Wednesday, August 31, 2011

Genetically predisposed to crime?

Yes, although that is not the full picture. From the NY Times:
Researchers estimate that at least 100 studies have shown that genes play a role in crimes. “Very good methodological advances have meant that a wide range of genetic work is being done,” said John H. Laub, the director of the justice institute, who won the Stockholm Prize in Criminology last week. He and others take pains to emphasize, however, that genes are ruled by the environment, which can either mute or aggravate violent impulses. Many people with the same genetic tendency for aggressiveness will never throw a punch, while others without it could be career criminals.
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Kevin Beaver, an associate professor at Florida State University’s College of Criminology and Criminal Justice, said genetics may account for, say, half of a person’s aggressive behavior, but that 50 percent comprises hundreds or thousands of genes that express themselves differently depending on the environment.
The article is interesting because it talks not only about one's childhood environment, but one's current environment. One such environmental factor is marriage:
[Steven Pinker] mentioned one of the biggest risk factors leading to crime: remaining single instead of getting married, a link uncovered by Mr. Laub and Robert J. Sampson, a Harvard sociologist who was a co-winner of the Stockholm Prize. Marriage may serve as a switch that directs male energies toward investing in a family rather than competing with other males, Mr. Pinker said.
For those who are interested in improving their environment in order to maximize self control, this NY Times article about decision fatigue is good. The gist of the article is that you have limited amounts of self control, so don't waste it on unimportant things. Also be very aware of your blood glucose levels-- glucose can erase the effects of decision fatigue. It's oddly a lot of things I have just intuited about myself over the years, but still helpful to learn the science behind it.

287 comments:

  1. Hmmm. To my mind crime is a social construction and deviance is ambiguous – so you can’t be biologically disposed to it. Plus, aggression is a behaviour that doesn't take place in a social vacuum.

    Obviously the purpose of criminology is correctional, so I'm not surprised that the study of genes is popular in the field, because it's no doubt seen as an attractive 'solution' to reducing crime rates.

    However I don't believe you can predict - and therefore control for - aggression based on a person's genes.

    This just about sums it up for me:

    "Aggressive deviant acts share so much in common with non-aggressive deviant acts that individuals prone to commit aggressive criminal acts are prone to commit non-aggressive criminal acts as well. Thus, no individual-level trait of aggression is consistent with the results of behavioural research."

    As for remaining single being one of the biggest risk factors leading to crime - maybe married men are just more adept at not getting caught, for a myriad of reasons, or domestic violence doesn't count. Then again, 'crime' in this circumstance is not defined.

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  2. If you're wordy it's your own fault for being bludgeoned -- we warn potential victims not to be wordy so that bludgeoners who are enraged by wordy people won't bludgeon them. Be more concise, or it will be entirely your fault if you're bludgeoned, and we will be forced to record whether you were blugeoned due in whole or part to your preference for light or dark chocolate on a waxing crescent or waning gibbous moon. Just sayin'.

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  3. your all nuts, all of you, nothing you say makes any sense.. is that part of the plan? or pure self obsession? boring... i'll take some drugs, come back in an hour and maybe it will make sense then**

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  4. Its not getting married that flips the 'nice' switch and reduces aggression.

    Its the regular sex.

    A man will do quite a lot for good sex, especially if his wants are reciprocated.

    maybe married men ARE better at not getting caught, after all, getting caught would ruin the investment they've made with their relationship. They have more to lose, ergo, are more vigilant.

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  5. Married means cheaper rent.

    Case closed.

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  6. And a live in maid/bed warmer.

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  7. man u stupid mutha fuckers always be dooing this shit. stfu

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  8. I agree with Prey and Lycan:
    "married men ARE better at not getting caught"
    For the reasons Lycan said for some i guess would be to protect the family as an investment or because you care about them, i will play my roll as a family man i will protect and provide of course i will not at any time leave my extra curricular activities behind

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  9. Ms Moffit and Pinker Beaver all in one article.
    Am i supposed to take their research seriously?


    wv: vicepet

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  10. @anon 3.47

    Think of something of VALUE to say, and learn to spell you snaggle toothed inbred.

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  11. @medusa

    But cheaper rent with good sex, nice boobs and a warm firm ass is good too.

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  12. man stupid mutha fuckers like u alwayz b sayin that shit

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  13. @anon 4.39

    Lycan, foolish dolts of suspect parentage like yourself are always spouting inane drivel.

    thats what you MEANT to say.....isnt it?

    Go back to playing angry birds on your droid phone you malodorous fucktard.

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  14. Lycan, foolish dolts of suspect parentage like yourself are always spouting inane drivel.

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  15. Maybe it is due to a lack of good sex, nice boobs and a warm firm ass.

