Thursday, December 2, 2010

Survey results

I copied the results below. I tried not to have duplicates, but I may also have inadvertently left some out. Some of the questions didn't really get enough responses to include. Some of the answer categories I grouped together, e.g. "eating to survive" included pretty much everyone who said that they typical just eat for the nutrients, although they may sometimes find pleasure in eating. Next time I'll make an actual survey form for ease of calculation. Of course this was far from reliable, but it was still interesting. I was surprised by some of the results, was not surprised by some. I'll let you speculate without tainting you with my own conclusions/theories.

1. Do you have normal average blood temperature, run hot, or run cold?
12 Cold 4 normal 2 hot

2. Do you have normal blood pressure, run high, or run low?
13 Low 2 normal 6 high

3. What is your relationship to food?
5 love 1 like 17 eat to survive

4. Do you have corrected vision, i.e. glasses, contact lenses?
9 corrected 12 none

5. What is your tolerance to pain? Low, high, or normal?
17 high 5 normal 1 low

6. Have you ever had stitches or surgery that could have been otherwise been preventable based on lifestyle choices?
10 no 12 yes

7. Would you say you look about your age, younger, or older than your age?
11 younger 8 same 3 older

8. Do you take cold medication? How soon after a cold do you start taking medication?
17 no 4 some/sometimes 1 yes

9. Do you have trouble sleeping?
8 yes 12 some/sometimes 2 no

10. Which do you crave more, salty or sweet foods?
8 salty 3 both 7 sweet 3 neither

11. Do you wake up in the morning drenched in sweat?
4 no 5 sometimes

12. Do you abuse drugs like alcohol?
3 no 7 yes

13. Do you have great admiration for the aspergers people?
5 yes 3 no

14. Creepy stare:
6 yes

15. People oriented job:
2 no

16. Do you like sun and brightness?
8 no

17. Do you eat red/bloody meat?
5 yes 1 no

18. Are you involved in or have you been involved in extreme hobbies and activities?
3 yes 3 no

19. Do you like trying new things, or are you averse to change?
6 change

85 comments:

  1. Hmmm... I wonder if this is the responses from everyone or just those that claim socio-ness.

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  2. I believe that there is no relevant conclusion to reach by reading these answers.

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  3. I think that's the answers from everyone. Problem is, I only answered 1-10 and even then I'm in the minority. I didn't answer 11-19. Then again, I post early.

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  4. Yeah, ok, but what could you possibly deduce from all this. You think that there's a pattern, you think that all sociopaths have lower body temperature? I believe that the sociopath's physical features are all random, with no relation to how they process emotions and conscience. But then again that's just my opinion.

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  5. I am not a socio and I answered the first ten questions and my answers were all in the most popular range.
    Maybe ME is just doing a study to see if we are all sheep!
    If so, nicely done. ;)

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  6. A test like this should look at gender difference (may explain some of the biological differences) and include specific measure when can be done (such as body temperature, or heart rate).

    ME was kind to leave the response to aspies, but better to seek a meaningful post than silliness.

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  7. "Yeah, ok, but what could you possibly deduce from all this. You think that there's a pattern, you think that all sociopaths have lower body temperature? I believe that the sociopath's physical features are all random, with no relation to how they process emotions and conscience. But then again that's just my opinion."

    Mine too.

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  8. 13. Do you have great admiration for the aspergers people?
    5 yes 3 no


    Five people are clearly having a go at this test :P

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  9. I have a layman's question;
    Ok, I can see how better knowledge or even perfect conviction about popular culture, music, fashion, politics, religion, work, social values etc. could be more benefitial for socios in terms of gaining deeper trust to work their games at any level within the mainstream.

    But what purpose or interest would truly high functioning socios have, from indulging in unrestrained introspective, intellectual? explorations and discussions as such, like in this blog? I mean why would any high functioning socio need to have a deep understanding of amorality, or look for self definitions unless he/she was conflicted and thus not fully socio (if there's such a thing)?

    lss; Being conscious of being a socio = Not a socio?

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  10. I ascribe to a theory in which the ones claiming to be sociopaths are, in fact, beings from another reality who are conducting studies on human behaviour; especially emotional behaviour, which they themselves are lacking in.

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  11. This is the laziest analysis of survey data I have ever seen.

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  12. at aspie: lol true

    at GagReflex: I kida ask myself the same question but never actually gave myself an answer, waiting for one to pop up eventually.

