Friday, April 10, 2015

Taming the sociopath sibling?

A reader asks for our help:

I read your book and absolutely loved it. I’m almost 100% sure my oldest sister is a sociopath and she’s rained some pretty nasty shit on my life over the past 10 years. I told her I was suicidal and she said she couldn’t care a less. [Other facts censored to preserve anonymity.]

I’m now trying to write her an email telling her what I think of her and wondered if you had any tips. What I’m writing will have to be quite damming. I’m actually thinking of doing this in public (on Facebook) to humiliate her but I really need some psychological insight about how best to go about this. I’m actually highly educated (I speak 8 languages) but know nothing about the mind of a sociopath. I’m not writing anything emotional at all because I know that won’t have any effect. Basically my whole family has been her marionettes for years. She’s got my dad under a complete spell and it’s really torturing him. I’ve decided that enough is enough, someone needs to tell her and it’s going to have to be me. Due to childhood problems, I believe she has the unconscious desire to psychologically torture men. I see she does it to my dad and anyone connected to him. Is there anyway you can help me? I’m desperate.

86 comments:

  1. From what I have read on the subject (and I am not a sociopath so can give you no 'inside' information), putting it on Facebook would be a really bad idea. It sounds as if you are in a highly emotional state at the moment (which is not the best time to make decisions that could affect the rest of your life), so please take a deep breath and count to ten because what I am about to say is probably not what you want to hear.

    1) You have admitted that you know nothing about the mind of a sociopath (so you could be wrong about your sister being one). Knowing your enemy is half the battle. Going in blind is not an intelligent response. Step back from your emotions before you make that decision. Do some reading on the subject with particular reference to 'triggering'.
    2) You might be doing exactly what your sister wants by posting on Facebook (that way you come off as the 'crazy one': you are then alienated from your family and in no position to help them). Look up the word 'gas-lighting' before you proceed.
    3) Here's a little fact it took me years to learn: you can't save people who don't want to be saved. Not from depression, illness, addiction - whatever. It has to come from them, inside not outside. You can help them only when they want to be helped. If your sister doesn't feel any motivation to change, your words will have no effect no matter where you post them. If your family doesn't want to see what you see, they won't. Sorry.
    4) By posting on Facebook you are satisfying your needs and not those of your family or your sister. It's a selfish act and will most likely be viewed that way by others. That will sound harsh, although I am 'speaking' in a quiet and detached tone of voice.
    5) What if you are wrong? Shouldn't have to add anything to this point.
    6) What if you are right? You will have put a great big target on your head and, even if you succeed in 'humiliating' (bad reason for doing it) your sister, you're not offering her an alternative to her current actions. Stick but no carrot? Generally just breeds resentment. Attacking anyone (let alone a sociopath) is forcing them to defend themselves. I can almost guarantee this approach will cause you far more damage than good.
    7) Remember that employers nowadays read their employees' (or prospective employees') social media posts: think beyond what you are feeling now. Also point 2 repeats regarding your relationship with the rest of your family.

    I've put these points in a particular order. As someone who has dealt with a similar situation, I do not recommend the course of action you have proposed. At best, approach your sister quietly (with emotion switched off) and stick to a script you have written that calmly and clearly (without emotional references) depicts what you wish to communicate. At worst, detach from her.

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    1. NB The reason I say not to use emotional references is because sociopaths have a very different way of experiencing the world than neuro-typical people. You have a better chance of real communication if you research the subject of sociopathy and learn 'the language' - here you have an advantage as a linguist.
      Saying you feel suicidal to a sociopath has no meaning for them because (according to everything I have read) they simply don't ever feel that way. Try something more like "this damages how we work together".

      I'll hand over now to the people who can give you 'inside' information.

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    2. http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/resensitization-coming-back-to-life-after-trauma-0223154

      (Might be helpful for later)

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  2. A,

    I do not like the way you've "connected" your thoughts in the lines of this comment (i.e., your inclusion/connection of them within the same comment. Had you not meant to make such a connection, you would have replied in the appropriate place below my own comment.). I am referring to the following:

    "@Sunshine... So.... Does chocolate milk come from chocolate milfs? Bear in mind, your response will determine whether you are both senile *and* flaccid- or just flaccid. xD

    You think yourself so sublime, Teo... But in your efforts to sound cultured, you just sound contrived."

    Hence:

    I do not make any extra efforts. That is who I am. My sounding contrived, together with your false analysis of my character in other comments, amounts to your flaccid misconstructions.

    Indeed, your brain sounds like a flaccid organ, A.

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    1. Smarty ass back in the picture as Teo now? Such distinguished voice, lol.. Smarty tell us what you're exactly suffering from...

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    2. Older sister alrightApril 11, 2015 at 3:30 AM

      Poster.... What if, just what if she's not a sociopath but someone who is sick and tired of listening to your victim bullshit and need to keep the center stage in the family since your birth? Ask your mom, were you born crying? Are you an emotional wreck? And, why? If you're going around telling people you're suicidal you're an emotional wreck. What your sister doesn't care for anymore is listening to your bs as you've learned to up the tragic approaches over time to get more and more attention.

      Just because she is the oldest doesn't mean she's your mother. If you need a helping hand start by giving yourself a hand, don't go around whining and crying.

      And, yeah, it sure is a great idea to post the shit on the Facebook to get a lot of attention (what you're dying for). Except, people will run away from you afterwards as they know how capable you're for going beeper and posting things about people. Who wants to be friends with someone who's eager to expose her own sister. And, what exactly are you going to write? Everything you write will prove line by line that you just are a needy person who has started to deplete her family sources. Enough is enough for everybody. Grow up, assume you're the oldest sister and you do something for a change for your older sisters.

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    3. @ Older sister alright, someone's mad.

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    4. Older sister alrightApril 11, 2015 at 2:54 PM

      Not me, man. I'm in rage.

      Such idiot manipulative suicidal (bullshit) posters.

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    5. "I do not make any extra efforts. That is who I am. My sounding contrived, together with your false analysis of my character in other comments, amounts to your flaccid misconstructions.

      Indeed, your brain sounds like a flaccid organ, A"

      Yes, that is who you are, Two: Uptight and contrived.

      You do, in fact, make "extra efforts"... Substantive ones, in which you post streams of irrelevant videos to support erroneous assumptions in misguided crusades, and conflate every poster whose thinking diverges from your own into a single entity when you are triggered- "highly ludicrous" behavior that is indeed amusing to provoke. You are funny when you get spastically haughty- and I know which buttons to push to incite you. :)

      These non-existent efforts also inspire you to write novels about how "detached" you are- which you ironically intersperse with poetic, fluffy musings on love, as though you were the world's foremost expert on the subject. But the astute reader soon learns to avoid these essays, which are devoid of substance, because they are crafted for the sole purpose of showcasing your intelligence.

      You accuse others of having fallacious thinking, but it is you who consistently misidentify and mischaracterize posters. You are indignant when others respond in the "wrong" locations, yet you yourself often post the same comments twice, out of context, to attract attention, and make sure that everyone reads the cringeworthy rebuttals that you alone believe are so impressive. Your verbose, non-existent efforts on this blog all amount to condescending, self-indulgent tripe, designed to convince everyone around you how superior you are. You are transparent.

