Sunday, March 2, 2014

Sociopath quote: nature

"In sober truth, nearly all the things which men are hanged or imprisoned for doing to one another, are Nature's every day performances. Killing, the most criminal act recognized by human nature, Nature does once to every being that lives; and in a large proportion of cases, after protracted tortures such as the greatest monsters whom we read of ever purposely inflicted on their fellow creatures... All this, Nature does with the most supercilious disregard both of mercy and of justice, emptying her shafts upon the best and noblest indifferently with the meanest and worst; upon those who are engaged in the highest and worthiest enterprises, and often as the direct consequence of the noblest acts...
I will call no being good, who is not what I mean when I apply that epithet to my fellow creatures; and if such a being can sentence me to hell for not so calling him, to hell I will go."

John Stuart Mill

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  1. Killing is only bad if I'm on the receiving end.

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  2. I was just looking at my house on Google Streetview and I saw my wife through the window in the front room, fucking the post man.

    It was only after I'd bludgeoned her to death that I realised that the image was two years old.When I used to be a post man.    

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  3. Where does humanity end and nature begin?

    Obviously legal systems define that line because they know that we'll step over it, and because they know that if humanity were morally perfect, we wouldn't require moral (and certainly not legally moral) governance.

    Personally, I believe that morality is a fiction dreamed up first and foremost by the powerful to benefit them as and when: what was moral yesterday won't be moral tomorrow; and what is moral here won't be moral there.

    So I too 'call no being good', because we're socialised to be 'good', in so far as 'good' is determined by the 'moral' norms, customs and ideologies of the society we live in by the most dominant people we live among.

    But to my mind, even with such 'civilising' influences, humanity and nature are unequivocally one: savage.

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  4. @Sea Witch... I very much agree. Moral governance is imposed to prevent the savage chaos that is inherent in nature and it's creatures.

    You would not think to call a hurricane 'evil' because it has no moral, it simply is, despite the destruction and lives it takes.

    That we are capable of making concious decisions to act against a base nature is held as a moral ideal. If we uphold the imposed morality we are 'rewarded' by not being punished so that society can function at the price of true freedom. Though with unchecked freedom comes the breakdown of a society that is dependent on cooperation. A trade off. Less natural freedom for a higher standard of living.

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  5. The human race is always going to be the same. Killing is just the tip of the iceberg, there's far worse that can be done.

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  6. Oh, touche, HavenNyx.

    Although I believe it depends very much on who the dominant power is as to whether morally sanctioned 'freedom' is truly the ability to *be* without restraints, because even basic human rights aren't universally viewed by 'moral' governors as 'good', so less natural freedom often doesn't lead to a higher standard of living (on so many levels) for too many people.

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  7. Sea Bitch fuck off, the only ones who read your shit are similar wierdos like you.

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  8. Whatever. Go fuck yourself with a serrated Dexter-themed dildo, cunt.

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  9. I just love the lazy idiots that curse people out because they post something they cannot intellectually grasp.

    Anon, I don't think "Sea Bitch" will dumb it down for you.

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  10. Sea Bitch shouldn't have to dumb it down for them. I'm tired of these idiots stealing our oxygen. They don't deserve even the most basic rights Sea Bitch talked about, and should be our slaves.

    On that note Anon, please do not insert said dildo. We actually do need you for something, just hopefully not breeding.

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  11. Great post. Wonderful comments . . . so far.

    The two impulses of Nature are Eros and Thanatos.
    In basic terms Bob Dylan wrote "We are either busy being born or we are busy dying."

    Perhaps the real Hell lives in holding this understanding as the masses dance in delusion.

    The sociopathic/anti-social wiring seems to bypass this delusion and experience the raw experience of life preying on life, with death as the vehicle of transmission. And then you are forced to live in a "culture" of delusion.

    No wonder all the power games and boredom. The use of free will to be life affirming then becomes quite a noble undertaking. And is perhaps the Holy Grail of this Sociopath World.

