Monday, January 17, 2011

Morning after pill for conscience

A reader writes:
I came across this article in the Village Voice. It’s about the possibility of a “morning after pill” for the conscience. This pill would prevent moral emotions like remorse and regret. As you’ll see in the article, the thought is that they’d ostensibly use this kind of medication to ease the effects of PTSD, especially for active duty, on the battlefront soldiers. After all, who wants to live with the self-imposed emotional suffering that seems to accompany killing people in a war zone? But of course, the ramifications of being able to do away with remorse and guilt with a pill will come with debate on how moral using such a pill would be. Is it morally right to deny our fighting men and women a means to effectively eradicate the most painful emotional effects of being on the front lines in a war that the nation asked them to fight in the first place? On the other hand, is it morally right to create a pharmaceutical that might turn off emotions that act as a safeguard against mankind’s less than ethical impulses? We all know such a drug would not stay within the confines of the military forever. Does science really want to, in effect, sell sociopathy in a bottle?

240 comments:

  1. It's not sociopathy in a bottle, though I know what you're getting at.

    We're not the only empathy challenged folks out there, just the ones with the most stigma. If I was empathetic, out in the battlefield and I ended up shooting some innocent kids in the middle of a firefight, I think I would be grateful for such a pill to be available. I think the US troops aren't allowed to have booze in some countries due to cultural sensitivities or some crap. This would be a decent substitute.

    We can bomb the shit out of them and raze their country, but booze? Heavens no.

    As long as dosing troops isn't compulsory, I don't see the problem here.

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  2. Anti-depressents, anti-psychotics, mood stabilizers... all have the effect of easing various emotional symptoms. To me this doesn't seem much different. It's just one more psych drug utilized in order to aid people in dealing with an extreme emotional situation. I imagine this would have other mood oriented implications though, not just work on remorse and regret. If you effect one mood it's unlikely that others will not be effected. These effects may make it easier in war, but difficult to deal with life outside, on leave.

    If it makes it easier to kill, pillage, plunder, raze and bomb so that people lose their moral code and detach from human emotions altogether... that would obviously be a problem. But in a situation where you have no choice in doing these things anyways, it may also allow soldiers to be more effective as they won't have the emotional attachments that would 'stay the trigger'.

    Beginnings of mental super soldier serum, perhaps? Emotions are pesky things for soldiering.

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  3. *raises hand* I know, I know!

    One day they're going to make a pill that makes us all the same!

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  4. I was just wondering if, since they can make a pill to remove emotions... Can they make one to instill, create, put in place various emotions?

    They can take empathy away. Can they create empathy, also?

    Interesting.

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  5. And the side effects: thoughts of suicide.

    It's funny because my professor just lectured us on saving lives. His example: If there is a car accident with 3 people in a car, 1 mom and 2 kids, but you can only save one..who do you save? Of course everyone said the youngest child. He said NO. Save the mother. He said to morality aside and do what is best for society. A child without the mother is a weight on society. Of course he's not from this country so maybe that's his culture talking. I was shocked. How do nursing students put morality aside?

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  6. @Grace
    That example makes no sense. "Doing what is best for society" is itself a morality (and, more specific, an ethical conduct). So what he advocated was one professional ethical standard over another (in his rationale: utilitarianism > humanism).

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  7. notably attacking notableJanuary 17, 2011 at 6:17 AM

    reading notable one can tell how second nature alcohol has become to so called 'developed' nations. he makes it sound like it's his mother's milk and he is the fucking baby. can't live without booze, how can you send me to war without booze? do you spend a day without booze notable?

    i am all for the availability of this medication. this would be great for hsp folks, and for empaths who are grieving a loss in which they partially feel responsible. heck, i would not leave home without it, assuming this is not addictive like alcohol has been for the likes of notable.

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  8. notably embracing notableJanuary 17, 2011 at 6:21 AM

    oh, i feel so remorseful having said all the nasty things to notable, sweet child, give me one of those pills.

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  9. "Can they make one to instill, create, put in place various emotions?"

