Friday, December 10, 2010

Criminally sociopathic (part 1)

From a reader:
One common theme in comments on your site seems to be "only the stupid sociopaths get locked up, they give us a bad name, if they were better at being rational/smart they wouldn't be ending up in prison." Of course as someone who has a handful of arrests I can't help but take this a little personally so I'll do my best to explain why I disagree with the position.

I was a criminal sociopath. I was the kind of criminal who was there for fun. To this day I haven't yet found anything that compares to the fun I had then. Any crimes before I was 16 were boring - I'd get in fights but mostly I had to actively convince another kid to fight with me under the pretense it was just a game (to me it was.. I couldn't get why they didn't enjoy it) and then when they were injured I had to work to convince them not to tell anyone what had happened to them so I wouldn't get in trouble.

When I was 16 I decided with a friend to burglarize a business. Basically I got off work, went to where she was working and while chatting with her mentioned I'd figured out how to get into a local store and into their safe. She said "So lets do it" so when she got off work we went back to my house, got together what we'd wear (there were cameras so heavy jackets and ski-masks), we went to sleep, woke up at 4am and walked downtown to do it. I should add here that I didn't do it for the money, I had several thousand dollars in my bank account and still lived at home having graduated high school before turning 16 and working.

Long story short we got away with it beautifully - for about 7 days. Then the only other person in the world who knew ratted on us. This was my first lesson in how weak most people are and one of many cases where I've been surprised someone did something that seemed completely illogical to me. In the meantime though my friend and I rented expensive motel rooms and bought new cloths instead of going home or washing what we had. Experiences that made the whole thing worth it include sitting with my friend on the hotel bed counting thousands of dollars in cash in our robes, finding a crazy alcoholic homeless woman and her 12yo daughter and having them follow us around buying us alcohol, and walking out of the store we had robbed pulling our skimasks up into hats so the cameras never got a shot of our faces, and then casually walking down a major street downtown to go change clothes at the bus station.

Having no priors and being a minor I never even went to Juvi - after all, I was the nice white kid from the middle class family who had made a horrible mistake and was oh so repentant.
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134 comments:

  1. When i was small my parents couldn't take me to a restaurant id run over to the fish tanks and pull fishes out with my hands.I grew up in the inner city and on the balcony over my flat there was a couple who used to always fight and they had a son who very quiet.There about six in my gang but i was always the dominant one anyways i made friends with luke and if he ever annoyed me id get him and my cousin who i hung out with to fight each other while i watched my cousin always beat the crap out of luke.As a kid i couldn't relate to girls though,i seen my friends talking about their feelings and things to girls but that stuff was just alien to me,i didn't know how to act all i knew i could do was be a bully.Ted bundy once said that when he was younger he didn't know how anything worked or what made people like each other,i can totally relate but im learning as i go on.

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  2. **Luke was the quiet kid

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  3. Poor impulse control and lack of predicting the consequences of one's action is the difference between the low functioning and high functioning.

    "Why rob a bank with a shot gun? When you can become the bank director and walk through the front door."

    That's the difference, so it has to do with IQ and ability to wait for rewards. I hope you take it personally.

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  4. Sociopaths are thrill seekers .. duh

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  5. I find it easy to spot political psychopaths.I can name a few.

    Gordon brown,Bill o reilly,Isaias Afwerki,Dick cheney,George bush,Hugo chavez,timothy geithner.

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  6. Hehe, Anonymous at 3:29,

    Your quote is either hilarious or painfully stupid:
    "Why rob a bank with a shot gun? When you can become the bank director and walk through the front door."

    Was it your superior IQ that enabled you to so badly distort reality that the investment in terms of time spent (years of service vs a few hours for a couple days figuring schedules) and the reward in terms of... what, being paid a salary by a bank and walking out with a bag of cash became somehow comparable?

    And you also believe that impulse control stems from IQ which is in direct opposition to modern neurophysiology and experimental psychology. Ouch. Good thing you can use your ability to obey the law as a measure of your intelligence since it seems like most any other measure would find you wanting.