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  13. I've heard that most socios aren't aware of what they are. I'm not sure if this is true or not, because I've known what I am since I was 14. The way you say "Being conscious of being a socio = Not a socio?" sounds as though you are impliying that someone who is aware that they are sociopathic, realises that there is something "wrong" with them. In my case, it's the complete opposite. I'm aware that I'm a sociopath, and I'm aware that I'm different, but it seems to me that everyone else has some kind of problem. I'ts like their all a bunch of retards who let their emotions cloud their vision, and get in the way of what their supposed to do. I think that the world would be a far better place, if everybody thought like me or even better, if I were in control.

    I stumbled across this site by chance(the same as most people here it would seem). I have no reason or purpose for being here, I just think it's intresting.

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    1. I feel the exact same way. Emotions are a flaw of the limbic system

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  14. But what purpose or interest would truly high functioning socios have, from indulging in unrestrained introspective, intellectual? explorations and discussions as such, like in this blog? I mean why would any high functioning socio need to have a deep understanding of amorality, or look for self definitions unless he/she was conflicted and thus not fully socio (if there's such a thing)?

    Gag, you may have a point. We may all be wrong, of course we may also all be some old guy pretending to be and posting as other people to entertain himself- who knows? Also aliens or whatever Anon said.

    I think the issue isn't a need to know something. It is a curiosity. Right now the blog is a fun thing for me. Playing sociopathworld entertains me. I'll get bored and leave at some point, but for now- eh- it's better than solitaire and a rubix cube. Some days.

    @ aspie, I'd call these raw data- not analysis.

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  15. "I ascribe to a theory in which the ones claiming to be sociopaths are, in fact, beings from another reality who are conducting studies on human behaviour; especially emotional behaviour, which they themselves are lacking in."

    Damn, he's onto us. Report back to the mother ship!

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  16. If I may ask; why did you choose to name yourself Misanthrope if you believe yourself to be a sociopath instead?

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  17. Partly because of a private joke, notme. I do genuinely hate alot of people, and on some level dislike most, but I would say that my screen name is something of an exaggeration.

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  18. lol Aspie, just roll with it.

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  19. Sorry, I meant no one.

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  20. Curiosity and boredom was what dawn me here in the first place and it was kind of a pleasant surprise to find others that think and “feel” like me, or at least try/pretend to. I keep coming back because I think talking about it to the public, to give some sane perspective is a good idea, especially with all the drama, misunderstanding and fear associated with ASPD.

    I don’t call myself a sociopath. I’m aware of what I am I just don’t like what that label implies. I don’t feel broken or impaired in any way, I don’t see it as “disorder” and I don’t consider myself a monster.

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  21. Speaking of misanthropy an sociopathy, Has anyone else seen "There will be blood"? The character Daniel Plainview is definitely misanthropic, but I've been thinking about wether or not I would class him as a sociopath. Eli is definitely a sociopath.

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  22. If you know you are bipolar, are you really bipolar? Same type of logic.
    The question is understandable, however. I'm not here to study sociopaths or to have introspection sessions. I think you can pretty much tell who's who when people first come in. Besides this silly experiment, you can tell who the sociopaths in here are because in over a year of me being here they ARE the same. Over and over. I'm interested in the non socios who by some law of attraction are drawn to sociopaths like moths to flame. I want to know how they got there. What qualities did they see? How did they view the behaviour day to day of a sociopath? How strong are empathic peoples moral fiber? How much justification will empathic people make for their lover before they break? Why are they charmed? I have more questions, but I haven't yet resolved them and I don't want to ruin the fun.

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  23. Boring movie that one.

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  24. @Pythias; Thats the point - I have some difficulty to reconcile coldly rational yet socially intelligent "beings", masters in the game of data mining, with the image of geeks playing virtual sociopaths.

    On that note, perhaps I do see the "socio club" image of it, where this is the blog for socios to compare notes, strategies and meet mentors. There, have I answered my own question? I blame the posers here for my having lost sight of that.

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  25. UKan, just make it your empire like you talked about. When you're in charge, send the inquisition forces into empathic people's houses and investigate their nature. Document it for us so we can learn too.

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  26. @Ukan; Emotional boot camp?

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  27. Well if I had a empire I wouldn't be interested anymore.

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  28. I like to talk with sane people who understand me...no empath can give me that. Emotions run everything empaths say and inadvertantly are really boring.

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  29. Besides this silly experiment, you can tell who the sociopaths in here are because in over a year of me being here they ARE the same. Over and over.

    You can tell who is sociopathic over the internet? That's quite the expertise there, Ukan.

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  30. There is no way of telling who's who on this site, and nobody has reason to believe anything that anybody else here says. Personally, I can't understand why somebody would come onto this site, and pretend to be a sociopath. I mean, whats in it for them? Nobody gives a shit.