    Isn't ecstacy supposed to create or enhance empathy? When I took it, everybody kept telling me and eachother how we were all "on the same level" And I didn't know what the fuck they were talking about. I felt kind of high, but that was it.

    I think it's easier to take away something thats already there, then to produce something in a person that never existed in the first place in the first place.

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  10. *just one "in the first place"*

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  11. :) are u embarrassed for that coupling misanthrope? take the pill.

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  12. Somtimes corrections just need to be made.

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  13. do it again then, needed.

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  14. That sentence didn't make sense.

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  15. sorry, was not clear (to you). i was refrrinng to your 'somtimes.' possible that it still is not clear (to you).


    now i feel really bad, give me the pill.

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  16. ":)"

    I think I'll call you "mong anon" from now on. Since your always smiling like a retard.

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  17. i love you, misanthrope. you can do anything you want to me. i would feel honored. you are all that i got in this unGodly hour, horseshit covered hay bed, moonlight flickering through the cracks of the shack

    i am surprised you did not take the bait in that sentence, someone else would have. god bless you.

    what is mong, mis?

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  18. "what is mong, mis?"

    Heh, it's you now I guess. Your bait was to obvious.

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  19. i see that you liked being referred to as mis. so, mis is it from now on.
    mong and mis like juliet and romeo

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  20. Mong:

    Adj. Lacking in physical and cerebal ability. General retardation.

    Generally: a total spastic

    If I can do whatever I want to you, I going to treat like shit, mong anon.

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  21. that's all i want, mis. the more public it is, the worse it is the better. you are my alter ego. is mong your alter ego?

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  22. I find your discussions shallow and pedantic.

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  23. Your boring me, mong anon. Go play in traffic or something, and take Mike with you.

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  24. i'll be back to say some nice things to you once in a while, mis. gotta go now, goats are awaiting

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  25. Hope for empaths in the future generation anticipated by M.E.?

    Don't ditch the cyro plans, just control the market for this product Ukan.

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  26. They have medicine for everything. Isn't anti-depressants used to fake happiness? I don't see anything wrong with using medication to be normal and function properly, that's what doctors and meds are for right?

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  27. Grace, it would seem that the analysis behind their decision to think that way would involve favoring women. I haven't read the blog up since you posted, but I've jumped into people before who thought that way and more often than not it was the exclusion of the male factor. For example "Without women you'd have no babies, omg save the woman first". While this is ultimately true, it seems they stop thinking about the fact that it requires a man as well (while they are thinking along these lines).

    If you want to think about what's humane, save the one who's still conscious, or not burned too badly. Scars are a sore sight even if people accept the reason(s) why they are present.

    I guess it doesn't really matter does it?

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  28. Don't have to dig that deep to see that control over emotions is a big deal in just about everything. From bargaining in the market, learning maths from assholes, to being the non-needy guy that you all want to go to bed with.

    What do they teach you about 'triage' in nursing school Grace?

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  29. math anxiety... lol. just relax.

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  30. Why save any? Why not goto the gas tank, puncture it with a knife, and light the gas. Burn'em all. Fuck the mother and her kids. They are a weight on society, as human beings are overpopulated anyway.

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  31. I feel the same way about this as I wrote on my blog in response to your article "A Society full of Socioptahs?".

    Taking emotions away from empathic people is a bad idea. They depend on them to thrive, even if it means they sometimes suffer. Suffering is as much a part of their lives as is joy and love, etc.

    The feelings of the spectrum of feelings complement each other.

    What they need is a change in ideology, in how they understand and view the world, they don't need to not feel anything.

    It wouldn't be good for them (the empathic normal people), and it wouldn't be good for us (the sociopaths and psychopaths)!


    You can find my article by clicking my name (Zhawq).

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  32. Notable Attacker,

    your attack on Notable is inane and without imagination.

    Weak people's poor attempts at elevating their status by suckering up to others through primitive bullying annoy me more than self important posters ever will.

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  33. Lol, I love bullies

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  34. Ukan, that way of population control's is,..ummm haven't you heard of the results of in inbreeding?

    Alcohol as mother's milk..lol a better way of population control (for developed countries)?

