I feel like your personal explanations would need to be further elaborated. Unless intended for readers to simply ponder their own. Either way, the source site is humorous.From the same site:http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/familiar.jpghttp://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/classhole.jpg
Not seeing the forest because of the trees basically means paying too much heed to the details and not being able to grasp the situation/concept because of it.Were I to make a statement that directly correlates to the comic and this blog, it would be the facade of the sociopath. Losing someone in the trees, so to say, as they're blind to what all is really going on because you (the sociopath) is making sure it stays that way. Selling and seducing you with an image of who you want them to think you are, as they're too busy observing the trees you present when they're smack dab, lost in the middle of the forest.Bloody art interpretation.
It's rude to come on here Loki without introducing yourself, would I do it on your blog?
lol Anon, i chuckled. :)Yay! I'm off to get some pills people. Mission almost accomplished. My head shall be screwed on again in a few hours.laters.
Okay, go swallow your false courage. :)
Sociopaths are usually born into a family full of douchebags, it's funny when they think you are the "nice one" because you don't walk around wearing your bad attitude like they do.
What is that "finally" supposed to mean? Does it mean that he would much rather see the details instead of the whole picture or what? What is the whole picture supposed to mean ?
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I don't get it...
I'd concur with Aerianne. Nothing much to read into it, and I don't think the "forest for the trees" thing was in the artist mind.You are welcome to read into it what you wish though, as ME did (consciously, it seems, which is the point of this blog post ("Because there is always more than one possible explanation")), there's no crime in that.
If there was a "forest for the trees" intent, which I suppose is possible now that I've perused the site and noted the tone of the other comics, the artist didn't do a very good job of using the full metaphor.
I just took it at face value too. But then I thought...who is the character, the empath or the sociopath? I guess it's meant to be the sociopath. But it could be viewed in other ways. My son saw it when he was standing here and asked me..."how come he has no face?" I thought that was funny.How extreme is it? Sometimes when people are depressed they can forget stuff. But if it's more extreme, doesn't matter if it's a sociopath or not, it needs to be looked at.
Sounds to me that it was because the conversation was about him in his mind, not about you, Aerianne.He had some need to talk about himself, doesn't matter how many times you've discussed it before, or even who he was talking to. I doubt he really forgot.Of course, this is all just conjecture and I could easily be totally wrong. But seeing that you are here on this site, and have been for a while now, it doesn't seem so far fetched.I guess it could be medical... but it seems a stretch.
Sometimes it's good to get lost in the forest with no one to help you out but yourself.
Starting college can be stressful and cause an overload of thinking...which can cause forgetting. But yes it's good for him to tell the doctor.
That makes a lot of sense Aerianne. Those meds can do that by slowing processes down...or speeding them up depending on what works well. You cannot know until he gives you feedback so hang in there.
"Sociopaths are usually born into a family full of douchebags, it's funny when they think you are the "nice one" because you don't walk around wearing your bad attitude like they do."i find this to be very true.
Sociopathy does mellow with age. That just means he will be less impulsive, that doesn't mean he loses his marbles all together. The text thing I think your reading too much into. Sounds more like: "Let me act like I'm going to listen to you, NO WAIT, let's talk more about ME!"
my socio friend keeps telling me the same things about him over and over. i let him roll, wondering at what point he'll remember already having told me, but he never does. these must be the same things he's cycling in his head over and over again. mostly his past success stories and ambivalent thoughts on what next.
That was my interpretation of what ME was alluding to, by the way. Not the creator of XKCD.For me personally, I usually want to strangle someone who tells the same stories over and over again. Is it pride, or memory? I have no idea. I usually ask people if they've heard this story before if I think I might have told them.
Romanian song :) for notme especially
Mike, are you a gypsy?
I'm in your momma.
My girlfriend says I tell her the same stories over and over. Dont you get it people, they are epic stories.
AnonymousIt's rude to come on here Loki without introducing yourself, would I do it on your blog?How would you prefer I make my entrance?
