Friday, March 28, 2014

A sociopath's intimate

I liked this comment from a past post:

I had a friend who was a sociopath... learning about sociopathy in general was one of the most fascinating experiences. This person was incredibly perceptive, with a piercing intellect and spontaneous creativity, and seemed to excel at all he turned his hand to. However, life was ultimately unfulfilling for him because he felt so surrounded by idiots and imbeciles, and was himself so free of emotional inhibitions that he knew he could do more or less whatever he wanted. I always appreciated his complete and utter disdain for social norms, and the ways we would become each other's mutual psych experiment, even if it was difficult to learn that not one iota of his interest in me was emotional in nature. Sociopaths may be bereft of the empathic emotionality that constitutes the core of the neurotypical human experience, but I also feel there is much in the plight of the sociopath that is mirrored in 'normal' people, too; in essence, it is like gazing into a looking glass, seeing our basest, most ugly and unrestrained desires staring us back in our faces.

However, I feel so deeply sorry for people who had been in intimate relationships with these people. Honestly, I harbour no malice towards the sociopaths because they don't operate on the same emotional paradigm of most of humanity. Their actions are not 'evil' insofar as they are not malicious in intention, merely selfish, as they cannot be anything else. However, there is even an inherent selfishness to the most deeply emotional and sentimental of people - that we are not lied to, that we are never deceived or manipulated, that our feelings are viscerally understood and reciprocated. The sociopath, by nature of their very being, is unable to fulfil this requirement. I have no doubt that they do 'love' in their way, but never the twain shall meet. My heart goes out to everyone who has been unwittingly hurt by these people. Ultimately, I can't say that I hate them, as in many cases they are fascinating, beguiling and seductive existences, however I am quite content to watch that brilliant, chaotic maelström from a safe distance, never becoming swept up in its immediate vicinity. 

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  1. Why is it that whenever a 'normal' person looks at a sociopath, they always see something that's selfish and ugly that they can't understand? Just because they don't like or understand what they see doesn't mean they're better. Maybe they're jealous that they aren't as inhibited. Whatever the reason I wish they would keep it to themselves.

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    1. Oh yes!

      I simply love how many of these people realistically know one "sociopath", in a limited capacity at that. Perhaps they read a couple of internet articles or a book, then project their brilliant findings onto all sociopaths.

      Hate to break it to this "superior" specimen of humanity, but sociopaths are just people.

      Because you know one black person, does that mean all black people are like him? What about Christians? Bipolars?
      And yet, they have figured all the sociopaths out.

      How very clever! Especially when you consider the fact that many of these "sociopaths" would be narcissists, beepers, Machiavellian, or just plain garden variety assholes.

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    2. All these little compartments.

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    3. @ Damaged- I think normal people usually react with hostility because the sociopath rarely presents as such. The normal person figures out they have been dealing with a sociopath only after they have been screwed and they see that the person they thought they were dealing with never existed. The distaste is both for the deception and also recognition that they were "had"- never pleasant.

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    4. @ Machiavellianempath

      Exactly! If sociopaths truly believe they are superior, be open about who you are. Don't hide behind a disguise, you f**king cowards. Don't trick people into giving you the time of day. If you are as superior as you imagine, people will be happy to spend time with the real you.

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    5. @ Machiavellianempath

      The post gave me the impression that the sociopath wasn't hiding anything form his friend.

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    6. Damaged,

      The writer didn't say or imply she was better. She really didn't say anything about herself at all.

      MelissaR

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    7. Oh, please. She certainly did imply it, Myssi. Her disdain is palpable.

      People think that we're pariahs just because our flaws and personality traits are predictable, in the sense that they follow a "pattern", of sorts. And yet, neurotypicals have an equal number of character faults; that they should be more randomly dispersed within personalities, or fail to meet with well-established, highly scrutinized criteria, does no make them any less detrimental, or grievous.

      Everybody's shit stinks. :P

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  2. Well, this is timely.

    I lost an outlet for my sadism, and now it's spilling out all over the place. I was accused today- again- of not caring about the feelings of others. And on one level, it's true. I deal with my feelings very quickly, and I get frustrated by those who can't- or won't. I lash out cruelly when in attack mode, then I justify my position by forcing my target to assume a portion of the blame, even though I know full well that I am wholly responsible for perpetuating the conflict. My words are so slick that I almost believe myself, at times.

