Monday, June 13, 2016

How Wolves Change Rivers

I'm always surprised at how certain some people are that most of the evil in the world is due to sociopaths and that if we could just eradicate sociopaths, we'd have a much better world.

Obviously, messing with anything has unintended consequences that are often unforeseeable and unpredictable. I thought this video (thanks Ryan Gosling tweet!) was a good example of what this looks like.


And in what sorts of ways might sociopaths be stabilizing the human population? What sorts of ways might we be making things more efficient? Making them more antifragile?


292 comments:

  1. First! Suck it, you mofos!
    ;)

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    1. *slow clap*

      Well in tigglypuffer

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    2. Ooh. You stuck around. :)

      Welcome back, swopper.

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    3. Yeah, I missed you, I started an abusive conversation with a colleague, but it just wasn't the same.

      What's your take on the 'Sadists are evil' shit below?

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    4. Yeah. I do tend to have that effect on people.~

      See my take on your shit below. ;)

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    5. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 2:30 PM

      try to

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    6. You're such a boring troll.

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    7. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:19 PM

      this one's persistent

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    8. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:02 PM

      but ordinary

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    9. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:03 PM

      clothes shopping eh

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  2. Resilience is preferable to robustness in a species. Shock accommodation is the value of diversity.

    Remember that good is contextual. We have no idea what human characteristics will be "good" 500 years from now. Good is what works.

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  3. How are we stabilizing the human population and making things more efficient and "antifragile"?

    By exercising leadership and culling the weak: be they ideas or people.

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    1. Nope. By sweeping away the old, cheating turmoil, so the new can have a chance. Nothing stable about it. The flexible survive. The strong break. The weak die.

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    2. Typo. Should be: 'creating turmoil'

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    3. Why "nope"? I don't necessarily think there is a clear cut answer. I can only speak from personal experience, and I don't think I'm a clinical case- just a person with elevated narcissistic and sociopathic traits.

      Good leadership definitely increases efficiency, and sociopaths are frequently well equipped to assume such roles because they are natural risk takers, who perform well under pressure. Culling weak ideas has proved necessary within the context of my work, and I've had to ask people to leave, for the benefit and stability of the collective.

      Can you cite some examples of how you "sweep away the old and create turmoil", specifically?

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    4. Nope nope yep yep nope nope nope. One word answer. So. Droll.

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    5. Nope because I didn't agree with you. It *was* too simplistic, ie no clear cut answer. OK. You go into an organisation. You see things are poorly organised. You see inertia. You basically upset those who are holding onto the 'power', [with a few home truths] because they're the most bullying ones left. Everyone else has found other jobs because they saw where the company's going. Down the tubes. So, cause you don't give a shit about other people's feelings, or the directors', you stir. Stir well. You don't actually care what comes out. As long as something, with new configurations, does. It may be better. It may be worse. But the old dynamic has changed. A chance of moving forward, or an earlier demise. Who cares.

      So. Not always the Leader. The Subversive. Got it? [not being rude. Just saving on typing. You did mention I 'confuse' 8-)]

      That was something I did at two companies, a while back. The directors/project managers hated it. But it works. Cause if it doesn't, people realise the company will go bust. Haller knows something about that too, I imagine. He used to be called in to do stuff like that, no? The Independent Contractor. Or the corporate raider/asset stripper.

      gotta go

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    6. So nope= anyone who disagrees with Kat. Gotcha.

      Don't you think it's a bit narrow and self-centered to objectively disagree with someone's subjective experiences, without first asking them to qualify their statements?

      My point stands, and I cited examples.

      As for yours: I agree. We are not *always* the leaders. I did mention I was speaking from a personal perspective.

      We can be very subversive as well. Even in my position, I am not always open about the scope of my intentions. Strategically speaking, that would not always be sound.

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    7. "So nope= anyone who disagrees with Kat. Gotcha. "

      Or:
      So nope [when under your comment] = someone who disagrees with *you*. You argumentative supremo, you.

      "Don't you think it's a bit narrow and self-centered to objectively disagree with someone's subjective experiences, without first asking them to qualify their statements?"

      I didn't realise you had a rule book of protocols as to how you like to be 'addressed'. Where is it? It needs to be consulted immediately.

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    8. You said you disagreed that sociopaths can help stabilize and render the human population more robust through exercising leadership, and culling of weak ideas. I demonstrated otherwise by way of my personal experiences, which you are in no position to "disagree" with, since what I related is subjective.

      "Nope" [regarding someone else's personal experience]

      +

      "I know better than you" [regarding a subject you have no personal experience with]

      = You being a presumptive, arrogant little twat.

      But since you appear to be all "konfused" again, let me distill it for you in simpler terms:

      You were wrong, I was right. Got it?

      Not being rude. Just simplifying the things that must be filtered through your superiority komplex. :P

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    9. bitter and crankyJune 14, 2016 at 10:44 PM

      no position

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    10. Who are you, and why are you here?

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    11. A,
      I'm going to talk to you soothingly. This is...a blog. People come here to.....comment. Do you know where you are now, A....
      By the way, Bitter and Cranky means you have taken no position but are arguing for the sake of it. Probably. LOL. Who can tell? But it's good, nevertheless.
      8-)

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    12. A,
      Ooh, I've just thought of a few more 8-) Bottoms up!

      A to K: helpfully "simplifying the things that must be filtered through your superiority komplex"

      K to A: simplifying the things that must be filtered through your inferiority complex.

      A to K: ""I know better than you" [regarding a subject you have no personal experience with]"

      K to A: "I know better than you" [regarding a subject you have no accuracy at guessing at]
      [You're probably going to struggle with the nuances of that one]

      A to K: "which you are in no position to "disagree" with,"

      K to A: because we all know how you hate to be disagreed with! You really hate arguing, at All Costs. So there!!! LOL

      A. How can I say this rudely enough that you'll absorb it by osmosis, even. I had not disagreed with you. You're correct about the leadership thing. I qualified it. You just did not get the way I wrote it, and you're still spilling for a fight just as you think I am.
      [To clarify: this is me breaking through the fourth wall, A.]
      8-)

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    13. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 12:19 AM

      I can tell

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    14. [To clarify: This is you making an onerous, odious fool of yourself again.]

      Do yourself a favour, and don't drink and post, autist. xD

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    15. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 12:37 AM

      alliteration eh

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    16. A,
      "This is you making an onerous, odious fool of yourself again"

      Aha! You're awake! Outstanding. 8-) Of course you'll never ever do anything foolish like that, A. Because you are a serious, sensible, authoritative, professional and highly altruistic individual, Elder Stateswoman of SW, full of the milk of human kindness; and you can Let Things Go, like the mature, even-tempered non-grouchy adult you obviously are. No-one's ever gonna catch *you* playing the fool.
      Cause you're not playing. You're the real deal. 8-)
      Bet you're gonna vote for Trump.
      Now *that's* an insult!
      nite. 8-)

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    17. Bitter and Cranky,

      "alliteration eh"

      Favourite of mine. Also, cryptic summary.