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  31. You can have my giving a shit, Misanthrope, if you want it <3

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  32. Ukan
    'I'm interested in the non socios who by some law of attraction are drawn to sociopaths like moths to flame. I want to know how they got there. What qualities did they see? How did they view the behaviour day to day of a sociopath? How strong are empathic peoples moral fiber? How much justification will empathic people make for their lover before they break? Why are they charmed? I have more questions, but I haven't yet resolved them and I don't want to ruin the fun.'

    Too many questions. ;p

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  33. Law of attraction? Try Laws of Nature to which we are still biologically connected to. A fundamental but still, only just a part of us.

    Ambiguity in convictions which occurs as part of the process of a philosophical struggle (unique to us?) to transcend that, can be perceived as chronic weakness by those of us who fail to recognise the purpose.

    Which shouldn't be that surprising, considering that at this point of our short colourful history, inspite of our intellectual evolution, we haven't moved that much from our proclivity to trade any state of doubt lasting more than 24 hours for the most base conclusion about our realities.

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  34. I'm not asking for a answer, but I always get one. As for the person who thinks you can't tell how people are over the interenet, that's bullshit. How can I not know you people when all you do is talk about yourself? That's all people do here and that's all they do everywhere. They volunteer information about themself all day long till they sleep. This is a safe practice for most people because nobodys listening. They are too busy talking about themselves than to have any time to really examine what other people are saying. In my actual life I will subtlely slip in the fact I'm tricking someone into the conversation and seemlessly go back into what I was saying and people won't notice. They aren't listening. That is why you convince people with questions not statements because people like to convince themselves of things, they generally don't care what the other person says.

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  35. That is why you convince people with questions not statements because people like to convince themselves of things, they generally don't care what the other person says.

    Just like how I asked an ambiguously assuming question, and you so readily reacted in such delicate detail?

    I suppose in that cause, you're right :)

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  36. When you get a detail I don't want you to have, raise your hand no one. Otherwise continue being who you set out to be.

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  37. I think you can generally tell who the real S's are. They are very similar acting and write in a similar way. Someone pretending to be an sociopath might be seeking attention.

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  38. no one, the info about real socios can be obtained by scientifically interpreting the results of the survey.~

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  39. i don't see the point of a constant facade on the net. exaggeration yes, but fundamentally, people (the regulars) come here to be themselves, whatever the heck that entails.

    and besides, i get vibes from people in real life, and on here. at least, enough of a sense to gauge what i'm dealing with.

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  40. Well then, GagReflex, problem solved!

    Ukan, you ought to let your poetic side out more often.

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  41. Notme: the people that put on a facade are trying to fool themselves. They think if they convince us then we will help them reinforce the shaky ground they built themselves on.

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  42. UKan said...
    When you get a detail I don't want you to have, raise your hand


    This is why UKan is The King.

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  43. "i don't see the point of a constant facade on the net. exaggeration yes, but fundamentally, people (the regulars) come here to be themselves, whatever the heck that entails."

    Yes, exactly. This is the only place in the world where I don't tell a pack of lies. I usally bend the truth even when I don't have to, but I feel no need to do so here. Back in the real word, I'm usually very reluctant to disclose information about myself, and I've learnt that telling people my true thoughts and opinions is a bad idea. I prefer to just feed people bulshit because I'm constantly thinking about how they could use any real information against me, as thats exactly what I would do in their position. I suppose I'm just paranoid in that way, but paranoid is better then fucked over.

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  44. Don't flatter me anon, people think I'm every anon and self flattery doesn't suit me. Thank you for your vote though.

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  45. Misanthrope I'm similar to you, but I build a database of sorts as opposed to thinking I "have" to systematically fuck people over with every tid-bit before they screw me. I don't consider that paranoia I consider it insurance. This is what I don't really understand about others who are similar to me, or at least talk like they are. I hear people brag about their accomplishments of sorts and realize I would have behaved differently as I consider the waste of a perfectly good identity consumed too soon, or in some cases at all. Then again I am not trying to imply everyone here is brilliant or otherwise supposed to be brilliant.

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  46. Anon

    I would say that I build a database of information as well. I like to compile as much information as possible on certain people and then hold it over them later. Blackmail is a source of income for me.

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  47. I don't stick to just one gun. I'm situational. I like any environment and love new challenges.

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  48. I'm adaptable. I'd say that I'm an opportunist by nature and I'll make the best out of any situation that I'm presented with, but blackmail is the best way that I know how of making people do what their meant to do. I only enjoy challenges that I know I can complete. I'm usually just looking for the easiest route to take.