    And then- when I have cut them down, and they stand bleeding before me- there is catharsis. I *feel* something... Love, I think. This moment of assuming responsibility almost always occurs after I smoke (pot). But it goes as quickly as it came, crowded out by the next item on my task list. And don't come around bothering me with your feelings again- I've already apologized- it'll just piss me off.

    My anger is a manipulative tool.

    I don't want to be this way; I know it is emotionally abusive, but I can't seem to stop.

    Tgif. Tequila Fridays fml.

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    1. If you don't want to be that way, surround yourself with the people you love and don't let them go.

      If your outlet took the form of a man he would be a horrible bastard that corrupts people. He could never come even remotely close to replacing the people you love.

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    2. 'surround yourself with people that love and care about you, and don't let them go.'

      yeah, that's the most healing and loving thing you can do for yourself. don't worry, they won't miss you. they never loved you to begin with.

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    3. You don't understand. I'm the "sociopath"- the one with the sadism... I am the corrupting influence. I invariably end up treating the ones I love contemptibly. My outlet was a discharge- a subliminal channel. It no longer exists as an option for me.

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    4. You're going to be fine.

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    5. What do you mean it no longer exists as an option for you? Can you explain what you mean by that?

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    6. No, anon... It doesn't matter. I just wanted to vent.
      It's all good.

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    7. ... And thanks.
      :)

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  3. But what happens to M.E.? Why should she be tarried with the
    same brush that the two maniacs in Chesire Conn. who home
    invaded the Dr.'s home and raped and set ablaze his two daughters?
    Is M.E. to be ranked with Philp Chism, who followed his 9th grade
    math teacher into the girl's room, punched her in the face
    brutally raped her, slashed her with a boxcutter and abused the
    corpse by shoving a 3ft tree limb up her vaginia? Is she to be
    ranked with Jodi Arias, the wanna-be Mormon who viciously killed
    because if she couldn't have what she wanted no one could?
    The list goes on. And it will continue to go on.
    Nobody will ever persuade me that Rebecca belongs on that list!
    She generally cares about human beings. I have researched her
    8 ways to Sunday, with the admittedly limited information avaible
    and determined that she is a "sociopath-lite," a person who
    knows enough about sociopathy to empathsise with the sociopth's
    plight, but not to engage in the heinous sociopathic acts
    themselves. (Unless, like many desperate women she falls in with
    the wrong crowd or the wrong man.)
    I think it would be nothing short of tragic, if M.E.'s capasity to be
    happy were inhibited by some "label" she ascribes to herself,
    or that society subscribes to her.
    Wake up M.E! Your name tabulates to the number 6 in Chauldean
    numerology! BOTH your names add up to 6, birth name AND pen
    name! I assure you this is NO accident.
    If it was YOU and Travis Alexander, instead of Jodi (Who was born
    on the same day as O.J. in the year of the Metal Monkey.) You
    would be enjoying life with your husband and children NOW.

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  4. But does not the manuals say: If one has a dear friend that´s a sociopath then this person is not hollow because real hollow folks are icy, detached and quietly hostile against everyone, including their sister and mother? Maybe exceptions are made if the psycho has trouble finding intellectual stimulus in a world filled with pub-talk about fottball? Perhaps, but then the psycho in question has to be "high-end", and not many are made that way in real life.

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    1. I have trouble finding intellectual stimulus in a world filled with pub-talk about football. Maybe that's why I keep ending up with these psychopathic tools?

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    2. Some pub soccer folks use lavatory-visits between pints to debate the latest theories concering psychopathy online..

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    3. Sociopath is just another name for coward!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    4. Have you met one in a dark alley and told him so..?

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    5. Actually I have told one to his face,u think u scarey??? Sry u not!! Sociopaths r little bitches who dnt know how to be a man!!!! I know I know it's not u fault u r the victim blah blah blah

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    6. It's hard to believe they even treat many members of their family so cruelly. It's a disease of the soul.

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    7. It is! Some of us want to halt the destructive pattern. But the way in which we manipulate and deceive is such an integral part of how we have learned to function that to cease and desist represents a challenge of epic proportions. Sometimes the process is unconscious. Sometimes we even believe our own rationalizations... Until we become self-aware, that is.