      8-)

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    18. Ooooooh, KAT's on fire!

      Y'all better watch out, here comes KAT to smother us all with some "humour"! Goodness gracious, we're done for! Oh the humanity!

      She sure got you, A. I'm shivering in terror now. It's only a matter of time before KAT "lampoons" me too! :'(

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    19. Uuugh. You are just so tedious, KAT. You try and fail so hard at this game, because it is not within your nature to play it.

      Give the, uh.. "humour" a rest, and go back to being the "mature, serious, sensitive, [insert more blah blah blah here] "sociopath" you mistakenly think you are, narc.

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    20. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 2:28 PM

      Uuugh

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    21. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:06 PM

      really bossy

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    22. Why do you consider her bossy?

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  4. I always hear the quote '4% of the investment bankers that led to the 08 collapse were psychopaths'... sounds plausible, but it means 96% weren't and they still did it. Is it not actually moral objection to a sociopaths actions, but moral outrage that the sociopath sleeps well at night?

    My wife and I have joked that no one likes a psychopath until they need something psychopathic done.

    All of the above, purging an entire class of people that one views as mentally handicapped doesn't sound super moral.

    -Chris

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    1. "no one likes a psychopath until they need something psychopathic done."

      That would be true. Just been reading 'Bravo Two zero' by Andy McNab. Case in point.

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    2. If you don't like a psycho until you need one you're a hypocrite.

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    3. 8-)
      That would be quite correct, Jonaid.

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    4. bitter and crankyJune 14, 2016 at 10:42 PM

      EVeryone likes a psycho until they make a fool of you

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    5. Why do they like the psycho until then? Why not after?

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    6. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:25 PM

      you again eh

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    7. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:30 PM

      are you honest

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    8. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM

      do you think about it

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    9. Why is that.

      Why is that?

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  6. Forgot the more relevant portion of my reply.

    Sociopaths can do admirable works in crisis jobs such as first responders without suffering burnout. I've known more than one old veteran who fit the bill. The immunity to burnout due to being able to shrug off outrages and atrocity allows them to be able to develop a deep and broad skill set, perform under pressure and hang around long enough to pass the skills on to the new generation.

    If you could push a button and get rid of psychopaths tomorrow a lot of people would be suprised at the missing cops, special forces, EMTs and surgeons.

    -Chris

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  7. Vegas my love! If you see this been blasting this song lately. Not a fan of pop rock too much but I do enjoy Kelly Clarkson music a lot.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LqCqYP7hDWIhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LqCqYP7hDWI

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  8. To get to Isis you gotta create a women army nation wide. Isis is scared of girls - here's why?

    Stop terrorism violence.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-is-afraid-of-girls-2016-2

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    1. Good point.

      Mr. Hyde

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    2. I should sign up. ;)

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    3. Sounds like a plan. They'd love to have you. Spread em wide now.

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    4. @Anon 5:03 pm,

      Sounds like you're already joined at the groin with the Jihadi mindset. Scared to death of women.

      Mr. Hyde

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    5. ISIS is the antithesis what Jihad is. They're psychopaths, not people who know what a genuine struggle is.

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    6. What is the "thesis of Jihad", then? You have to be a nonpsychopath, otherwise, your Jihad is invalid, as psychopaths do not know what a real struggle is?

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    7. bitter and crankyJune 14, 2016 at 9:54 PM

      I do though

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    8. I am pretty sure that jonaid can explain his religion way better than I can, but I will still try to clear your confusion. Jihad is simply having a country or the world to live with god and religion. There are 2 possibilitys to get to that point: the one you already know, killing people who are against you and help the ones who have your state of mind, which is considered as the weak way afaik. And then the one most of those religious people follow: trying to convince the people with peaceful discussion. This is considered to be the more effective and stronger way afaik.

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    9. Jihad means to struggle against anything evil & detrimental to oneself & society. It starts with the self; you can't struggle against the world's corruption if you're corrupted yourself (that's a hypocrite). ANYTHING that one struggles with with a good intention is a Jihad. This can include making a living, controlling your urges, speaking truth to power, raising your children right, and defending your family, friends, country or religion.

      The only Jihad many folks on this blog (and elsewhere) need to be doing is against their lower selves. They're bartered objectivity & responsibility for lust & pride and then lie about their neurology.

      The modern Muslim world is not free of corruption. In fact much of it is plagued by it. That's why Jihad can appear to be something ugly or dangerous when it is in fact a beautiful concept.

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    10. Thank you Jonaid That is indeed the true meaning of Jihad as it was explained in the Teachings. A subset of people have corrupted it and that is what the west has come to think of it as. The corrupt version. Also if everyone could stop blaming every atrocity that happens on sociopaths that would be just swell. We are a very small portion of the population most spree shooters are NOT sociopathic they hate everyone everything and themselves most of all. It is their inferiority complex that drives them to kill mass amounts of people for publicity. Socios get accused of a lot of things, having an inferiority complex is not one of these things. These guys are on the opposite side of the spectrum form us. They have massive amounts of feels and don't know how to deal with them.

      Sociopaths are also much too self centered and authority rejecting to join religious causes as martyrs, we just don't care. Stop blaming us for your feely killing crap.

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    11. Thank you Jonaid That is indeed the true meaning of Jihad as it was explained in the Teachings. A subset of people have corrupted it and that is what the west has come to think of it as. The corrupt version.

      No, no, no.

      Have you actually READ the teachings in the Quran and Hadith, PB? I have. I have spent months studying them extensively. The ACTUAL teachings are barbaric and reflective of a warmongering tyrant who advocated the execution of unbelievers, apostates, homosexuals adulterers, fornicators, and "mischief makers". The punishment reserved for such indviduals is "huddud" and therefore proscribed by Allah himself. (Only murder is considered a "civil" matter, which means the perp can legally arrange to pay blood money to the victim's family).

      Refer to the source documents yourself. Here are some verse that directly contradict Jonaid's assessment, from Muhammad himself:

      Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

      Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

      Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

      Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" (No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.)

      There are many, many more examples of this in the Quran. The majority would be considered hate speech by today's standards.

      The watered down version is what is corrupt. Thankfully not all Muslims know what their "holy scriptures" ACTUALLY teach.

      Here's a wonderfully articulate psycho who has a few questions for moderate Muslims

      (Yes, he's a psycho with a violent, criminal past. Now he uses his boldness, courage, argumentative prowess and confrontational nature to address the issue of Islam, and what it really teaches. He really knows his stuff and he is a delight to listen to.)