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  16. maaaaaaaaan shut yo cracker ass up mutha fucka

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  17. @selene

    You may be onto something there ;_)

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  18. @anon.

    lmfao

    Inbred afro-am trash monkey.

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  19. @selene

    do you posess those traits selene??
    good sex, nice boobs and a warm firm ass)

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  20. Trash Monkey collection agencyAugust 31, 2011 at 5:30 AM

    Detective Ukan is on his way to make a manual insertion of his nightstick up your coloured ringpiece Mr trash monkey.

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  21. Trash monkey collection agencAugust 31, 2011 at 5:34 AM

    Aint nuthin get licked, like a nigger on a stick.

    Get yours TODAY!.
    Buy a family pack so EVERYONE can enjoy one!

    check your local 711 for the new "Nigger on a stick" !

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  22. Lycan is being trolled.
    Waves of enlightenment wash over the mind like a sudden intuitive perception of being alive and then all he saw was bananas.

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  23. Trash monkey collection agencyAugust 31, 2011 at 5:37 AM

    Oh dear.

    I used the "N" word.

    How prejudiced of me!.
    I meant to say 'Coon'.

    sorry about that.

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  24. @anon

    yeah..lmao..I know...but its fun coming up with new and improved ways to insult people :-)

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  26. Lycan needs a good trolling.

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  27. Problem of the day; what to wear in court tomorrow, ha :-)

    Any suggestions? :-)

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  28. @selene
    Troll me baby

    lol

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  29. Little black dress with stiletto heels.

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  30. @david

    I suggest a black tshirt with a mickey mouse picture on it, accompanied by black cargo pants and bright red braces.
    For the feet..black miami loafers without socks.
    Topped off with a black fedora and a cuban cigar.
    The judge will think your libyan and feel sorry for you .

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  31. i like to find something they are uncomfortable with and shove it on their faces thats fun then depending on the reaction i will insult them some more or not usually more

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  32. @selene

    That imagery is too easy...add something of substance to the ensemble selene, something that gets the imagination juices flowing.

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  33. @anon

    yep...that can work quite well at times

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  34. Go all dressed in white to show how pure you are

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  35. yeah...the miami vice look.

    Nothing like a flashed up poofter to get a judge all riled up!

    I have a feeling david will be conservative though and head for a suit.

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  36. lol Lycan,just lol.

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  37. Just lol is better than "what a stupid thing to say Lycan"....

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  38. Mind you selene, a little black dress is much easier to split down the back with my stiletto than an ordinary run-of-the-mill evening dress. Do continue :-)

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  40. Officier UkanezlezianAugust 31, 2011 at 6:38 AM

    This is Detective Ukanezlezian
    You can call me Ukan.
    Yes, I have an Armenian name. Want to make something of it?
    I am doing this part time gig to but water skis.I get so bored that I need to fuck people up and then I get in trouble.
    I am hoping that water skiing will do the trick.
    I will file police reports for the citizens of SW on a periodic basis.
    Back to my donuts and coffee.
    This is Det Ukan; over and out.

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  41. Officier UkanezlezianAugust 31, 2011 at 6:38 AM

    *buy water skis*

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  42. you said you never swear, erin.

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  43. @erin

    do you like to do things for others, excessively? that is a trait of a beeper.

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  44. >The president of the Association of Black Psychologists at the time declared that such research was in itself “a blatant form of stereotyping and racism.”

    More science is racist bullshit.

    Here's another article based around one study:
    http://www.autismwebsite.com/crimetimes/98b/w98bp8.htm

    It asserts that high testosterone (which is partly genetic) and low serotonin (also partly genetic) are causal factors in crime.

    Racist fact of the day: African genetics cause them to have higher average testosterone levels. High testosterone levels are theorized to play a causal factor in crime. One possible reason for the high proportion of African criminals.

    Science which offends people is not bad science. Science != racism

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  45. usually codependents have npd or socio parents that never gave a shit about them. for socios it's the opposite, the socios have codependent parents or maybe one...

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  46. it's my own experience.

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  48. the sociopath is completely self centered and never does a good thing for another.. the bpd is the opposite

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  49. go to havens bpd blog, erin. this is a sociopath forum.

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  51. Genetics are powerful, and should be given more credit than people are willing.
    I think it scares the average control freak to count genetics, because... well isn't that obvious? It is easier for someone to fool themselves into believing they have full control over their environment.
    The role genetics play, sets a thing in motion before we even have a mind to understand control.

    @Erin
    I didn't show anyone my picture. And yes, I own a salon.

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  53. It's a full service salon. Nails included.

    Erin, why are you so interested in me now?

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  55. Humans are quite delusional. Example, we don't attribute 'negative' qualities to animals that we so readily attribute to people. An animal that kills its prey and hoards its food is not considered evil or selfish. But with humans, we place nothing but blame and judgement upon them. When another animal behaves like an animal, we say, that's just natural. When we behave like ourselves, we are told we are unnatural and all wrong. When will we grow out of this self-delusional, self-aggrandising, incorporeal perception of ourselves as something beyond animal, as something beyond the entirely physical composition and drive that is our existence.

