Thursday, June 30, 2016

Realness

I actually really like the Velveteen Rabbit story, also the Little Prince, which both touch on this idea of there being a "realness" that is particularly "real".

From a reader:

I found your book incredibly thought provoking. As someone who considers himself the functional opposite of a sociopath, I read it out of a curiosity and desire to understand the mental processes of someone so different from myself. Though I study psychology and consider myself fairly open-minded about different mental states, I did have some stigma surrounding sociopathy simply because of the sensationalized media portrayal that I have grown up with. My perspective was certainly challenged.

            I have never read a book that felt like such an interactive experience. You were up front about your manipulation, but I still found myself constantly challenging and questioning your intentions, determined not to let you get the best of me. Just when I would start to feel superiority for your callousness, you would express vulnerability. Just when I started to sense weakness, you reminded me of my own. In the end I accepted defeat in largely seeing your point of view, but I did so in a way that felt satisfying. I realized that, though it was all very calculated, that didn’t mean your intentions couldn’t be genuine.

What struck me most were not the differences, but the similarities between your cognition and my own. This makes me think that, in some ways (but certainly not all), emotional sensitivity acts as a buffer to disguise the empath’s selfish actions, allowing personal justification. It simply provides an extra step that allows me to feel as if my actions are not entirely performed out of self-interest. For example, when I sense weakness in a person, I make it my goal to try and help them in this regard. I speak with them directly and admit my own vulnerabilities, I emphasize their strengths and I compliment them in front of others. I pride myself on being the type of person that will continue paying attention to the original speaker if they are interrupted in a group conversation, or open my body to allow someone into a circle. Though this may make me feel like a ‘good person’, it is all about manipulating how others see me, in turn bolstering my self-perception.

I know that I am an empath because when someone else is in visible pain, it bothers me deeply. As a child I would get deeply upset when a character would be injured or die in a movie. But none of this is selfless. I feel inclined to help somebody in pain because I have the ability to see their pain as my own. In helping them feel better, I help myself feel better. I have no delusions about this, it just seems that, for better or worse, my self-interest better lines up with conventional conceptions of ‘moral goodness’.

These similarities that I felt to your cognition make me wonder how much of it is actually a result of your sociopathy (I know that you were consciously making a generalized distinction in order to highlight your point).  I feel that much of the likeness can be explained by other traits, such as situational awareness and introspection. All people act selfishly, but amazingly some people have very little awareness of it at all. I think I was finding familiarity in your knack for logically articulating your thought process. So it seems like, as a generous over simplification, sociopathy is ‘normal’ cognition without the added step of emotional processing. This emotional processing certainly has downfalls (you were very clear about this), but the upsides are what I find myself curious about.

What I really want to ask is whether you experience moments of heightened or superior consciousness—moments that feel entirely genuine. I am not quite sure how to articulate these moments, other than to call them more ‘real’ than the rest of life. Many of them come in the form of human connection, which it seems you probably don’t experience in the same way (though you hinted a bit at something like this in regards to your niece). This can take the form of a communal experience, an absorbing conversation, or even simply eye contact that evokes a powerful sense of mutual understanding, if only for a second. It can happen in other ways too. For me it might be coming over the top of a hill and seeing the sun through the trees, laying in bed and being utterly absorbed into the beauty of a song, or looking out in wonder over a city at night. You spoke of ‘epiphanies’ in your book, but these are not quite the same. I can only describe it as a powerful welling up of nondescript positive emotion, often taking me by surprise. I am very curious if you ever feel anything that can relate to that. Or, if you say that you can ‘tune in’ to certain emotions, maybe you can create it intentionally? For me, these moments make the downfalls of empathic life completely worth it.

I know you must be a very busy woman, but I would be very curious as to whether you could relate to these moments of ‘realness’ for lack of a better term.

M.E.:

I have moments when I feel, what I call "raw", as if more of me is exposed -- like a wire stripped of its insulation. I'm not sure if that is similar. I also have moments of ecstasy that give me shivers, like beautiful music or art. There are also moments of intense connection that I feel with people, e.g. if I have seduced them. Do these sound like what you're describing?

Reader:

Yes, that actually doesn't sound too far off. It sounds like maybe your experiences are no less intense, but maybe a bit less specific in terms of a clearly defined emotion? Maybe your brain still produces these emotions in response to your experiences, but the deficit is in the connection between your emotional centers and your frontal cortex. Anyways, thanks so much for responding, and feel free to use whatever you like on your blog! I would be honored.