      I agree with you that the majority if rampage killers are not psychos. Jonaid wouldn't, though. He's stated outright before, on several occasions, that he *actually* thinks we're demons. :(

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    12. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 1:58 PM

      too long

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    13. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 1:58 PM

      the one before was right

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    14. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 2:00 PM

      10.34

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    15. Aw. Your attention span too short to accommodate 12 short paragraphs (4 of which are Quran quotes)?

      Poor you. It must suck to be intellectually stunted AND bitter and cranky. Thankfully, most people here do not share your limitations.

      (But you *can* open links, right? I trust that isn't too difficult for you? You should give the one I posted a click. It is very enlightening.)

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    16. How would you know? My Quran quotes were "too long" for you to read, so how would you know what they ACTUALLY say? XD

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    17. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 2:16 PM

      how would you?

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    18. D-uh. I READ them, dumbass.

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    19. What part of "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" and "....that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned;" do you NOT understand? LOL.

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    20. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 2:33 PM

      why do you read it

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    21. Because unlike you, I like for my opinions to be educated, and informed by something other than willful ignorance ("it's too long!") and media driven propaganda. :P

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    22. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:04 PM

      my subjective opinion

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    23. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:04 PM

      can't disagree

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    24. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:05 PM

      for my

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    25. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:07 PM

      really?

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    26. Hey man... If you want to line up to put your head on the chopping block, who am I to disagree, infidel? XD

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    27. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:25 PM

      altruism eh

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    28. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:26 PM

      nah

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    29. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:26 PM

      it's not that

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    30. Puppy:

      By my definition psychopathy (defined as the perfectly sane, healthy mind without any history of abuse or neglect who decides to sell his soul & integrity to satiate his desires) is the cause of all evil inflicted by people. Does that mean every single person who commits evil is a psychopath? No many are their victims (including "sociopaths" as I define them). I use labels to attack ideas, not individuals per say. Only God knows the true intentions of each individual and only He can judge in the end.

      I 100% disagree with the notion that "if we could just eradicate sociopaths, we'd have a much better world." Pinning labels on specific people and then judging them is foolish, dangerous and ill-conceived. It is impossible to know for sure who is and who isn't someone who intends evil as opposed to someone who's just a victim of their biology & environment, with no innate, conscience choice to inflict harm. That is God's prerogative.

      I've been participating on this blog for about 8 months now. You're probably the only person I really respect, despite the fact you call yourself a sociopath and many here call themselves "neurotypical." I also respect M.E. because I think she's like you: she's someone with a good heart who's genuinely seeking the truth & meaning. She just happens to have a neurology that we call "sociopathic." So what? Intentions are everything. She's a victim of her parents. I read her book and benefitted tremendously, particularly from her mentioning that homosexuality was her most accurate means of determining of someone is sociopathic or not. Looking back at my own life, my own family, it answered the biggest question of my life: why I am gay? I gave up my faith 13 years ago when I read the Qur'an attacking a certain nation for practicing homosexuality. I didn't chose to be gay, and I'd happily chose to be straight if that's what you want (God) but why are You attacking me for making me the way I am? Now I know for sure how I came to be as I am and God chose M.E.'s book as a means to open my eyes.

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    31. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:45 PM

      where to start

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    32. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:47 PM

      this one's a handful

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    33. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:48 PM

      but there's something about him i like

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    34. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:49 PM

      sweet

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    35. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 4:12 PM

      but bossy

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    36. Why is that?

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    37. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:35 PM

      why is what

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    38. That.

      Why is that?

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    39. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:48 PM

      being difficult eh

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  9. M.E I understand you point, but this example isnt directly relevant

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  10. Sadists are evil, most people don´t understand what an everyday socio is. The vast majority of criminals are not psychopaths. Most killers and rapists are not socios.

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  11. I loved ME's post and video today. My kids enjoyed the video as well. Just showed them.

    And I can't help but resonate to what she said.

    How often have I also heard that ...." If we just got rid of all the sociopaths" this world would be a better place. Bullshit.

    We need a balanced ecosystem.

    Like what Anonymous 1221 said too.

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  12. Blimey.

    Question, sociopaths: what goes through your mind when someone insists on respect?

    Appreciated.

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    1. Surely anybody demanding or insisting on respect automatically loses any respect through that act alone?

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    2. Cheers - yep I figured that out :)

      New plan.

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    3. Respect is earned. Show me you deserve it and you get it. Otherwise nope

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    4. Addendum. I treat every living thing with respect as best I can. I meant respect for your abilities and thought process and deeds on top of that. That you need to prove.

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    5. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 2:02 PM

      can't be bothered

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    6. No. You can only be bothered to shit-post and revel in your bitter crankiness.

      *Eyeroll*

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    7. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:09 PM

      this one's everywhere

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    8. Day off.

      This one's outta here.

      For now. :)

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    9. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:28 PM

      gone

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    10. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:32 PM

      cunts

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    11. Why is that me? And what does "cunt" mean?

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    12. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:54 PM

      back

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    13. Why is that?

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    14. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 6:01 PM

      attention

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    15. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 6:04 PM

      always

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  13. Why are Sadists evil? Do you think all Sadists are sociopathic?

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    1. Because the enjoy hurting people? Isn't this kinda like the definition of evil?

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    2. There's varying degrees of Sadists. Not all are evil. That's a strong word. But I'm sure many do not so good things. Many do play within limits and respect personal boundaries. All of us can fall into sadistic tendencies whether we like to admit or not. I don't think I'm better or less then. I'm just not a pure all out Sadist. I don't get pleasure from watching someone in pain. But I'm sure some do. It's how it's channeled and used for good of people or not so good.

      Sexually, some people like to receive pain. To someone on the receiving end....its very pleasurable. So the sadist individual is giving them the pleasure they want. Something in the brain region with the pain pleasure receptors are closely activated. Pain = pleasure with some people. With others they don't like it and won't go there.

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    3. Am I evil? No. Am I a Sadist? Yes.
      I take great pleasure in hurting, not in your textbook psychopathic way of defenceless puppies or baby birds fallen from their nests (though apparently as a child I had a tendency to, well, suck them), but in the infliction of mild, moderate or severe pain if necessary on people. People are at their most honest when in pain...torture wasn't implemented for funs sakes after all. I've spent many years studying the human anatomy and how the pain receptors influence reaction, senses are drastically heightened with the stimulus of pain, feelings are massively increased. Adrenaline, the most powerful natural tool our bodies produce is released in droves into the bloodstream and we can become almost superhuman for a short spell.
      Is it evil to give this gift to someone?
      You generalise Sadism to murderers and their ilk, but like most things, Sadism has a very broad spectrum.