    I am not reducing our humanity. But it's only when we see things from their source that we can better appreciate and understand the beauty of being human that is what people get so hooked on like a drug.

    In summary. People need a lesson in humility, and I believe that. The sociopath perhaps, decides to bring us down to our knees to see that. However, there's never just one perspective to be counted.

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  57. I've been on a crime spree since I was fourteen. Back then I did anything. After a while I was with a militant group with a political angle. That got me nothing but prison bars. When I came out of prison I decided I didn't want a political angle anymore, I wanted to use my skills to get power and influence for myself. I learned a lot from that group that I am applying now.
    When I got married I didn't stop doing crime, I just normalised it. Now it's just like I'm leaving for work. I go to sleep in the morning and wake up in the afternoon. My wife cooks me up dinner, and I race off in to the night to make some money.
    I've recently cut a lot of violence out of my life. I've gone from dealing with hundreds of people to just dealing with four very close associates. I've never been caught doing crime in a career sense. When I go outside the day to day operation and use violence that's when things start going haywire. I used to take things way to far. Sometimes I would use coercion so much that I would enjoy the power I got from it more than just simple manipulation. I love to intimidate people. After so many times of going outside the box people would not associate with me or I would get caught.
    I've learned it is better to build a wall around yourself and insulate you from the day to day. There are too many hyenas trying to take down a young lion before he can establish his kingdom. I have to be at such a length where I can make decisions outside of the battlefield instead of making snap decisions in the trenches.

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  58. DON'T EVER REMIND A NARC OR SOCIO ABOUT GENETICS IF THEIR FAMILY ARE LOSERS, I MADE THAT MISTAKE... "I'M A SEPARATE PERSON TO THOSE LOSERS", I HEARD IT OVER AND OVER... but i admit, he is nothing like his family..

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  59. UKan, you use lots of pronoun density, "I, me and myself" Vaknin says that this is a key indicator of a person with pathological narcissism.

    "Obama's pronoun density has doubled between January 20, 2009 and October 2009. It then subsided, though it is still about 50% over the level exhibited during his election campaign. This would seem to indicate that his pathological narcissism has been exacerbated in office as he was probably basking in media attention and the trappings of power. The backlash, such as it was, against several of his more egregious behaviours and faux-pas led him to modify his conduct and pay closer attention to his syntax and grammar: Obama is now acting modest. False modesty is another hallmark of raging, malign"

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  60. UKan, you use lots of pronoun density, "I, me and myself" Vaknin says that this is a key indicator of a person with pathological narcissism.

    Considering I'm talking about myself I think you are looking a little too far into it.

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  61. How funny. I've never seen americans so divided on a president. I'm pretty sure it's because they elected a black president for the first time. Just for kicks I looked up obama narcissist and it came up with all these bloggers with a conservitive spin. It looks like they will come up with anything to discredit this black president. It's funny because your current president looks a lot better than your last one. Bush was closer to narcissist than Obama could ever dream to be. You are talking about delsuions of having god ordain him for power and a man who started two wars and turned every country against you. This goes with my theory that a lot of white americans have a deep seeded hatred for black americans.

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  62. He does seem to fit the npd diagnoses, though. Bush was more of a sociopath, if you ask me.

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  63. How can you differentiate between Obama spending a lot of time trying to keep good public relations through media appearances and Obama trying to feed a desire for attention? I doubt someone who 'Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent (magical thinking).' would succeed so much.

    Bush was nowhere near being sociopathic it's only people who dislike his version of morality that would think that. Bush was a typical bible basher who follows american christian ethics, from the point of view of people with similar ethics he was a saint.

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  64. Every single president, prime minister, or dictator fits a npd diagnoses if you want them to fit the bill. What is funny about your country is that a segment of your white population has gone bannannas trying to find anything negative about this paticular president including saying he has a personality disorder. So far what has he done over there that's negative? He tried to pass a health care bill, tried to pull you out of two wars, and extended unemployment. Doesn't really sound like a narcissist to me.

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  65. >I doubt someone who 'Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent (magical thinking).' would succeed so much.

    Scrap this, there are plenty of examples of people like that doing well. I doubt he has NPD though.

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  66. @nero

    what political leader, if any, would you consider a sociopath?

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  67. Antisocial personality disorder? None

    A lot of political leaders seem to be immoral though e.g. arnold schwarzenegger

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  68. "Antisocial personality disorder? None"


    if you fail to see that muammar gaddafi and various other leaders, aren't psychopaths, then you are deluded. if gaddafi was clinically assessed, he would score 40 on the pcl-r, without a doubt.