70 comments:

  1. FIRST!!!

    YEAH!!!

    ~Vegas

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    1. Do tell us your story

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    2. I'm interested-

      Thank you, for being interested in my story.:)

      However, SUMMER CALLS!!!

      I just listened to this song, and thought I'd share.:)

      Song of the Day:

      Badfish

      ~Vegas

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    3. Mr. Hyde-

      I haven't forgotten your request, for a "Social Justice" song.:)

      ~Vegas

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    4. M.E.-

      Regarding your tweet:

      "Never tell a sociopath you suspect them of anything. The opposite works better: providing them with what they expect but lies."

      SO TRUE!!!

      Those are the "carrots", I'm here for.:)

      You always seem to know, just when I need one, too.:)

      ~Vegas

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    5. M.E.-

      PS-We both love music and art!!!

      I was telling NM awhile back, how much I love "The Kiss", by Gustav Klimt.:)

      ~Vegas

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    6. "Never tell a sociopath you suspect them of anything. The opposite works better: providing them with what they expect but lies."

      You can't be an honest person and treat socios like they treat others. I could & can do this easily but then wouldn't I be manipulating them just as they are manipulating me? This is how it continues to spread.

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    7. M.E.-

      PSS-I meant to include, that I told NM, that one day I will be in Vienna viewing the original "The Kiss" piece!!!

      Like music, I'm pretty eclectic in the art I appreciate.:) There is something "special" about that piece, that "speaks to me"...

      ~Vegas

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    8. M.E.-

      PSSS-I like the comic you re-tweeted!!! I like to see your "playful side".:)

      ~Vegas

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    9. Jonaid-

      What M.E. said is true.

      What you said, is also true.

      ~Vegas

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    10. M.E.-

      The "Song of the Day" makes me feel like summer, being in the Caribbean, and being poolside at your place.:)

      ~Vegas

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    11. "Sociopaths may prefer fiction to fact, and unlike normal ppl they may see no reason why a lie could not function just as well as the truth"

      I think the OP would agree with me. Some of us - your "functional opposites" - can see right thru the outer shell into the real you. We like THAT person, not the mask, not the credentials, not the fancy language, etc. etc. This scares you because you don't know what to expect next. I'll tell you us - your opposites - don't care about your past. We don't judge but we do hold you accountable for what you continue to do. Unfortunately YOU are the ones who get trapped in your own lies, afraid to come clean after all the masking & deceiving. Like I said, we don't care, so long as you don't keep at it after coming out. Your alternative is to remain stuck in a state of fear & delusion.

      This is for sociopaths like M.E. and Puppy, not what I call "real" psychopaths. If you chose to go down the road and are perfectly happy being as you are, this obviously is white noise to you.

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  2. This OP I like her style in how she expressed herself word for word. I hope she continues to posts here. Good read.

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  3. The OP definitely sounds like a "functional opposite of a sociopath" considering they read M.E.'s book with a genuinely open-mind. I read her book for the same reasons. When I first realized that some family & friends were sociopathic, I considered it just another psychiatric disorder. Believe it or not, it gave me a sort of closure and helped me get over (temporarily of course) my grudge against some of them. It's not their fault, I thought, and I HAVE to forgive & forget because I know how it feels to be oppressed for being something you don't choose to be. Sociopaths behave the way they do out of fear and ignorance...they are the bigger victim in the end.

    What did I do? I thought "hey, if you don't judge them, accept them for who they are, and treat them like human beings, they'll trust you and won't mistreat you, lie to you, cheat you etc. etc." I told my relative who cheated me out of my business (twice...yes I was duped twice because I blindly trusted him) that I don't care if he's sociopathic why did he even hide it from me? We could have avoided years of turmoil had he just opened up to me from the beginning...as I had about my sexual orientation to him. I told the same to my friend. I literally said "I don't care if you have dead bodies in the backyard (just a point of emphasis...I didn't really expect it) - don't tell me anything which I can't ignore, don't lie to me, don't cheat me and we can remain good friends. Treat me the way I treat you."