Usually by trolling, Loki! That's the modus operandi around here.
aerienne, this is not a memory loss issue. this is an it's all about me issue. there are socios who can make up new stories, but those who don't have that sort of imagination will tell the same over and over. my little niece loves me to repeat her stories from even younger years. again she says. again. children in socios are well-kept.
Thanks for sharing that, Mike. Sort of, electronic music with a folksy background beat?Now I wanna play some Tetris...
MedusaUsually by trolling, Loki! That's the modus operandi around here.Alright well, I suppose I'll start with something I've never said out loud before. I am a young sociopath. I came upon this site over a month ago. The only explanation for my reaction when I read the premise and a few articles was... Home. I had never felt that before, anywhere, and it was the first feeling I'd had about anything in a long time (over 2 years).Being in early adulthood, I understand that some of the things mentioned on this blog don't quite apply to me. It made me question if I was a sociopath. However, my psychologist said otherwise. My parents forced me to schedule appointments and attend regular sessions after I told them that school had become so mundane I no longer attended classes (including test dates) [It was a minor glitch in the plan, and I only took the semester off.]My psychologist told me he could no longer treat me, as I am not treatable. I could not be classified into typical ASPD as there was no history of violence or vandalism/destruction, but I enjoy it. A lot. When I told him about how I enjoyed slashing tires, setting properties a blaze while the wonderous scent of gasoline streaks through the air, or even committing white collar type crimes (insurance fraud, etc.), he asked if I felt remorse at all. I had to fight the urge to laugh. The realization set in (or so I assume), and the diagnosis was made.Does this suffice?
No, go ahead and tell us more.
Loki, don't take the rude Anon seriously.WelcomeAnd don't tell anything you don't want throw back at you when you least expect it.
Mikethanks for that. I liked it even though i only understood the word, 'soundcheck'. :)Aerianne, all I can say is that depression can feel like it sort of eats away at your brain cells. Not pretty, and like Grace said, it causes repetitive behaviour and forgetfulness. For me, it's not really long-term memories that are affected particularly, but the short-term ones. (although i can draw a blank with both occasionally).You can become scatter-brained etc. But it's not always a constant state unless it's severe depression. It can come and go.I do hope he gets things together though, whatever his problems.Also, it does sounds like there's an obsessive or dissociative streak that he's showing there. I would check it out, it doesn't sound that healthy.I'm not saying there's a solution though. It's a 'quirk.' lol.Good luck. Don't fret
Loki, none of us come here because we call it home, or we want to fit in. We are just bored out of our minds, well i am. And why the heck would you slash a tire? That's retarded.
I believe I said because I enjoy it. It turns out that when you aren't caught, nothing bad happens. Funny how the world works.
Very well, whatever, i don't know how you could cut a tire and enjoy it, you don't get a reaction. I'm annoying you now because I'm getting a reaction, you see where I'm coming from?
Heh, not really. It's funny. Besides, a "reaction" does not seem like something that can be concretely defined, as you attempted to do.
I don't think it's boredom for me. I actually like coming here to see what's going on with everyone and I usually learn something. Maybe that's not a good thing..don't know.
Oh great, another GagReflex.
Egocentric people can't learn from anyone but authority.
I'd agree with Loki, as far as considering this place an odd sort of locale on the net that feels sort of like... I'm not sure Home is the right word. Natural, perhaps. It's sort of odd reading all those articles that sound like they're a day in your own life, and something you considered secret. There's just too much in common for me not to be attracted.Vandalizing is fun. Stupid fun, sure, but fun nonetheless. What, anon, have you no desire to destroy? Odd.
Nope, i never enjoyed vandalizing property, I'm a bully. I victimize my whole family, breaking objects does nothing for me.Word - obey (Serious)
I like this post. The symbolism is highly accurate. Its a perfect depiction of the sociopath relationship.
Are you more covert with your manipulation? Or do you control with your anger? Most psychopaths use fear to control, for me all it takes is a look to the people that know me, its amazing how they stick around me.
Hucan putup witim, are you UKan's girl?
i second hukan. it is that just when you thought you meant a lot to the guy he pulls that finally on you, socio stab when least expected
Loki, good to have you here. Stay and tell more, without giving any specifics about yourself, and without getting hurt once the insults start. Once the rage starts it comes from every direction. Are you on any medication that we should know of? Enough supply on hand?