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  69. Ok, anonymous let's go through the diagnostic criteria and see how deluded I am.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

    DSM
    1.sure
    2.to some extent
    3.definite no
    4.no
    5.no, disregard for safety of others when they oppose his laws
    6.No
    7.yes


    >he would score 40 on the pcl-r, without a doubt.
    No, he wouldn't even score 20, he doesn't meet the factor 2 criteria.

    FUN FACT: Gaddafi was opposed to the south-african apartheid while the USA still supported it.

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  70. What the hell does that prove, Nero?
    All you know how to do is link to random sites in an attempt to prove your point.

    Why can't ever you think for yourself and construct a decent argument?

    FUN FACT: Ted Bundy once saved a little boy from drowning.

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  71. It proves that they don't have antisocial personality disorder which you critiqued me for saying. It also proves that gaddafi wouldn't score 40 on the pcl-r like you said.

    >All you know how to do is link to random sites in an attempt to prove your point.
    The site I linked to is the definition of antisocial personality disorder which is needed when deciding whether someone fits the criteria.

    >Why can't ever you think for yourself and construct a decent argument?
    I just did think for myself and it was more effective than your attempt to do so.

    Get back primary school you still don't understand the basics of constructing arguments which don't contradict observable reality.

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  72. you provided absolutely no evidence to back up your claims.

    1 - obviously. (2/2)

    2 - he is a serial liar, i could give you multiple accounts of his lies and propaganda. (2/2)

    3 - there is much more evidence to back up the fact that he is impulsive, rather than he isn't. (2/2)

    4 - when have you ever seen someone disagreeing with gaddafi? whilst in his territory, this is a clear indicator that he is quick to become hostile. (2/2)

    5 - gaddafi has never shown to care about libyan citizens, be it children or elders. he has even had made his mercenaries execute children. (2/2)

    6 - he paid the families of suicide bombers, lol? (2/2)

    7 - yes. (2/2)

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    i am certain he would score 40.

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  73. “People in front of tanks were crushed. The unity of China was more important than those people in Tiananmen Square. … When Tiananmen Square happened, tanks were sent in to deal with them. It’s not a joke. I will do whatever it takes to make sure part of the country isn’t taken away.” -- Gaddafi

    Gaddafi gave viagra like drugs to his soldiers so that they could continuously rape civilian women.

    He hired mercenaries to murder civilians, because he knew his police wouldn't kill their own country me.

    “I was the one who created Libya, and I will be the one to destroy it.” -- Gaddafi

    I'm with anon. If this guy is not a psychopath, then psychopathy does not exist.

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  74. I don't care for arguing semantics. Also the I quote

    >'he would score 40 on the pcl-r, without a doubt.'

    Your post is your own assessment of the DSM which is completely different from the pcl-r

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    3 - there is much more evidence to back up the fact that he is impulsive, rather than he isn't. (2/2)

    LOL
    His massive political and monetary success imply someone who is very future oriented.

    >4 - when have you ever seen someone disagreeing with gaddafi? whilst in his territory, this is a clear indicator that he is quick to become hostile. (2/2)

    It shows that his political strategy is to minimise opposition media.

    >5 - gaddafi has never shown to care about libyan citizens, be it children or elders. he has even had made his mercenaries execute children. (2/2)

    Look here:
    http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/LBY.html

    Libya has improved under gaddafi^^

    >6 - he paid the families of suicide bombers, lol? (2/2)
    that's not even relevant to the criteria, You didn't even provide a source.

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  75. >I'm with anon. If this guy is not a psychopath, then psychopathy does not exist.

    Assuming those quotations are accurate, I agree he is very immoral.

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  76. you are either a troll or your trying to create a new version of the pcl-r. you are the only person who would argue that gadaffi isn't a psychopath.

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  77. No anonymous you are using a strawman argument. I said that he would not score 40 on the pcl-r. Anon said that he would score 40.

    Here's one criteria which he doesn't fit.

    5.Lack of realistic, long-term goals


    So no, he wouldn't score 40 on the pcl-r

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  78. 5. Lack of realistic long-term goals


    He would not of succeeded as much as he has if he fit this criteria.

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  79. he was a dictator, if he had have said he was going to become dictator of libya, when he was a boy, his friends and family would have called that unrealistic. this is where the notion comes from you fool, because psychopaths set their goals extremely high. most don't make it so they are termed "unrealistic".

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  80. You've picked out one imaginary example to claim that he had no realistic long-term goals. You're nothing more than a sophist.

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  81. if that didn't make sense to you, nero, nothing will. it was one of the best examples of the "5. Lack of realistic long-term goals" i have seen.

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  82. if you ask ukan where he wants to be in 10 years, he will tell you about him being in a position of immense power. is it unrealistic? probably not.