    Boy was I wrong. WAY wrong. They took advantage of THAT too. My tolerance. I don't know if that was also intentional or because they just couldn't believe I was serious. You won't really learn about sociopathy from reading about it or studying it. You'll get a general idea of it, sure. In order to really, really understand how real psychopaths behave and WHY, you have to experience it for yourself. You have to know one, for years, know them closely. You have to trust them and be genuinely open-minded & tolerant and accepting. Do everything right, give them no excuse that could justify any ill-behavior towards you. Then when they still do what they do, you are ultimately left with no other explanation except that their is an ill-intention, an ulterior agenda at work the whole time.

    Remember a sociopath can & often does lie pathologically. It's possible to have a genuine discussion about sociopathy with them but how can you ever know for sure they're being serious? When you know one, and can compare the words with the actions over an extended period of time, then & only then can you determine what the sociopath is.

    I wonder if you're reading about sociopathy you probably had some encounter with it?

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    1. Hey Jonaid thanks for sharing some of what happened to you in your past. I appreciate you opening up.

      Here's a podcast that I love. Download it on your phone, listen before shut eye. You will enjoy, I promise :)

      I listen to his podcasts lots. Every Sunday a new one gets uploaded. Night night xx

      https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/overwhelmed-brain-paul-colaianni/id743537890?mt=2

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    2. Jonaid, you are so right. You can like a sociopath but you can never trust them.

      About a month ago, my sociofriend of 6 years showed a very supportive and private text I had sent him to another person with the intention of creating a Divide between me and that person. I considered that person an allie in business for the time being. My sociofriend had told not to trust that person and I guess he wanted to prove me wrong for trusting this person.

      Boy did it ever work! That alliance is in complete shambles. And it is creating huge turmoil in my life.

      So I asked my sociofroend: who should I trust more? My business allie or the person who created the problem between him and me (ie my sociofriend)?

      His answer: neither.

      As puppy basket said not too long ago, sociopaths can learn to trust empaths over many many years, but she also said to not trust the sociopath. Just don't, she said...

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    3. Superchick

      I fell asleep and saw your post today. I'll try to check the podcast out. Thx!

      Old & wise

      I'm sorry to hear about your socio-related troubles. Don't worry tho, if you're well-intentioned, you'll come out of the experience much wiser and better off overall. Meanwhile, it will suck big time but get thru it without giving in to the socio, or worse turning in to one, and you'll be beyond grateful.

      This is practical advise...I'm not preaching. Ask God for help always. Even if you don't believe in Him it won't hurt and it definitely will help.

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    4. Jonaid. I appreciate it. Your heart is in the right place. Though sometimes you get out there. And you stop being interesting or even plain relatable.


      I do have a god.

      To me, God is what I do not understand. Like black holes being able to transport you to far away places.

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    5. I wouldn't be very interesting if I were always relatable, would I? ;)

      Good Night.

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  4. I've noticed an interesting trend. Most comments from anonymous profiles seem to have actually been written by psychopaths, whereas on the other hand, those with profile names or pseudo-names rather seem to have been written by narcissists. Is there a correlation there?

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    1. I beg to differ. I find that those of us who make regular (ish) visits here get to know each other in a sense and identify easily through our names (hey A), you anons tend to come and go, throw a bit of über sociopathy around and melt away into the background, only to surface again with another stunted paragraph of wisdom. Kinda like trolls I guess. And not everyone on here with a name claims to be a sociopath, we just know who we are to each other (hey Jinny).
      Don't be shy or scared or both, be a big boy/girl and give yourself a name and some credibility behind your words instead of just another anonymous voice throwing handfuls of random shit when you get a brave five minutes

      Hey Vegas ;)

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    2. Hey Swop-

      I so dig your posts.:)

      ~Vegas

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    3. Are you a sociopath Swop?

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    4. Swop is whipped. By A.
      In case you have missed it.

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    5. Swop is whipped. By A.
      In case you have missed it.

      A called swop a pussy. Swop called A a fatty. A won.

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    6. Anon @ 7:35-

      I am also "whipped" by A.:)

      Did you miss the post, where I said Superchick was 1st, I am 2nd, and SWOP is 3rd-in line for A???

      ~Vegas

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    7. Anon @ 7:52-

      "A called swop a pussy. Swop called A a fatty. A won."

      I didn't miss that, either. I knew right away that their posts to each other were "playful", and I have commented on how much I enjoy reading, the posts between the two of them.:)

      ~Vegas

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    8. Swop makes a good point. Anon 1035 observations are pointless.