      As Superchick so rightly puts it, some people will desire an element of pain in a sexual way, in this the Sadist is being somewhat charitable if you will by giving what they desire, in a self serving way of course, but far from any evil way.
      The word Sadomasochist itself is an amalgamation of Sadist and Masochist, sexually speaking, one with out the other is redundant, so in your arguement, does that mean Masochists are good?
      I think there is a massive difference between Sadism and evilness, like MEs original post, sociopaths are blamed for the evil in the world, likewise if a crime of brutality occurs, it's a Sadist responsible. But it's not always that case at all is it?

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    4. @Swop,

      "People are at their most honest when in pain...torture wasn't implemented for funs sakes after all."

      Au contraire. People who are being tortured will do anything to make it stop. Lie, sell out their families and their soul to the highest bidder.

      Yes, sadism has a broad spectrum. There are those who inflict moderate pain for sexual or social satisfaction with _consent_, and those who do not. The latter are dangerous individuals.

      A chartable self-serving sadist is an oxymoron.

      Taking joy in hurting others is strange. Why do you like it? Please explain.

      Even if certain people deserve it (you know who I mean ;), it's difficult for me to embrace the idea of inflicting physical/emotional pain. It's one thing to destroy someone's rep through a court of law because they swindled millions, quite another to deploy a thousand cuts to the ecosystems that support all life, including socios. Corporate socios who exploit living things like objects, suffer the Midas syndrome. Midas starved amid piles of gold.

      I do wish NTs would stop wanting to lynch all socios. Genocide of any sort is stupid, barbaric and revolting.

      However, wolves take what they need to survive. Nothing more. Wolves don't wipe out the sheep and the grass they eat, pollute the streams and soil. Wolves spread nutrients to the forests and change the course of the rivers from sheep and wolves drink. Noble beasts compared to what human psychopaths, NTs and empaths do, destroy for personal gain at the expense of countless species and the biosphere. Not to mention financial, etc. I know a corporate/financial sadist, btw. Her victims surround me.

      Human nature is inherently both "good and evil," in the sense that we all want to survive. We act according to our abilities and desires. The choice is ours.

      Mr. Hyde


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    5. Mr Hyde
      If someone gives a portion of their wealth to what they seem a good cause, it's considered a charitable (or chartable, call it what you will) act, yet said contributor feels within a sense of grandeur, a goodness if you like at having done his/her bit. As oxymoronic as it may be, it still rings true.
      The Sadist gets pleasure from giving (sexually speaking now) what the other wants...i.e., a charitable act of sorts, that is indeed, self serving.

      Why do I like hurting? Hmm, pretty tough to pin down that one.
      Apart from the sexual side of things, which is basically foreplay for me, it's a power trip I guess.
      I don't go around jabbing people in the eye or giving Chinese burns to strangers in the supermarket queue. I teach martial arts and self defence and I suppose the enjoyment level has grown over the years, it's quite a euphoric feeling to have somebody drop to their knees at your hands in agony, but an agony that is delivered in a way that they can laugh through it, like when our fathers used to squeeze our knees as kids, it bloody hurt but still made us laugh...as I say, I'm not evil, but it's a pleasure in itself to inflict on someone, to show them how their body can be manipulated, controlled through touch and movement, how incomprehensible pain can be administered without implement or device...and then asked, please, show me how to do that.
      There's a little bit of Sadist in us all, which is my arguement against the 'Sadists are evil' statement.

      I'm not an advocate of torture, though I do agree it certainly has its benefits, but my point being it was devised to extrapolate truths, through the lies and family selling. pain is the most primal feeling we have, I agree people will lie, maybe I used a bad analogy, my point being the way people react - screams, laughter, tears, begging, a desire to imitate.
      I have control issues yes.

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    6. Swop,

      Funny you should mention torture, just after I'd read this yesterday:

      http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-fbi-nazi-interrogator-20160610-snap-story.html

      The guy found that of the 500 USA pilots he's interviewed, he got useful information out of all of them bar 20. His secret? He was nice to them. He did extensive prior homework and then manipulated their assumptions about what they thought he knew. They spilled the beans.
      The FBI have been funding new research currently, a report due shortly.

      Everyone has control issues it seems. They either want it, or want someone else to have it in their stead.

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    7. Mr Hyde, you make lots of valid points I enjoyed reading that. You really tuned in to a lot of things that deserve attention and pondering on.

      Swop you also make lots of valid points of recognition and I also enjoyed reading your responses as well. I understand where you're both coming from. I'm just a neutral type of individual and believe different strokes for different folks. You're pretty normal. You just happen to be a sexual sadist who likes the the dialectical relationship power-play of Sadomasochism (the giving or receiving of pleasure from sexual acts). You like to inflict pain but the recipient is receiving a very high level of sexual gratification from it. Most won't openly admit to it but watch a scene or participate in it and granted - sexual urges will arise. Its a switch as the animal sexual urges take over in the body. The adrenaline is activated & pumping just like you mentioned. It's not a pathology like some like to claim. But not all can comprehend it or go here.

      And being a martial arts teacher I'm sure your equipped with self-discipline and self-control. And if one doesn't succumb to abusing that power it's all good. My sons were in Taekwando and the eldest in Judo. I would have like to see them earn their black belt but they took on different directions. I thought of the long term outcome. My boys one day could of had a family business teaching it. But they had a good go of it and I had to just realize they have other talents in them to utilize as well. I was on them for a good six months when they decided to quit. It was actually very heart breaking for me because I saw their potential and I was on them not to waste it.

      So good for you. I'm sure your kids really look up to their father. :)

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    8. I'd like to share something. But sadly I know it can be used against me. But here it goes. I don't trust people....just a select few. People use vulnerable states against people all the time at the right time to gain incentive over situations. When you trust someone and they don't use vulnerable states against you - you made a friend for life I believe. Because we all experience vulnerability. I was almost a young teen when this happened to me - nothing sexual - just an experience of the power play over something innocent. I quickly couldn't believe why I would succumb to something like this. At the same time I did experience a type of power that indwelled & gave me strong feelings of europhia. But I quickly recognized I was abusing my power and Immediately just stopped and cared for it instead. I felt bad. Years later I still ask myself ... "why did I even do that?" What's in me that I would even think of doing that. Because it was cruel. I will not even say what I did because I feel shame for it. It was out of character.

      Id get off the school bus and run to it just find it there waiting for me to be fed and nurtured. It was always by my side. Id bathe it....feed it.....pet it....play with it.....until one day my parents got rid of it. I was so hurt they'd do that. I worked as a waitress serving food and coffee at the Italian hall just on weekends three-four hour shifts and used all of my pay check earnings buying its food. My dad got me the job at 11-12 years old because he was a member of the hall. Now there's laws in place that you can't work that young. First day I entered grade seven the thing I cared for so diligently was gone. I still remember the outfit I wore that day. I remember my Aqua coloured fitted knocker-bockers with buttons on the buttoms , lol. Running home to find it not there. Part of me knew my parents got rid of it because I started feeding other strays.