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  7. I used to(and still do to some extent) commit crimes on a regular basis, just for the thrill wich accompanied the possibility of getting caught. For me, getting caught, getting arrested used to offer some excitement in itself, so it was pretty much win win. The difference now, is that I'm more intrested in making a profit from criminal activity, and because I'm a little older now, I try to avoid getting caught at all costs. I still perform reasonless crimes from time to time, Like walking through an airport with weed in my pocket, or starting a fight when I know there are police nearby, just for fun sometimes.

    Anon

    Gordon brown? Really?. I don't think so. David cameron on the otherhand......

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  8. Yeah, it isn't a matter of IQ, it's a matter of choice, of calling. Some would choose robbing a store, some would choose playing the power game, some would choose killing somebody, who cares as long as it gets you off. Hell, even letting yourself getting caught may be a thing that some crave for.

    This is an interesting post. I can't wait for the continuation.

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  9. On that note.. I think ME is doing a really good job. The site design, the color scheme, regular and steadily above a certain threshold posts. Thank you, ME. By the way I take that ME stands for Medical Examiner not Mechanical Engineer or Mike Eagal.

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  10. what about Tony Blair? i wouldn't be surprised.

    nice post.

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  11. And you also believe that impulse control stems from IQ which is in direct opposition to modern neurophysiology and experimental psychology.

    Actually, impulse control does correlate strongly with intelligence, as shown in the Stanford Marshmallow Test.

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  12. I agree with Mike, I think it’s a matter of what your definition of “Winning" is, and how you’ll enjoy getting there. Your end goal could be power, adrenaline, blood, sex, or money, and all of those are ways of getting anything (power through blood, sex through power, money through adrenaline, etc.).

    And I hope that by "George Bush" Anonymous means George Bush Sr.

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  15. I have a hard time even subscribing to the high/low functioning sociopath labels.

    Getting sent to prison once, maybe twice, is something I can understand. I've already dodged that bullet once and know that I'm no better, just luckier.

    If there is a difference between high/low functioning sociopaths, it isn't IQ, but a better handle on impulse control. Then again, maybe it isn't poor impulse control at all, but simple a matter of knowing one's consequences on a more intimate level, and getting away with as much as possible.

    The finality of death is something most people are oblivious to. In some neighborhoods, especially the ones that churn out a lot of those "pesky criminals", life is cheap in comparison to the middle/upper class areas. You can't take for granted that walking home will be safe, or that when you go to the liquor store that you won't be shot and killed by robbers. This sort of thing happens everywhere, but the rate is higher in lower income zones.

    So maybe high functioning sociopaths are the "stupid" ones not going off there impulses, thrill seeking and taking the day. There might not be tomorrow.

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  16. 'Personality, what makes you the way you are,' by Nettle of University of New Castle

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  17. From that book:
    An experiment with chimpanzees showed there is no sign that they take any interest in the pay-off for the other individual. Socios should like chimps, no empathy like them.

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  18. No, they didn't mean Bush Sr. They're an angry liberal posting here revealing to us that so long as you don't agree with a person's politics that person is a psychopath. Heaven forbid you don't understand the game being played above your head, and it's creators who's interests include you subscribing to it unquestioningly and hating who they want you to hate (so that you can "love").

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  19. Three of the 5 dimensions of personality: Agrreableness (empathy), Conscientiouness (Deliberation), Neuroticism(anxiety/fear/disgust/shame/guilt/sadness). Only when an individual is very low in all three above a serious, callous, cruel psychopathic behavior results. Levels of sociopathy are adjusted based on degrees that fit into the system of three.

    Aggression in empath occurs when high in neuroticism (think hsp, think notme) always in reaction to a perceived threat or challenge, whereas psychopaths will employ aggression with forethought, w/o provaction, simply to gain some end for himself.

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  20. too many typos, sorry, did not look back, just kept writing

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  21. 18 just call notme neurotic, lol. Ya think?

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  22. I included Gordon brown because he has had a few allegations made against him for bullying.He has that dead lifeless stare,his smile is unnatural and he has that rapid hair growth.I think the hair thing is massively underated.