      Like dumb. Who comes up with that. Haha.

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    9. Vegas, when are we all getting together pool side service ;;) winks

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    10. Hey Superchick-

      Soon, I hope!!!

      I'm waiting to hear back, from M.E.:)

      Thanks for the winks-right back at ya, babe.:)

      ~Vegas

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  6. Aren´t psychopaths famous for their STRANGE view on reality? Socios who think life is similar to a movie or see the past as just dreams? A sociopath may not be "bound" by facts as normal people are, a lie can be their option. They may prefer fiction to fact, and unlike normal persons they sometimes see no reason why the lie could not function just as well as the truth. This is one of the reasons socios are considered slightly "psychotic" despite their hyper-rational reputation..

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  7. I hope I don't come across as a missionary or something (because I'm not) but since I sometimes quote from the Qur'an on this blog I should give you my opinion on which is the best English translation. If anyone is interested, they should try "The Study Qur'an" by Hossein Nasr and his team. It's relatively new, the English is the best in my opinion, and it has a range of commentary to help you along (the book is a difficult read & often confusing without context & some commentary).

    Here's the Politics & Prose interview on it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pSAt45aYyQ


    Enjoy the long weekend!

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  8. In another installment of Sociopath Related Things I've Found While Traipsing Across The Web That Are Unrelated To The Post (SRTIFWTATWTAUTTP), see #4 in this list from Cracked:


    http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_2014_the-15-most-terrifying-ways-our-brains-are-messing-with-us_p3/

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    1. Damaged-

      Thanks for sharing that-I thought the whole list was interesting.:)

      I was just thinking about you a few days ago, and wondering when you'd share something again-I always enjoy your posts, and the stuff you find.:)

      ~Vegas

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    2. I enjoyed the reading the list as well.

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  9. I think some sociopaths will find this very intriguing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tSQdG2umIQ

    What I found most intriguing, considering I don't believe in the divinity of Jesus, is that he bowed down and called "God" and immediately felt transformed. If I listened to this a year ago I'd have laughed prior to discarding it as superstitious nonsense. However, I KNOW exactly what he means...I did the bow too prior my own transition, and I too experienced a miracle.

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    1. Powerful. Thanks for sharing Jonaid. The only thing that kemt me in sync after he tried killing his dad -was me trying to imagine if that was one of my sons I'd want him to get the help he so desperately needed. To be accountable. Responsible. How it's just morally unethical. When I look it the other way, my emotions want to scream, I cannot comprehend. Why? It's your father? I turned away. My brain got activated. But the boy was void of this -- he needed a transformation. He needed to know how to feel, behave. A higher power to submit too. When I read the parables ( lwhich is rare) of Jesus that's exactly how I feel. I'm so impressed by Jesus. This teacher. The indentation of Transformed is sealed. Sociopaths make the best preachers at the pulpit. They make the best atheists as well. Whom shall you serve? I'm guarantee I know some, and never would I shame them saying " I just know." I just keep it to myself. I observe non-judgmentally like a detective.

      His name is David wood.

      Listen humbly ;)

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nEKhq8nHbA8

      P.S. I want that little tin man

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    2. Thx for your comment super. I thought this particular clip was interesting. However, after watching other clips of him on YouTube I can see he's still very much psychopathic albeit somewhat tamed by his Christian faith. He's not bashing people's heads literally now but he's happily spreading a whole lot of propaganda about another religion (sadly Islam). At first I was taken aback because I thought he made a 180 after finding Jesus. Then I realized I was being unrealistic and projecting my own experience onto him.

      You learn something everyday.

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    3. He'll always be sociopathic it's his template. On one side of the coin (his default mode it's always going to be there) but he's learning multifaceted ways on the flip side of the coin. It keeps him grounded. Honouring his God, honours his father. The moral compass of scripture is channeled with his faith. A guy like him needs a moral compass it's what keeps him self- controlled. He needs to submit to a higher power.... I'm afraid if not....
      Where would he be. He feels as strong about his faith as you do about yours. Loving ur neighbour... your honouring God. Visa versa. Both of you had your own epiphanies that need to be respected within. :) I understand.

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    4. Jonaid-

      "What I found most intriguing, considering I don't believe in the divinity of Jesus, is that he bowed down and called "God" and immediately felt transformed."