      The next day...the following day ...... and so on I kept waiting for it to come back to me. Looking around the neighbourhood. But I knew it had to be gone. It was so diligently waiting for me every single day. I was heart broken because I developed a strong attachment to it. Years later my mom and dad admitted to taking it away and putting it on a farm. I think my mom felt bad and she bought home a pet bunny months later for me to care for. :)

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    9. I'm jumping into this convo a bit late, but better late than never.

      I'm a sensation-oriented sadomasochistic switch, so I can only speak from my own perspective- but I don't think it makes me evil. I tend to agree with Superchick and Swop that it is only destructive and harmful if it is non-consensual.

      Physical pain is literally processed as pleasure by sadomasochists. It could be on account of crossed or faulty wiring.. Who knows? All I do know is that I have been this way for as long as I have been sexually active. I've been into sexualized violence before I even knew there was a term for it. At this stage, we engage in a lot of very risky forms of edgeplay, because we know and trust each other so intimately. We literally trust one another with each other's lives on a regular basis, and that really enhances intimacy in a way that nothing else can, in my experience. A relationship like ours lends itself to such intimacy because of the confidence levels required. When I say we don't need safewords, it is because we are so exquisitely attuned to each other's signals. We are literally one flesh. But I would never recommend knife play, or other forms of edgeplay, with a new partner, especially without a pre-existing foundation of trust.

      The submissive SHOULD ultimately be in control, Mr. Domly Dom- otherwise you're an abusive cunt. 'Tis a fine line you tread, ya know. ;)

      I am more of a sexual sadist than an emotional one. The appeal is in exercising power over someone who craves it... watching them cringe, squirm, and finally yield under you. Tasting their vulnerability. Watching every microexpression on their face as they give themselves up for your pleasure... moaning, writhing and blissing out in subspace. It's all so delicious and erotic.

      Emotional sadism is satisfying if my target is impersonal, deserving of my contempt, or robust enough to handle being torn down a bit, but I try not to indulge in it too much.

      It makes me harder, and I already have an issue with being too callous.

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    10. Sweet Jesus (sorry JinnAid (I'm not) ), are you actually agreeing with something I say A?!
      Better late than never.
      As far as the Domly Dom statement goes, we just have a different perspective on it, I genuinely believe that if a submissive truly wants to submit, then frightening as it may be initially, until the trust is fully established at least, then submit she will, fully, I'll take complete control of her and no safeword will deter me from taking what I want.
      That's submission.

      Knife play is a delicate subject, I whole heartedly agree it's not something to be taken lightly, but it can also be the ultimate trust builder. Get a submissive to hold her head high, expose her throat to you whilst you brandish a scalpel, and you know the trust is there to do as you please.

      I'm not a fan of emotional Sadism, not to say I haven't done it, but it's more of a breaking art than a pleasurable one, like A, I am a sexual Sadist, but I have developed a love for stuff outside of the bedroom.

      Superchick, here's the place you can be anonymous and get shit out without (supposedly at least) judgement, I'm intrigued as to what has your guilt levels rocketing, as I often explain to friends, guilt has one purpose far as I'm concerned, to make you feel bad about things that make you feel good.
      Whatever you did, feeling guilty over it isn't ever going to change it. From your tale of looking after a stray, you're clearly a very caring and conscientious soul, so don't worry about a blip...please, do tell

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    11. Yeah. That is why I qualified what we do as "sensation-oriented". We'll both switch, but neither of us is particularly submissive.

      You said you like being whipped, so obviously you're a masochist too. That doesn't make you submissive. I do understand the difference. I am too, which is why I identify as a switch. But in terms of "orientation", I am definitely more dominant. More often than not, whether I top or bottom, I call the shots.

      I've never used a scalpel (the thought just gave me a delicious thrill) - but we will use the sharp edge of a blade. And I agree that knife play is the ultimate trust builder. Especially when the sub is blind-folded. It is one of my favourite kinks.

      There is nothing quite like watching the blood pulse under someone's jugular when they willingly bare their neck for you, is there? Heh.

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    12. You and I are switches in what I identify as the purest form of the word.
      We are both dominant types, though I have no submissive tendencies whatsoever, so I don't switch in that aspect, I do class myself as a Sadomasochistic switch yes, I can't label myself as a Masochist because my love of pain isn't a um, I dunno, a necessity? I just love the feeling of drawn out agony, it's certainly grown over the years.
      I have very Masochistic nipples.
      But I'm far too Domly to switch outside of sadomasochism. I'm so fucking Domly my dog waits by the door on his knees in a maids outfit. My cup of tea makes itself, purely out of respect.
      You may cum now.

      Scalpels are amazing. There's a reason a surgeon doesn't use a kitchen knife, the delicacy and precision offered by a scalpel is second to none, the slightest pressure worlds results. Safari fixation is simple with one.
      I'd recommend a number 3 handle with a number 10 blade, other blades I feel can be too, scratchy, the clean cut of a 10 is almost painless (by almost I mean, not painless at all...it's a scalpel, it fucking hurts).
      Have you looked into cell popping? Again, spectacular results can be easily achieved.

      Ah the pulsing neck. What a beautiful image you've put in my head. I'll take that neck and sink my teeth into it, suck so viciously I'll taste her blood through her skin.
      I do love this shit, see A...I told you we were alike, even through your weight issues ;)
      Like you, since I've been sexually active, it's all I am.
      I remember when I started having sex, thinking 'is this it? Is this what all the fuss is about?' Then a girl, slapped me round the face and bit chunks out of me...that was it for me, no going back if I wanted to

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    13. Ahem...that should read 'scarification' not for some bizarre reason, Safari fixation of course

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    14. bitter and crankyJune 14, 2016 at 9:19 PM

      masochistic nipples eh

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    15. Even though I have no submissive tendencies whatsoever, so I don't switch in that aspect, I do class myself as a Sadomasochistic switch yes, I can't label myself as a Masochist because my love of pain isn't a um, I dunno, a necessity?

      All these labels are confusing. I like to give and receive pain. I just do what feels good.

      I have very Masochistic nipples.

      Mmm. :)

      But I'm far too Domly to switch outside of sadomasochism.

      Outside of sadomasochism? I’m a bit controlling. But I am married to a strong person who *knows* me for who and what I am, and isn’t afraid to call me on my crap and push back. :P

      I'm so fucking Domly my dog waits by the door on his knees in a maids outfit. My cup of tea makes itself, purely out of respect.

      You may cum now.