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  23. I like notme, she is occasionally aggressive, does not make her neurotic. She can change it if she wants to by identifying trigger points if she is high on conscientiousness (which may not be the case, given her tendency to drink)

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  24. Finally. Now were talking. I said on a earlier comment that only petty criminals (your dime bag pot dealer) and people who are law abiding citizens say stupid shit like 'only stupid people get caught'. If you think pablo escabar, al capone, and marcella blanca were more sloppy than you are, please email me. I would love to do business. You can show me how to do it. The reality is that if you haven't been in prison, you haven't had any fun out on the streets yet. You're just flirting.
    Cops are smart. Sounds crazy, because people talk to the rank and file beat cops who are just like dime bag pot dealers. They have no experience. However, detectives are crafty. I know who they are when I'm at my club, because they watch the crowd like I do. Looking for opportunities. When they question you they lay down mine fields all over. That's why I say nothing to them.
    I know even now I'm living on borrowed time. I'm living the dream though. I'm drinking champagne, smoking weed all day, never get out of my robe 5 days a week, got a nice house in the mountains, and I'm getting married. However, I know its a matter of time before the police catch on. Only stupid people think they won't get caught.
    I come up with excuses to myself not to get out of the game. Really its all I know. Ok, I guess that's another excuse. I'm drawn to it. I love it. In this world people respect me.
    The other world not so much. I've been working on getting to be more sophisticated, so I bought a bunch of suits and have been taking my girl to up scale restraunts. I went to this casino with my snobby business partner (he doesn't need practice I have no idea why he's doing crime). I hate gambling so I got bored quick. I got real drunk and beat down the card dealer because he was telling me to take my ranch dressing off the table. I poured dressing on top of him after. I figured after that I should not drink hard liquor when I go out.
    The thing is the more my tastes go up to fit into this business man role, the more crime I have to do. The more crime I do the more likely I'm caught and I don't want to go back to prison.
    I have figured my business out and its stable. That's the danger. I hate stable. I risked myself a few weeks ago in a uneccessary fashion and its had me paranoid. I get bored. My girlfriend told me to get drunk with my friends in my old neighborhood, and destroy things. That was a good release and it should keep me out of trouble.
    I wouldn't trade me life for anyones. I have a lot of fun, but I'm no fool. One day they will come for me.

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  25. Ukan, r u British?

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  26. lol people. i am high in neuroticism. it's my achilles heel. my aggression here is usually playful, though you could still define it as aggression. I would prefer my life without it, but it's how i'm wired.

    nature and definately nurture caused it.

    i swing to the other extreme too, which means i can act carefree. neuroticism and conscientiousness go hand in hand actually, so i am conscientious, i'm just rendered pretty useless at times since you can't be this highly-strung and not become self-destructive.

    btw, i see a lot of aggression from socios too here. it's not just me.

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  27. "He has that dead lifeless stare,his smile is unnatural"

    He's Scottish. (:

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  28. notme, gave u as an example of empaths who can also be aggressive (based on your stories not attitude on this site) but only when provoked. High functioning empaths are the ones who'll figure out their triggers and stop impulsive aggression but deliberately hit behind the scenes if there is indeed need to do so (pseudo-socio behavior)

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  29. oops. above to misanthrope.

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  30. btw, i do hope that my lack of caps lock usage doesn't make my comments hard to read. i just don't bother with it. if it's a problem, tell me, and i (might) work at it.

    see! - conscientious. ;)

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  31. I've spent enough time visiting prison that I know it's not full of only stupid people. Sometimes they are desperate or greedy. Sometimes they got in over their heads. And sometimes... yeah, the lifestyle was just impossible to give up while they were ahead.

    People act like it is so simple to just go and get a 9-5 entry level job and just live that way after so many years of doing off-the-radar stuff.
    Hell, I have a skilled trade that lets me travel, come and go as the business comes and goes, gives me loads of options for how I want to pursue my skill and it's a realm where people who know me or have seen my work respect me and the results of my efforts.
    there are days when it takes its toll, but I can't IMAGINE making a switch to anything else. And it wouldn't be nearly the jump for me or nearly the sacrifice for me to change careers as it would be for someone who has orchestrated a successful criminal operation.
    Somethings just can't be stopped until one is forced to stop.

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  32. i'll be back later 18. i need to eat or i'll faint.

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  33. UKan makes it sound like he has a club that has tons of drugs moving through it. hmmmm

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  34. ukan wrote: "However, detectives are crafty. I know who they are when they're at my club, because they watch the crowd like I do. Looking for opportunities."

    i wonder how many are actually socio's?

