't see why that would be when i first read it, but in terms of awareness it makes sense. you could go to a state of more awareness but never less.

      Ah yes, that's a good way of describing what NTs can do! If you want a more defining example, think of the older times when a young girl/boy would be "schooled" in the right behaviours before they entered society(Western, of course).
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM

      If that is the case, then the difference between neurotypical people and sociopaths seems to be one of degree, not quality.

      degree of awareness?

      awareness of the process would give you the choice to step out of line.
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

      I agree with Zoe. It is awareness and reflection that makes the S realize what's going on, while the non-S actually believes in the delusion that all this is real. Friends of mine speak of the inherent kindness of all humans, seemingly completely unaware that everyone engages in pretending and socially sanctioned emotional displays.
      Reply
      aspieFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

      Seems to me that S's believe they are the way they are by choice and arrive that way by logical thought yielding awareness of reality as opposed to it having to do with any inherent born brain structure yielding fixed use patterns.

      If this were true, it seems to me that S believes that it may be possible for N to be S or far more S like if they only were more honest with themselves and developed awareness of reality.

      Does S find N vulgar and dishonest?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

      this view also supports ME's earlier comment that you can go from N to S, but not back. i didn't see why that would be when i first read it, but in terms of awareness it makes sense. you could go to a state of more awareness but never less.

      Delete
  30. Human rationality depends critically on sophisticated emotionality. Reason and emotion must both work together to create intelligent behavior, but emotion does most of the work.

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    1. well put anon

      in my case reason does most of the work. emotion follows along, a loyal but edgy watchdog. it runs off on a chase now and then, or growls at stupid stuff. reason settles it down. :-)

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    2. I prefer to call reasoning the watchdog.

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    3. very interesting, anonymous. how does emotion do most of the work? would you call yourself logical, feeling or intuitive?

      Delete
    4. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 6:14 PM

      Ah yes, that's a good way of describing what NTs can do! If you want a more defining example, think of the older times when a young girl/boy would be "schooled" in the right behaviours before they entered society(Western, of course).
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM

      If that is the case, then the difference between neurotypical people and sociopaths seems to be one of degree, not quality.

      degree of awareness?

      awareness of the process would give you the choice to step out of line.
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

      I agree with Zoe. It is awareness and reflection that makes the S realize what's going on, while the non-S actually believes in the delusion that all this is real. Friends of mine speak of the inherent kindness of all humans, seemingly completely unaware that everyone engages in pretending and socially sanctioned emotional displays.
      Reply
      aspieFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

      Seems to me that S's believe they are the way they are by choice and arrive that way by logical thought yielding awareness of reality as opposed to it having to do with any inherent born brain structure yielding fixed use patterns.

      If this were true, it seems to me that S believes that it may be possible for N to be S or far more S like if they only were more honest with themselves and developed awareness of reality.

      Does S find N vulgar and dishonest?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

      this view also supports ME's earlier comment that you can go from N to S, but not back. i didn't see why that would be when i first read it, but in terms of awareness it makes sense. you could go to a state of more awareness but never less.

      Ah yes, that's a good way of describing what NTs can do! If you want a more defining example, think of the older times when a young girl/boy would be "schooled" in the right behaviours before they entered society(Western, of course).
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM

      If that is the case, then the difference between neurotypical people and sociopaths seems to be one of degree, not quality.

      degree of awareness?

      awareness of the process would give you the choice to step out of line.
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

      I agree with Zoe. It is awareness and reflection that makes the S realize what's going on, while the non-S actually believes in the delusion that all this is real. Friends of mine speak of the inherent kindness of all humans, seemingly completely unaware that everyone engages in pretending and socially sanctioned emotional displays.
      Reply
      aspieFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

      Seems to me that S's believe they are the way they are by choice and arrive that way by logical thought yielding awareness of reality as opposed to it having to do with any inherent born brain structure yielding fixed use patterns.