      Fuck you, er, thank you, Sir. ;)

      Scalpels are amazing. There's a reason a surgeon doesn't use a kitchen knife, the delicacy and precision offered by a scalpel is second to none, the slightest pressure worlds results. Safari fixation is simple with one.

      I'd recommend a number 3 handle with a number 10 blade, other blades I feel can be too, scratchy, the clean cut of a 10 is almost painless (by almost I mean, not painless at all...it's a scalpel, it fucking hurts).

      Have you looked into cell popping? Again, spectacular results can be easily achieved.


      I know *exactly* what you mean about a very sharp blade wing almost painless, but I actually prefer dull blades, because then you can press the sharp side against a person’s skin- and even apply a bit of pressure. You can push your partner’s limits in all sorts of creative ways... Like swiping a cold blade swiftly across their neck, and putting your tongue right where your knife almost opened their throat… Or blindfolding them, and scratching your knife all over their body. :)

      For me, it’s a very visceral thing.

      I’m not into scarring or body modification, but I most assuredly am not against lashes, scratches, bruises, or the occasional letting of blood.

      Ah the pulsing neck. What a beautiful image you've put in my head. I'll take that neck and sink my teeth into it, suck so viciously I'll taste her blood through her skin.

      Fuck, yeah.

      I do love this shit, see A...I told you we were alike, even through your weight issues ;)

      ...Except I’m no doubt in better shape than you, tubs. Quite often, people expose their weaknesses by broadcasting what they revile about themselves, and projecting it upon others. ;)

      Then a girl, slapped me round the face and bit chunks out of me...that was it for me, no going back if I wanted to.

      Hot. And pretty similar to what happened to me. I discovered what I liked when an ex and I started beating each other during rough sex. He’s the person I was with immediately prior to my current partner. After that, there was no going back for me either.

      Ahem...that should read 'scarification' not for some bizarre reason, Safari fixation of course

      LOL! Of course. XD

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    16. I can honesty listen to A's and Swops variety of erotic practices & wide range of power dynamics/switching practices all day. Part of me would like to watch both of you at play with your partners of course.

      ;)


      To watch the artists and the canvasses relationships play itself out together is really enticing and just a huge turn on to me. Yum.

      Question:
      Do you support ProAnna "thinspiration?" You talk about A's weight and its why I'm bringing this up. Please be patient with me as I express my sentiments on this matter. I use my phone so I don't edit stuff whatsoever, hopefully you get what I expressing here.

      Why does weight matter to many people? I have an eating disorder that took me years to gain recovery from. I will always be in recovery...it will never go away (like an alcoholic) I just accept that and refuse to obsessively exercise like I used to previously in my life. I was at war with my natural frame. Large tits - a proportioned smaller waist - hips and I have ass. Not in a bad way I just naturally have that hour glass frame that I tried to fight since I entered puberty. I don't ever want to hate my body like I used to before. I embrace it and accept it. The last twenty pounds society would like me to loose or judge me on will cause me to go into a vicious cycle of eating disorder behaviour. I'm not there yet I suppose. So I rest in the fact that being a size 10 (yes double digits) is where my body will rest and probably stay for a very long time. I know my frame supports a size 8 gracefully .... (if she can only loose the last twenty right ) ? ;) but I can't go there because I get sick and just want to go lower and lower when I do. Size 6 sounds inviting , see what I mean, then size 4 and so on. I cannot weigh myself either. It's a number that's has no significance to me except for doctors and the nutritionist to discuss. The lower I go the more powerful I feel. It's a rush of adrenaline inside. But it's a false illusion in my mind and took me a lot of years to recover from or else I will die from behaviours.

      I had to learn how to mechanically and implement structured eating habits. I cannot go more than approximately three-four hours of not eating something. It's sounds weird but I follow the Canada food guide (not perfectly) but it's a guide. Any eating disorder individual who gets treatment will follow there own countries food guide to attain recovery. It's implements structured normalized eating and goes against societies view of healthy. Because it's not healthy.

      Just wanted to share where I was coming from . :-)

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    17. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201408/the-psychology-sadomasochism

      Here's a read I like. Don't agree with all aspects but also liked lots of stuff from it too. I enjoyed the different varieties of comments afterwards. Everyone came up with their own conclusions. So neat to read.

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    18. Superchick, I have nothing whatsoever against plus sizes, and I mean nothing, I can find a bigger girl just as sexy as a tiny one if the mindset is right.
      And as I'm sure A is well aware, I don't really believe she's overweight anymore than I believe she's a spastic...but I'm pretty sure she's a man.

      The reason you enjoy our exchange is because we both, get it, I can tell by the way she talks it makes her heart beat faster and harder too when she talks about things, it's why we do what we do...it turns us on.

      A, I love your comment on the blunt knives play, you're clearly very passionate about what you and your wife do, and I dig that, fist bumps and high fives all round.
      I'm really not one for labels either, but I know some people like to prove they know what they're on about by using all the correct terminology, I'm an advocate of, just because there's a drop down menu of titles, doesn't mean you have to fit into one.

      Visceral. Good word sir.

      I'm actually a bit underweight if anything, but keep myself very fit too, when it comes down eventually to survival of the fittest, I can run faster than most.

      Branding?
      My girl and I have started discussing branding her. Any thoughts?

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    19. Swop,

      You have control issues -- ya think? Lol. How do you feel when things/people are beyond your control? I ask because I find most externalities are beyond my control, so I don't worry it too much, unless survival is at stake. I let those things/people go on a visceral level . . . because in the end I don't believe I can control anyone except myself.


      "If someone gives a portion of their wealth to what they seem a good cause, it's considered a charitable (or chartable, call it what you will) act, yet said contributor feels within a sense of grandeur, a goodness if you like at having done his/her bit. As oxymoronic as it may be, it still rings true.

      Slippery slopes don't always lead to falling into the ugly pit of self-congratulation. Some people give freely, without thought. Like the sun or rain, they shine or shower on those who happen to cross into their weather zone. If giving results in some kind of cost-benefit calculation, it's borne of self-interest, not generosity. I believe there are people who can't help themselves. It's a spontaneous, natural act for them to give.


      The Sadist gets pleasure from giving (sexually speaking now) what the other wants...i.e., a charitable act of sorts, that is indeed, self serving.

      Do you enjoy doing stuff that isn't self-serving? Do you take equal pleasure in creating joy? I'm curious.

      Why do I like hurting? Hmm, pretty tough to pin down that one.
      Apart from the sexual side of things, which is basically foreplay for me, it's a power trip I guess.
      I don't go around jabbing people in the eye or giving Chinese burns to strangers in the supermarket queue. I teach martial arts and self defence and I suppose the enjoyment level has grown over the years, it's quite a euphoric feeling to have somebody drop to their knees at your hands in agony, but an agony that is delivered in a way that they can laugh through it, like when our fathers used to squeeze our knees as kids, it bloody hurt but still made us laugh...as I say, I'm not evil, but it's a pleasure in itself to inflict on someone, to show them how their body can be manipulated, controlled through touch and movement, how incomprehensible pain can be administered without implement or device...and then asked, please, show me how to do that.