      You would think that would make it easier for us to stop. Not so.

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    8. Sociopaths rarely identify as victims unless it is to manipulate someone's perception of them in a manner that suits their agenda.

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    9. Fearlessness is typical psychopathic trait. Heroes and sociopaths share much in common. We are many things- but we are not cowards.

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  5. That post/comment is so accurate. Some times it's just time to say good-bye and hope every one's soul is evolving. You have to live a life that has meaning and is true to who you are. If your an empath, chances are you will not have a mutually caring/meaningful life/friendship with a sociopath.(about 100% certain, unless you really like to be abused.) I think we have to just cut our losses and look ahead. Stop looking in the rear-view mirror hoping for a change or something different...it's not gonna happen. At least you tried your best.

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    1. Re: empath and sociopath relationships- I think they can be mutually fulfilling for a short period of time and/or within a set of defined circumstances. I suspect a therapeutic relationships between an empath and a sociopath could work. An infatuation/fling would work. Under these circumstances something quite beautiful could happen. Sociopaths are amazing lovers and give the empath the gift of letting go of neurosis while in their presence.

      Empaths and Sociopaths are attracted to each other because they are like polarities. The empath needs to feel less agita about everything and the sociopath is oddly comforted by the passionate loyalty and deep understanding a true empath can offer them. When the responsibilities of the world outside a relationship don't intrude, this can go on indefinitely. But throw children, a mortgage, aging parents, job loss or any other common life challenge into the mix and the sociopath feels no sense of obligation to support the empath in "honoring commitments". The sociopath is a fair weather friend.

      A long term partnership in the real world would not survive. I had a relationship for over a year with someone who is a textbook sociopath. It was profoundly meaningful to me, but I am unclear what it meant to him. I've come to accept that he mirrored back what I wanted to see to cover over his empty places. When I began to understand that and tried to talk about it the bloom was quickly off the rose for both of us. It can't come back because it was a relationship that could only thrive when I was innocent. Once the deception became clear to me, it changed the way I related to him. That killed the attraction. Sadly, relationship like this can not mellow into a friendship because of the trauma the deception leaves in its wake.

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    2. This post is so spot on, it made me gasp when I read it. The writer does not sound bitter, though perhaps a tad melancholic, and enjoyed the experience while it lasted. This is very comforting. It reinforces my belief that there are ways for sociopaths and “normal” people to get along and be valuable to each other, but the non-sociopath first has to understand and be at peace with the fact that feelings are not, cannot, will never be reciprocated and that the relationship will end as soon as it is not useful to the other party anymore. I also believe that the non-sociopath needs to be emotionally strong and have resilient emotional relationships outside of the sociopath - otherwise he will get destroyed.

      A “friendship” like this stretches both your heart and your intellect. To “empathize” with a sociopath, you have to be cognizant of your own emotions but distrust or override them – sociopaths are a experts when it comes to playing with people’s neuro-transmitters-, and use your brain, something that feels unnatural and is at times just impossible. I cannot emphasize enough that this special friendship is definitely not for the faint of heart. One of the upsides, though, is that it can toughen you up and get you to accept your own frailties at the same time, and definitely make you more self-aware.

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    3. Good observations, helpful,thanks.

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    4. @ Machiavellianempath

      "Sociopaths give the empath the gift of letting go of neurosis while in their presence."

      Can you give an example of this?

      @OldAndWise

      "One of the upsides, though, is that it can toughen you up and get you to accept your own frailties at the same time, and definitely make you more self-aware."

      I agree with this. One of the downsides, though, is that it causes you to dwell on the frailties and flaws of others where previously you may have chosen to focus on the good. An innocence is lost.