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  35. @Zwhag... as I'm someone that falls into the empathic category (though I'm far from normal), I can say there are times, about 90% of my life, that I wish I could not feel emotions. Emotions, especially for people with depression and turbulent displays, are worse than feeling nothing. I'd rather feel nothing than something so crushing that it deadens in it's own way.

    I do agree that the feelings in the spectrum compliment each other, however for those that have a very unbalanced spectrum it may come as a relief to feel nothing.

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  36. I wonder what would happen if a sociopath took one of those pills?

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  37. now that made me laugh really hard and I have no idea why... i mean it's great.. yeah, socios should take those... maybe the side effects will trigger something very interesting..

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  38. i can't stop laughing... UKan on the morning after pill...

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  39. Psychopath -

    Ritualistic behavior,Compulsivity,Attempts to conceal mental instability,Severe memory disorders and an inability to tell the truth,History of committing assault,Suicidal tendencies,Head injuries; injuries suffered at birth,Unhappiness in childhood resulted in inability to find happiness,Extraordinary cruelty to animals,Attraction to arson without homicidal interest,Symptoms of neurological impairment,Hypersexuality and abnormal sexual behavior.

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  40. cut the balls and will be cured for good

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  41. I was dropped on my head a couple of times as a baby, i have a long history of violent assaults, I'm a bastard to animals and i can't remember yesterday. I don't know if i had an unhappy childhood, as i can't remember it, i live in the present.

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  42. @grace
    of course save the mother. she is more sentient and conscious than a child and therefore has more 'life'. a 1 year old child is as worthy of life as a cow, and you much down your mcdonalds without a second thought. plus as the dude said, an orphaned child is a burden.

    @zhawq
    have you ever made a post that didn't refer to your blog? ffs man you come off as rather desperate for approval.

    @notable
    are you of turkish descent? some of the things you've said... it's a long shot i know but i get the feeling.

    i'm quite tempted to buy some oxytocin, which has had trials in aspies and has been shown to help with their atypical emotions. as an experiment, like.

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  43. I'm astonished by how nice you all are to each other on here, I'm sure you will call it maturity or come up with another excuse, UKan is the only one Ive seen victimize others relentlessly.

    Cyber bullying can be just as fun as the real thing.

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  44. Feeby Prince, anyone?

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  45. @Anon

    Where did you get that definition? It seems a little different from the typical ones provided by the DSM-IV crowd. Does it provide additional details?

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  46. Anon, i do prefer bullying when i am in a group, it's all the more satisfying when there are bombardments coming from all directions, it's nice seeing someone squirm like that, i admit, i never pick on anyone who is a match for me or who will retaliate, i wouldn't call it cowardice, it's survival.

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  47. @ Anon - I think it is exclusively to serial killers, brainwaves in psychopaths are erratic, hence why some coin them "scatter brains"

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  48. ResCogitans said:
    @notable
    are you of turkish descent? some of the things you've said... it's a long shot i know but i get the feeling.

    How would you know? Are you Turkish?

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  49. was it notable who said he'd ho anywhere in the middle east except turkey? why was that?

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  50. i've never seen notable mention turkey.
    just some countries have certain people. like israel and arrogant wankers (i wasn't surprised sam vaknin is from there).

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  51. I smoke weed and I think it gives me some empathy. Maybe it just calms me down. Sometimes when someone crosses me, including my girlfriend, I start finding ways of destroying them in a obsessive way. With my girlfriend I say things I know will cut her deeply. With others, well, I do all kinds of things since most I have no affinity with except our mutual hate.
    I took exctacy a couple of years ago. Its a farce. You walk around thinking people are better than they actually are. The next day you wake to remember it was all lies.
    I took coke once very long ago and it was disgusting. Never will I try that again.
    I took acid and I was twice as evil. I climbed on the roof and imagined the whole city burning on my command. I ran around the city causing havoc thinking every place I caused chaos in was now mine.

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  52. Aaaaaaand here come the sycophants...