      This is the reason you are vilified, here. I am not the only one who can see through the contrived, phony, self-righteous the persona you project , "Smartie". *Everyone* can- except you- which makes toying with you all the more amusing.

      I have many faults, but a flaccid mind isn't one of them. I may use "vaudeville" words like "the boonies", and occasionally make crass jokes, but I am smarter than you. So keep those little snipes coming, Uptight. You feed me ammunition each and every single time you do. :)

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    6. "But the astute reader soon learns to avoid these essays, which are devoid of substance"

      I have to part ways with you here A, ...one doesn't have to be all that "astute" to see through Smartie's "copy and paste so I can act like I know what I'm talking about" bullshit.

      Otherwise - digging your work. 8)~

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    7. @Anonymous April 11, 2015 at 3:22AM:

      (squint): Oh hey Doc! How's work? How is life among the thugs?

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    8. A's wish list and/or wishful thinking:

      1. "You do, in fact, make "extra efforts"...

      2. when you are triggered...

      3. You are funny when you get spastically haughty- and I know which buttons to push to incite you. :)

      4. These non-existent efforts also inspire you to write novels about how "detached" you are...

      5. but it is you who consistently misidentify and mischaracterize posters...

      6. You are transparent.

      7. *Everyone* can- except you- which makes toying with you all the more amusing.

      8. but I am smarter than you."

      And the rest of the points are just the same.

      However, there is such a thing as reality and some wishes are blatantly illusory/unrealistic. :(

      This is what happens when you misidentify a person's "weaknesses." Unfortunately, as the expression goes, you have dug your own grave in doing so.

      So, A, "The rest is just the same, isn't it? It doesn't it really work, does it?"

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ciFTP_KRy4

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    9. HLH's wish list/wishful thinking:

      1. That I "copy and paste..."...so that HLH can feel better about himself.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEoBbp5FWLM

      So, HLH, you always sound the same when trying to attack me, so to speak. It's pointless, isn't it? You need to realize it sooner than later.

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    10. Talking to you, Smartie is like, "clapping with one hand." It is pointless - you like the abuse. It validates you. You're welcome.

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    11. Lol, I concede your valid point, HLH.

      "Dug my grave"?? Haha! What are you going to do, hmm? Post more Seinfeld clips, lol? I'm quaking in my boots.~

      You are so melodramatic, defensive, and easily provoked, Uptight.

      You do write novels. As much as *you* wish it were true, denying something that anyone can verify objectively won't change the reality of it, Narctard.

      You are spastically haughty and uptight. You simply lack the capacity to see yourself as others do, because your degree of self-absorption is psychologically debilitating. I haven't seen such a case of blatant pathological narcissism in a long time.

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    12. Repetitious. It's just always the same (as occurring in other comments): "Talking to you, Smartie is like, "clapping with one hand." It is pointless - you like the abuse. It validates you. You're welcome."

      HLH, do I sound abused or that I feel abused by you?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkaDRvFYoZA

      This is my true state of mind (a visual/example for you). I do hope that you'll get it right this time. It would be a breakthrough on your part.

      LOL

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    13. Smartie, you're a mental masochist - that's why I love to talk to you.

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    14. A,

      Since you're always the same (and sound the same), which appears uptight to me, I believe that you can say onomatopoeia? The operative word here is breakthrough (in tune with my true state of mind when exchanging these comments with you).

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0dZvILqvg

      Let it sink in. Slowly.

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    15. So a few days ago I was a revolting pornographer, and now *I'm* the one who's uptight. LOL. How fitting that you should post a clip of maniacal laughter. You're as crazy as a loon xD

      Let it sink in. Slowly... while I twist it around inside you a little bit more, masochist.

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    16. 9. Masochist?
      10. Maniacal laughter?
      11. Crazy as a loon?

      Let's add these to A's unrealistic/illusory wish list. It'll make "A" feel so much better about himself.

      P.S. You've completely missed my point(s). Pointlessly predictable. It's like talking to a broken record.

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    17. Masochist? Yes, because you set yourself up for and invite abuse with your smug and condescending airs.

      Maniacal laughter? Um... Yes. Both because you make me giggle, and because you chose to represent yourself with a clip of a man in a wig and too much rouge laughing, thinking it makes you appear cultured and witty. That's pretty funny, Amadeus. :D

      Crazy as a loon? Yes, considering the fact that you keep spouting the same reflexive reactions when I engage you, in which you imagine me to be a bunch of disparate posters you don't like, whilst making illogical and contradictory assertions about my character.

      Speaking of breakthroughs and broken records, Ms. Projection... For the last time, I am a woman.

      Let that sink in slowly, too. :)

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    18. A,

      I am not, and I have never been, a masochist. This truth should cover everything else that you've written in your comment.

      Can you say syncopate? Slowly.

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    19. Smartie, you like made to be the bitch you are. Hell, your posts are starting to derivative - you're pathetic.

      Try saying, masturbate...slowly.

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    20. HLH, I have never been a bitch, and watch your pathetic language/pathetic state of mind. It is quite evident that you're on drugs, and the same applies to your partner. The two of you should find a rehab and clean up!






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    21. Face it Smartie, you are dying to be dicked down by a big, hard, uncut cock. That's why you're here - you're hoping that someone will throw you face down on the bed and give it that fat dong while pulling your hair and pushing your face into the carpet.

      Do you like to be choked? A lot of people who like this treatment like to be choked...

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    22. Hey, hey, now. Ain't nothing wrong with liking to choke and get choked xD

      I don't think Teo is interesting enough to crave something so visceral. She is comes across as inhibited, self-conscious, and awkward. She probably wants her man to explicitly request consent everytime he puts his hands somewhere new. And he had better not talk dirty, or she'll tell him to watch his filthy mouth. She sounds like she's about as much fun inside the bedroom as out of it. :P

      Maybe she's asexual.

      Are you, Teo? There is no shame in it.
      You can tell us. :)


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    23. I"ll just leave this here in case Teo ever decides to try something new:

      http://www.dangerandplay.com/2011/12/26/how-to-choke-a-woman/

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    24. It's kinda funny when doc tries to impersonate.

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  3. Getting back at her will serve no purpose now that your are an
    independant adult.
    You say she has your father wrapped around her finger. Do you think they
    might have had sex?

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  4. Public humiliation can backfire dramatically, keep that in mind. I don't know you or your sister, but if she's a sociopath, you better refrain from doing something like this - or at least that would be the most risky and shortsighted measure you could possibly take against me, and I tell you why.

    My ex tried to humiliate me in front of the whole class back in school, knowing how impulsive and (sometimes) aggressive I could be. Provocations, in an admirably subtle way, were the tools of choice and of course it didn't take long until I just couldn't keep quiet any longer. We got into several fights which only ended well because my classmates had the courage to hold me back (and I had the tunnel vision not to fight against them too). Now, you might think my ex succeeded in showing what a "monster" I was? Wrong.