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    5. @ Machiavellianempath

      The experience I had with my friend sociopath actually match what you are saying.
      I know her for 3 years. We study law together. She growingly showed interest for me. Mostly she was regarding me as her little pet/friend/possession.
      This year our bonding became more intense as she started to really show interest on me, I mean as a man, as an attractive man and one of the three man in this damn world she can say that in her own way she cares about.
      She knows everything about my insecurities and my flaws and she did use that to mirror me and make a huge love bombing. But she always told me she was never sexually really attracted by me as I am not a bad ass tattoed all over the body and not a muscleman.
      Though I knew about some of her insecurities too and became a time where I was in her room and she was tired and frailed in this period cause she was taking medics for giving up alcohol and drugs. So the wall she had built against the world allowing her to shut down all the thinest emotions she could have crumbled, and she felt crying.
      I am not a good empath. I mean I am indifferent to most people around me and I don't even really feel anything for my family. I am selfish, but when I do something that seems unfair to somebody I do feel guilt. I can really emphasize sometimes with the girls I love.
      And thats what happened. I didn't want to feel anything (cause actually I was just wanting to sleep with her that night) but God, her pain touched me. Then we obviously slept together.
      But well, after few month of an ideal lovestory, well she found a new job (thanks to me XD) and her longterm ex-bf came back (as always) in her life and she took the chance to use him in order to move next year in his home and live there for free and live a secure and steady life (well she actually likes him very much).
      So she compartmentalized our story and just stored very deeply her fleeting feelings (?) for me to the point that they are just dim objective memories without feeling connections (it took her few days only). And then she is now busy with her ex.
      Well, I suffered a fucking horrible pain cause she threw in a cruel way. Then I decided myself that I won't do like her exs cause I don't want anybody to dominate me and I told her my farewell (fucking pain again). And fuck she actually was about to cry but didn't (too proud). I know she used me but I know that she was doing endeavors to tell me the truth whenever it was possible for her. And I know that she needs to be steady and keep her few real friends (they belong to her...the rest of the world can burn in hell) cause only this can prevent her to be consumed by her own chaos.
      But I choose to make no contact cause I know that actually I am too weak to accept the truth i.e. never a longterm relationship will be possible. And my love is a possessive love. I am a possessive person and I want to have somebody only for me and I become very angry when I got competitors. So my anger started to make me feel sick and mad. So better end this. And I swore to her that I would come back when I would become stronger but well we know that we are what we are.There are few chances that I change.
      Human is selfish, but my way of being selfish is a way that tries to preserve people I value from being hurt. But my feelings are what we call negative feelings, I can give all but I expect more than all in return.


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    6. Our story was beautiful. She didn't like hugging. And finally she admitted in the end that it was not unpleasant and started hugging me without me requesting it.
      But I knew it wouldn't last. She felt tired I think because it demands a lot of energy to fake emotions (I know a few about this as I am faking a lot of emotions...oh yeah you empaths like me, don't lie you fake a looooot of emotions, or am I special ?). She had some shallowed emotions in short periods but then she became normal again cold, indifferent. Her persona slipped away as she became aware that I could cope with that most of time. She became secure with me.
      Still i continued asking caring sometimes and hugging (cause I love it).
      But it didnt last. It couldn't last. She was driven away by her urge to fill her void and I couldn't do that. I have to admit that she probably felt bored and thought about new adventures. Truth is hard to hear.
      But the way she threw me is what made me take that decision. I can't accept even if she is a sociopath to be treated like this as she put me above everybody else. And I just put her in front of the truth, she always told me that she was dead after what happened to her when she was little girl (sexually abused, violented, etc) and she was an empty shell and don't really feel emotions. Sometimes it happens, but for her it is her pandora box, and she started very early to function separated from all emotions and became like that (its her nature now she cant change). If she would open the pandora box she would commit again an attempt of suicide or become alcoholic again and drug addict. I respect that. She cant help.
      But for everyone who love her she just slip away from their hands. And more important, all her feelings as shallowed as they can be just fall down into the abyss, and there is no continuity in her emotional story. You write a story, you look elsewhere and when you look again....paper blank...Just where is she ?
      That is why I feel sad, for me, for her cause she doesn't want to be that way and she knows she will never change.
      It was so perfect. I wanted this to last, but I have to face th truth.
      Well I still love her. And by love I mean that I can't forget her, I have strong feelings of caring, attachment, respect and admiration for her. I want her to be happy but she will never be happy, if she is happy, she will forget it or screw this up. Fuck and I just feel powerless to change this.