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  35. Exactly Anon. I wonder how many are socios.

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  36. i mean, think about it:

    1) must use logic rather than emotion.

    2) works in a high risk, high adrenaline occupation

    3) knows the mindset of those they're seeking from the inside out.

    4) needs to have high hunting skills, low empathy for the ones being tracked.

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  37. The successful detectives that they call born police, I would say a lot. They have to be to catch other sociopaths. The downside for them is it comes with all the perks like alcholism, breaking rules, being lazy and being obsessive. They don't bother you until you catch their eye. Like sociopathic criminals, they are lazy until they have to do something, and then they are all over you. People get all paranoid and think they are just watching everything, but that's a farce. They don't fucking care until they have to care. When the community gets all upset about the bodies, and overdoses they start moving. What's funny is the police always come up with the culprit when the public gets angry, but he had been doing it for years. Why do you think that is? Because the police know crime goes on under their nose, but they're too lazy to do anything. Good police know crime is going to happen. They focus on what they need to, and they do it very well. The rest of the shit is is fuck all.

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  38. UKan, while I realize this might be wasted words, if indeed you are serious why don't you just corrupt someone powerful near where you live so that you don't have to worry about getting caught? Should you find your fear consumes you and the game still valuable, would it not cross your mind to use someone (like a politician in control of said detectives)? I think that if you take even a safe look, you'll find reasons to see that people in positions of power are more corruptible than our usual targets.

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  39. This isn't a movie. You have to get way up there to get police protection. The more your country pays your police, the less corruption happens in the department. I'm doing very well, but I'm no millionaire. Till you get to that level you have to do things the hard way.

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  40. anon 11:50

    i don't want to blow your anonymity so won't ask for too much detail--but are you in law enforcement?

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  41. lol. i guess i'll answer my own question: most likely not. i can't see anyone in that line of work admitting to corruptibility. they seem invested in seeing themselves on "the side of the angels."

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  42. That's too far from the truth to even mention why. In reality you'll find their facade is equal or greater to yours. Granted it will cost you it will at least greatly delay if not prevent your arrest. Surely you of all people can find out what they need :)

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  43. you run major risks by trying to corrupt people. you could quickly be made an example of, only heightening their power. better to remain anonymous and stay below the radar in my opinion. i would have a massive bailout option though, like a ticket to a non extraditable country and cash on hand.

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  44. Keep cash for bail, and your attorney. Attorneys are your ticket to corrupting people. They always know how to wrap a preasent.
    You don't run major risks corrupting people. That is the name of the game. Its like networking. You get to know as many useful people as possible and get them to see that you are amazing. After that you just keep pushing the envelope further till they let you do what you want. As long as everything is quiet everyone is happy.
    Hey anon you just gave me a idea. I have been thinking of bribing, I should be thinking of blackmail.

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  45. UKan, limit yourself ONLY to what they need. You're on the right track you're just thinking too much. Save the thinking for when that game is in play.

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  46. I don't need lessons on corruption, thanks.

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  47. Then your latest post betrays it's prior. At least delete it lol.

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  48. I get ideas from naive peoples brain farts all the time. Your dumb idea was taken and made into a amazing scheme. You served your purpose for once anon, be proud. I am.

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  49. "I have been thinking of bribing, I should be thinking of blackmail."

    Everyone should be thinking of blackmail. Getting dirt on other people, is alot easier than most people realise. If you can't find any dirt, you lure them into compromising situations and create dirt. If you get enough dirt on enough people, you can make a living out of blackmail.

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  50. I thought about cutting out a living doing that. I have a few plans, but I've been lazy.
    If you combine blackmail and a bribe you got yourself a life long friend.

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  51. @Anon

    "Your quote is either hilarious or painfully stupid:
    "Why rob a bank with a shot gun? When you can become the bank director and walk through the front door."

    Was it your superior IQ that enabled you to so badly distort reality that the investment in terms of time spent (years of service vs a few hours for a couple days figuring schedules) and the reward in terms of... what, being paid a salary by a bank and walking out with a bag of cash became somehow comparable?

    And you also believe that impulse control stems from IQ which is in direct opposition to modern neurophysiology and experimental psychology. Ouch. Good thing you can use your ability to obey the law as a measure of your intelligence since it seems like most any other measure would find you wanting."