Interesting theme here of socios retelling stories.I made a conscious choice when I was still a kid to try to minimize the overlap of my repeated stories. By that I mean I'll only tell a story someone has heard before if there're other people present who never heard it. If you can get the story really impressed upon people you spend time with they end up telling the story for you and I've found it's far more compelling to act modest while the people around you try to explain some particular episode of your life.I've wondered off topic now though. I see people retelling the same stories all the time and they aren't sociopaths. People seem to tell a story, get a decent reaction and then add it to a short list of stories they tell people. Then this short list comes up every time an applicable situation arises. I fucking hate it. "What, we're talking about bad work experiences? I better tell you about the old lady who put dog shit on my desk!" never mind these people all heard it before. One of a long list of things that make me walk away from people or cut them off. Or alternatively you make them feel stupid about retelling it a few times and it seems to disapear from their list of go-to stories.
I always repeat myself, even my jokes never change.
It's interesting that you had self awareness as a kid Unmasked, I'm middle aged and i still have very little.
It's when the stories change you know the person is full of shit.
That's not her
My use of the word kid may be relative here. I wasn't six - more like sixth grade maybe, definitely before I'd finished 8th so in the range of 11-14. It was around sixth grade that I started consciously watching how other kids interacted in order to emulate their successful methods. I'm sure I did the mimic learning humans all do before that but I remember making the conscious decision then. That likely played a role in my awareness of personal image control.
AnonymousAre you on any medication that we should know of? Enough supply on hand?That you should know of? Lol. I'll tell you though. Currently my psychiatrist is still fooled into thinking I have ADHD. I told her a sob story about how my family has no medical insurance and for some reason she doesn't charge me for half of my visits. I don't need the medication other than for studying. I'm in med school, so it's necessary.
I don't know why people say psychopaths make up huge lies when they talk to others, sure i exaggerate my talents to the point of lying, but my lies are small and compulsive.
The Narc that I work with tells things that happen to other's as it was her, like when I was served papers for People's Court and right in front of me tells someone that it happened to her. I get even and expose her when she least expects it.
is it possible for a sociopath to have body dysmorphia? Sociopaths care alot about the image right?
sure i exaggerate my talents to the point of lying, but my lies are small and compulsive.And what does that achieve?
It keeps me out of trouble.
Your psychiatrist is fooled? I thought you toldem you were a sociopath and he shot it down. Why did he say you were not a sociopath?
oh, boy... a bipolar nurse, and a socio doc. Grace meets Loki.
GRK, the psychiatrist in the story is a woman.
oh, boy... a bipolar nurse, and a socio doc.You say that like you don't think it's ever happened before.
Loki said...The realization set in (or so I assume), and the diagnosis was made.The male psychiatrist diagnosed you a sociopath?Currently my psychiatrist is still fooled into thinking I have ADHD. Now, the female thinks you have ADHD?
Pay close attention to details. My psychologist diagnosed me, and I no longer see him. My psychiatrist supplies me with amphetamines for my "ADHD". The difference is a medical degree and a license to distribute pharmaceutical drugs.
Go get 'em Loki.
Anon, how do you know about me being a nurse? I don't think I mentioned that recently...not that I recall. I guess you've been around for a while. I didn't notice. “oh, boy... a bipolar nurse and a socio doc. Grace meets Loki.”Look at it this way Anon..if you ever end up on the psych ward we may be there to help you.
Copious amounts of trolling brings about high levels of suspicion.
yeah, like another Anon said, the slashing tires thing really is retarded. i get how "sociopaths" are supposed to be big and bad and outside the norm but i bet if Dahmer or Manson walked by and saw you doing that, they'd think you rode the short yellow bus to school and not that you were a socio in training..;and we already know those two bastards is as crazy as it gets.
I remember that. Anon has been trolling too long.
A tire slashing doctor, LOL
Anon probably has a profile on every one of us. How flattering.
Pretty sure I've seen Loki post before.