      Glad to hear you have a constructive outlet to plug into to power trip. Martial arts are great. Tai Chi and so on. I prefer the art of dodging, using my opponent's strength against him, getting him to slam his fist against a wall. ;)

      There's a little bit of Sadist in us all, which is my arguement against the 'Sadists are evil' statement."

      Yup. Consent is the key. As for evil, it's a meaningless word, means different things, depending on the time and place in history.

      @Superchick & A

      I have seldom seen you girls so excited. ;)

      Mr. Hyde

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    20. None, except that I'm a woman- so that would "Ma'am" to you. ;)

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    21. I'm not a man. I'm actually a very feminine looking woman, with hair almost down to her ass, and more pretty summer dresses in the closet than I know what to do with. (I love clothes shopping! :D)

      But don't worry. I've heard that *many* times before, here. Lol.

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    22. @Chiquita,

      I hear you. I'm a tall, muscular size 6. I work out hard, on a regular basis, so that I can practice the extreme sports I enjoy with ease.

      After having kids, I went up to a size 12 ,and I'll be damned if my body doesn't want to go back to being chunky. I have a REALLY slow metabolism, and the ONLY way I can maintain my weight is by keeping my caloric intake to under 1200 calories a day. That isn't a lot for someone who works out the way I do, so in counting my calories, I make my calories COUNT.

      I eat ridiculously healthy, all the time. Organic, fresh produce, high quality protein, healthy fats, and whole, unprocessed foods. It helps that I love to cook. The thought of eating a full chocolate bar, drinking a can of soda, or even eating a piece of cake is laughable to me. I can't. I've had to accept that I can either feel sated, or get fat. In some ways, it IS like having an eating disorder, except I do 't have a distorted body image. I don't want to be skinny. I want to be STRONG. (And I am. I work out with a 35-lb weight. I beat a 16 year old boy at an arm wrestling match a few months ago. The guy thought he was such a badass, and I look so unassumingly feminine. That put him in his place real fast, lol)

      I had to make a choice along with certain sacrifices. But the funny thing is, when you start to eat really healthy, you don't miss the garbage anymore. My body craves the good stuff.

      As for you, be kind to yourself. Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes. Sexual attractiveness is about who you ARE, not what you look like. And for some reason, I'm sure you look *delicious*, pretty girl. I'd like a taste- whether you're a size 6, or 16. ;)

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    23. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 2:04 PM

      living the dream eh

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    24. Yeah. Goes along with not being so bitter and cranky all the time.

      But how on earth did you come to that conclusion? After all, the conversation comprises wrote SO many paragraphs, and you don't appear to be capable of shit-posting more than three words at a time XD

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    25. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 2:20 PM

      figures

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    26. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 2:23 PM

      comprises wrote

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    27. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 2:24 PM

      which came first

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    28. It was a typo. I originally said "after all, the conversation we wrote comprises SO many paragraphs", but decided to shorten it to "the conversation comprises..." because that's more succinct, and therefore better suited to your gnat-sized attention span. :P

      I just didn't bother correcting it.

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    29. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:10 PM

      too short

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    30. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:12 PM

      conversation we wrote

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    31. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:15 PM

      conversation comprises wrote

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    32. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:17 PM

      not that

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    33. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:14 PM

      better never

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    34. I can honesty listen to A's and Swops variety of erotic practices & wide range of power dynamics/switching practices all day. Part of me would like to watch both of you at play with your partners of course

      ...And I'd love to let you watch. But somehow, I don't think you'd stay passive long. ;)

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  14. You could test this. Insert one or two sociopath in a small community. See how they "improve" it.

    It's so funny. That every time i end up reading this. Its again the sociopaths are some sort of subspecies with super important function.

    I´ll go see if cerebral palsy people are trying to figure out the same thing.

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    1. Lol this is true. Unfortunately some "sociopaths" cope with their emptiness and hidden thirst for meaning by puffing up and telling themselves their sociopathy is a gift. It's ironic because I actually do believe many "sociopathic" people are gifted in many ways but sociopathy is not one of them. Sociopathy is the delusion, the disease, which ends up wasting their true potential.

      If your intentions are good, you can harness the ability to control your emotions to make a lasting positive impact on society. Intentions are everything. Empathy-deficient people are gifted IF they're truly honest with themselves and others, accept that they are lacking in something (instead of lying to themselves and thinking they're superior) and utilize their skills for good (intended good).

      It's the humble & honest ones who are usually the greatest people. A sociopath with those traits is the greatest of the greatest.

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    2. Lol, what?
      First you tell us that sociopathy wastes people's potential, and that it is a delusion. Yet you tell us that, if somebody is a sociopath, and he is humble and honest, he is the greatest of the greatest, just because he is a sociopath?

      Which is it, Jinnaid? Is sociopathy a waste, or the catalyst for being the best of the best? You can't have both.

      Intentions are everything
      So, if somebody kills somebody, steals something, ruins lives, et cetera, he is excused just because "his intentions were good"? Even after there is proof he is in the wrong? Even after he sees the proof but dismisses it?
      "Oh, forgive me, Your Honor, for killing my neighbours, making their families cry in sorrow, making my family depressed. I had good intentions, good intentions are everything!"

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    3. SocioEmpath,

      Keep trying. It's nearly funny ....don't worry .....you'll get there in the end. You're just too confused. Stop being confused ....or predictable ....and you might end up ......eventually .....funny. Maybe not in an amusing way though. Bantering 8-) ...yes, smiley there, passively-aggressive being what you *can* recognise 8-) .....give it up. Hopeless. Try slap-stick. Or 'and the punchline is'-type jokes. Written slowly for all the other imaginary confused.

      Been walked by the dog yet?

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    4. I'd much rather drive a skateboard straight into a hornet's nest, while being peed on by a hobo and set on fire, rather than become, even slightly, what you would consider as "funny".

      And really, confused? In what way, exactly? Tsk, tsk, tsk, now you're just Jonaiding. Pretty soon you'll be goin' Jihad all over us.
      Surely, you can do better than that! Can you?

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    5. bitter and crankyJune 14, 2016 at 5:55 PM

      socioempath? isn't that a fancy word for cunt?

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    6. Oh no, you've... GASP... decoded my name! Must have taken you quite some effort to come up with that magnificent top-notch insult. Damn you for calling me a cunt!
      Now I'm bitter and cranky, life has no meaning anymore. :(

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    7. ok you be bitter and cranky i'll be cunt

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    8. Oh, how nice of you. You're simply too kind! I wouldn't wanna repay your kindness by appropriating your glorious alias! Don't you worry, cunt 2, you can continue being bitter and cranky.