    Actually my quote is from a well known psychopath. I don't expect you to get witty sarcasm, but I was merely explaining the difference between low and high functioning paths using the quote, since lows tend to repeat crimes and end up in prison. Expecting a different result from repeating the same procedure is the definition of insanity.

    Actually if you are a bank owner, you can liquidate your assets at anytime and run with other people's cash and increase your ability to plan and get away. Again a stupid bank robber who walks in the bank and gets minimal money will usually to get caught.

    Also everything in this world is based on the reward system. I have more respect for a high functioning paths who spent 10 years acquiring resources to control a region and then executing his master plan than a stupid path like you who due to have poor impulse control making a small insignificant splash in life.

    Not to mention isn't the goal for successful paths to fit in? Why would you want to get caught and limit your freedom by not following social rules and norms?

    Great job pulling this out of your dumb ass.

    "And you also believe that impulse control stems from IQ which is in direct opposition to modern neurophysiology and experimental psychology. "

    Please provide reference next time. Here is mine to directly contradict your statement.

    According to the Education Resources Information Center (ERIC), a 1967 study claims that there are "significant negative correlations" between intelligence and anxiety, poor impulse control and careless behavior, meaning that high levels of intelligence were found to be associated with low levels of anxiety, impulsive behavior and carelessness. More recently, research conducted by a team from the Harvard School of Public Health and described in a 2008 article in the Harvard Crimson finds that those born with low IQs are at increased risk of developing "chronic psychiatric disorders," such as an anxiety disorder, in adulthood.

    Can you use a specific name next time, so I don't have to waste my time reading your inane statements. Much appreciated.

    H.

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  52. UKan,what happens to your girl if you go to prison?
    how do you think your enimies will handle that?

    Do you plan for the future or really think about it if your not there to watch over the things your accumulating so vigorously?

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  53. To 18.

    I can figure out my triggers, but the retaliation may be too heavy-handed in proportion to the provocation, so I say my piece and avoid. I don't see pseudo-socio revenge as productive in my case. It depends on one's definition of a contented mind.
    Let's just say, I've been in two fights in my life, both before the age of 12, so I can't be accused of acting out violently. I commonly internalise my anger and process it that way, cos calculating revenge does not appeal strongly to me.


    Anon
    'According to the Education Resources Information Center (ERIC), a 1967 study claims that there are "significant negative correlations" between intelligence and anxiety, poor impulse control and careless behavior, meaning that high levels of intelligence were found to be associated with low levels of anxiety, impulsive behavior and carelessness. More recently, research conducted by a team from the Harvard School of Public Health and described in a 2008 article in the Harvard Crimson finds that those born with low IQs are at increased risk of developing "chronic psychiatric disorders," such as an anxiety disorder, in adulthood.'

    i don't buy it. Are you refering to IQ or EQ or both?

    Results from tests on this topic are generally inconclusive across the board, and you've chosen just one sample. Many people with high IQs also live with depression, dysfunctions like bi-polar disorder etc.
    Without those disorders, their productivity may be higher, and then in some cases the disorders themselves drive their creativity.

    I don't think that you can honestly say that something like schizophrenia is down to low IQ specifically.

    I think high anxiety can decrease learning efficiency, whilst opening up a different perception to things from the norm. Just a thought.

    Sensitive neurology does not necessarily equate to low IQ. They are unrelated essentially, but ABILITY can be negatively and positively impacted by anxiety, most certainly.

    Lastly, how does one define intelligence? There is more than one definition as far as I am aware.

    IQ and EQ. (emotional intelligence).

    http://www.dumblittleman.com/2009/10/high-iq-doesnt-equal-success-focus-on.html


    I think this subject is very complex and not one I have even begun to study. Interesting nonetheless.

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  54. sorry, first sentence was crap. I meant to say: I can figure out my triggers, and my option is to avoid them, because it's nigh impossible to grow a thick skin if you have a thin one. Retaliation, to my mind, may be too heavy-handed...

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  55. sorry, too heavy-handed OR not sufficient. I should have said that.

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  56. ok. my post dissapeared again. it'll be back tomorrow. I'm not gonna retype it. M.E Why??????????