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  53. ukan, do you worry you won't be a good husband?
    i stayed single a while, just short flings, as i didn't think there was any hope of me being part of a long term relationship.
    found a nice girl recently. think i'll give it a go. psychology graduate - could be an interesting dynamic...

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  54. Who would really do anything in the situation that Graces professor described? I came across a car wreck when I was 15. The two people in in one of the cars were clearly already dead, and the woman in the other car was still alive, but seriously fucked up. An ambulance was called, but nobody actually tried to help the woman themselves, only one guy even tried to speak to her. Alot of the crowd was panicking, it was pretty wild. We all pretty much just stood there and watched her die. I didn't feel any need or urge to help her though, I just wanted to see what would happen(at least I didn't puncture the gas tank though).

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  55. how old are you rC? and the nice girl? won't work if you perceive her less intelligent already

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  56. mis, i once hot a bunch of sheep. i was fast turning the curve and they were crossing the road. i just watched them too. they stinked with popped guts and stuff.

    as ever,

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  57. and actually i quite liked ecstasy, took every weekend for about a year. you gotta go dancin and take enough to lose yourself. coke does nothing for me. maybe dopamine neuro thing - what do you mean disgusting? acid was interesting once or twice. weed i like too much but your life just treads water instead of taking you anywhere. would like to try heroin but no contacts...

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  58. i'm 31. she's 22. the part narc in me would always define 'intelligence' in my favour.

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  59. I couldn't really lose myself when I took ecstacy. I felt kind happier then usual, but it really didn't do alot for me. I started snorting coke and sniffing glue when I was 14, but I don't really do it that much anymore. Has anyone ever tried heroin?

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  60. "Has anyone ever tried heroin?"

    LOL, WTF

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  61. Ha ha mines in psychology too. I don't know if I worry ill be a good husband, as much as I wonder, if that makes any sense.
    The psychology dynamic is interesting, but is somewhat annoying too. She keeps calling bullshit anytime I say anything that's outside the box she put me in. She thinks I'm way more awful than I actually am thanks to her stupid classes.
    I don't worry about cheating on her or beating her, since that's not my thing. I worry about going to prison and leaving my family to fend for themselves. If my child is to become great s/he needs to be tutored by me in the ways of obtaining and wielding power.

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  62. what if it's the truth. what if you really are the most intelligent and attractive in your circles? what if you are not a narc but a go getter? impossible?

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  63. Contrary to popular belief, narcs aren't the social masters they are made out to be, they are charming and know all the right things to say usually, but they are much to fearful of humiliation to be the life of the party.

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  64. yeah i know what you mean about wondering rather than worrying. i guess there's only one way to find out ;)
    i watched "i, psychopath" the documentary about vaknin at the weekend. married 10 years. that's a fucked up relationship if every i saw one.

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  65. Narcissists and psychopaths fear real intimacy, so it is normal of Vaknin to treat his wife like a dog.

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  66. @anon 1.03
    i am. and the most athleticly talented. therefore it's difficult for me to judge whether how i feel about myself is narcissistic or just realistic. i'm quite open about this with some people... click to read my full assessment if you really want.

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  67. the part narc in me would always define 'intelligence' in my favour.

    Pretty much.

    As far as being Turkish, no, I'm heavily mixed. But, I do have lineage from a country right next to Turkey though.

    Grace, it's pragmatic, like Res said. She can always make new ones until she hits menopause.

    Drugs-wise, I've tried a few here and there. None were life changing in a good way. I stick with smokes and booze.

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  68. Do you pay for her classes, UKan?

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  69. marrying types don't seek ideal love. they seek ideal marriage for their circumstances. you are not impressed by marriage (possibly your parents sucked at it).

    at your age, soon you gotta level with life, form a family, and operate on the side seeking ideal love. like dexter seeking his needs outside marriage. if you don't marry by 40 you will carry a stigma and only get more insane. find a useful life quickly. separate the search for love from search for wife. or, muscle up for being on your own for good.

    just like addiction to murders there is addiction to love. have you heard of sexaholics anonymous? go to their meetings, meet all the smart girls who know where to find love addicts.

