Monday, October 1, 2012

Sociopath fraud

A reader wrote me:


I ended up stumbling across Sociopathworld amongst other websites, all claiming to have the true definition of what a psychopath/sociopath is and how they differ / do not differ. Naturally I was surprised after reading some of your posts how much in common I have with yourself, and a few others who posted, and yet frustrated at the same time. This is caused by the, as far as I can tell, mini war between a) those who claim the vast majority of people on your site aren't socio's, and b) those that retaliate with sarcasm or angst. The frustration is born out of the fact that, as much as these opinions are seemingly coming from sociopaths, there is also the matter of objectivity, in that, there is very little. How to tell the sociopaths from the frauds, then added to that, individualism whereby every sociopath is slightly different in certain aspects, thus resulting in what I deem to be, sadly, a possibly subjective/biased source of information. It is my suspicion that the majority of sociopaths will not comment on this site, possibly because of apathy, the fact that they may gain some amusement from merely reading the bitchy, petty comments, or that there is futility in making a comment, whereby the majority would ideally, be understanding.

I must press upon the fact that I do not claim to be a sociopath, only that I share several characteristics which have aroused my attention. However whether these are due to being a sociopath, or merely born from experience resulting in a highly misanthropic, manipulative and moral nihilistic personality type. I have always been slightly different since a child in terms of recklessness and disregard for social norms, however it has only been in the last 4/5 years or so, I have changed more and more (I'm 20 yrs/o). Needing an objective view and with luck, an end to this horrible itch that cannot be scratched as a result of my morbid curiosity, I have started to see a psychiatrist, not for therapy but merely to see if I may be different, if my suspicions are true. I am who I am, and if I am truly different from your typical empath, an amusing and appropriate term, then fair enough.


I replied:
What is a diagnosis? Psychological diagnoses seem to serve several purposes. If the condition or the symptoms are treatable and are causing the individual discomfort, then they serve as a plan of action for how to combat the symptoms. If the condition is not treatable, what then? Specifically for something like sociopathy, is the point of the diagnosis? Keeping people in prisons is one purpose, probably the most practical purpose right now with most of the diagnoses being made on people int he prison population. Warning others? Only if others know your particular diagnosis. What else? Self discovery? Possibly. Or is it to identify some concrete scientific phenomenon that is happening in the human race. I guess if you're a scientist/researcher you would say the latter so you would be concerned with issues of validity, etc., and reject anything or anyone that might hurt that sense of validity (and your funding). Since I'm not a scientist (at least not this type of scientist), I don't care about validity, so it doesn't really bother me to have the diagnosis bastardized a bit. I figure that people who have firsthand experience with sociopathy will be able to recognize themselves in the posts on the site. If they don't, maybe we are something different from each other, although I wouldn't know whether to call me a sociopath and them something else or vice versa.


71 comments:

  1. First!!!!! Bitches!

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  2. Everyone is sociopath, don't have to worry kid. oh, and narcissist too...

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    1. today at work someone told me i'm the biggest narcesist he ever seen.
      filled me with pride.
      Mmm feed my ego
      (he also once told me i have no soul)

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  3. Mindless PleasuresOctober 1, 2012 at 2:33 AM

    For years now, people have played the dull pub game What's Your Porn Name?

    This involves combining the name of your first pet with your mother's maiden name to create the pseudonym you'd use if you were a porn star.

    Peoples – I tell you this as a neuro-typical empath who has only my fellow random anonymous Sociopath World colleagues’ best interests at heart. Beware the porn name game. It is really a veiled scam by the IT guys to get the information to reset the passwords on all your web accounts.

    You’re welcome.

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    1. Laetitia StrangeloveOctober 1, 2012 at 2:53 AM

      thanks Mindless for the friendly heads-up x

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    2. Banjo Electra! Giggity! *pelvic thrusts*

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    3. Mindless PleasuresOctober 1, 2012 at 6:13 PM

      Ha! I knew it. TNP is the bastard love-child of Carmen Electa and Billy Redden

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  4. :) Good morning Sociopathworld and Monica!!!!!!!!

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    1. LOL Do you really think iam a socio? I may be......

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    2. SocioThemes for SociosOctober 1, 2012 at 4:51 AM

      The song is the hint. I choose special songs for anyone regardless of mentalness. My illustrious title is merely what it is. Who knows what you are other than pretty much fucked, right? :)

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    3. He's not very bright. He probably doesn't even know to click on your name to see the song.

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    4. LMAO! You got that right SocioThemes for Socios!!!!! LOL

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    5. Amy died because she wouldn't go to rehab, Rich.

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  6. Rich, you are a socio in denial, like Schwarzenegger:
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/30/us/schwarzenegger-interview/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

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    1. Dude.. Rich isn't a real person...

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    2. Do you really think so? I thought that real sociopaths dont care if they are sociopaths so there would be no denial....... But maybe I am a sociopath.

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    1. Theme for ME for his/her courage to face all of our human natures.

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    2. Skillet? That's fucking horrible you suck up.

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    3. Themes calls it as he sees it, TNP
      The good, the bad and the ugly~

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    4. Not TNP. But look there's Eden hiding behind that bush! Watch out!

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    5. As if I'd resort to using an Anon to make fun of your shitty taste in music. PFFFFT!

      Skillet sucks.

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  8. psychopathy is not in the dsm and so a psychologist/therapist/diagnostician won't diagnose it
    a criminologist(/criminal psychologist) will
    (in belgium)

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  9. "The frustration is born out of the fact that, as much as these opinions are seemingly coming from sociopaths, there is also the matter of objectivity, in that, there is very little."