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    9. bitter and crankyJune 14, 2016 at 7:03 PM

      cunt

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    10. Awww, you're sweeter and sweeter by the minute, mister cranky. :">

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    11. Hey, now! She likes being a cranky old cunt, and no one can take it away from her. Not even you can make her crack a smile.

      Sure made me giggle, though. :)

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    12. bitter and crankyJune 14, 2016 at 9:11 PM

      cunts the lot of you

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    13. A - stop talking about yourself like that:
      "She likes being a cranky old cunt, and no one can take it away from her."

      Yeah I know. That one was easy. LOL

      You're really not that bad. Well, Oh, you are. LOL. Talk to us about your prosthetic moral compass about now. No-one's heard that one before. Oh. They have. LOL

      If you like, we can dredge up some old posts. Then you won't have to bother writing actual new stuff. What with all your real-life professional responsibilities an' all. LOL

      "Sure made me giggle, though. :)"

      Well, things do have to be that obvious for you to get the joke 8-)

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    14. BAC

      "cunts the lot of you"

      Not me, I'm a presumptive, arrogant little twat. Ooooohhhh.

      Heir presumptive is that? LOL
      8-)

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    15. Calm down, KAT. You're getting so excited that you're losing your coherence and composure.

      "I know you are but what am I?" + 5 LOL's = someone's about to blow! XD

      LOL!
      :D

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    16. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 12:27 AM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBlB8RAJEEc

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    17. Hey, KAT! LOL

      Why so serious? LOL
      Awww, you're still at this "banter" thing? LOL
      I applaud thee effort, but, bitter and cranky is already taken. LOL
      Don'cha worry a thing, sweetie, there's always the last place. LOL
      LOLOLOLOLO!

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    18. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 2:06 PM

      this one's a cunt

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    19. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:38 PM

      depends what he means by how

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    20. And how does he mean it?

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    21. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:55 PM

      wasn't talking to you

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    22. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:57 PM

      boring now

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    23. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:58 PM

      cunt

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    24. Why is it boring now?

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  15. Hey, part of my brain insist function because child hood abuse. And one of my biggest defenses is to think i'm special. So i'll just believe in that! So smart!

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    1. bitter and crankyJune 13, 2016 at 5:32 PM

      works for me

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    2. What works for you?

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  16. http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html

    I had a hunch this guy was a self-hating closet case. His being "disgusted" when he was with his dad and saw two men kissing and generally bigoted attitude screams "I'm gay and I hate myself so I cover it up by bashing them." Now we find out he was a regular patron of the place.


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  17. I'm pretty sure his intentions were good. And, as everyone knows, good intentions are everything! Right, Jihaid?

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    1. bitter and crankyJune 14, 2016 at 7:57 PM

      cunt

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    2. Oooooh, I got meself a stalker!

      Oh stahp it, you cunt 2! Don't be such a bitter and cranky ol' cumt! You're makin' me blush! <3

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    3. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 2:13 PM

      http://ow.ly/9CfE301iKRd

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    4. What is that?

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    5. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:41 PM

      you

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    6. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 5:42 PM

      cunt

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    7. Why is that you?

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  18. Listening to President Obama earlier reminded me why I voted for him. The man has a strong backbone, sound principles, and intelligence that are almost unheard of in political circles now. When he's gone we'll realize how brilliant he was.

    Contrast that with the clueless socio narc Trump. Neil Degrasse Tyson thinks Trump made it this far because the electorate is not better informed. I disagree I think a good chunk of the population is like-minded: spoiled, narcissistic and clueless.

    We should change "God bless America" to "God save America."

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    1. bitter and crankyJune 14, 2016 at 9:28 PM

      god bless

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    2. All I heard from Trump here in germany speaks strongly against a sociopath. That conclusion might be easy, since its easier to make him evil like that, but it's more plausible that he is simply dumb and needs a lot of attention since his parents didn't have any time for him cuz they needed to get rich.
      Occam's racor is strongly against your rather complicated choice.


      Sincerely,
      Am interested Reader.

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    3. Please do not lump Trump in with us. He is a Narc through and through.

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    4. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 2:09 PM

      saw it

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    5. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 2:09 PM

      didn't like him

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    6. Puppy:

      You're right here. I should have said "psycho narc," - by my definition of the terms, that would be more accurate. He's definitely more narcissistic than he is psycho. A real psycho would not spew the crap he does openly. They'd be more subtle.

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    7. bitter and crankyJune 15, 2016 at 3:54 PM

      psycho narc eh

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  19. Anyone who is actually confused what sociopaths or narcissist are really like. Not the media hype version. Look up "Ollie Mathews" in youtube. He is currently reading a lot of stories about narc/socio encounters parents etc. Gives you a pretty good understanding what these people are.

    From all the information that is out there, Ollies youtube channel will give you good real life examples. Combine that with some Sam Vaknin, and you can see what these people actually are.

    There is absolutely nothing beneficial in abusing your own children. And this is what narcs & sociopaths will do. There is no such things as loving narcissist's or sociopath parent. They will abuse their children, that is a fact. Now come up with something "positive" in that.

    Think about it!

    If you can come up with one reason that would be good about abusing your own children, even sexually, then you might be a bit sick in the head.

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    1. Do you know the parable of the chinese farmer? I think that is an interesting point about this. Child abuse is something purely destructive, that is true, but is it right to say that there is no possible good outcome? That might be a choice from an extremely ethics based point of view. But the example of the wolves above shows, that destruction with an equally destructive intention can have a positive outcome. Meanwhile a good intention and a building up practice Cab have a negative outcome aswell.

      Sincerely,
      an interested reader.

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    2. Anonymous, you are wrong. We are not all child abusers. Sociopathy is a spectrum, and it can be managed like other mental health disorders. Are all depressed parents abusive? How about all parents with anxiety disorders?

      We may struggle in certain areas (socios may have a tendency to be a little too callous, for example, just as an anxious parent who might have a tendency to be a bit over-protective) but no parent is perfect. If we are honest about our shortcomings, we are just as capable as parents who have challenges in other areas of seeking to improve where we fall short. It is unfair of you to characterize us all as monstrous and abusive. You are making a sweeping generalization the basis of an incomplete understanding of sociopathy, and passing the *opinions* you have formed as the result of anecdotal experiences, and watching Youtube videos on the subject, as *fact*. It would behoove you to be more open-minded and less judgmental in this area before you vilify a portion of the population based upon your lack of understanding.

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    3. I agree with A, Narcs however are abusers. Always. They are just not self aware enough to change.

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