    I played the game and won. I manipulated more than two thirds of the class and some of the teachers into believing "my side" of the story, which, of course lead them to believe that I was the victim. I spread rumors and half-truths, ruining his reputation for good. People now believe my ex is a stalker, depraved idiot, drug addict (I indicated 'just' pot, but this story developed a life of its own), and into gore and mutilation. Have a nice day, good bye and thank you.

    On the plus side, if you're going to do something long-term to stress her out, you might be successful as to pay back at least some of the distress she had caused you - but be careful about your cards. The suicide card looks like an immense disadvantage for you, it would be damn easy to fabricate a story to make you look like an untrustworthy, pathetic attention whore, no matter how good or logical your justification is. Never underestimate the emotional fury of a public crowd. They don't care about who is in the right or about facts by that matter - they will listen to whoever has the better story, or rather to the better narrator.

    So if you really want to try this, be warned and prepare yourself. Read books about the subject, take a look at social media dynamics, know your and your sister's deck of cards thoroughly and keep the possibility of failure in mind. Listen to SansDire too, they pointed out some very important points.

    I wish you good luck for this adventure if you really do it.

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    1. "My ex tried to humiliate me in front of the whole class back in school, knowing how impulsive and (sometimes) aggressive I could be. Provocations, in an admirably subtle way, were the tools of choice and of course it didn't take long until I just couldn't keep quiet any longer."

      I relate so well to this. I had an Irish ex whose temper was as wicked as mine, but he would manifest it through passive-aggressive sniping when we fought. I invariably responded impulsively and very aggressively, as this is a pet peeve of mine. So while I did act like a psycho bitch with him, on occasion, he deliberately provoked me into a rages. I had much more of a hair-trigger temper when I was younger.

      Nonetheless, I always maintained the upper hand in that relationship, because he was completely smitten with me. He still hasn't had another long-term relationship since I dumped him more than a decade ago. But correlation doesn't imply causation- and he always was a slut. :)

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    2. He was a "gap filler", just someone to follow me around and agree to everything I say or do. I was naive, I thought telling someone that you won't ever love them and they're just there to please me, works... Well, I have to admit the first few months were pretty awesome. He insisted he wasn't into guys, but he was a virgin, and I was convinced sexual orientation is flexible so I'd just had to press the right buttons - which worked quite fast actually.

      Anyways, after about half a year I started to lose interest, plus he began to show resistance against my "tyranny". I broke up with him at our anniversary (coincidence, really.) also because he got way too clingy and followed me around not only in school, but in my free time too, texting me whenever I managed to get away from him. I'm a loner. I need my space to breathe.

      However he had grown extremely attached and of course didn't want to believe it's over. He tried to "fight for our relationship", which was utterly beyond me back then, since I was open and honest right from the start. There has never been anything to fight for.

      Some weeks and "serious conversations" later I had enough and started to show him how much I disliked it that he still followed my every step, I insulted him more often and more intense, since he ignored my polite inquiries. Shortly after that he started to provoke me, in a way I wouldn't have thought he was capable of. No-one beside me saw it, so of course I took counter-measures and pointed out to everyone what is happening and why. I'm quite sure I would have cracked his skull or broke some of his ribs if he would have provoked me somewhere without audience, but he was smart enough not to do that.
      I really would have wanted to see the bruises I caused nonetheless. For months I was on the verge of going into an irreversible permanent rage against him, I'm pretty sure I was. I have to thank him tho, he's the reason I know I actually have a bad impulse control and that I'm an absolute control-freak.

      To be honest, nowadays I see what an asshole I was. I know I did a lot of things which are considered abuse or even domestic violence. I didn't knew it better, I just followed my sadistic nature, totally uninhibited. If anyone would have mentored me, explained to me what I was doing, told me why it'd be a very good idea to change those behaviors, I could have been a totally different person by now. I doubt I'm able to correct everything that evolved in the 'wrong' direction...

      Btw, I always tell everybody this was my longest and most intense relationship lasting 2 years, since it took 2 years until he finally left me alone. Fun time. Somehow. Definitely worth the experience.

      Sorry to spam you, I just love to talk about that part of my past.

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    3. "If anyone would have mentored me, explained to me what I was doing, told me why it'd be a very good idea to change those behaviors, I could have been a totally different person by now."

      Could you please develop that part and tell us what a mentor could have precisely tell you? This could be quite helpful. Because, as they directly affect the core the people they touch, it's very hard to remain clear and to react properly to such behaviors.

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    4. The first and only times I asked people, age 12, whether my sexual expectations are okay or not (couldn't find understandable informations in books, so I asked people I thought might knew) I was met with a reaction I couldn't interpret and further questions were disregarded with something that looked like contempt to me. These days I know it first was a mixture of shock, disgust and probably shame, then it was mostly disgust. Or shock. I'm not sure.

      So I figured I had to investigate that on my own. FYI, I was an angel compared to the sick fuck I am today.

      If my questions back then would have been met with actual answers instead of odd looks, things could have developed differently. I mean, I was a child, nothing more. They could have told me in a respectful, understanding voice that my fantasies could cause me trouble and aren't acceptable. Tho, more precise examples of what could happen could have helped even more than abstract stuff.

      Like, "If you choke someone just a second too long, they might suffer irreparable damages and the whole world will blame you for the rest of your life."
      Or, "If you cut someone, the wound could get infected which could lead to blood-poisoning which might cause irreparable damage etc." like above.

      Exaggerations would have been okay in my case, I was a bold but naive child. Heck, I'm still bold and naive. Just a bit more paranoid than back then.

      Hope I could help. c:

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    5. If you choke someone just a second too long, they might suffer irreparable damages and the whole world will blame you for the rest of your life."

      Apply gradually increasing pressure to the carotid artery, but be *VERY* attentive to your partner's verbal and non-verbal cues. It is extremely important that you not lose control for even a moment.

      Or, "If you cut someone, the wound could get infected which could lead to blood-poisoning which might cause irreparable damage etc."

      Use dull blades for knife play. If you do break the skin, disinfect it afterwards... Once you've done what you're going to do... :)

      My first experience with a woman was also with a virgin. Seducing her was delicious.

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    6. I've gathered enough experience to know what goes and what doesn't xD

      While choking I like to apply just enough pressure to the trachea to hear the "rattle" too, that really gets me going.

      With knives, I've come to the conclusion that I can't and shouldn't trust myself not to cut too deep... so I rather don't do anything in that direction anymore.
      And dulled knives? Just no...
      img src="https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1380430161/862348.gif

      Virgins are always a special delight... Just a bit too time-consuming for my busy lifestyle nowadays.

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    7. NM, are you saying that if those people would have had some empathy with you at this moment, shown respect, taken you seriously, you would have not felt cut from the others and bad about your fantasies, whatever they were, and then would have had a more sane relation to yourself and your tendencies? I can relate to that too even if my fantasies were quite different. This is about being judged instead of being understood, and feeling excluded instead of feeling considered. This is true for everything you may go through in life, whatever it is. When they make you feel like a "monster" or insane, they actually project on you their own troubles and bad judgements, and they exclude you. Projections. This is the roots of our future troubles, we feel cut from the world, and from the others. We refugee ourselves in our own myths about ourselves.