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  57. notme- my marshmallow people found that too- better impulse control went with higher IQ and SAT scores.

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  58. who were the test subjects? were they culled from one particular population or were they a fairly random sample?

    i think it would change according to who was being studied. for instance, if you studied only artists, you'd probably find a lower impulse control than among most, but not much difference in terms of iq (though higher creativity--if there's a standardized measure for such a thing.)

    you'd probably also find higher levels of depression and anxiety than you would in the population at large due to increased emotional sensitivity overall.

    that's just my guess, though---so far as i know, no one has done such a study.

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  59. When you copy and paste something (anything) it is slighty more interesting than hearing about the state of your plumbing or web connection. Good try, Notme.

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  60. M:E must have a good laugh when his blogs cause conflicts between posters.

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  61. Hi Anon,

    It was done in 4-year-old kids, so before they differentiated into artsy types, nerds, etc and before they had much of their formative experiences.

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  62. anon 5.15

    you're cheeky.

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  63. @notme
    anon challenged a view and provided a reference to a study supporting that position. it is IMPOSSIBLE to rebut that without providing a reference to better evidence - for example a meta-study of all research on the subject. don't flail along with halfhearted assertions.

    T

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  64. I put my girl in school for design, and now that she's confidant I'm going for business administration. Together we are going to open a design firm. I have a great plan. If I go down I got bail money and attorney fees.
    One of my associates already went down and he's fine. He bailed out in a couple of days and has been fighting his case while still making money.

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  65. Can you sum up what you suys are arguing about in a few words I can't get through that long post.

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  66. No shit... UKan, we should go into business together. That was almost my exact plan (the design firm bit).

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  67. Some of this consideration may be societal, too. The US incarcerates a higher percentage of their population than any other country. Evidently we like us some prisoners. Anyway, I think in a less conviction-friendly society, a person could relax about their games a little more.

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  68. Well I'm just an angry angry drunk lady. The law is seriously irritating. There should be some kind of law where youcan kill people who want to die the you could go off finding people people who wanted to commit suicide or whatever (see i'm thinkin of you empaths) then just give them a lil helping hand. That would be a nice way to keep things under control. Who wouldn't be happy with that? It would surely be an improvement for us all.

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  69. Are you going to school for design?

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  70. Going for math, but I do a lot of web and print design in my spare time. Well-versed in all the major technologies.

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  71. ahh broadcasting my thoughts to people who don't care or have any interestin them i much be drunk. delicious.

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  72. Ukan

    the gist of anon's argument at 2.30is that lower impulse control equates to lower IQ. The previous anon doesn't agree....etc etc.

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  73. Ride

    dare I say this, but I agree with you.

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  74. Agree with which part?

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  75. helping with suicides. why not?

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  76. It would certainly brighten up my life. Or they could make murder legal.

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  77. You don't need that many words for that. The answer is obvious.
    Pms, I'm talking about enviromental psychology.

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  78. Also, UKan, notme's dog is constipated and her wallpaper is peeling some in the kitchen.

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  79. how did you know!? wanna come round and help me with that anon?

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  80. It would certainly brighten up my life. Or they could make murder legal.


    Why don't you commit suicide?
    Your just an angry drunk with a boring life anyway.
    If you actualy have people who care about you, it may even cause them pain for the rest of their lives.

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  81. Now that we're on the subject, I think assisting in the termination of life for terminally ill patients should be allowed. How cruel are we to humans? You can have a suffering pet put down but not a family member? That's inhumane.

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  82. Aerianne, i agree completely. the number of failed suicide attempts is ghastly. No one should have to go through that.
    The obsession is with treatment, as opposed to respecting the desire and rights of the person.

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  83. Have you seen the movie about Kevorkian? It is so funny.

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  84. Sometimes I feel like I don't have anything to post because UKan almost always says what I would. And now I sound like a kiss-ass.

    Either way, I wanted to say that applying logic to something like the ability to not get arrested is silly. If you start from the assumption that getting arrested is so terrible that it should be avoided at all costs even complete idiots manage to stay outta jail. On the other hand if jail isn't a painful enough consequence to outweigh the excitement of a given crime then choosing crime is simple.