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  12. By the way. Hot picture for this post. He can rape and pillage my village any day. LOL

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  13. Is that a Member's Only jacket?

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  14. Soulful, it's not a culture of delusion but a culture of denial. Delusion would be the term cast upon me BECAUSE of denial.

    At least you know better :)

    wv: selkskin

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  15. He is a adult Neverland Lost Boy about who is about to light my cigarette.

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  16. Anon 12:30 - Excellent editing of thought.

    Delusion, illusion, denial, maya . . . is a many splendid thing. All veils to Nature's complexity or should I say simplicity.

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  17. Bingo on simplicity and thanks for anticipating my farther corrections.

    Medusa, should you require my services as well then let it be known I am the thought police today.

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  18. Handcuff me now and cite me a badass dharma citation.

    Medusa never submit to authority even if he is wearing the seductive badge of a thought form.

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  19. there is no morality, there is only the social contract and the law.
    people think adherence to the social contract (cooperation / treat others as you would like to be treated) is the 'correct' (moral) way to live life for everyone - whereas game theory teaches us that defecting is a good strategy (and a natural occurrence) so long as it only happens at a low frequency.

    i've been wondering recently about what jobs would have a higher/lower % of socios than normal... i think top UFC fighters are probably all empaths, and top psychologists and hypnotherapists are probably socios - what do you think?

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  20. UFC fighting involves just what the name implies, fighting.

    Although the UFC rules can be a bit strict, one of the symptoms of sociopathy is low impulse control. I think UFC is the perfect place for socios, google kimbo slice if you don't believe me. He started out beating willing people up on the street, and got a fight contract with MMA. They can express their inner rage.

    psychologists and hypnotherapists can contain a fair number of high functioning sociopaths, but not a lot.

    In my opinion.

    UFC- more impulsive sociopaths.

    Top psychologists/hypnotherapists- some number of socialized sociopaths.

    Hope that makes sense to you. I rushed my points.

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  21. Who is this Jason guy? I don't remember giving you permission to comment here.

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  23. I love fighting but I hate pain, I'm a pussy when it comes to pain i admit.

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  24. Rest in pieces Gary Faggot Moore

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  25. In other words, aspie, M.E. needs meta tags.

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  27. Pain and fighting come hand in hand alot of the time. I don't care anymore. Jason is a fucking idiot and I was the first say it.

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  29. I cant feel pain. When people hit me their hands break an I laugh. Then I rip their faces of and show it to them before they die. I took up UFC for one day and became champion. After that they sent in every fighter from UFC and MMA to take me on, but I beat them all withought even breaking a sweat. They gave me both the titles, but I threw them right back in the organizers face, before snapping his neck with my little finger. I'm to badass for that.

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  30. I'm not sure most of us are in a position to decide whether morality really exists. I'm sure other people feel a profound sense of right and wrong (You can see it) however whether that is bred in them as they grow or is something that is naturally present I can't be sure because I don't posses the ability to really conceive right and wrong in the first place, at least, not in the way they do.

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  33. I'm the greatest guitar player ever. Jimi Hendrix stole all of my ideas, So I killed him. I also took out Skynrd just for fun, by throwing a bowling ball at their plane.

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  38. Sea Witch 3:54pm:

    If you're going to swipe my name, swipe my style, jeez.

    SoulfulPath 11:38am:

    While I agree with the lovely Mr Dylan, I also believe that for most of our lives we're either busy rebelling or we're busy surrendering to the survival and replication of ourselves.

    The real Hell, as you put it, is the delusion of absolute free will that so many of us need to believe in to constrain our conflicting urges to serve our own interests and those of our genes.

    Many of us prefer to largely deceive ourselves, particularly in the individualist West, that amoral determinism doesn't exist.

    Personally I like Sartre's view that each of us strives to discover a point, often with difficulty, at which all our external constraints are transformed into active gestures and free choices - for some of us that results in conforming to standards of behaviour viewed as 'morally good' and for some of us that doesn't.

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  39. Sea bitch you need to get a life, do you think I do all that thinking?