We anons call the shots here.
no you don't. How so?Without the rest of us you'd have nothing to entertain yourself with. You'd be bored out of your little skull.
I'm changing my name.
Baby ur a fiiiiiiiire woork
I'm selfish. I'd rather be entertained than entertain anyone else. Listening to old rap. I don't even know who it is..
Who's a fire work? Notme?
TrollsAre Big and Scary
Doesn't concern me all that much. I'm sure if I saw Dahmer and Manson getting carted off by the police, I'd say the same about their actions.
I out-trolled a master troll today. It was intense, but fun. WV: gyncho. Gyn + psycho. Etymologically relevant to troll topic.
The comic has a relation to psychopathy in that the psychopaths attention deficit means that they don't process "the big picture" or as much information (specifically emotion inducing information) because they are only attending to goal relevant information.
i have a dilema. my folks want me to settle down but only problem is i'm not attracted to this guy, he's not my time. i'll gladly settle for a decent looking guy but i find him slightly ugly according to my physical standards. should i marry the ugly guy who is well educated and will provide financial stability, and a rich lifestyle alah housewives series on Bravo network or should i wait for someone in the future who is attractive and who i'll fall in love with? i feel no chemistry or connection with this guy. i would like to marry for love. i'm afraid of being one of those women in their late 40s, still single, with no children because they refused to settle down with the average or ugly joe. but i know myself, i would be miserable with someone i'm not romantically attracted to. he doesn't have to be an oil painting, but he at least has to be tall and handsome. i don't know if i'm missing out on a once in a lifetime opportunity being that this guy and i were introduced by chance. my folks think it's God's doing, but i'm more skeptical and cautious.
*not my type*
Socio ex retells same stories a LOT. Known among friends for doing so. He always playfully says "Gimme break, I'm old&forgetful" verbatim *every* time he repeats something and his attention is called to it. He sent me an email yesterday. Thanks to being here I was immediately suspicious of his motivation. I just moved back to my hometown last week and this is when we had previously planned on me moving in with him. I projected that he wanted to know if I had indeed moved back anyway(I guess so he would be prepared in case we run into each other). Sure enough, he exchanged texts with me until I affirmed I had moved and then abruptly stopped texting.
marry this guy and fuck his driver.
Marry him with a good pre-nup. If you can't learn to like him, cheat discretely.He might be ugly, but then again, he might be good in bed. Lights off and such.If he's ugly, has a terrible personality, and is bad in bed, then, well, I don't think I need to fill in that blank.What type of ugly are we talking about here? Disfigured? Bad teeth? Fat? If he's fat, that can be fixed. If he has terrible eyes/face, well, you're kinda screwed.
Someone is bored....lol
i need advice said...You're kidding right?
Ugly helps justify the cheating (and gold-digging)... if you have that kind of mind set.
Why would "i need advice" be kidding? Everyone knows that it's not random chance that a confused young women end up on sociopathworld asking for matrimonial advice.
One more nugget of wisdom: Marry for money and you earn every penny.
this guy is in another country. how do i know he's not using me for a green card? even though the marriage would be mutually benefical because of the wealth his occupation would bring.he looks as if he needs botox to straighten out a few frowns, wrinkles, and lines and he's only in his thirties. yuck
As if she read the comments here and thought someone could help???
yes. i read the comments Grace. i've been a reader for what? two, years now? you guys are ruthless. so i need a ruthless opinion, a straight shooter if you will. i don't trust my insticts right now regarding this issue even though my insticts have never failed me
Multiple people have given you advice. Are we not addressing a point?wv:magicHeh
yes Notable, your advice was good, so was Anon and the every penny parable. and Ukan's made me laugh but cheating would be out of character for me.
if the guy is rich he could get us citizenship by opening up a business, does not really need you. what's the real story here, potential gold digger?
Alright then. Here it is.If you have the right to judge an older man as ugly because of some wrinkles, want to marry for love, and do not cheat, then don't bother. If you're actually good looking, there are other fish in the sea.Do you want a marriage of convenience, or the marriage you really want? That's not a rhetorical question.Do lack the confidence and or ability to bag someone who can make some coin and fill your lusty desires? If you can't pull that off, then you may as well give up on life. Let "God's Plan" go through, get married to an ugly husband, get fat, have lots of terrible little kids and be happy that you had free rent. Fucking pathetic.
if you are over female, over 30 and still single, marry asap. if not good divorce soon after that and get this marriage thing over with.