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  70. I stayed away from heroin and meth. Introducing addictive drugs to someone with a propensity for boredom is just a bad idea.
    I don't like exctacy. Besides blinding me to peoples actual identity it gave me sick thoughts. Like sexually sadistic ones I either surpress when I'm sober or don't have at all. I don't really want to know.
    Coke is disgusting because it tries to make you feel like a king, but for me I already feel like a king. It makes you talk to much and I already talk to much. So all it does is make you feel fucking dirty, energetic, and terrible after.

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  71. Feeling like a king, and being a king are two different things, buddy.

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  72. Her classes are paid by the state, but I buy her books. She doesn't have to pay for anything. She's a homemaker. I'm the bread winner. I don't need a women to work, I need a stable clean home and a educated women. I have plans for her.

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  73. No anonymous, they are not. You have to feel like a king before you will ever be one.

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  74. now, this one is not really a spelling issue. this is subconscious presenting the need to remain generic in the mind, no particular woman. only the high forms can follow what i'm saying here.

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  75. fake it till you make it... the hope of a socio. nope, you'll always be faking it. true kings never even realize they are. you watch and imitate.

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  76. Only a muppet would follow what you say here.

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  77. No amount of toothpaste and floss and remedy all the bullshit coming out of your anonymous little mouth.

    What's it like to live life through sayings you don't even understand? Must be rather relaxing, in an ignorant way.

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  78. i hear cracks.. squeaks... sizzles... turn around and make more noise.

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  79. anon, you're right to some extent in that i'm not sure it's a natural thing, and i've seen a lot of fucked up ones. but my parents seem to work. still together and love each other.
    ukan - that's what i meant about it doing nothing for me; i already feel like a king, as you put it, and in manic phases anyway talk at 100mph.

    notable - good to know my spidey sense wasn't too far off.

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  80. Do your parents have a personality disorder?

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  81. Anonymous don't talk of power as you have no clue on how to gain or wield it. Some of us are the kings behind kings in actual life. Real power is influence of one person who commands armies of the loyal. Put your fucking textbook away and stand in awe of someone greater than yourself. Real and fake are subjective to the person who shapes it into realization, so its irrelevant.

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  82. You mention Israel and Arrogance. What do you associate Turkey with? :P Besides a bitchin' sandwich.

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  83. Gobble gobble, what a fucking name for a country. Its like they are announcing cowardice.

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  84. oh, my, it's the english speaking morons who called the country that way, my high intelligence HUKan

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  85. Why save anyone? Because I'm training to be a nurse. I will have to think clearly under those circumstances without thinking too much at all. The truth..I will save whoever is going to be the easiest person to save without putting my own life in jeopardy. I'm no hero. Besides, my life is worth more because I can save lives. I'm not being egotistic but I think you know what I mean.

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  86. What I find hard to believe is that you were shocked. You're not a youngin' and going into a field that requires decision making like you just said, and then you had the audacity to make it an, "Oh, but he's foreign" issue.

    It's pronounced tur kee yay, roughly. You can't blame the English speakers for that, anon.

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  87. i think you made the most sense. go for a sure save without hurting yourself. you go girl

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  88. has anyone seen "the road", pretty bleak movie about a post apocalyptic world, perhaps a decade in. the only remaining humans are the cannibals and the good guys. so which would you rather be, on the run starving to death and scavenging, or hunting people for food. maybe people under severe pressure and adversity are able to disconnect the empathetic part of the brain, survival instinct. i totally beleive we can do this by ourselves without a pill. the human mind is pretty powerful when self directed.

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  89. my paternal grandmother was... odd. nothing i would diagnose. my maternal grandfather was most likely NPD from what i've heard. i never really knew him as he died when i was ~7.

    i associate turkey with many things - a western facing country which is 98% muslim will of course have some cognitive dissonance about how to live life. just i'd watched sherlock holmes recently and decided to sharpen my datamining and psych profiling skills. e.g. ME lives in apt number 127 ;)

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  90. notable, tur kee yay is not 'turkey' as english speakers write and call it. good thing you know what you're talking about.