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  40. "Civilized" humans are in constant battle with themselves. They constantly cling to the illusion of safety and control, and are horrified and abrasive towards anything that challenges it. Whether it's a mugging gone wrong, or slipping on icy stairs, death comes for all whenever it damn well pleases.

    We don't live a life of freedom, a simple fact. Morals are just another shackle, tying down the so-called insanity of base, human tendencies.

    The issue is that this fact is irrelevant. We've come too far technologically to ever revert, and social thought and philosophy, specifically morals, are shoved down every child's throat, so even the amoral, conscienceless sociopath learns right from wrong at a young in within the context of their environment, even if it never compels them.

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  41. Shut up Not Able.....lol

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  42. @Sea Witch 7:33pm:

    Agreed on Sartre.

    Furthermore, I'd say science can't really say anything except 'we do stuff if X happens'. This might satisfy a materialist person, but it doesn't shed light on any inquiries that try to accertain the mind as something 'bigger' than just having a brain.

    Wich is why science can't tell wich one is correct: are our morals a sign of our struggle with our nature, or is that struggle an indicative of a second layer of process on our nature's dynamics?

    That is the immortal question. And science simply says 'I'm not interested in metaphysics'... from wich so many people draw: 'hence, there's nothing beyond matter'.

    So to stay in topic: matter is amoral. On the other hand, life is amoral to the point we draw meaning from it ("existence precedes essence").

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  43. I'm pretty sure BadassSociopath is Chuck Norris.

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  44. If I could raise an eyebrow over the internet, that's exactly what I'd do right now..

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  45. Correction @8:28pm: science can't really say anything except 'while we do X, Y happens'.

    I can't see how people draw meaning from this. It's meaningly aseptic by definition.

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  46. Wow Jason. Using my name just to get a comment from me. That's really pathetic. Do you really need my acknowledgement that bad.

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  47. Does everone with aspd think the world revolves around them and has to fight to adjust it?

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  48. *husky voice* Nobody likes the good guy.

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  50. Aspie 4:58pm:

    Oh, I know.

    Hormonal imbalances, especially when combined with stress or trauma, can lead to radical changes in personality, impaired functioning, and a distorted or non-existent sense of objective reality.

    Many years ago a hormonal imbalance sparked an unprovoked murderous rage in me that was, in hindsight, frighteningly irrational and fascinatingly amoral to my mind because it was completely foreign to my sense of self.

    Without anticipation I was utterly consumed with intense thoughts of violently killing a stranger who was rude to me in the street – hers was apparently the penultimate push in what I saw as a dignity-stripping week.

    Time had dilated, but it was a mere five minutes later that my conscience returned when the 'threat' was removed, and I've occasionally played with the what-ifs since.

    We're all capable of so-called unspeakable acts; but it's comforting for most of us to believe that 'ordinary' (read: 'moral') people are not.

    Neptune 7:59pm:

    Go sit on your trident and spin.

    TheNotablePath 8:04pm and AmoralBing 8:28pm / 8:41pm:

    I concur!

    This is on my reading list.

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  52. Hey Mikey Vic !

    (MichAEl)

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  53. What would you say about pragmatics, Note?

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  54. Does everone with aspd think the world revolves around them and has to fight to adjust it?

    The "world" does revolve around me. Who else am I supposed to live for? What other portals do I look through to see the world, other than my own eyes? Whose feet do I walk with? Whose drives, desires and impulses do I bend knee to? If I must be a slave or a drone, it will be to myself, and no one else. A pitiless master, but one I know well.

    This "world" you speak of, society, civilization, is a fabrication and an abomination against human nature, born from the insecurities and misplaced power into the hands of the weak and the scared.

    How can I resist fighting such a malformed obscenity? Every bone in my body and thought compels me to destroy it.

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  55. I know virtually nothing of the subject of pragmatics in an academic sense. I hadn't heard of it until you mentioned it. Any special reason you would ask?

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  56. To some of the anons in here; posting "I like to kill, I'm a killer etc" just makes you look retarded and quite honestly no one gives a fuck. Stay classy.