      When he bowed down and called "God" and immediately felt transformed, he was bowing down to Jesus. Jesus is God incarnate. God is the "Holy Trinity"-Father, Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit...

      ~Vegas

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  10. Jonaid-

    Thanks for sharing that.:)

    Psychopaths/Sociopaths-Do you know why they said the psychopath in this video, could not think/laugh/cry???

    The part about the psychopath using the hammer on his father, is what scares me.

    I liked hearing the psychopath speak of finally feeling "calm and content"-I wish that, for all people.:)

    ~Vegas

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    1. This is a "calm" song, that I thought I'd share:

      Mazzy Star

      FadeIntoYou

      ~Vegas

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  11. This is so fucking funny. You gotta read this someone. Lmfao .....

    I want a dick. Always wanted one to try for a day. To fuck a girl with it. To blow my load through it. My husband will attest to that. I tell him how lucky he is to have a cock. Haha.

    http://elitedaily.com/life/culture/strap-on-week-know-dick/1068292/

    This is what I do in the middle of the night when I can't sleep.m. I fell on my hip dam again at my moms camp. Took a step down and it gave out and down I went. Fuck me again. Will it ever heal without me re-injuring it. I'm totally the giggle monster with weird painful sensations. It's not really painful just feels weird like its out its out of alinement. Chiropractor or I think I have to submit to some physio. Who the fuck has time for physio though. The line up of just waiting & waiting. It's seriously Italian mafia the one I went to years ago. Hahaja! Tony! Hey Tony! Yo Tony! Fix me up eh!

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    1. Hey Superchick-

      THAT WAS HILARIOUS!!!

      "Always wanted one to try for a day. To fuck a girl with it. To blow my load through it."

      ME, TOO!!!

      We have so many things in common.:)

      It would be interesting to see what it'd be like, wouldn't it??? To pee standing up, to get a hard on, to receive oral sex/have sex/climax, to see what it's like to jump into THE REALLY COLD OCEAN, etc...

      ~Vegas

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    2. This song just came to mind:

      King Missile

      DetachablePenis

      ~Vegas

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    3. Ah yes Vegas to get a rock solid hard on , receive some oral sex..... Delicious indeed. And then to jump in the ocean for it to shrivel. Haha

      I'd probably need a dick for at least a few weeks to do all the things I wanted to do. : D

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    4. Hey Superchick-

      "Ah yes Vegas"

      I like the sound of that.:)

      "And then to jump in the ocean for it to shrivel. Haha"

      I think it would be interesting, to experience that.:) Hee, hee, hee!!!

      "I'd probably need a dick for at least a few weeks to do all the things I wanted to do."

      You read my mind.:)

      As I was writing my comment, I thought a day wouldn't be long enough, to do all of the things I wanted to do with it.:) HA!!! LOL!!!

      I think I would need at least a week, and maybe a month. I don't know if a year would be too long or not-it would depend, on how much I liked it.:) HA!!! LOL!!!

      It would definitely be an experience, that's for sure!!! HA!!! LOL!!!

      ~Vegas

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    5. Just one or two weeks worth of dick we could probably handle. After that we'd want our vaginas back.

      But for you all go a whole month of dick. Haha! :*

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    6. Hey Superchick-

      You're right-I would miss my vagina.:) I love my vagina!!! I love my vagina SO MUCH, that I named her.:)

      "But for you all go a whole month of dick. Haha! :*"

      Superchick, you'd do that for me???

      *****BLUSHING*****

      ~Vegas

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    7. Hahaga! You're cute. :)

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  12. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DakEcY7Z5GU

    Jonaid listen if you get a chance. It gets interesting at the 13 minute mark and on. But it's pretty much his testimony the whole thing.

    It's funny because I've met people who convert from atheist to believer.
    Then I've also heard the flip side from believer to atheist/agnostic.

    But when he spoke from 13 min on I was very receptive. Reminded me who God uses.The bible users people that have committed murder.

    A few examples were Moses, King David, and Paul that all succumbed to committing murder..

    The natural minds sees the things of God as foolish. It cannot comprehend and mocks it. The spiritual mind I believe is very receptive to it. But each to their own beliefs and convictions.

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  13. I saw this one yesterday after I posted the other one. I asked ME what she thought about his sociopathy. I was really intrigued by the bow & subsequent call to God (as opposed to Jesus) because I experienced something similar. His post-conversion life is a disappointment tho. I think he's channelled his psychopathic tendencies towards attacking & caricaturing Islam. That's all you find on him on YouTube and it's done in a very frivolous, boastful, psychopathic manner. People are weird.