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  83. 'if you ask ukan where he wants to be in 10 years, he will tell you about him being in a position of immense power. is it unrealistic? probably not.'

    shut up you kiss ass faggot. ukan isn't anywhere near a position of immense power, and 99% of these career criminals go down or get killed in the end.

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  85. BTW ASPD is a cultural dependent diagnoses

    So the leader of saudi arabia 'rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;' under the quran is not ASPD.

    Also:
    'C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years'

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  86. i'm sure even ukan would agree with me that his story probably won't ha a happy ending.

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  88. I thought my end would already have come. Now that I hit 30 I think I just might make it. Especially since I'm making steps to buy legitimate businesses.
    Gaddafi is a psychopath without a doubt. Naming one trait of the pclr that he doesnt fit doesnt rule him out at all. In fact it's quite the opposite. If he is only one trait down on the scale he is scoring pretty high.
    Gadddafi attempted to unify africa under a pan-african federation. His real intention was to make himself a king over all of Africa. The african nations eventually saw through him and decided against the unification. I can remember one leaders quote for his reason why he backed out off the top of my head:
    "Gaddafi has two faces. Evil and evil."
    It is true that he gave his mercenaries aphrodisiacs to rape more women in order to make the population more docile. He also backed several insurgencies against his enemies, including the Provisional Irish Republican Army, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and the Red Army Faction in his early years in order to fight imperialism. However once secure against the threat of Europe, Isreal, and United States he started making strange alliances. Like backing the genocide in Dafur in the name of Islam, but backing Milosevic in Bosnia who was Eastern Orthodox.
    Gaddafi is one of the longest rulers in history. He's stayed in power through cunning. We are talking about a guy who ran training camps for left wing insurgent groups that were destabilizing several first world nation during the cold war. His main weapon has been causing disorder in his enemies countries. The fact that he was able to survive and stay in power through the collapse of the soviet union and the rise of global capitalism is impressive. The age of information however is going to spell the end to a lot of despots.

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  89. Keeping success is the challenge. No one wants to see someone they hate obtain success, so of course they don't want them keeping it.

    If anything, when Obama was elected, racists may have been angry that he would have a moment of victory, but were at the very least; happy to open that window of opportunity, to slander him into failure as far as in the public eye.

    He was doomed from the beginning. No matter what he does for this country, he will not receive credit for successes.

    Same goes for this forum. If you are a known sociopath, you will not get credit here for your success. The majority will find some way to slander you, or attribute your success to some kind of fluke, and go on believing you couldn't possibly keep it.

    Face it. You're just a _______, and therefor by nature, doomed to failure.

    Keep lying to yourselves :)

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  90. Crime and violence are prevalent in places that are impoverished, Nero. Your arguement that blacks are predispositioned to crime based on being african is ignorant. Wikipedia notes are not sufficient to reading the entire account of world history rather than small selection to try to prove your point.
    Throughout history many people have been conquered and enslaved. When a civilization is conquered and enslaved they will not progress. How long it takes for their culture or civilization to recover culturally, socially, and economically is dependant upon several enviromental factors.
    In your country, Nero, blacks have made it out of being second class citizens for how long? Sixty years. In a historical perspective that is barely a breath. It is no coincidence that your prison system is the largest in the world, and it's filled with people who were just barely free from discriminatory practices. Your country still has a very large part of the population that is still against blacks like you and your parents. They are further enraged by having a black president.
    I lived in a poor neighborhood and it made me lean towards a life of crime. That's usually the way it goes.

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  91. If you are a known sociopath, you will not get credit here for your success. The majority will find some way to slander you, or attribute your success to some kind of fluke, and go on believing you couldn't possibly keep it.

    Yes indeed. There are many on here that kept saying that I wouldn't make it, that my girlfriend would leave me, that my dog would bite me, that I would be dead or in prison. Yet here I am married, with my dog sleeping on my feet, free as a bird, in a house I could only dream of and hardly doing any work at all. I don't listen to the negative nay sayers. People like that always lose in life.

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  92. Credit, where credit is due UKan.

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  93. what a boring... load... of crap.

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  95. Flash your tits, Erin. It might just warm things up a bit.

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  97. @Erin

    lol

    I said yesterday... if you wanted to see my picture, it would be all to easy to find me.

    Where do you think that might be Erin?

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  100. What do you mean you e-mailed me?

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  102. JESUS WHEATLEY!!!! why couldn't you let her figure it out on her own?!

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  103. you're pretty hot, eden.

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  104. >Naming one trait of the pclr that he doesnt fit doesnt rule him out at all

    Slightly disguised straw-man argument. We were disputing whether he would score 40.

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  105. anything you don't like is a strawman argument... shut your fucking trap, nero.

    you claimed that gaddafi wasn't a psychopath at all, now you've altered you argument so that you don't have to answer ukan's and everyone else's points.

    you. are. weak. minded.