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  91. and by the way, the bird was named after the country.

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  92. Why do the empaths adapt a bad ass attitude every time they come here? Is it a defence mechanism, Grace?

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  93. Ugh, coke turns me into a freak. :O Though i love flying! I love-hate drugs and drink.

    "An ambulance was called, but nobody actually tried to help the woman themselves, only one guy even tried to speak to her. Alot of the crowd was panicking, it was pretty wild. We all pretty much just stood there and watched her die" (Misanthrope)
    You see, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. Most people do nothing. Drives me mad.

    And I agree with Zhawq regarding ME's post.

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  94. 127... I AM KILLING

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  95. I really liked The Road. One of the few post-apoc movies out there that seems like it would be something close to how it really would be.

    I have no qualms about cannibalism, but eating people is a finite source. They breed too slow, take too much to feed, et cetera. Targets of opportunity. I think scavenging and possibly trying to utilize a hydroponics center would be more efficient. There has to be seeds/mix somewhere out there. All you'd have to worry about is a constant power source.

    I get pegged a lot for cognitive dissonance. The issue is not cultural though, just that I'm always in flux. My descent near Turkey is several generations back, so you had more of a lucky shot in the dark.

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  96. my mind's spinning right now. Anyway.

    Res, it's weird how you pegged Notable but not me since i'm from around there. Muhahaha!
    (not Turkey but sooo close).

    Btw, the anon from before, that was Postmodern who was talking about travelling (or not) there.

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  97. notable - i show you my left hand while i pick your pocket with my right ;)
    it was nothing you said really, the main thing was that you are not quite as anonymous as you think. other little things seemed cohesive with the theory. i'd have guessed 2nd generation though... on your father's side, obviously.

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  98. Four or five generations back to the part of my family that had descent from a neighboring country (not pure blood), mother's side.

    I don't think I'm all that anonymous, but your profiling is obviously off :P

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  99. notme - hard to peg a cultural type to a BPD, yous are all over the place. i'd certainly have said you were mixed racially. all the most beautiful girls are ;)

    and where is the PoMo Sapiens? come out of your hiding, I want you to explain the 2 envelope paradox to me. it bugs the fuck out of me.

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  100. Misanthrope

    I could never say for certain until I come across that situation myself. I know I've encountered a lot of incidents where I was always the first to act. There's often a domino effect, when one person goes in to help, others follow. There was a drunk woman lying in the middle of the road at a traffic light. Cars couldn't pass her. This man almost walked right over her ignoring her. Arsehole. I got out the car and helped her up, then a couple others helped too etc.

    I can understand the panic in that car accident scenario, but people either don't care, or are just sheep - they just do what the majority do - if no one's helping, neither do they.

    LOL, at work a man had an epileptic fit and was on the ground. My supervisor had the ambulance on the phone. As soon as he saw me he gave me the phone and just walked off non-chalantly. Suddenly, I felt like this man's life was in my hands. It was ridiculous! lol. Why my supervisor thought I was responsible enough to deal with it is beyond me. haha

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  101. PoMo is the one who refuses to go to tur kee yay? why?

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  102. to the notable path - yes the road was brilliant, read the book its short but even a bit more gruesome. its hard for me to say what i would do, i think being thoroughly prepared would be the only means to survival, failing that as you say, its only a matter of time. so not being prepared, i would possibly just shoot myself rather than die slowly or get eaten.

    i think humans are very adaptable and empathy would be a luxury in some cases, take the pioneers the donner party - they ate eachother by half.

    hard to know, humans can do exceptional things under exceptional circumstances...

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  103. Res, I can see what you're saying.
    We are all over the damn place.
    hehe. I have no intellectual loyalty to my parent's culture.
    Nor to anyone's. I kind of make things up as I go along. Hmm...Does that sound weird? maybe.

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  104. notable - where are your paternal grandparents from, or that side of your family anyway. maybe they threw me off a bit.
    off course i also just have to suspect i got it right but you don't wanna fess up ;) i've deliberately left a clue in a comment today about where i'm from, but only someone from the UK would get it.

    pomo not bitten yet - i thought appealing to his vanity would do the trick :p

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  105. All of my paternal grandparents were born and raised inside the United States (unless you don't consider a sovereign native American territory to be US), step-grandparents included. Great grand parents, a different story.