    Logic and intelligence are a means to an end. If my ends are criminal then logic dictates a path to best accomplish that. If my ends are money then there's an argument to be made that crime might not be a good idea. Criminals get caught, that's reality. I just get tired of seeing people saying essentially "What you want isn't what I want, therefor it's illogical" as if logic was a tool for coming up with foundational values rather than a tool to arrive at conclusions from a given foundation.

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  85. Why don't you commit suicide?
    Your just an angry drunk with a boring life anyway.
    If you actualy have people who care about you, it may even cause them pain for the rest of their lives.


    First post Nikita has made that I actually care for. Have an e-cookie.


    To the topic though, law enforcement on the Detective side has a very high appeal to me for probably the same reason it does to other sociopathic detectives.

    1. Reputation of the Hero
    2. Out-smarting one of your own
    3. Hurting someone's livelihood with not only the support of the law, but their gratitude
    4. The Hunt
    5. Having the ultimate Blind Spot
    6. The ability to manipulate your own schemes/crimes to set up a patsy

    Number Five is pretty damn important. Six as well, if you go that route.

    Dexter, sans the Serial Killing business, is a great example of justice through the eyes of a sociopath. It's fun, it's dangerous, and it's very rewarding if it doesn't get you killed.

    I think the main reason I never went for it was the fact that I didn't want to start as a beat cop. If there is/will be a way around that, I may end up pursuing it some day. Better late than never.

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  86. Ukan said: and I'm getting married

    Congratulations! Have you asked already? Or is it a dead giveaway that she'll say yes when you pop the question?

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  87. seeing that we are on this topic, not started by me but since it's here i'll oblige, i'd be interested to see the correlation between levels of sensation-seeking and intelligence. I think that is a more appropriate test. However, I don't think the results will be conclusive.

    I also agree with Unmasked, that what one person deems as important and fundamental, is not necessarily the case for another.

    It smacks of a biased attitude.

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  88. I've been engaged for four months I'm getting married in may.
    If you make your living doing crime, you have to prepare to go to jail, period. The probability when you start out of not going to jail is nil. You will experience prison and whether or not you learn how to be a better criminal in there is your choice. I broke my recividism pattern by learning how to create a wall of people around me, but I have no dillusions. That wall is always at risk of being knocked down. If you don't accept the consequences might come, then you will be weak and unprepared. Its like someone refusing to get a cancer diagnosis because they want to ignore their illness.
    I'm glad you agree with me mostly unmasked. I'm honored especially coming from a like minded leader and not a kiss ass follower.

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  89. Dexter, sans the Serial Killing business, is a great example of justice through the eyes of a sociopath. It's fun, it's dangerous, and it's very rewarding if it doesn't get you killed.

    Or, go to law school and learn how to circumvent the laws without technically doing anything illegal :)

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  90. Dexters not a sociopath. He's introverted, not charming, and feels guilt. Manipulation is not a strong point for him at all. Everyone thinks he's a wierdo he can't blend in at all. He's just a broken vigilante brainwashed by his sociopathic father.

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  91. There's a good possibility that he isn't, but when the man is on the hunt, the Thrill Kill if you will, and the flirting with danger with the unsuspecting and sometimes suspecting victims, he's a devious little bastard.

    Dexter's own wiki points to Schizoid Personality Disorder, and they make a really damn good case, too. If he does have empathy, he doesn't have much. The term, emotionally flat from SPD really fits the bill.

    I think early, first season Dexter was much more sociopathic than current Dexter. I was watching a few episodes from it last week. He's changed a lot. Maybe some day I'll read the books.

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  92. He has sociopathic type thoughts when he's narrating on the first two. They made me laugh. The following seasons bored me.

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  93. He has sociopathic type thoughts when he's narrating on the first two. They made me laugh. The following seasons bored me.

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  94. I'm enjoying Season 5, not for sociopathic reasons, just, that it's been a hell of a ride. Three and Four, I will agree were pretty boring in comparison. Four wasn't so much as boring as it was infuriating the the hesitancy to ice the Trinity Killer.

    Season 5 has mostly been constant action and drama. Not a whole lot of the sociopathic thought narration.

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  95. Dexter does comes off as more Schizoid or Aspie than ASPD (to follow the standardized vernacular), similar to Dahmer. Not every murderer is a sociopath/psychopath, remember? :)

    Jordan Chase, however...