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  106. I have one very compelling argument in favor of the 'genetic disposition does not a criminal make' theory. Ready?

    The Commonwealth of Australia (or just Australia)

    Unrelated: I just heard I've failed my first year in college, yay!

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  107. "It proves that they don't have antisocial personality disorder"

    "No, he wouldn't even score 20, he doesn't meet the factor 2 criteria."

    that was your point, idiot.

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  108. "Unrelated: I just heard I've failed my first year in college, yay!"

    guess you should have worked harder, it shouldn't be hard for a guy as smart as you.

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  109. @UKan 11:27
    >When a civilization is conquered and enslaved they will not progress. How long it takes for their culture or civilization to recover culturally, socially, and economically is dependant upon several enviromental factors.

    African Americans are actually better off now than if their ancestors had not been captured. They've progressed due to being enslaved. The lifestyle of African Americans is far superior to the lifestyles they would be living had they stayed in Africa.

    >Your country still has a very large part of the population that is still against blacks like you and your parents.

    I live in England and socialize with black people, neither of my parents are racist. My position is that Africans make lower quality immigrants than Asians.

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  111. @3:18
    >that was your point, idiot.
    That wasn't the point he was referring to idiot

    >you claimed that gaddafi wasn't a psychopath at all

    I claimed that he wouldn't fit the factor 2 criteria of the pcl-r not that he wouldn't fit any of the criteria.

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  113. Ironically, that's exactly the reason I didn't work as hard as I should have.

    I did this very superficial communications-class, which touched lightly on a multitude of subjects (web design, marketing, event management), and it was just extremely boring. I only chose it because it was so varied, and I had zero idea what else to do. Also at fault is that I had no idea what college actually 'meant'.

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  114. @Erin

    I have never talked to you outside of this blog... not ever! Why would you think I have?

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  115. @Nero

    You can't use terms such as 'advanced', 'complex', 'better off' and superior interchangeably. Being 'better of' just because you can look at a lot of Europium changing colour (TV) is completely subjective.

    Arguably, in the long run, complexity is not a merit. See for example ants, which haven't changed these past 150.000.000 years and are doing pretty well; and humans, who've been around for only two of those 150 million years and, frankly, aren't doing so well as they like to tell themselves.

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  119. @Erin

    I don't email people I don't know, for idle chat. Has someone emailed you under my name?

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  121. @wheatley

    >Being 'better of' just because you can look at a lot of Europium changing colour (TV) is completely subjective.

    Their lifestyle is superior from a utilitarian perspective, less malnutrition, disease and a higher standard of living.

    >See for example ants, which haven't changed these past 150.000.000 years and are doing pretty well.

    In terms of surviving.

    >humans, who've been around for only two of those 150 million years and, frankly, aren't doing so well as they like to tell themselves.

    The population of humans has increased by more than two thousand percent in 2000 years, they are doing great by the same criteria you set out for ants. Although advances in technology may cause an early extinction.

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  122. I understand that malnutrition, disease and a higher standard of living are all subjective preferences but it is irrelevant the point is they are a majority preference.

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  123. No.
    Erin, I'm too lazy, and disinterested to go hunting for people.

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  125. LOL I'm looking for an argument with wheatley, this is almost as pathetic as the anon from earlier.

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  126. People propose marriage for either the financial gain(lower rent, I agree Medusa) or in order to take the other off the market. If ur a breeder, I reckon that'd be another kettle o fish.

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  127. @Erin

    You really do have the mind of a child in some ways. Don't lose your fucking head when I say this but... you're kind of growing on me.

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  129. @Eden Ralene

    you're kind of growing on me.

    Like a carbuncle that hurts when you rub it on a shoe, and when you bash it against a low sofa?

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  130. @erin

    Have you passed on your details to ME?

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  131. @erin

    I see you are still alive.

    that kinda disappoints me ...

    I guess you checked the meter board.
    pity, the precognitive death of a self professed psychic would have really given the SW some great publicity.
    Can I induce you to insert a knife into your toaster then perhaps?.

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  132. @Nero

    Maybe so, but they did get a lot of new problems as well, including but not limited to: obesity (and I'm purposefully ignoring the 'They can just choose not to eat' argument), all kinds of new dangers (car accidents, firearms, terrorism and nuclear holocaust, to name a few), materialism and all the worrying that comes with it, racism and living in what can be considered to be a police-state, not to mention that the ones that hit rock-bottom, really hit rock-bottom.

    And I said "as they like to tell themselves" to avoid you saying something like that. But honestly? Do you think that having the option to thermonuclearly vapourize every human accomplishment within hours, is better than not having said option at all?

    It's really an interesting argument (complexity versus simplicity), because at its core lies 'ignorance is bliss'. I'm not advocating all of humanity going back to houses made of literal and figurative shit, I'm just saying that you can't objectively say one is better than the other.