It's not real Ukan. Someone's pulling your chain.
i ask the same thing Ukan, why is he looking for an american wife when he can go through an alterior route like you just stated. he might be trying to use me to gain easier access, "by marriage" into the country. his relative that lives here ran into a relative of mine and gave me his number overseas so we can open up a line of communication and see where things go. to be brutally honest, my insticts is telling me to run to the nearest exit.
Whether something is "real" or not is of little consequence here where opinions are like ass holes only infinitely less appealing.
if you feel threatened don't do it, if you feel you can turn this into money and stay in the marriage a short while do it. is he much older?notme... get off, get some medication and calm yourself down, world detective, what difference does the title make, you bird brain
i know this sounds absolutely cruel and immature of me, but how can you lie in bed with a man you find physically unattractive? How can you then do it for years and years? Oh, sorry, you divorce him as Ukan says and get his money? Well, that's something i'd never do. You gotta be as desperate as a tramp or a socio to do that. What are your priorites 'i need advice' and what are your chances of finding that 'perfect' love you are talking about?What do you want? then do the math.Thanks Ukan, love you too honey.
Cashed any checks from Ethiopia lately?
*Nigeria (whatever the scam is)
@ notable, i think my mother said the same thing you did-in a more motherly tone offcourse. i read all the advice so thanks to everyone who commented on it. for the record, i found this blog during a bad breakup with an ex who i suspected was a sociopath, that coupled with my interest in psychology, you would be amazed at the different types of people that read this blog being that this site is pretty high on google's search engine. adios.
be well. wait, before you go tell us who should leave with you.
@ Ukan, he's a little older. @ not me. read my earlier post, everything i want in an ideal marriage, i listed already.
Last four comments made by UKan is GRK. He is to ashamed to use his name after he got exposed as a skanger with a mullet who loves his dogs and grandma.
when i say what are your priorities i meant specifically three things, since this is the shit that makes the world go around.is it kids, money (security) or companionship?When you define what is most important, you'll have your answer. If all three are crucial to you, as I'd expect they are, then wait it out, and see what comes around the corner.
Having kids, money and companionship don't have a thing to do with having love.
maybe i wasn't clear,how about this then. make your OWN money then marry for love, wherever you find it.OR wait for a wealthy man to fall in love with.OR fall in love with a poor guy andstruggle, but you'll have what you want.OR, follow the above advice from Notable. Since he puts things a lot better than I do.WV sings
Anon marriage are you still on?
my favorite voice
Appreciate the spot Notme. Didn't expect you to be the spotter honestly. Hope you know it was nothing personal on that thing the other day. If it makes you feel any better I will use just about anyone that's convienent for me.
please, take ----- with you as you leave
You do an extremely pathetic impersonation of UKan.
Did you think I'd take it back if you are wrong? Silly girl. You can use your name.
You pathetic piece of shit. You aren't UKan and that's obvious to all. Nobody is fooled.
Not sure why anyone would get married before the age of 30. Sound like circumcising the penis that is life, if you ask me.
I need Advice: Why even ask us at all. It seems you already know what you should do. You have listed all the reasons why you shouldn't and one reason you should: your parents approval. Is your parents approval worth throwing your life away for a chance that some ugly foreign guy will keep you for his whole life? When did you get to this low in a quest to seek approval from others? Now you will become a whore to your insecurities? If I had respect for someone who would do such a thing I would call it pitiful.Life in prison to win approval? Why don't you hit a couple of bank jobs and risk a little less time. Upon your success in that department maybe you will dig up the courage to approve of yourself and not give a flying fuck what other people think. Hell you might even impress your parents since you have a bunch of money. You can say you started your own business.Of course, you can always opt for getting fucked by some sweaty foriegner your whole life. Just blank out and stare at the roof. He should be a quickie.