    The Qur'anic perspective on those God "uses" is somewhat different from the Bible's. The Messengers made mistakes but never committed grave sins (Moses unintentionally killed a man defending an Israelite which is therefore technically not murder since it was not premeditated). They immediately relented and God forgave them and honored them with prophecy & divine missions.

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    1. Jonaid-

      "I was really intrigued by the bow & subsequent call to God (as opposed to Jesus) because I experienced something similar."

      His call to God, was a call to Jesus-The Holy Trinity.

      ~Vegas

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    2. Jonaid-

      God (Father), Jesus (Son), and the Holy Spirit are 1-they are The Holy Trinity...

      ~Vegas

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    3. Jonaid-

      Deep down inside, you know Jesus is God and that he saved David Wood, and that is why you shared that link.

      ~Vegas

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    4. Jonaid-

      You advocated for Jesus Christ.

      ~Vegas

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    5. Vegas

      I shared the link because a tamed psychopath is better than an untamed one. He's probably a better human being as a Christian than he was an atheist.

      The Qur'anic message is the simplest, most logical and straightforward: believe in God the One & Only (no partners, not God-head), do good, avoid evil, and you'll get paradise. If you choose evil you'll get evil in return. This makes far more sense to me than any other ideology.

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    6. Jonaid-

      The Christian message is the simplest, most logical, and straightforward: believe in God the One & Only (The Holy Trinity), and you'll get paradise.

      This makes far more sense to me than any other ideology.

      ~Vegas

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    7. "The Qur'anic message is the simplest, most logical and straightforward: believe in God the One & Only (no partners, not God-head), do good, avoid evil, and you'll get paradise. If you choose evil you'll get evil in return. This makes far more sense to me than any other."

      The trinity can feel much confusing to others. And then to others it makes rational sense.

      For me: I need a scapegoat , a mediator , which is Jesus Christ. I cannot earn my own salvation- I fall short and always will...

      I like how it's not determine on how good or bad one is. You come as you are... as it can never be earned. Good works are then produced as an overflow of submitting to a higher power. Not in a legalistic way but in a general respect & goodness for your fellow man.

      Not trying to sound preachy. But hearing your message made the gospel feel more alive to me. I hardly feel that anymore.

      To others it's not their way. I respect that you are my brother in God. You follow the doctrine you feel is best for you Jonaid.


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    8. Salvation can't be earned that's true in Islam too. It is by the grace of God that people are saved. However, one has to make SOME effort towards doing good & avoiding evil.

      In any case, what ultimately matters is belief in God and striving to live a good life.

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    9. Jonaid now you tube is giving me those recommendations on the side to watch. Lol. This one caught my eye. I'm not posting for you to convert and to put down your religious book Quran. But humbly listen. I respect what you believe, as it's your conversion experience. Who am I to tell you any different. Just this one kinda touched me. I understand that it would feel like blasphemy if you viewed Christ as the Son of God. Overall you love God and desire salvation. Most people wants to know that some type of heaven exists in the afterlife.

      But to others that don't have a particular faith it sounds like clanging rubbish. I'm a multifaceted individual. I always have been. It's kinda fuckeen weird. Lol. I've always been a believer of an intelligent designer behind evolution. I believe we have evolved as well. Science doesn't lie also. It sounds like an oxymoron but in my mind that's how it works. It's like I can take the two together to find equilibrium. Lol. But believing this way is not based on salvation. I could be wrong in the things I spew out. It doesn't matter, it's just my own perception. :)

      I haven't talked about the things of God in a long while ..... ;) kinda wow.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3dyPfpaB1CA

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    10. Neat watch, the guys a little bit odd I'd say, ;) lol, but totally a "uh huh" moment how he mixes science to prove Jesus is Gods son. Watch how he does it.

      K nights no more. Lol I'm sure I'll be accused of sounding like a religious nut. I honestly just like how science backs up an intelligent maker.

      I ain't preaching here. Each to there own. All my bleepin comments, haha.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BT3bw0ZdnLM

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    11. I saw the videos.