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    8. To each their own, but I have found that slightly dulled blades allow you to apply more pressure, and get a lot more creative on certain parts of the body than with freshly sharpened knives. You can slice, poke, twist, and jab- all without killing the person- even swiftly across the neck. That's pretty hot, imo.
      You also have more control over whether the skin breaks.

      We've used the ultra sharp variety, but my husband won't let me top with those, LOL. I will allow him to- but that approaches my limits. You have to be *VERY* still, which is a challenge, but it is also exciting to squirm under a cold sharp blade. (Of course, with the sharp ones, they always want to press right up against the jugular or the femoral... xD)

      If you know you can't trust yourself, it is very wise of you not to top with knives. Understanding one's personal limits is very important. I also think it is crazy to engage in any sort of edgeplay with a partner you don't literally trust with your life- and that level of trust takes time to cultivate.

      Oook. Time to go take a cold shower now. Have a good day, SW :-)

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    9. @Glad: I think you misunderstood me. They had empathy, they took me seriously (probably more than necessary) and I didn't feel cut from the others more than normal. Plus, I've never felt bad about my sexual fantasies and likely never will - at best I feel frustrated sometimes if I don't get what I want or if I have to avoid certain practices simply because they'd get me into prison or worse.
      I'm not quite sure what you mean with "more sane relation to yourself and your tendencies", I'd be happy if you could explain.

      What really was a problem was this: I went to people I respected and thought good of, people who I looked up to. I believed they were more intelligent than me, which didn't happen often, and they showed me the "bitter truth" (from my past p.o.v., of course I think different now), that they are indeed as dumb and contemptible (->because of the lack of intelligence and cognitive understanding) as the rest of humanity. I couldn't understand the look they gave me, it just looked strange - like an ugly frog with a brainless look on its face. Scowl, wide eyes, upper lip drawn up, that kind of thing.

      "When they make you feel like a "monster" or insane (...)"
      Quite the opposite happened. I've never felt like a monster and a feeling of being insane happens only rarely and rather in different situations.
      If they did project their own troubles onto me, it wouldn't have mattered for me. Let them project what they want to project, everyone has got a right to live in their own fallacious wonderland. I actually enjoy to show them occasionally how wrong they are with their assumptions by acting totally different from their expectations.


      @A: It's not so much a limit as it is a lack of self-control, I know I'd have too much fun to just stop, and really don't want to risk my liberty for a bit of fun.

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    10. A lack of self-control is a very good reason to set limits. Any reason is "valid"- including personal preferences. Kink and vanilla are just different flavors. To each their own.

      I don't have homicidal urges, and I certainly wouldn't characterize murdering someone as just a bit of "liberty threatening fun." Anything I do in the bedroom to my partner is to make them feel good. For some people, pleasure is better when it is spiked with pain.

      I wouldn't kill someone for kicks even if I thought I could get away with it. I think that most people who make this claim just want to come across as badass. There is nothing less attractive than someone who manifests his insecurity by a desire to prove himself heartless.

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    11. I'm not heartless, A, and I'm certainly not badass. You'd probably laugh if you could see me.
      I have to apology for my lack of proper articulation yesterday, I downed some painkillers with an energydrink to keep me going somehow and didn't expect that impact. I skipped whole sentences....

      "I wouldn't kill someone for kicks even if I thought I could get away with it."
      I wouldn't do that either, plus I'm far too paranoid to think I could get away with homicide.

      "I don't have homicidal urges, and I certainly wouldn't characterize murdering someone as just a bit of "liberty threatening fun." "
      The way you put it sounds like an insult. I see how my awkwardly formulated comment came across tho... No blame on you.

      I've been in hell, this hell called 'psychiatry'. Endless repetitions, daily routine, no going outside the building, constant surveillance, no internet, no TV, nothing to do whatsoever, no-one to really talk to, no room to be alone (I did mention I'm a loner, yes?), forced medication, a bunch of crazy fellows, repetitious torture-like "therapy" - have you ever heard of intensive therapy? 6 days a week half an hour one and the same question over and over and over and over again. After about two or three weeks I started to freak out regularly after 10 to 15 minutes, asked them to stop, begged them to leave me alone, pleaded for mercy, but they didn't seem to care at all. Wouldn't be surprised if they wanted me to be like that, or to provoke aggressive behavior so they could test more drugs on me or lock me up in that room.
      I'm not going to go back there. I hope it should be clearer now how important my liberty is to me.

      And to address the other point, I do have violent urges and homicidal urges. I have seen what I'm capable of. I'm not saying I could actually kill someone, but I do lose control over the intensity of my movement sometimes, especially if I get excited in whatever way. Not so much different from a hashish high.
      I'd probably panic, or freeze, if I realize something went wrong but I assume it would be too late to prevent serious damage. I rather want to assume it'd be too late, otherwise I might do something stupid.
      I do have fantasies of killing someone, wouldn't care about who, but such fantasies ought to stay where they belong: In my mind. Those fantasies are not connected to the violent/homicidal urges, just to make that clear.

      "Anything I do in the bedroom to my partner is to make them feel good. For some people, pleasure is better when it is spiked with pain."
      Can't argue with that. I'm open to pretty much anything and had several relationships in which I stepped back from my own preferences so as not to make them feel uncomfortable. I'm much more meek than what you'd probably think, most of the time at least.

      "manifests his insecurity"
      Manifestations of my insecurities include paranoia "the-whole-world's-against-me attitude", shyness, stuttering and a number of other odd behaviors, but I'm certainly not heartless. Probably over-analytical, maybe a bit detached, but not heartless.

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    12. --> "I'm not heartless, A, and I'm certainly not badass. You'd probably laugh if you could see me."

      Probably.

      *Giggle*

      ;)

      -->"I have to apology for my lack of proper articulation yesterday, I downed some painkillers etc."

      No, you don't "have to" apologize for your lack of proper articulation, or justify yourself to me.

      --> "The way you put it sounds like an insult."

      I am well aware of that.

      --> "I see how my awkwardly formulated comment came across tho... No blame on you."

      It wasn't an "awkwardly formulated" comment, it was posturing- which you have dispensed with in your interactions with me. That was my intention. All the blame on me. Thanks for your co-operation. :)

      -->"I've been in hell, this hell called 'psychiatry'. Endless repetitions, daily routine, no going outside the building, constant surveillance... Etc... I'm not going to go back there."

      What the hell did you do to wind up in a situation where you were subjected to all that crap?

      --> "And to address the other point, I do have violent urges and homicidal urges."

      You have a serious lack of impulse control, and when you at pissed off, you totally lose it. I get it. Been there.

      --> "I have seen what I'm capable of. I'm not saying I could actually kill someone, but I do lose control over the intensity of my movement sometimes, especially if I get excited in whatever way. Not so much different from a hashish high."

      I hear you. The good news is that you will mellow out as you age. I was *much* worse in my early twenties than I am now.