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  96. I think that Dexter is somekind of schizoid-compensating- psychopath. He's only ever really felt guilt, after breaking his code.
    I don't like the Luman character. She just irritates me for some reason, and she's nothing in comparison to Rita and Lila. I hope Chase kills her.

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  97. Dex Season 5 Spoilers Below:

    @Misanthrope: The reason you don't like Lumen is probably that she's using Dexter. Not only that, but she's transformed his vigilante release into a revenge-bent murder spree. He's no longer killing for the release that he needs, but for the needs of another. He continuously looks for an honest bond with another, someone who appreciates who and what he really is, and if he had that, the show might as well end. I theorize that either Lumen dies, or gets sent to prison. I also think that Deb will find out about Dex, but will turn a blind, accommodating eye.

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  98. Anyone who can kill without remorse is a sociopath in my book.

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  99. That makes sense notable. I like when Dexter does his own thing for his own reasons but now, he's putting himself out there some bitch who he barely even knows. It doesn't make any sense. Why is she so important to him?

    Dexter has been used by people in practically every season now. I mean, every season has been essentially based around a battle between two psychopaths. What bothers me about Luman is that she's using him, and he doesn't even realise it, so he'll probably never show her who's really in charge. It's like he's turned into a love sick puppy this season.

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  100. pussy whipped Dexter

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  101. I don't watch that boring shit.

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  102. He (your reader who wrote the text in your article) is most definitely not alone about being surprised when finding out how easily people generally can be made to spill their guts.

    I was VERY surprised when it happened to me the first time, and I never again confided in others even when I was very tempted to do so (and kids/teens DO get tempted to boast).

    It's still a mystery to me why people in general have this flaw of character.


    I guess sociopaths must be the worst of all in this regard, no?

    Translate: They don't learn from their mistakes.

    Into: "I didn't gain anything from being honest with the police the other times, but maybe I will now".


    Translate: They give easily into temptations and think only of instant self gratification.

    Into: "It's easier to tell them what they want to know, and that way I can get back to my cell and have the smoke I want".


    Translate: They don't plan/look ahead.

    Into: "I won't think of the fact I'll likely get just as hard a sentence as the one I tell on, it doesn't enter my mind, or I'll think of that tomorrow".


    Sociopathy is not a set thing, but there are those who act in this way.

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  103. Dex Season 5 Spoilers Below:

    @Misanthrope: Lumen plays it off that she doesn't know that she's manipulating him, but the one very underrated part of this season was her interaction with her ex, who she apparently abandoned, along with her parents. She's either consciously/subconsciously using Dexter, and will leave him like everyone else, or, she legitimately doesn't realize what she's doing, and is falling in love. Either way, it doesn't bode well for Dexter.

    Dexter didn't find love with Lumen. He find a fan. A groopie. Someone whose affection he now likes, and is willing to perform to keep that adoration alive.

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  104. "Dexter didn't find love with Lumen. He find a fan. A groopie. Someone whose affection he now likes, and is willing to perform to keep that adoration alive."

    I'm not so sure about that. In the latest episode, he asked her to leave for her own safety, and he was serious, which shows that he does genuinely care for her. Unless he only asked because he knew that she wouldn't go, in which case, your right.

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  105. The issue is that neither of them seem to understand the relationship they have between each other. It's sort of confusing under the context of the situation. Definitely atypical.

    Dex's main aspiration since season one is to be adored and loved for what he does. He finally found someone willing to share that, who hasn't malevolently tried to ruin him yet.

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  106. First post Nikita has made that I actually care for. Have an e-cookie.



    And it is because you care that I named you, as I do with all toys, Not Able.

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  107. Do you always eat your own bullshit, straight? Or do you need hot sauce with it? Maybe a smidgen of cinnamon?

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  108. A childish reply to my post, but thats to be expected from someone like you, Not Able.

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  109. A childish reply to my post, but thats to be expected from someone like you, Not Able.

    That sentence is dripping with irony. Do I have to spell it out for you, or are you clever enough?

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  110. Show me how clever you are, and spell it out for me.

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  112. Was it not clever of me to name you?.
    Every time someone calls you "Not Able" You will think of me.
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