      If this were true, it seems to me that S believes that it may be possible for N to be S or far more S like if they only were more honest with themselves and developed awareness of reality.

      Does S find N vulgar and dishonest?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

      this view also supports ME's earlier comment that you can go from N to S, but not back. i didn't see why that would be when i first read it, but in terms of awareness it makes sense. you could go to a state of more awareness but never less.

      Delete
  31. Monica is vegitopath

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:44 PM

      At best you could say, I don't know, but I think....
      Reply
      MedusaFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

      Yes, you're right.

      Semantics.

      I did not mean, "Eh, no, S's don't think like that."

      I meant, "If that's what they think then that excludes and underestimates the intelligent and self-aware N's..."

      Or some shit like that. Anyway, carry on.
      Reply
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      At best you could say, I don't know, but I think....
      Reply
      MedusaFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

      Yes, you're right.

      Semantics.

      I did not mean, "Eh, no, S's don't think like that."

      I meant, "If that's what they think then that excludes and underestimates the intelligent and self-aware N's..."

      Or some shit like that. Anyway, carry on.
      Reply
      Replies

      At best you could say, I don't know, but I think....
      Reply
      MedusaFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:16 PM

      Yes, you're right.

      Semantics.

      I did not mean, "Eh, no, S's don't think like that."

      I meant, "If that's what they think then that excludes and underestimates the intelligent and self-aware N's..."

      Or some shit like that. Anyway, carry on.
      Reply
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      Delete
  32. Healing would be easy, if you could pull down all the bricks, in the grand edifice which is known as you. The bricks are the problems. The cement with which they are held, is the problem. If you could put an invisible cord in, you could pull them down, in a huge demolition exercise and you could walk free. However, the knowing and the doing are miles apart.

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    1. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 6:14 PM

      Ah yes, that's a good way of describing what NTs can do! If you want a more defining example, think of the older times when a young girl/boy would be "schooled" in the right behaviours before they entered society(Western, of course).
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM

      If that is the case, then the difference between neurotypical people and sociopaths seems to be one of degree, not quality.

      degree of awareness?

      awareness of the process would give you the choice to step out of line.
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

      I agree with Zoe. It is awareness and reflection that makes the S realize what's going on, while the non-S actually believes in the delusion that all this is real. Friends of mine speak of the inherent kindness of all humans, seemingly completely unaware that everyone engages in pretending and socially sanctioned emotional displays.
      Reply
      aspieFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

      Seems to me that S's believe they are the way they are by choice and arrive that way by logical thought yielding awareness of reality as opposed to it having to do with any inherent born brain structure yielding fixed use patterns.

      If this were true, it seems to me that S believes that it may be possible for N to be S or far more S like if they only were more honest with themselves and developed awareness of reality.

      Does S find N vulgar and dishonest?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

      this view also supports ME's earlier comment that you can go from N to S, but not back. i didn't see why that would be when i first read it, but in terms of awareness it makes sense. you could go to a state of more awareness but never less.

      Ah yes, that's a good way of describing what NTs can do! If you want a more defining example, think of the older times when a young girl/boy would be "schooled" in the right behaviours before they entered society(Western, of course).
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM

      If that is the case, then the difference between neurotypical people and sociopaths seems to be one of degree, not quality.

      degree of awareness?

      awareness of the process would give you the choice to step out of line.
      Reply
      AnonymousFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

      I agree with Zoe. It is awareness and reflection that makes the S realize what's going on, while the non-S actually believes in the delusion that all this is real. Friends of mine speak of the inherent kindness of all humans, seemingly completely unaware that everyone engages in pretending and socially sanctioned emotional displays.
      Reply
      aspieFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

      Seems to me that S's believe they are the way they are by choice and arrive that way by logical thought yielding awareness of reality as opposed to it having to do with any inherent born brain structure yielding fixed use patterns.