      Hashish has never had that effect on me. But my pleasure/pain circuitry is a jumble of crossed wires. I am rather severely and pervasively messed up, that way. :P

      --> "I do have fantasies of killing someone, wouldn't care about who, but such fantasies ought to stay where they belong: In my mind. Those fantasies are not connected to the violent/homicidal urges, just to make that clear."

      Of course they are, silly. They share a root, and are common features of sociopathy. Some of your fantasies are sexual in nature, yes? Care to describe those? (Feel free to refrain. I'm just being lascivious :)

      When I was just a bit younger than you, I had similar fantasies. Even plotted with someone- but never really intended to follow through. And I found ways to sublimate the "inappropriate" sexual urges through s/m.

      I haven't figured out all the associations between the sociopathic fascination with dark things, morbid curiosity, thrill-seeking, violent, sadomasochistic sexuality, and aggression- but they are definitely all connected. For all my ability to dissect others, dissecting myself is a challenge.

      "--> I'm much more meek than what you'd probably think, most of the time at least."

      You manifest the typical narcissism of someone with many antisocial traits.

      --> Manifestations of my insecurities include paranoia "the-whole-world's-against-me attitude", shyness, stuttering and a number of other odd behaviors, but I'm certainly not heartless. Probably over-analytical, maybe a bit detached, but not heartless.

      I really appreciate your candor, here. I love it when someone willingly bares their neck. :)

      Stuttering? Shy? That's... delicious.

      Insult me, out loud, you stammering freak. Hit me with your best shot. Write it out afterwards and post it, if you want. Be confident. Give no thought to the fact that I will verbally eviscerate you afterwards. ;)

      Just kidding. But here's some food for thought: how often do you speak boldly when someone challenges you? If what you say is true, you suffer from debilitating self-consciousness. But I see in you the potential for confident swag. Use it. Just be real.

      "But not heartless"

      Mmm. That's twice you've said that. You seek my affirmation. Allow me to indulge you. Did you know it makes you beautiful?

      :)

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  5. Ok little sis, take a step back from the precipice. If your sister is indeed a sociopath, the most effective thing you can do is cut her completely out of your life and ignore her. If you must see her occasionally at family functions, be deadpan. Do not engage. The Facebook idea is a terrible one, it will blow up in your face. Your father is a big boy now, he will learn from your example. Good luck and stop focusing on her - go out and have some fun with people who care about you.

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  6. OP, I feel for you. Having a sociopath sibling is extremely tough. Somebody very close to me has an older sister who is a sociopath. You have the advantage of realizing that your sister is one, so don't blow this knowledge away by exposing her too soon. Never use the word sociopath to refer to her. It would be like saying she is an actual witch with special powers... not many people understand the fundamental difference between the internal world of a sociopath, and a "normal" person. Calling her a sociopath will only sound like an insult from an irrational person. Listen to the advice that SansDire is giving you. He is absolutely right. Step back. Use your brain, and take your time.

    Reading between your lines, your sister is very happy you are suicidal. I bet she works at making it this way. Sociopaths love playing with people's feelings. Please tell me whether she also is still unexpectedly sweet with you as well, some if the time, or if that is a thing of the past.
    You think she has got your dad under her spell. She obviously has you as well completely wrapped, in a different way.

    If you want to "expose" your sister, you really need to step back, get back in your own 2 feet first. This will take time, I'd say a year at least. To do that, you might need to learn to think a bit like a sociopath yourself when it comes to analyzing your sister and her games. You need to analyze your sister and your response to her in a very intellectual fashion. Particularly, star by understanding why she makes you feel the way she does, understand your weaknesses as well as your sister understands them. She plays on your weaknesses. You already know, perhaps unconsciously, of one of the ways she gets to you. You said it in your letter to ME. Try to bring this up to a conscious level. Do you know what I am referring to?

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  7. I would agree with what many of the responders have said. First, are you sure that she's a sociopath or are you convincing yourself of that because she doesn't respond the way you want her to when you seek attention? Secondly, sociopath or not, be aware that there may be a reason she's targeting your father. Sociopaths tend to operate on a cost-reward basis and if the benefit of going after him is outweighing the time and effort spent, she may see him as an enemy. This is often with cause, though it may or may not be good cause. Finally, it is important for you to understand that, if she is a sociopath or psychopath, your public shaming will likely amuse her rather than shame her. You look like an emotional lunatic who has finally cracked while she is the level headed sister she's always been. She may also quietly redirect her efforts to you rather than your father, toying with an already vulnerable new plaything. Finally, it's important that you understand there is very little that will cause a sociopath embarrassment. If you truly want to help your family, the thing to do is educate them. Many people believe the stereotypes regarding sociopaths so they might reject that word but educate them on her nature... Help them protect themselves. If your goal is simply to make her feel humiliation or remorse, you are wasting your time and energy. This is not meant as a cruel comment but it is important that you truly grasp that fact. You will only hurt yourself, alienate your family, and (if she's good at what she does) look like a raving lunatic to everyone around you.

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  8. Its most likely impossible for normal folks to try to change or "bicker" with psychopaths, this will just consume endless amounts of time & lead to misery for the empath. Accept the situation or walk away forever is the best advice to normal people facing "malign indifference" in their social circles. Socios love to have someone sensitive to persecute, its like giving them a toy they enjoy, a hobby. Best way to get even with a psycho is to "isolate", but since most empaths are too soft to just get rid of annoying garbage they do all the wrong things, thinking they "are strong" doing so..

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  9. The best way to handle this is to stop caring. It's a big world with billions of people. Your sister doesn't need to matter.

    If she didn't care about your suicidal nature why would she care about your email, let alone Facebook posts? If she's manipulating your folks talk to them about it. If they choose not to see things your way then that's on them.

    I am curious though, why would you post this and other personal information on a site frequented by sociopaths? Most of us are relatively benign, but some are nasty people who could do real harm. Why give ammunition?

    Are you really that desperate? If so then that desperation, and the poor decisions that go along with it, will get you in far more trouble than your sister ever could.

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  10. Its seems to be true that "family psychos" often are able to put themselves in positions where they can behave like pigs and still be talked about like they are "adorable, kind & shy" people. This, of course, is disgusting, but to "call a spade a spade" often just will result in being "stripped of rank" or seen as troublemaker, this may just elevate the psycho to "higher position" in the social arena. Best way to deal with "malign autists" without severing all family bonds is to become the "most lovely of grandchildren", treating the elderly folks like royalty and bit by bit "reveal the shitbird" by pointing out all his defects by asking "innocent little questions" like "So uncle Frank just did not show up at your birthday, oh I bet he was VERY busy elsewhere..?" Doing so repeatedly will get results. The shitbird will get "revealed" even ro potty minds & all his attempts to smear "the best of grandchildren" will work against him, undermining his position.

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  11. The OP sounds Borderline.

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    1. Older sister alrightApril 11, 2015 at 3:01 PM

      Finally. SOmeone sees this. She's begging for attention here. Compared to her everyone is a sociopath. All relative, man, all relative.