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  133. Goddammit this is going to be a long day.
    thanks to an anon I now have a preoccupation with killing trash monkeys.
    Davids off somewhere trying on fairy suits for his court appearance, medusas hiding, and Ukans off somewhere doing ukan things.
    I hate slow days sometimes.

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  134. @wheatley
    I'm not advocating all of humanity going back to houses made of literal and figurative shit,

    why not?

    If they could find a decent polymer that makes shit durable then the worlds housing problems would cease and fat people would make a mint from faeces.

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  135. @Nero

    Ad hominem? You really are the worst (HA! SELF-PARODYING. HOW META!)

    @Lycan

    You and I both know what I meant. :)

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  136. I haven't met a single adult who hasn't committed a crime. If you want to argue recidivism, sure, sociopaths and psychopaths take the cake. In a world where so much is illegal, crime is inevitable. Sociopaths and psychopaths have no regard for the pseudo-sanctity imbued upon the machinations of population control.

    Law, religion, social norms, common courtesy, these things mean nothing to me. They never have, and after several decades, I think I can honestly say they never will.

    You can either work for the system, or make the system work for you. That's what we do, and why the 50%+ of us that never grace a prison cell do so well.

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  138. @TNP
    Have you ever had a long term relationship with a woman whom you really loved?

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  139. @Lycan
    That would be fun :)

    No more death by electrocution in bathtub, or death by electrocution in toaster jokes?

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  140. Erin, to answer that I'd need to know how you define love.

    Second of all, you don't have BPD. There is another PD out there similar to it that you might have, though. I was in a long-term relationship with a gal who had it, and you are nothing like one. At all. You've got problems, but you don't have BPD.

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  144. @Erin Hi
    @Eden, you are correct, empathy is not pity. In the heat of the moment, I equated the two because empathy usually leads to pity. I work at a University, so my mind is usually mollified by all the idiots I am surrounded by. Please excuse me. So Eden, what's you PD, or are you just a tourist? Please don't take that as an insult.

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  145. I'm not going to tell you what you have. I might be wrong, after all. I'm not a clinical psychologist, and you're not my patient.

    But you don't have BPD. That much is certain.

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  146. Theres BPD and NPD Borderline & Narcissist both are similar but Erin is no narcissist

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  147. There's also over sensitive pretentious teenager who can't even use the manual properly

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  148. Don't forget trigger-happy psychiatrist diagnosing people with disorders they barely fit in order to minimize the risk that they get blamed for not predicting a patients suicide.

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  149. I'm fucking dissapointed SW you didn't call me out on so many of my errors today. shame on you.

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  150. "'ignorance is bliss'
    Indeed"

    Yup, you have no idea how stupid you look to everyone else, it's sad really.

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  151. Was that an Ad Populum?

    LOL and you are the same anonymous that scored the DSMs criteria out of 40 because you thought it was the pcl-r. Strawman- argument in every post.

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  152. Nope, different anon, carry on making a fool of yourself...

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  153. @TNP
    Give me a hint. What letter does it begin with?

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  154. >Nope, different anon, carry on making a fool of yourself...

    Carry on making a fool of yourself by expecting people to think you are telling the truth over the internet. You have the same literary style and are the only person here motivated to try and argue with me. Fail

    By Daniel Birdick
    >You are probably right about the Wikipedia thing, by the way. I will go back and take a look at those links you mentioned in a bit.

    >Wow! Thinking of your future by trying to get your dad to change his will! That is most impressive Nero.

    >. I love how you play your mom too. Do she see how smart you are?



    YOU

    Yup, you have no idea how stupid you look to everyone else, it's sad really.
    The most credible poster here doesn't think I look stupid, not that I care for your childish approval seeking.

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  155. @Pregnant Question for Medusa
    OK, first of all, I am not trying to be a jerk.
    We,all, have something wrong with us, some PD or prolly a few in a PD soup.
    So, having said that, I want to ask you something.
    I think you have classic Narcissism.I have noticed a peculiar trait in N's.
    They will Gaslight someone out the whazoo. They will twist the person until the person does know which way is up.

    Then, they will be nice and helpful at times and be surprised that the person harbors ill will toward them.

    I have seen this time and time, again in N's.

    What is the deal with this, do you think?

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  156. I won't be replying to trolls anymore. For arguments which are obviously fallacious I will just name the fallacy they are using.

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  157. Nero i dont think anybody gives a shit LOL

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  158. BTW the people being hailed as freedom fighters in libya are racist and worse than gaddafi, they are exterminating Africans. LOL mainstream media fail as usual and none of their viewers care.

    http://www.thezimbabwemail.com/zimbabwe/8890-libyan-rebel-ethnic-cleansing-and-lynching-of-black-people.html

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  159. Reading erins texts its liek reading a poem you interpret it in whatever way you want its aawesome

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  161. Heh. Nero still hasn't realised that Daniel was stringing him along. And the best you can do is name drop people who despise you? You remind me so much of Adam.