      If this were true, it seems to me that S believes that it may be possible for N to be S or far more S like if they only were more honest with themselves and developed awareness of reality.

      Does S find N vulgar and dishonest?
      Reply
      ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

      this view also supports ME's earlier comment that you can go from N to S, but not back. i didn't see why that would be when i first read it, but in terms of awareness it makes sense. you could go to a state of more awareness but never less.

      Delete
    2. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM

      Up From The SofaFebruary 3, 2013 at 12:41 PM

      Healing would be easy, if you could pull down all the bricks, in the grand edifice which is known as you. The bricks are the problems. The cement with which they are held, is the problem. If you could put an invisible cord in, you could pull them down, in a huge demolition exercise and you could walk free. However, the knowing and the doing are miles apart.

      Up From The SofaFebruary 3, 2013 at 12:41 PM

      Healing would be easy, if you could pull down all the bricks, in the grand edifice which is known as you. The bricks are the problems. The cement with which they are held, is the problem. If you could put an invisible cord in, you could pull them down, in a huge demolition exercise and you could walk free. However, the knowing and the doing are miles apart.

      Up From The SofaFebruary 3, 2013 at 12:41 PM

      Healing would be easy, if you could pull down all the bricks, in the grand edifice which is known as you. The bricks are the problems. The cement with which they are held, is the problem. If you could put an invisible cord in, you could pull them down, in a huge demolition exercise and you could walk free. However, the knowing and the doing are miles apart.
      Up From The SofaFebruary 3, 2013 at 12:41 PM

      Healing would be easy, if you could pull down all the bricks, in the grand edifice which is known as you. The bricks are the problems. The cement with which they are held, is the problem. If you could put an invisible cord in, you could pull them down, in a huge demolition exercise and you could walk free. However, the knowing and the doing are miles apart.

      Up From The SofaFebruary 3, 2013 at 12:41 PM

      Healing would be easy, if you could pull down all the bricks, in the grand edifice which is known as you. The bricks are the problems. The cement with which they are held, is the problem. If you could put an invisible cord in, you could pull them down, in a huge demolition exercise and you could walk free. However, the knowing and the doing are miles apart.

      Up From The SofaFebruary 3, 2013 at 12:41 PM

      Healing would be easy, if you could pull down all the bricks, in the grand edifice which is known as you. The bricks are the problems. The cement with which they are held, is the problem. If you could put an invisible cord in, you could pull them down, in a huge demolition exercise and you could walk free. However, the knowing and the doing are miles apart.

      Delete
  33. GOLDSTAR VEGITOPATHFebruary 3, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Ah yes, that's a good way of describing what NTs can do! If you want a more defining example, think of the older times when a young girl/boy would be "schooled" in the right behaviours before they entered society(Western, of course).
    Reply
    ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM

    If that is the case, then the difference between neurotypical people and sociopaths seems to be one of degree, not quality.

    degree of awareness?

    awareness of the process would give you the choice to step out of line.
    Reply
    AnonymousFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

    I agree with Zoe. It is awareness and reflection that makes the S realize what's going on, while the non-S actually believes in the delusion that all this is real. Friends of mine speak of the inherent kindness of all humans, seemingly completely unaware that everyone engages in pretending and socially sanctioned emotional displays.
    Reply
    aspieFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

    Seems to me that S's believe they are the way they are by choice and arrive that way by logical thought yielding awareness of reality as opposed to it having to do with any inherent born brain structure yielding fixed use patterns.

    If this were true, it seems to me that S believes that it may be possible for N to be S or far more S like if they only were more honest with themselves and developed awareness of reality.

    Does S find N vulgar and dishonest?
    Reply
    ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

    this view also supports ME's earlier comment that you can go from N to S, but not back. i didn't see why that would be when i first read it, but in terms of awareness it makes sense. you could go to a state of more awareness but never less.