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  12. Sometimes I daydream about meeting a reincarnated Richard Hickock. In this dream he is "alluring evil". I know its just a dream, such stuff do not exist. But in this dream it exists. Its real. He tries to make me his "tool" with sweet-talk. I´m not very gay but he´s almost courting me. Tells me: "-One day you´ll do the things I say.."

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  13. I AM A SOCIOPATH, so let me give u some insider information. Don't do it. Unless you are as intuitive as we are (which does happen occasionally), you probably are not reading the situation correctly. For example, are you sure your dad is under her spell? ALL SOCIOPATHS HAVE AT LEAST ONE SOCIOPATHIC PARENT. And typically that sociopathic parent has a special bond with their sociopathic child. It's like having a mini-version of my awesomeness, and reminds me when I was growing up and all the victories and failures I had.
    And that facebook post will do nothing at all. Nothing . Nothing. Nothing, but cause you trouble. But then again, I can't even begin to understand how morally outraged you are because if something likes this happened and it didn't affect me, I wouldn't care.

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  14. Tell your sister flat out what you think she represents and you won't be dealing with her psychological bullshit over dad and subjecting him to malice of any kind... figure out her tactics. Fuck Facebook. Too childish. Know her game and beat her to it. Just be one step ahead. Then maybe mutual respect will come. ;)

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    1. Have you learned anything about sociopaths here, superchick? You are super in what way, curious minds want to know.

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    2. I learnt that doc is a borderline like me. :)

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  15. But where is M.E. NOW? How does she spend her day?

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  16. Is your sister physically dangerous to you or to someone in your family or to anyone else? Quietly collect tangible evidence. Find a reliable person in law enforcement and share the evidence with them and follow their advice.

    Are you going through emotional turmoil about your sister and the rest of your family? Although there is some sensible advice scattered amidst the usual drool, nastiness, craziness, etc. of this discussion thread, in general you will get more insight and comfort by licking rocks and rose thorns. It's not easy to find a helpful psychotherapist, as lots of them are crazy, but your first priority is to salvage yourself, so find a good therapist and start there.

    As for the rest of your family, it's entirely possible you may have to throw them off the boat (symbolically speaking) and save yourself. I am kind of borderline (I am not sure what border I live on, but I am sure I am am about to be arrested as an illegal immigrant as soon as I get out of bed in the morning). I come from a dysfunctional family with two crazier than cuckoos siblings. (I am only cuckoo normal.) I could only save myself. YOU ABSOLUTELY CANNOT SAVE OR GET THROUGH TO YOUR SISTER!!! Perhaps you can help one or more members of your family, but only if they want your help.

    Watch out, your sister is reading this message over your shoulder and is preparing to stab you in the back in the next few seconds! And none of us will ever know (or care) that you are lying there bleeding to death.

    "A 14-year-old schoolgirl stabbed her 16-year-old sister in the back with a carving knife after a fight about a boyfriend, their mother told a court today.

    "Earlier, the girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons, pleaded guilty to manslaughter on the second day of a trial at Bradford Crown Court.

    "But she denies murdering her sister at their home in the Ovenden area of Halifax, West Yorkshire, on the evening of Monday March 26 this year.."

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  17. OP:

    Here's my advice - you may be educated, but you are in no position to do what you say you want to do simply because you are in a reactive mode. I won't get into your mental health or state of mind other than to say, you may have a few issues to work out in therapy.

    One of the key advantages of our condition is that we don't care what people we target think or feel about us. Your threat of suicide being greeted with indifference (instead of encouragement?) should clue you in to that. Going the public humiliation route (without being both skilled and tough, which you aren't) will be a bad idea for you (but possibly highly entertaining for folks on this forum) as NM has indicated.

    In any battle, the participant to be thrown off balance first is the one who will lose. You are off balance -

    First, get balance and learn to not care what that person thinks of does so you can maintain balance. Then, learn to watch what they do dispassionately - this is an way of training yourself to remained centered. While studying them you will observed where there are "soft spots" that other people bump into - note them for later use. Catalog clearly their manipulations and destruction for a while. All this while, you have to stay close enough to be privy to the "good stuff," so you have to be up for some bad treatment along the way. Keep your eye on the prize.

    If none of that makes sense or sounds too intimidating, then I suggest that you put distance between yourself and this sibling (you wouldn't be the first or the last). Be supportive of your parents and try to point out how this sibling is being destructive, but don't get in the middle of it unless you want more pain.

    Good luck!

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    1. Hey HLH - I read that Kevin Dutton/Andy McNab book yesterday. Great read, thanks for mentioning it on another thread :)

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    2. Glad you enjoyed it - I'm looking forward to reading it myself - I have some quiet time in the near future to get some serious reading done. The cue is getting long. :)

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  18. Are you serious that sociopaths don't get depressed? or feel suicidal? I grew up with my sociopathic mother and she was always depressed and listless. Or was she acting so I would feel sorry for her? or to piss me off?
    I also had a sociopathic housemate who was the same. Just a lump on the couch, very clever and witty but no desire to socialise or have a life. Watching movies all night and talking about drama, but definitely depressed and addicted to food.
    I find it very hard to believe that as this site suggests, sociopaths don't feel negative emotion. I think they block it and they think they've gotten rid of it but it hangs around them like a stench.

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    1. @Anon,
      "(...) but it hangs around them like a stench."
      That could explain why so many people tell me I'm negative and pessimistic. xD

      I've never felt suicidal, some of my therapists have said I'm depressed. I don't know what they meant and trying to find out how I ought to act as a depressed person was of no avail. What, exactly, do you mean with "depressed"?

      I rarely feel sad, and if I do I try to keep that emotion for as long as possible, since most of the time I feel indifferent and emotions are gone in no time.

      "(...) sociopaths don't feel negative emotion."
      I don't know how it is for other sociopaths, but I feel positive and negative emotions alike, just rather rarely and not as intense, or subconscious, as empaths. I'm not exactly sure about this, tho. How often do you empaths feel emotions?

      "Or was she acting so I would feel sorry for her? or to piss me off? "
      Could it be you're confusing analytic thinking + realistic views with depression? Get to think of it: Maybe your mom and your housemate were not depressed at all and you just can't reconcile with this mindset? Or maybe they were both depressed but not sociopathic...
      However, if your mom was a sociopath, acting depressed/suicidal to get a certain reaction out of you is within the possibilities, but to piss you off? What would that bring her? I would need more information about her behavior to make a proper speculation about her motives.

      Why, to begin with, do you believe they were sociopaths?

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    2. From what I've read, some therapists who are not specialists in sociopathy confuse the 'empty' sense reported with the 'deadened' sense that is associated with clinical depression. So it's reasonable for a lay person to make the same comparison. I doubt I could tell the difference without some other indicators being in play.

      Depression is a long-term state (as in months, years, of feeling 'deadened'). "I'm depressed today" is inaccurate: you are not depressed today, you are suffering from a low mood today. If you are in a consistently low mood for months or years, then you are depressed. But low mood is not the same as no mood. In other words, you can be empty and have never been full but to die you must first have lived.