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  49. Aw now look what you've done, Ukan, you've gotten the sycophants all excited.

    Is this what you mean by the reinforcement of the shaky ground one has built oneself upon?

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  50. Over and over. I'm interested in the non socios who by some law of attraction are drawn to sociopaths like moths to flame. I want to know how they got there. What qualities did they see? How did they view the behaviour day to day of a sociopath? How strong are empathic peoples moral fiber? How much justification will empathic people make for their lover before they break? Why are they charmed? I have more questions, but I haven't yet resolved them and I don't want to ruin the fun.




    Ask your gf UKan.

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  51. I can't quite place why there's this sense of inconsistencies, like there's always a possibility that sociopathy could be a function of philosophy (by will or by accident) rather than nature, does that make sense?
    I mean isn't hate, anger, impatience, fear(paranoia), vengeance, vanity, excitement, greed, need-for-control also some kind of emotional by-product, as opposed to a blanket socios-are-emotionally-defunct notion?
    Ultimately isn't everything about us emotional, the difference being just the way the switches are connected, hence the infamous "detachment" and non-standard reactions?
    Wouldn't the bootcamp called life's capacity to produce all varieties of humans from sensitive mummy's boys, school yard bullies to blocked-out abused, and the vortex towards a singularity called Society be irreconcibly doomed, hence the "unnatural" individual adaptations?

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  52. a somewhat related blog post

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  53. Good article aspie. Glad I caught it before your post disappeared!?

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  54. Gag,
    i'm trying to understand your last paragraph.

    'Wouldn't the bootcamp called life's capacity to produce all varieties of humans from sensitive mummy's boys, school yard bullies to blocked-out abused, and the vortex towards a singularity called Society be irreconcibly doomed, hence the "unnatural" individual adaptations?'

    why would it be irreconcilably doomed?

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  55. That seems to be happening a lot lately. I'll link it again here.

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  56. You got~me notme. Was struggling with exactly that bit, but then got lazy and just went along with the first words that came to my untechnical mind. Anyway, the intention of that paragraph was to simply articulate something, (but not exactly) like a "shoe horn" effect. Maybe "irreconcilably doomed" is too strong? so by all means fill in the blank..am I making more sense?

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  57. Gag, although your argument holds some merit from observation, it isn't a full view. There are people with ASPD who have had charmed childhoods of sorts, and simply are who they are with not fault to society.

    For a fairly large portion of my life, I didn't know there was something drastically different about my person. People frustrated and confused me by their lack of practicality, lack of pragmatism, guilt, and general draw to social systems. As for emotions, I filled the blanks to fill the social norms. Anger was the root of most emotions I couldn't grasp, and I rolled with it.

    UKan made a good point about facades, as cynical as it may have sounded. I'm not sure I've fully come to terms with how I am vs. Most, so you can say I'm in a bit of a transitional stage. Introspection helps. A lot. As does writing out your trains of thought. Often times the subconscious comes out of hiding in letters and words where conscious failed to do so.

    I'm not saying your hypothesis is soundly debunked, I just don't agree with it on the basis of it seeming to be a free-flowing thought without much to back it up.

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  58. i find the way Gag writes a little difficult. i still don't get what his last paragraph is trying to get at.
    i think he's too smart for me as he leapfrogs a little, assuming i should fill in the details when i don't know the details. lol. my bad.

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  60. I don't think it is the inherent "evils" of society that is the dooming factor, but the momentary power of complete annihilation in the hands of a few that stole, lied, killed and black mailed their way to the top.

    When they lose that power to the idealists and extremists, we're fucked.



    Horde was part of my CAPTCHA. Go figure.

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  61. NoPath: December 2, 2010 9:44 PM, this respond and from what I've learnt about you from your posts (beyond which I can't comment), was among the factors contributing to my SQOTD.

    Doesn't the fact that we can all grasp differentiation, albiet exactly to what degree and circumstances varies (which I guess is the main arguing point) for eg. you knew you knew you were drastically different suggest that there's always an element of "will" mixed up in there somewhere? Think "bootcamp" if unclear about this statement.

    You would be a great example of the malleability innate in all of us. You came in from the raw, you observed/analysed, made your choice and acted according to the feedback available to you. The results at each point either confirmed or debunked your assumptions and shaped points of transition or adjustments in your "self".

    Anger was the root of most emotions I couldn't grasp, and I rolled with it.

    meaning you were angry? not angry?

    notme, I'm sorry but i really wasn't trying to be smart or anything. I guess that statement/question really depends on the particular state of mind which in my case was on the pessimistic side at this time. The optimists might say; ..."would be the greatest obstacle, hence bla, bla, bla"...