All my metaphors are a little off today. A sociopathworldie has shown up at the place where the troll got trolled. Hooray
You must be incredibly proud.
@ the real Ukan?it's called fear, fear that if i take the blue pill, my life will turn out this way but if i take the red pill my life will turn out that way. i don't know about you, but i take every stage of my life seriously. if you knew me in real life, you'd know i'm the last to care about what anybody thinks. including my parents. but that doesn't mean that i do not value their wisdom. i'm attractive yes, i have no problem meeting men. my problem is meeting men that meet my qualifications for marriage because i am not getting any younger. like Notme accurately stated, companionship, love, kids, successful career, yes i want it all, all those things are equally important to me. i have been ignoring the guys calls and texts for like two months now, but my folks were hounding me as if i am making the biggest mistake of my life, so yeah in a way you are right, i started to doubt myself, but that is not to say i do not know what i what. and let's not pretend it's easy these days for a woman to find a man she's romantically attracted to that's ready and serious about marriage .
If your parents's wisdom equates to "God's Plan" then I suggest you get a second opinion.
Let's break this down because you being overwhelmed has is spinned a bit.Marrying this guy would be the logical choice.You seem hesitant to do that so it appears that you want to base a marriage off feelings.Nothing wrong with that if that's what works for you.What is perplexing is why you would come onto a blog forum asking for the support of people who are known for making decisions with not much regard for feeling.This smells to high hell of a troll.
When YOU are ready for a serious marriage (not just hormonely) the right guy will pop up. If you are thinking of throwing your lot in the ugly guys direction it sounds to me like a act of desperation. Any decision you make in the act of desperation is a bad decision. You haven't given me a reason why you would do this retarded act? You said you don't want to pass on a chance to get married, yet you are attractive.....are you really boring? Why would this be a once in a lifetime opportunity? A lot of people get married twice, imagine how many times they didn't get married.
Any man I have ignored for 2 months who is still calling and texting is *definitely* creeping me out, not a potential marriage partner.
The one above is still an imposter (not UKan).
Stop trying to get attention by trying to be annoying, Postscript. You remind me of a three year old.
How would marrying him be logical?
i struggle to understand why people overthink things. jeez woman, if you're doubting it then it's probably not right for you.and ignore your parents. they probably know jack since they raised someone who can't figure her life out for herself. just kidding...or am i?
Doesn't it feel good to ridicule someone not me? Go ahead, hit her harder. She needs sense. Tell her how you really feel.
yeah, you're cute.
Your end goal should be having as much fun as you can in life. Everything should revolve around you being gratified. Every relationship should be in your favor or equal (and this is reserved for people you see as a equal). Gods plan has no wisdom. That's their subconscious telling them that they want grandchildren. I honestly can't believe this is a discussion at all and how any rational person would weigh options the way you do:Hey UKan,I have been struggling for a long time with a life changing decision. I was thinking of cutting off my leg, so I can understand how it feels to live with one leg. My parents thought it would be a great idea, in fact it was their idea. They Say its gods plan. I don't know. I have been thinking how permanent it sounds, but I don't want to miss out on this chance.Ok, I changed my mind. Go ahead and get married. You'll be happy you made the decision
You are not UKan.
That is him I can tell.
My parents made me feel abandoned
blahblahblah where's the fun tonight? I need fun!this is one guy having a convo with himself. Typical schizo. GO get some meds.Or at least give me some fun please. Everyone here who's not a schizo raise your hand.
Hang on. I am googling Schizo. I might be one.
don't google it. i'm an authority on the matter. You've fabricated this entire thing, quite well, but still, it's too boring.
I'm not a Schizo but I can juggle your tits. How's that for fun?
What's the deal with this UKan any how?
what's the deal with your obsession with him, and sam vaknin and everyone else for that matter?
Who are they and have they got money? Whos near L.A. and wants to get a drink? Or a date?
USlut, is that your way of asking me out?
I've been waiting for an excuse.
it's the last day of 2010. Omg!
For me, my chameleon personalities are the trees, and my true self: the forest. Often feel lost in the many different masks I wear. The endless role playing some of us call: A life.
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