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  162. I noticed that, too, Misanthrope. Daniel played him without really even having to do anything.

    Ah Nero, I think you should just sit back for a while. No one can be bothered to argue with your idiocy anymore.

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  163. Yeah. And Nero forgot to mention what Daniel said next:

    "Ok, thank you for playing little nero. You have basically confirmed what I thought of you. And then some."

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  164. I find it even funnier that he went through the trouble of sorting through old and very long posts just to find that stuff.

    Desperation.

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  165. trolls everywhere

    >Daniel played him
    Except he didn't profit anything

    @ misanthrope
    taken out of context


    poor quality trolling

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  166. It would motivate me to utilize introspection, self-analysis, and find out myself instead of being a lazy, and at the core, apathetic piece of shit.

    You aren't BPD. Figure it out. That's my only hint.

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  168. The only profit to be hoped for here is amusement. And sometimes that's just enough.

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  169. Erin
    Fuck off and die
    signed Nero

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  170. Medusa why would I don't think speaking to you is worth my time untill you admit hitler dislike jews. Do not try and act like you didn't say that he didn't.

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  171. So you admit that those nice little remarks he made about you weren't genuine? Daniel did profit from fooling you, as you can see it's still paying off today.

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  172. ^yeh, it's a typo, don't get too excited.

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  173. @Nero
    What in Heavens name did I ever do to you?

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  174. I don't get why people expect to bond with other people that you only know over the internet.

    It's just weird to me.

    Some people have years-long romantic relationships this way. I do not understand.

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  175. Heh. Your PD is showing, has been the last few comments, and you don't even realize it. Fucking hilarious.

    Fact is, Erin, we've known what you are since you arrived. But the fact that you're oblivious to it is morbidly amusing. Maybe someday someone will tell you. But it won't be me.

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  176. Nero, since you are so fond of digging through old posts, I invite you to go back and find exactly where I said that.

    Until then, just shut the fuck up.

    Even if you do bring up the topic again, I will likely ignore you.

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  177. Medusa why would I don't think speaking to you is worth my time

    LOL FAILZ

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  178. @TNP
    Ok I will ask the Divine Miss M who will give me the good news with relish.
    Miss M, pwease, what am I ?

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  179. '@Nero
    What in Heavens name did I ever do to you?'

    sometimes erin is just funny, that's why i don't mind her (:

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  180. @mensch

    I don't stake any claims to having a PD. I know what I am without a diagnosis, yet unlike so many here, I Was diagnosed with the same PD twice within a decade. The first time can't be counted.

    That being said, and without any delusions or denial, I know I fit the criteria, and still believe it may just be that I come from such a violent background. Every one of my siblings has been diagnosed with some kind of PD.

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  181. "Bush was closer to narcissist than Obama could ever dream to be. You are talking about delsuions of having god ordain him for power and a man who started two wars and turned every country against you. This goes with my theory that a lot of white americans have a deep seeded hatred for black americans."

    Quoted for Truth

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  183. Forget it, Guys
    I will ask someone in private, if I ever talk to him.

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  184. "if gaddafi was clinically assessed, he would score 40 on the pcl-r, without a doubt."

    He would score, like, 41. Stalin would be 42 because, you know, no one beats Stalin.

    Except for Gengis Kahn. Or maybe Attila.

    Hitler's just a big Narc. He's whiny to no end.

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  185. I read your comment, Erin. My stance does not change. I will never tell you. Figure it out on your own, don't come asking us for approval when you finally find your shiny new label.

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  187. @Erin

    HISTRIONIC PD

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  188. @Erin

    What kind of PD do the stars say you have? ;p

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  189. The child-turned-adult keeps looking for narcissists in order to feel whole, alive and wanted. He craves to be treated by a narcissist narcissistically. What others call abuse is, to him or her, familiar territory and constitutes Narcissistic Supply. To the Inverted Narcissist, the classic narcissist is a Source of Supply (primary or secondary) and his narcissistic behaviours constitute Narcissistic Supply. The IN feels dissatisfied, empty and unwanted when not "loved" by a narcissist.

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  190. No one wants to see a tacky shirt gracing your malnourished, shriveled and underdeveloped childlike body.

    Now go figure it out and stop talking about it. Chop chop.

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  191. P - provocative (or seductive) behavior
    R - relationships, considered more intimate than they are
    A - attention, must be at center of
    I - influenced easily
    S - speech (style) - wants to impress, lacks detail
    E - emotional lability, shallowness
    M - make-up - physical appearance used to draw attention to self
    E - exaggerated emotions - theatrical

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