      In the same way, suicidal depression is a genuine desire to die (not "I'm gonna kill myself so you'll feel bad" - if I'm dead I'll never know whether you feel bad or not: to think that I must be expecting somehow to be around to see the results of my 'attempt'. In other words, I'm being manipulative rather than truly suicidal.)

      :D @ NM - I suspect half the time 'empaths' don't know they are feeling emotions. They don't register them consciously. The image of an ocean comes to mind. They notice the big waves, not the small ones or the ripples.

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    3. @ SansDire, according to your allegory I live in a pond.... xD

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    4. I'm building a sea-wall :) But I also enjoy surfing.

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  19. Just decide that none of that is important anymore. Its not worth the energy.

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  20. Dear OP,

    I was about to send you a reply with advices, visions of life and wise words, but I suddenly realized that something was sounding a bit false, I actually realized that I needed some attention myself tonight, I needed to be heard and to receive some love myself.
    So let be more honest and make this simple and direct request :

    Please could you tell me something kind?
    I feel very lonely tonight.

    This is the most sincere I can say OP, more true than any advice I would have given you.

    Good luck

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    1. Glad, you really need to get some "help". First, you wanted to help someone to hurt someone else, then you decided to ask from somebody here- who all,themselves, need help- to help/hurt you! OK. How can I “help” you?

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    2. Anon, thanks for your reply. Though I think you confuse "help" and "hurt". I wanted to help at first, I was about to say things like "try to get out of judgments", take care of yourself first, etc. But realized I was not in the state of helping anyone myself. That's all. Sorry if I was confusing. I am indeed feeling very afraid those days, like things coming back that are a bit overwhelming, and I don't really understand how to position myself in front of those "waves" (as I read somewhere), but it echoes in many ways to what I'm reading here.

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    3. To come back to the initial topic, I think that most of the problem that make people act badly come from the fact they can't empathize with others. And so for your sister, trying to make her feel bad about herself won't work, the thing is how to make her feel empathy for others. This requests a more generous approach. But it needs you to be very clear and balanced yourself. To sum up, everything you have to face in life always brings you to yourself. And your sister, as bad as her behavior is, is also playing the mirror of the other's weaknesses and breaches. In that way, you can use her to face your own fears and trying to communicate with her may help you go deeper in yourself. I think there is something to develop in this way. Does this makes sense to you?

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    4. Glad, re your message at 4:44AM: I put a link up top that you may or may not find helpful - as a starting point at least :)

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  23. My sister is a sociopath - for decades I tried to reason with her and all she did was continue to push her destructive agenda against me. I finally asked she respected a simple boundary - she ignored it and after the 3rd reminder I cut her off. She attempted to twist things and hook me back in with shame and guilt. I did not take the bait and she can no longer sink her hooks in me.
    The best thing you can ever do is go NC - it keeps u sane and drives the sociopath crazy b/c he/she no longer has the power and control his/her nature craves.
    Posting on Facebook would only hurt your reputation - silence is golden. Vent elsewhere and in private. Let others figure out the true nature of your sister in their own time and on their own terms- often times people who r involved with a sociopath tend to be too wrapped up in the sociopath's impression management tactics.

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  25. Fucking empaths,
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  26. Greetings My dear friends. I am so happy to share this wonderful testimony about Dr Brave, my name is Mellisa Jefferson I am 32 years old, I live in Florida USA, I am happily married to Sowers Jefferson with three kids we got married in 2004 I am a banker but due to some certain family conditions I had to quit my job so I could have time for my family my husband works in a construction company not long ago around may 2015 my husband started to behave in a way i could not understand, i was very Confused by the way he treat me and the Kids. Later that month he did not come home again and he called me that he want a divorce, i asked him what have i Done wrong to deserve this from him, all he was saying is that he want a divorce That he hate me and do not want to see Me again in his life, i was mad and also Frustrated do not know what to do,i was Sick for more than 4 weeks because of the divorce. i love him so much he was everything to me without him my life is Incomplete. i told my sister and she told me to contact a spell caster, i never believed in all this spell casting of a thing. i just want to try if something will come out of it. i contacted Dr Brave for the return of my husband to me, he told me that my husband have Been taken by another woman, that she cast a spell on him that is why he hate me and also want us to divorce. then he told me that he have to cast a spell on him that will make him return to Me and the kids, he casted the spell and After 27hours my husband called me and He told me that i should forgive him, he Started to apologize on phone and said That he still loves me that he did not know what happen to him that he left me. it was the spell that Dr Brave casted on him that brought him back to me today, i and my family Are now happy again today. thank you Dr Brave for what you have done for me i would have been nothing Today if not for your great spell. i want You my friends who are passing through All this kind of love problem of getting Back their husband, wife , or ex boyfriend and girlfriend to contact him on this email: bravespellcaster@gmail.com , web site:http://enchantedscents.tripod.com/lovespell/ . and you will see that your problem will be solved Without any delay or effect cell number +2348072370762 Thanks for reading..

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  27. I never believed in spell casting but After 6 years of dating my ex lover, I still imagine how Dr Ofemo brought my ex lover back to me in just 24 hour. No one could have ever made me believe that there is a real spell caster that really work. am Kate by name,I want to quickly tell the world that there is a real on line spell caster that is powerful and genuine, His name is Dr Ofemo, He helped me recently to reunite my relationship with my ex lover who left me, When i contacted Dr Ofemo he cast a love spell for me and my ex lover who said he doesn't have anything to do with me again called me and started begging me. he is back now with so much love and caring. today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the powers of bring lovers back. because i am now happy with my lover,and the most surprise,is that our love is very strong,every day is happiness and joy. and there is nothing like been with the man you love.i am so happy my love is back to me with the help of Dr.Ofemo if you have similar problem i will advice you to contact him ,he is there to help you and put a smile on your face ask he did to me and others. his email: drofemospelltemple@gmail.com or his hot line:+2348163387496 You can contact him Via this email:drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or
    his web/site http://greatofemospelltemple.webs.com/ contact him now website: http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo

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  28. I never believed in spell casting but After 6 years of dating my ex lover, I still imagine how Dr Ofemo brought my ex lover back to me in just 24 hour. No one could have ever made me believe that there is a real spell caster that really work. am Kate by name,I want to quickly tell the world that there is a real on line spell caster that is powerful and genuine, His name is Dr Ofemo, He helped me recently to reunite my relationship with my ex lover who left me, When i contacted Dr Ofemo he cast a love spell for me and my ex lover who said he doesn't have anything to do with me again called me and started begging me. he is back now with so much love and caring. today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the powers of bring lovers back. because i am now happy with my lover,and the most surprise,is that our love is very strong,every day is happiness and joy. and there is nothing like been with the man you love.i am so happy my love is back to me with the help of Dr.Ofemo if you have similar problem i will advice you to contact him ,he is there to help you and put a smile on your face ask he did to me and others. his email: drofemospelltemple@gmail.com or his hot line:+2348163387496 You can contact him Via this email:drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or
    his web/site http://greatofemospelltemple.webs.com/ contact him now website: http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo..