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  57. If matter is amoral, morality systems bogus, then what would socio-utopia look like?.

    Just curious . . .

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  59. @Sea Witch:

    Ah. Humans as AIs: this is the kind of example where some (not all) scientists seem in an eternal effort to catch a phantasm - to draw an ontological explanation with a physicist system. It's predetermined to fail, because they're requesting something outside the system's structure.

    It's still an engaing topic, nonetheless.

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  60. Re pragmatism:

    It is a quality I think I possess. But I am not all that pleased with it lately. It really should be used on a case by case basis, especially when I'm vulnerable. I sometimes have a "culture of hope" problem, so it just doesn't work all the time.

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  61. I'm fast fading, so I apologize, but what was the relevance of the question? *looks for anything in the house with caffeine*

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  62. I don't want to keep you up. I think I just wanted to hear your thoughts if you had any.

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  63. Sheesh I should be sleeping too, Note.

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  64. I think my exboyfriend loved me because I believed he did. I believed he did because I hoped he did.

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  65. I feel like I tricked myself into falling in love with him.

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  66. Fuck you , "dick"

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  67. Gnite yo. I got some bitches to fight tomorrow.

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  68. AMoralBing 10:36pm:

    Oh, I completely agree with you.

    But from what I can gleam it's not so much about humans as AIs as the importance of trying to ensure (in so much as we ever can) that the choices we make are personal and not exclusively chosen for us by our genes *or* parasitic memetic environments - it's been likened to a biophysical companion to my much adored Erich Fromm's psychosocial works.

    *shrug* We shall see.

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  69. Do socios care about their physical appearance. I assume the narc in them does.

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  70. Nah, a sociopath wouldn't care much about his appearance. A grandiose psychopath on the other hand would revel over his appearance, the psychopath is more likely to keep put of trouble as they are more intelligent, they are similar to the narc in that when they get into a prison they complain, what am I doing around these lowlifes? Remember 80 percent of inmates fit the profile of a sociopath, 10 percent fit the primary psychopath. Examples of primary psychopaths are con men and serial murderers, a sociopath would be your local petty theif.

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  71. True story, I just killed 5 people with one tomahawk, don't fuck with Badass.

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  72. Soulful Path 11:38AM

    Wonderfully said! Love it! :)

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  73. LOL I just switched my primary mode of thinking from intuition to sensing, it was a completely different perspective. Dr. Andrews is full of shit, end off.

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  74. Too much generalising goes on here these days.

    And by the way, to my favourite little impostor, I would never use the word "sheesh". You need to hone your performance little one.

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  75. I actually dont see murder as the worst thing you can do, sometimes its worse to be left alive, in the aftermath of someones actions.

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  76. Nope. "Nature" is indifferent. It doesn't seek vengence.
    If someone dies from "exposure" it's because he's out in the cold.
    "Human" circumstances placed him there.
    If someone is high on drugs and jumps off a rooftop, the law of
    gravity doesn't care. The person's human foibles are to blame.

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  77. Killing someone else is problematic because it makes you a thief of their agency and their future. Nature gives life even if ultimately that life is finite. When one person steals someone else's life they have trespassed upon the gift of life.

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    1. You are placing nature and humanity on the same level. They're not. Humanity is at a lower level - you have to compare the theft of agency to that of a specific species. The difference is, we have the conscious choice to do so - not for sake of survival - but for sport or to discard. Other species kill as part of a macro-level cyclical contribution, for which they are completely not conscious of. We are conscious, and for that we ignore it for the desire of greater agency.

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  78. But nature is not the law? Even if nature says aye the law says no? End of story and case closed, for sure..

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  79. Yup.
    Nature is cursed.

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    1. Is that you mr T..?

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    2. *sigh?* Ont krut förgås inte så lätt (olde swedish adage)..

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  80. Love to see a bit of Mill popping up on this blog. One of my favourite philosophers.

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  82. "Highly evolved beings have their own conscience as pure law"

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