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  106. what happens as we leave comments here? ME gets notified on each one? if not, how often do you blog-posters check your own blogs for comments?

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  107. There's a comment section where you can see and edit new comments for Blogger. Of course, he can always just come to this page and do the same thing...

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  108. TNP, I wasn't the only one who thought to save the children first. But that's why im in training. He's from Russia I think..crazy dude but excellent teacher.

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  109. Res, no idea where that clue is.
    I thought you were in Austrailia. Am I just inventing things again?

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  110. What if you were in an accident with two other, a child and your partner. None of you can get out on your own. According to this group one person would just stand there wanting to watch you all die, one would be deciding who would be the least burden on society and the last would be running up puncturing your gas tank and setting your car on fire.

    WTF, LOL

    Get the picture?

    Lovley Grace is excluded.

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  111. Fuck children, why do people go on the defensive when children are mentioned? I hope you all know i stood one a four year olds head yesterday.

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  112. Anon, I don't know, I think Postmodern considered it dangerous there at the moment. Actually, I don't know, you'd have to ask him.

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  113. Your picture is a gross simplification for effect. There's a big difference between being stuck, and fatally injured.

    I had a teacher in grade school who was in an accident, driving drunk. He had to sit and talk with his wife as she died from internal bleeding, since there was nothing anyone could do for her with her body being pinned down almost in half.

    If you empathize with a situation out of the actual act, different people will react differently. A mother will allow her to see the children as her own, thus maternal instincts dictating logic. The adult without kids would obviously see the pragmatism in saving the mother. It's not a PD issue, it's a relational issue.

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  114. No he flied, literally. Who cares? Most children if not all grow up to be idiots either way.

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  115. @notme, yes i'm a biscuit designer from australia~
    no - physicist, uk. i needed to add some subterfuge to my profile as i wanted to show haven's blog to someone and i didn't want them to guess who i was if i commented and they clicked on my profile. i stopped following it publicly to be doubly sure.
    the clue was a colloquial use of a certain word ;) you from UK?

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  116. I remember coming on here a while back .. there was some fool saying how he couldn't see why people who claim they are sociopaths go into a rage. He was saying how he never feels rage because he was above those feelings, who else thinks that is a farce?

    I would argue that sociopaths are in a constant state of rage, looking out for sleights, the difference is, a sociopath will only rage if he knows he will get away with it, people with underlying insecurity are angry at everyone, authority, parents and friends, there is always a hidden goal when the sociopath rages at you.

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  117. Anon 2:37, and you prove the point your trying to make, Grown idiot.

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  118. I've heard people use wanker in the States. It might have originated in the UK, but it's not exclusive.

    No, anon. Just no. Rage is not constant, and when I reach that state, I can't be controlled.

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  119. Am i the only American user? I guess most of you are from the UK, right? Kinda weird considering the USA is the sociopath capital of the world ha.

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  120. lol, yes, I remember now. How are those biscuits coming along?~

    hmm, a colloquialism? I shall see...
    Yeah,I'm in the Uk. Capital...

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  121. "wanker" just means i'm from UK/Ireland. for the benefit of anyone not from there it means masturbater and is used as an insult akin to dickhead. my clue would tie me to a specific region.

    @anon there are a range of tempers in empaths and socios alike. it is just that empaths feel more restrained by a conscience. socios are defined partly by lack of self control but i believe that is a self fulfilling diagnosis. we aren't long away from routine NMR / fMRI scans which will reveal a much better classification criteria.

    anyways... just been reading a piece about ventromedial frontal cortex role in behaviour. i fucking hate the way every paper on something like that refers to it being dysfunctional. i am not a malfunctioning human being i am simply not NT. pisses me off the way it's all so prejudiced against anyone who thinks differently.