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  29. I never believed in spell casting but After 6 years of dating my ex lover, I still imagine how Dr Ofemo brought my ex lover back to me in just 24 hour. No one could have ever made me believe that there is a real spell caster that really work. am Kate by name,I want to quickly tell the world that there is a real on line spell caster that is powerful and genuine, His name is Dr Ofemo, He helped me recently to reunite my relationship with my ex lover who left me, When i contacted Dr Ofemo he cast a love spell for me and my ex lover who said he doesn't have anything to do with me again called me and started begging me. he is back now with so much love and caring. today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the powers of bring lovers back. because i am now happy with my lover,and the most surprise,is that our love is very strong,every day is happiness and joy. and there is nothing like been with the man you love.i am so happy my love is back to me with the help of Dr.Ofemo if you have similar problem i will advice you to contact him ,he is there to help you and put a smile on your face ask he did to me and others. his email: drofemospelltemple@gmail.com or his hot line:+2348163387496 You can contact him Via this email:drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or
    his web/site http://greatofemospelltemple.webs.com/ contact him now website: http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo

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  30. I never believed in spell casting but After 6 years of dating my ex lover, I still imagine how Dr Ofemo brought my ex lover back to me in just 24 hour. No one could have ever made me believe that there is a real spell caster that really work. am Kate by name,I want to quickly tell the world that there is a real on line spell caster that is powerful and genuine, His name is Dr Ofemo, He helped me recently to reunite my relationship with my ex lover who left me, When i contacted Dr Ofemo he cast a love spell for me and my ex lover who said he doesn't have anything to do with me again called me and started begging me. he is back now with so much love and caring. today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the powers of bring lovers back. because i am now happy with my lover,and the most surprise,is that our love is very strong,every day is happiness and joy. and there is nothing like been with the man you love.i am so happy my love is back to me with the help of Dr.Ofemo if you have similar problem i will advice you to contact him ,he is there to help you and put a smile on your face ask he did to me and others. his email: drofemospelltemple@gmail.com or his hot line:+2348163387496 You can contact him Via this email:drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or
    his web/site http://greatofemospelltemple.webs.com/ contact him now website: http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo..

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  31. I have been in bondage ever since my ex Husband leave me for another woman, It was really hell for me and everybody told me to forget about him but i could not because i love him so much,I cried and sobbed every day, until it got so bad that I reached out to the Internet for help.And i saw a testimony of a spell caster who help a girl called cynthia get he ex boyfriend back, and i said let me give it a try,but I never believe because i thought all spell caster is fake,so i decided to contact him for help and he cast a love spell for me which i use in getting my Husband back and now i am a happy woman.For what you have done for me,i will not stop to share your goodness to people out there for the good work you are doing.Once again thank you Dr.Ofemo You are truly talented and gifted. If you need his help you can reach him on his email address:drofemospelltempl@gmail.com i believed him and today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the power to bring lovers back. because i am now happy with my husband.Try the Dr.Ofemo today he we be the key or answer to your problem. Here's his contact email drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or his cell number +2348163387496 his web/site http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo

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  32. I have been in bondage ever since my ex Husband leave me for another woman, It was really hell for me and everybody told me to forget about him but i could not because i love him so much,I cried and sobbed every day, until it got so bad that I reached out to the Internet for help.And i saw a testimony of a spell caster who help a girl called cynthia get he ex boyfriend back, and i said let me give it a try,but I never believe because i thought all spell caster is fake,so i decided to contact him for help and he cast a love spell for me which i use in getting my Husband back and now i am a happy woman.For what you have done for me,i will not stop to share your goodness to people out there for the good work you are doing.Once again thank you Dr.Ofemo You are truly talented and gifted. If you need his help you can reach him on his email address:drofemospelltempl@gmail.com i believed him and today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the power to bring lovers back. because i am now happy with my husband.Try the Dr.Ofemo today he we be the key or answer to your problem. Here's his contact email drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or his cell number +2348163387496 his web/site http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo.

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  33. I never knew people still have powers and make things happened this way. My name is Debby Patrick am from U S A. my Husband Williams John left me for another woman for three months' ever since then my life have been filled with pains sorrow and heart break because he was my first love who dis virgin me when i was 21 years old. about two years ago, A friend of mine Kate Pillps told me he saw some testimonies of this great Dr ogududu that he can bring back lover within some few days, i laugh it out and said i am not interested but because of the love my friend had for me, she consulted the great priest on my behalf and to my greatest surprise after three days my boyfriend is going to call me for the very first time after three months that he is missing me and that he is so sorry for every thing he made me went through. i still can't believe it, because it highly unbelievable it just too real to be real. Thank you Dr ogududu for bringing back my lover and also to my lovely friend who interceded on my behalf, for any one who might need the help of this great priest here is the email address drogududuspellhome@gmail.com OR you can call the great man on {+2348101197342}

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  34. I never knew people still have powers and make things happened this way. My name is Debby Patrick am from U S A. my Husband Williams John left me for another woman for three months' ever since then my life have been filled with pains sorrow and heart break because he was my first love who dis virgin me when i was 21 years old. about two years ago, A friend of mine Kate Pillps told me he saw some testimonies of this great Dr ogududu that he can bring back lover within some few days, i laugh it out and said i am not interested but because of the love my friend had for me, she consulted the great priest on my behalf and to my greatest surprise after three days my boyfriend is going to call me for the very first time after three months that he is missing me and that he is so sorry for every thing he made me went through. i still can't believe it, because it highly unbelievable it just too real to be real. Thank you Dr ogududu for bringing back my lover and also to my lovely friend who interceded on my behalf, for any one who might need the help of this great priest here is the email address drogududuspellhome@gmail.com OR you can call the great man on {+2348101197342}

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  35. Hello! everyone out here,I am James William from Portland Oregon United state.It has been my desire to help people out with their problems no matter how little my contribution may be.

    As regards to the promise i made to BABA ARUOSA if he could help me get back my girlfriend,i'm using this means to fulfill my promise and also let everybody know there's solution to your problem no matter how difficult you think it is okay.

    I loved a girl for more than 2 years and she told me she was going to marry me.But she would change her mind and tell me she didn't love me anymore and was seeing a guy,which i found out.I begged her to accept me and also tried every means possible to make her know i can't live without her because i really love her but she would pay deaf ears to me.

    We were working in the same company and each time i see her,i wish all this weren't happening.This pain continued till a friend of mine led me to BABA ARUOSA whom he told me was very extremely powerful and has helped with a problem.

    Soon as i contacted him,i knew he was the exact answer to my solution because i felt his powers from his carefully selected words and calmness.I explain all that happened to me and he told me what to do.I did as i was instructed and never doubted him.To my greatest surprise what i felt was almost impossible within the twinkle of an eyes was over.

    She called me pleading for my forgiveness for how she has treated me and that she loves me so much and will never cheat on me again and will marry me.And from that moment till now all we've been experiencing is happiness in our relationship.We'll be getting married soon........lol

    I would advice anyone with problem to contact him via email : templeofsupernaturalcontact@gmail.com for his help.

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