    Daft much? People are not static. They are dynamic. That goes for sociopaths as well. Diagnosable traits, symptoms, etc, vary to differing degrees, are present or not present, based on the individual. All sociopaths do not present exactly alike. Beyond the "Diagnosis" is an individual human being with their own behaviors, preferences, opinions, etc. Just because you're diagnosed ASPD/sociopath/psychopath doesn't mean you only experience the world through one predetermined, objective, set of behaviors. It's subjective to the human experience.

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    1. indeed i'm a nice sociopath :-)

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    2. ofc the problem is that psychologist look at behavior not sore

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    3. it is not a coincident that a lot of sociopahts get diagnosed schizoïd

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    4. and ofc all the wimmen get diagnosed borderline (some have it some don't)

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  10. who here thinks that children with psychopathic features can be "turend around" (i think "just like his father" is pure bs)
    i think they can but only by themselves

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    1. I think they can be socialized. True psychopathy is almost entirely nature, not nature and nurture that you see more often with sociopathy. With that you can be taught how to interact properly, how to determine dysfunctional thought patterns and behaviors, and learn to act in a less socially detrimental way.

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    2. you could, but if you're low empathy you're low empathy, and some things will always impact interaction. maybe part of teaching kids emotional intelligence is teaching recognition, understanding and respect for different emotional abilities, which gets glossed over in school?

      maybe rather than suppressing flexible personality and manipulation skills, kids could be taught to channel them constructively at an early age? instead of a cookie cutter approach to socializing them?

      then again it's a cookie cutter world...

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  11. Youre a mature 20 yo.Impressed.

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  12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sz7WkzKkKs&feature=related

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  13. Honestly guys, I think I may be a Narcissist.........

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    1. yes you are great

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    2. more power than god

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    3. smarter than eistein

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    4. stronger than superman

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    5. and the b!tch of everyone who's a litle manipulative

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  14. The reader is confusing sociopathy with personality types. Speaking objectively from a researcher's standpoint, I believe sociopathy is more like a set of behavioral patterns within a person that allows that person to be characterized as a sociopath, instead of being classified as a personality type. Sociopaths are as different from each other as neurotypicals are with each other in terms of personality. Also, there is no way of determining who or who isn't a sociopath on this website just from texts and posts

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    1. interesting.

      but don't the behavioural patterns determine personality type? i mean we're actually classifying based on observed behavioural patterns, whether by the outsider or self-reported.

      i mean if i say i'm manipulative, it's because i remember experiences manipulating others, not because i'm aware of some inherent ability to manipulate, like feeling your heart beating. in a way i discover my manipulative like you might if you were observing me, like a third party.

      so then which of these behavioural patterns would form the sociopathy and which would contribute to my personality type?

      or do you mean abilities? but if it's abilities, our abilities and predispositions shape our behaviour, form a kind of framework for the patterns...

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  15. I have to talk to you guys. I have stood up on here, but been a wimp in my real life. Today, I stood up for something, not as a jerk, just strong. I thought I was gonna faint, but I didn't let the person know. Then, I stood up to my mother. I said that if she insulted me, 10 times worse would come back in your face. She was never gonna hurt me, again, or she would pay with much more retaliation than she ever gave me.

    I am so exhausted I could cry.

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    1. You are such a self absorbed bitch. But thanks for the bullshit story, and once again, calling attention on your life instead of talking about the post.

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  16. Alright. So I'm bored, and in need of just one more drink. With no consequences, what would you of SW do?

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    1. Freebase the tears of angels.~

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    2. ::laughs:: I don't even know what that means, but it sounds beautiful and tragic.

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    3. That's a pretty personal question.

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    4. THat's what makes it fun. What would you want to do?

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    5. I already feel like I could do anything now.

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    6. also not comfortable disclosing :D

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  17. I would show who I was, as people do in emergency situations, when everyone gets really real. I would show someone love, if I felt it. I would show someone anger, if I felt it.

    I would show my vulnerabilities. I would show my sexuality. I would be raw and I would be free.

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  18. Hey everyone. I would be me... right now... except I'm already being me, changing and unpredictable, already.


    *No wait!* This is still a desperate cry for attention that, wait,... I have in my real life. I don't actually need here. Scratch this whole thing. I have a real life. I'll get back to that. And back to the people in reality that give a shit.

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  19. If you have no limits..if you can see past the facade other people present, to the real them...what makes them tick, if you use it for your advance, if you know how to push their buttons,

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    1. If you feel like the social games people try to play on you is kindergarten compared with what you imagine doing back, if you feel empty, if you can bond perfectly with everyone and yet no one in truth, if you are an open book and yet no one has any idea of what's really on the inside...on the inside there is something not good or bad just different, something that doesn't fear rules, consequences in the same way as most people...although if most people who know you or think they know you would be shocked if they knew the real you what motivates you how you pursue your own aims self destructive, strange, creepy as they may be. There are moments when I yearn to change..to be like most people around me not just in appearance in the shell I present but inside...sometimes I al ost convince myself that I am and then I do something and realize that I can fool everyone perhaps but not myself that much.

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  20. M.E. do you simply continue to use sociopath instead of psychopath? So far, all discussions about the differences still point to you being a psychopath. Some say that sociopaths are a concept of 'psychopaths' who were not born that way, some say it is just ASPD.

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  21. I whish it was more clear to people who think they are S/P here what that actually means. Because all I see are Borderline and anti-socials who contributes zero to the discussions. Heck I even find some of the Aspies coming here (not to be part of a group, but actually make some good points here and there). Something the posers claiming to be S/P absolutely ignores and instead try to mold themselves into fitting in a group.

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