    Ah yes, that's a good way of describing what NTs can do! If you want a more defining example, think of the older times when a young girl/boy would be "schooled" in the right behaviours before they entered society(Western, of course).
    Reply
    ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM

    If that is the case, then the difference between neurotypical people and sociopaths seems to be one of degree, not quality.

    degree of awareness?

    awareness of the process would give you the choice to step out of line.
    Reply
    AnonymousFebruary 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM

    I agree with Zoe. It is awareness and reflection that makes the S realize what's going on, while the non-S actually believes in the delusion that all this is real. Friends of mine speak of the inherent kindness of all humans, seemingly completely unaware that everyone engages in pretending and socially sanctioned emotional displays.
    Reply
    aspieFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:30 AM

    Seems to me that S's believe they are the way they are by choice and arrive that way by logical thought yielding awareness of reality as opposed to it having to do with any inherent born brain structure yielding fixed use patterns.

    If this were true, it seems to me that S believes that it may be possible for N to be S or far more S like if they only were more honest with themselves and developed awareness of reality.

    Does S find N vulgar and dishonest?
    Reply
    ZoeFebruary 15, 2010 at 10:38 AM

    this view also supports ME's earlier comment that you can go from N to S, but not back. i didn't see why that would be when i first read it, but in terms of awareness it makes sense. you could go to a state of more awareness but never less.

    TEEHEE

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  34. It is a fight and you are the prize, though you wouldn't for hells' sake know why they wanted you. Rest assured, they want everyone, just like Uncle Sam and the draft.

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  35. there are no differences between narcissists and psychopaths both are manipulative both are grandiose both have insecurities both are cruel

    narcissists are less impulsive and less antisocial but thats about it

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  36. I commit crimes more in order to feel joy and excitement than for the money.

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  37. can sociopaths attach memories to music? For instance; does a song ever remind you of a person or a particular time?

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  38. more- does music inspire any feelings inside?

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  39. I understand the decision making process for 'neurotypical' people and 'sociopaths' to be the exact same - risk/reward calculations and choosing the option that you think best serves you. The difference is probably the amount of data processed and how this data changes. Think of it like language, if you will; we all start with the same language, and the more precise our definitions become, the more we tend to use those precise definitions, thus retroactively starting to live our lives under the mentalese translations of said words; it's a cycle that feeds itself and exponentially grows.

    Being a sociopath who's also a rape victim (this event doesn't precede my mental anomaly) I can clearly say that I choose to be raped - it was a woman, smaller than I, I could've beat her easily or otherwise exercised physical force; but she was also a woman a friend (another women) asked if I could take care of for the night because she was having an episode, I'm the son of two feminist parents who uphold women in highest regard, up until that point in my life I'd pondered but thought that women were never to be exercised physical violence upon. When I was raped, even though it was horrible; it was vastly easier to be raped than to deal with all the social problems that would've arisen from me beating an episodic woman and throwing her on the street.

    Was I mistaken? No. I think our all -neutotypical or otherwise- process data in the same fashion and make the choice at the time of decision that seems the most correct. After all, there *is* a decision system, and no one acts randomly (even the people who seem to act randomly, are acting so consciously).

    We tend to view sociopaths as wolves and neurotypicals as sheeps; there's a public (and admittedly, personal) view that sociopaths are 'darker' people. I think neurotypical people find it more comforting to live in their lie despite all evidence to the contrary, because it's far more pleasurable to them to imagine a benevolent and loving world, as it makes them feel safer.

    Probably the main division between sociopaths and neurotypicals is that sociopaths often go through periods in their life where it's simply impossible to ignore what they see so they can no longer make the same decisions. In that sense, from a third view observatory, it would seem a sociopath were colder and more analytical and less emotional, albeit given that we all follow the same decision making process (with different amounts of data interpreted differently -but still the same process), thus sometimes I can't help but to laugh when I people trying to pretend to believe in love, or act like they're in love - who's the biggest liar, sociopath now?

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