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  62. Ugh..Ok last attempt:

    Wouldn't the bootcamp called life's capacity to roll out all varieties of humans from sensitive mummy's boys, school yard bullies to blocked-out abused, and the vortex towards a singularity called Society be irreconcillable, hence the "unnatural" individual adaptations?

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  63. Meaning that most of the higher emotions that I cannot feel either illicit no emotional reaction during a time appropriate, or anger/annoyance.

    Yet, with this, I'm rarely prone to rage or hatred. Rage is usually only triggered by being powerless or helpless, not retaliation. Hatred requires the emotional investment of anger/loathing over a period of time. Grudges just seem ridiculous, and I haven't bothered with them.

    I didn't come here with assumptions or direction, really. I came (and stayed) here because I felt like I was reading the inner monologues I've been having for decades. Finally, somewhere that creatures from a similar brood can congregate, converse and debate about our common traits and viewpoints, while simultaneously purging the generalized assumptions you spoke of through personal relation and admission.

    In much the same way that UKan ponders about non socios coming here, wondering about them as other folks and their attraction, I suppose some of them view this portal as an interactive petting zoo of sorts, where the children can play and pet, learn and fret, about oddities and distinctions that we have in which to fill our own personality niche.

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  64. Maybe some people here have Pervasive Development Disorder nos.

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  65. If another survey is done in the future, I think one other or additional question could be:

    21. Are you well endowed? Do you have a large penis or clitoris?

    (a result of higher levels of testosterone?)

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  66. my guess is the answers will be overwhelmingly yes

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  67. so are you saying that sociopathic women have high levels of testosterone?

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  68. @notme

    Yes, that's what I've read.

    @ zoe

    is that because it's true or do you think people will answer yes/lie for ego reasons

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  69. It also seems to be common to have 'good' hair (I read someone calling it 'rapid hair growth').

    Another thing I heard was that sociopaths are prone to having migraines.

    But yes, Aspie, it actually seems to be true about the testosterone as well.

    But of course ... as can't say too often ... these things can co-occur in non-sociopaths as well.

    I wonder, how is it with these things for people with Asperger's?

    I'm interested, because there seem to be several other things aspies and sociopaths have in common. Anybody know the answer/s?

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  70. Who gives a flying fuck about aspies? Hand flappers. All of them.

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  71. I think completely unable has a point.

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  72. Most psychopaths have rapid hair growth.If i got my hair shaved bald it would grow back thick within 5 days.I get terrible migraines with auras too.A trait you should look for is unusual reactions to what a "normal" person would find awful like laughing out load when you hear about a murder,but this is mostly used around the person your abusing (In my case it was my grandmother).True psychopaths wouldn't frequent this site.For one they have extremely short fuses and any disagreement would cause they psychopath to chastise the other person.

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  73. aspie said...
    @ zoe

    is that because it's true or do you think people will answer yes/lie for ego reasons


    ego. :)

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  74. anonymous said....
    True psychopaths wouldn't frequent this site.


    maybe so, anonymous, but then couldn't you also say that true empaths wouldn't frequent this site? i think it depends on what they're into. the site might appeal to people who have personality traits that are not based on their empath/sociopath status.

    i think if i were a psychopath and wanted to play here i would pretend to be an empath and maybe rant about my abusive socio ex (and describe myself). :)

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  75. Just wondering.How come most sociopaths have rapid hair growth? What causes it? I know this may be going into the deep end but when you look at even serial murderers like ted bundy,richard ramirez,jeffrey dahmer,david berkowitz,gary ridgeway or the cult leaders adolfo constanzo and charles manson they all had heavy thick hair growth.Of course some may have had hair loss with age but i am referring to their early days.If you never noticed this look for some pics and see for yourself.

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  76. John wayne gacy,timothy mcveigh and that cat murderer tyler weinman also had it.

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  77. I imagine high testosterone plays a part. I hardly think it's relevant to sociopathy, though. Some people are just hairy.

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  78. Agreed.But it shouldn't be looked past.In my opinion it's a huge indicator.

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  79. I suspect you don't take cold medicine most likely because your tolerance for discomfort for both yourself and others, is high. Mostly you find such things irritating. You may find it irritating but you aren't moved to do much about it until you are sufficiently irritated, and "sufficient irritation" is a higher bar for you than average.

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  80. This seems to be quite an old post... but I'm new here. Hope someone finds this reply. I'm curious why the question "do you wake up drenched in sweat?" is on here. Is that a common sociopath trait?

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