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  6. I don't think I would ever want to be what people see as normal. They are so blinded by emotions and fear that they fail to see fail to see things for what they are. When they see different they try to lock it up far away or cower in fear. I ultimately feel sorry for normal people. They need to attach everything to an emotion. They say we seek out their insecurities when they actually put them on display. We're just they ones who take that to our advantage. They call us callous and say we don't emote enough or at all. When in reality normal people emote too much. They say we aren't intimate enough. Really...what's intimacy, saying I love overtime you feel needy or unloved, hugging you when you need closeness, bring your children into the world. I believe we were given all these labels because people don't understand how to live normally without their precious emotions that they don't think its possible and since we don't emote like they do and were usually deceitful and more manipulating and callous than they are that we're immediately cast as not normal because they aren't. Normal people aren't normal they're just more of them so anyone who isn't an copy is weird or non normal.

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    1. well said Katie. as am empath, i learn a lot from the sociopath mind set. my goal is to squash my emotional mind. not become callous of course, but focused. Its a process, but i think i've come far from what I was. i do falter back into it from time to time, but i gain my momentum & control to get back up. it gets you ahead to un-attach yourself -- unlike being wrapped up in emotional dogma that leaves you vulnerable and a target for others.

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    2. Being emotional and not being able to clearly see are two different things.
      It's possible to be emotional - overemotional even - and still logically process what's going on around you. For example, emotionally I would like to believe everything I'm told that I actually want to hear, from individuals that I know are lying to me, but I still remain perfectly aware of the facts of situations that I am in. I don't know - maybe that makes me abnormal. I can't turn that emotional connection off, but I don't function in the way you seem to think "normal" people do (I'm not sure how well I described that - I'm willing to try again if it made no sense).

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  7. I saw a sociopath last night that I hadn't seen in about a year.(a family member.) She hasn't changed at all. I finally get it. She didn't choose it and she CAN'T change it. i spent a lot of years trying desperately to be close.(when she was younger , we were closer. her sociopathy was 'developing'. my sister. it's hard to accept, but i accept it now, and know i will never have a close relationship to my sister again. she's cruel, deceitful, malicious. lost custody of her daughter. thank God her daughter is safe now.

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  8. It's called being a human being!!!!!!! That's wat us "normal people" r !!!!!!!!!! Dnt ever feel sry for us we r not the ones who r gng die alone,u r. U&all u sociopaths have nothing that means anything&u never will. U find it amusing to prey on people it our fault?? Typical excuse after excuse sociopaths r truly pathetic!! How u people even look at yourselves in the mirror is baffling. But no worries u sociopaths continue dng wat u do best lie cheat manipulate etc etc. us "normal people" will continue to be human&respectful to others. U enjoy your empty world u sociopaths deserve it!! P.s. Have u ever heard of karma it's a bitch

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    1. You are so pathetic, it's actually kind of adorable.

      Oh so very strong, so very clever. You're better than all the rest of those saps, aren't you?

      Let me guess, you got fucked over by someone who didn't appreciate your...unique wonderfulness. Of course they had to be a sociopath to do so. Has nothing to do with you being a broken, bitter, annoying little bitch. Screaming your weakness and pain to the world under a particularly see through guise of strength.

      There is no karma, you silly creature. That's a fairy tale you tell yourself because in real life, your weakness makes you a target. And you're far too pathetic to learn or fight back. To make your own karma. So you delude yourself that you are so special that the universe would not only give enough of a fuck that you feel wronged, but would step up to avenge you.

      Grow up.
      Your bravado is not impressing anyone.

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    2. Anon 8:40
      That really was cute and humorous to read. Do you feel better now? Really do you?

      And a piece of advice: If u have this grudge or personal vendetta to hate sociopaths you should do it off a sociopaths blog

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    3. But it's more fun when it's done here.

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    4. Oh man that post was hilarious. I mean, where do I start? Well I guess I would start by saying that judging by the way you put a sentence together, and how you spell (barely), I can understand why you hate sociopaths so much: You're obviously so fucking stupid that you've let yourself be wrecked by one. Shit, I'm sure it wasn't hard. You probably were the appetizer. Easy to chew up, just enough to get you hungry for more.

      Anyway, you're frail grasp of the English language aside, the funniest part of your post was the subject! I mean, first, do you really think you're gonna make us feel sorry, or bad, or guilty? Like, really? I mean, of all the people that are reading this page (us sociopaths, or the empaths, or psychopaths, or narcs et all.), you're obviously the most delusional one here. You have to be to get on a site like this, post an angry comment aimed at making people feel bad, full of the kind of confidence that indicates a person with more words than thoughts, and think that ANYONE here gives the slightest shit about how some dumbass stranger on the idiot thinks.