      With all due respect, I think the "science proves Jesus is God" is a lame attempt and one that only someone who already believes in the trinity could pull off. There's muslims who do this too: trying to prove the Qur'an thru science. It's a mistake because science is constantly giving new information, often amending old information, and ONLY addresses the material world. God encompasses everything, not just the visible and the material.

      I never thought evolution was a problem for God & religion. The solar system starts off literally as dust. A few billion years later there's humans walking on the planet. That may seem like an infinitely long span of time to us but to God that may well be a blink of an eye. Picture yourself outside the Universe. There's a bang and a few seconds later here we are. I imagine that's how He did it. Just because we figured out how some of the minor details doesn't mean we disproved God. It just that we think too highly of ourselves when we discover something new AND that some of us have ulterior agendas.

      With regards to the clip about christians converting to Islam. Firstly, I don't care that's between them and God. When you understand the nature of psychopathy and it's function in the world, you realize that any belief in a moral deity is better than nothing. If you are like me and need everything to make perfect sense logically & rationally as well as spiritually, than you'll likely find that in the Qur'an. Christians have trouble explaining Islam and sometimes end up branding is as anti-christ or the work of the devil. That makes no sense considering how successful it has been, and the core message of the Qur'an. Secondly, I'm telling you none of the muslims who converted to christianity in the clip have any clue what they're talking about when they mention Islam.

      This is much longer but look how much more authentic this man is & how respectful he is of the tradition he was raised in:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifllgTA2pmY

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    12. I got to the forty minute mark. Supper calls. But he clearly had his own transformation with the Qurans teachings. It talked to him as he came broken, dumbfounded and wrestled at this God character. Prove yourself !! And it all started making sense to him. It's quite sad how he grew up. :( Made me think of the borderline rageful father that was very much unregulated. My own father is rageful and unregulated in environments. Never an alcoholic thou. Never beat my mom. Actually I think my father needed to give us kids a few swatties on the behind. Never would he hit - he'd rage, scream uncontrollably. Then settle down and buy us donuts. Lol. Seriously it's like he'd try to make amends.


      The contrast from the Quran to the Bible about Adam in the garden was quite fascinating to hear. I always believed that the atheist and the religious person are much alike fundamentally inside. One tries so hard to disapprove God, the other to prove he exist. Same theme - on different spectrums. And I've seen it time and again ....a Christian converting to Islam....The Islam converting to Christianity......The Christian so fed up with all the legalistic politics within religion/church and then switching to agnostic/atheist. Real people.... Real minds.... Real experiences.

      A long time ago I watched a veggie tale cartoon called " Are you my neighbour?" I received much "uh huh" moments from that silly little cartoon then I did from any religious text. Lol

      The atheist - the Muslim etc, etc, is my neighbour in God. I respect that. Who am too question otherwise.


      Halle fuckeen lujah !! Lol

      When I was a kid I used to get so mad at God. I'd curse him, I'd swear, it sounded quite disrespectful if anyone heard. Ask him why? Why the fuck did you allow that? But he could handle my frustrations & ramblings against him. I wrestled in my thoughts against him lots as a child.

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    13. Thanks for this very thoughtful reply. The first half was more important I think so you got the main gist.

      I've done a fair share of blaspheming in my time. Most of it, however, was as pun & satire. Obviously as an atheist I didn't really think I was cursing the Creator.

      Intentions are everything. God is Merciful - if He weren't we'd all be long gone.

      Take care!

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  14. Jonaid anything overly zealous & very strict in doctrine can cause havoc. Even Christians. Not everyone bombs in the Islam religion. He goes on explaining that. I like this one. Just listening to it right now while baking cookies. Still not done it. But I like how David is presenting his information here. Take a listen. I can understand how it's going against your own religion. It might feel like he's throwing darts. Don't look at it in that way. He seems very unbiased and just logical in his points he presents. But but ..... I understand where your coming from as well. ;)
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aPBUlZPE95c

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  15. "Hail to the man who went through life always helping others, knowing no fear, and to whom aggressiveness and resentment are alien."

    Love this retweet by M.E., but I'm not Einstein. Still, it's a hopeful viewpoint.

    I think that it's not that we shouldn't sometimes feel aggressive or resentful. How can we not if we're feeling threatened? We simply have to distinguish between useful and dangerous options, choices.

    Anyway, who am I to argue with E. Helping others usually benefits all parties involved. Even if it comes at our own expense.

    Everyone wants to survive gravity and surpass the speed of light.

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