      Also, do you think you're a badass or something? Like, wow, you sure know how to run your fucking mouth.... to a bunch of people on the internet that don't know you. Big man over here guys, better watch out. This guy is gonna come kick some ass, I'm really shaking in my boots! Haha

      You know what they say, the empty can rattles the most.

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  9. "However, there is even an inherent selfishness to the most deeply emotional and sentimental of people - that we are not lied to, that we are never deceived or manipulated, that our feelings are viscerally understood and reciprocated."

    I like this statement. I reflects how I feel about a lot of my interactions with people.

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  10. The truth hurts, we all have to face ourselves, don't we? I'm not afraid anymore. Not afraid of anything. Not trying to impress anyone. Allow me to be myself fuck-head, go live your sick ass life and leave others alone, you pathetic, fuck-head,moron!

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    1. You are so cute! Like a rabid little chihuahua :)

      You continuing to rant and spew all this venom speaks very much to the contrary of your claim that you are not afraid.
      You think all this anger and bitterness makes you strong?
      It's a huge, glaring weakness that anyone remotely predatorial will see and use to their advantage.

      Oh I know you are scared.
      You cover yourself with this delusion of strength, clutch tight onto the idea of karmic justice. You have no idea how much you sound like a whiny little brat, too scared to stand up to the other kids, so she sits in the mud wailing "I'm telling mum! You'll be sorry!!". You are painting a target on yourself.

      You want not to be so pathetic? Put your precious, delicate ego aside. Really look at what happened. Then really learn from it. There are plenty of people here who would be willing to help you.

      Although personally, I think you are far too much of a coward to do so and love the idea of you crashing and burning time after time :)

      Stop bitching and throwing tantrums.
      The universe does not give a fuck about you.

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    2. The only pathetic one is you&everyone know it. Have a great day :)))))

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  11. Bite me you're projecting so much; and I mean sooooo much...

    "Stop bitching and throwing tantrums.
    The universe does not give a fuck about you."

    take your own advice moron.

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    1. U think u such a man "bite me" u r nothing&the bullshit u write proves it!!!

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    2. Oh Lord above you remind me of another batshit crazy little chihuahua named Jessie :)

      Incredibly lame comebacks and proving my point... Can I adopt you?

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    3. I'm a woman, actually :)

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    4. This shit is lame as hell.

      You guys can stop now.

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    5. I agree very lame bite me needs to get a life

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  13. Fighting on sociopath world,shame on all off you! Time out for all of you and no more posting on this blog until tomarrow. Now go to your room and think about what you've done, and you can come out when your ready to apologize. Now go on, get to your rooms you naughty children!!

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    1. What, is Luna moderating the blog, too? :P

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  14. Looked at some video-stuff from a school mayhem where psychos were said to have been involved, and most likely nobody ever could have "seen it coming" due to just average appearances. Most psychos dont look scary, their attemps to be scary will just appear as daft teenage-pranks. But still they´re hollow & ready to do things beyond belief, and just motiveless (no rational reason whatever else than to see things burn). Teenage psychos are scary for exactly that reason: type of kids most folks remember well from their own education: sarky guys, banter, blue jeans & t-shirt, so normal, so average looking...and so "into space & beyond" insane.

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  15. It's really interesting how selfishness can create such a "chaotic maelstrom".

    MelissaR

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  18. - it tests cognitive empathy- just wondering if you would score extremely well

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  19. A while back I bought a globe like a really nice big silver and blue globe from a Chapters store for my plans of you know psychic and otherwise world domination. And so now I have it positioned here to the left of me and i donno makes for something new and interesting.

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  20. I can be like watching Egypt on a globe, while simultaneously thinking about Egypt and then comparing it to like me and how I'm like you know Ruler of the Earth.

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  21. But its like I want to harmonize its energies, and heal it, not dominate it. But I want it to be dominated by all of us, (me and you) as one.

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  22. Does anyone else find it odd that MachevellianEmpath's first two initials also match M.Es?

    I'll venture to make the first gamble. One of them is the sock puppet for the other. Lets have a debate.

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