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  122. Clearly, sociopathy is not dysfunctional in society, just different :P I know the frustration, but I don't think any of us out there are what we would consider good, functioning people. At least, that's not the impression I get. We all have our dark sides just waiting to bust out to the fore if we don't let it hang there in the first place.

    Considering I've heard wanker used on the west coast, east coast, south and mid-west of the States, I don't think it's nearly as uncommon as you think it is, Res.

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  123. It's not self fulfilling, it's an inabilty to plan ahead, I can't plan ahead more than 24 hours, it's essential to be diagnosed.

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  124. Late to the Discussion 'PathJanuary 17, 2011 at 3:05 PM

    I'm not sure how I feel about the "morning after" pill. I imagine it would be pretty situation-specific, just as the medication that supposedly can remove traumatic memory. (Yes, there is such a thing. Apparently it's administered in a controlled setting and targets whatever memory is actively evoked right before it's given.) If it's given after-the-fact (and not on the battlefield itself,) I think it's probably more a matter of individual choice rather than a larger question of ethics.

    And then again--as M.E. noted--who knows what other uses it will find?

    What I'd really like to see is a prophylactic rather than a cure. What about developing a drug that would enhance critical thinking? What about a drug that would reduce the empathic tendency towards such mob contagion of thought and behavior? But then, how marketable would such a thing be if it promised to eliminate blind patriotism or ethnocentric paranoia?

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  125. oh ok maybe not. homer called someone a wanker in the simpsons once. i got the impression it was allowed because the censors didn't realise it was rude :)

    if we were judged by our thoughts everyone would be guilty. there is no such thing as a thought crime, and so long as i recognise the rationality of playing by the rules i do not consider anyone to have the right to judge me as malfunctioning based on my thoughts and thought processes.

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  126. Have a question. I met this guy online and we've been chatting for about two weeks and he really seems nice. Today he asked me for my cell number and I gave it to him. Now I regret it because I don't really know this guy from a hole in the wall. But how else can I get to know him right? I asked my friends and they said go for it. But I don't know. I hate this. Maybe I should have waited longer and just chatted for now.

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  127. Res. Somwhere in whales? Is the clue "like"

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  128. "What about developing a drug that would enhance critical thinking?"
    quite a lot of evidence for serotonin 5-HT 6 receptor drugs and in phosphodiesterase inhibitors for that. i used to date a pharma researcher into altzheimers meds. give them to normal people and their cognitive functions improve. trouble is the big pharma only get money from drugs that treat diseases, not improve healthy people.

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  129. So you always play by the rules then? How... interesting.

    I wasn't alluding to thought crime. I didn't realize you were squeaky clean.

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  130. mis - now you're just guessing hoping i'll bite.

    notable - i wouldn't say squeeky. i do enjoy acting on behalf of karma occasionally ;) the point is, that so far as anyone knows i am squeeky clean. therefore they have no right to judge me.

    going offline now. i'll sprinkle in another location clue another time. gnight.

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  131. *squeaky
    and *squeaky

    i am a grammar nazi but my spelling sucks sometimes. ciao amigos.

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  132. ResC sounds Australian.

    Noteable you sound irratable, I think you you need some sunshine. Dark and very cold day in the Northeast.
    Go to a tanning salon.

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  133. Fascinating blog .... I stumbled upon the site and have spent an hour or so hopping from one area to another.

    Clever, erudite, superior, self-obsessed and so very, very empty. Hollow people little more than stick figures, like an antenna broadcasting a signal that will hopefully reach visitors to our earth someday.

    I am so sorry for you, how truly sad to being consigned to a lifetime with nothing but a clever mind, to never be able to touch another person or be touched by them.

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  134. But strangely enough it works.
    Can't you feel the love?

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  135. Your pity makes me feel almost like a real boy. Maybe some day.

    Res, I wasn't talking about judgment from others, but tendencies and attitude.

    I saw your latest blog post. Interesting. I don't have the level of self control you do, apparently. Maybe it's more lack of willingness than capability.

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  136. Reading this Mask of Sanity book is making me question everyone's claims of sociopathy even more than usual.

    Compared to some of the case studies (severe cases, obviously), most of you seem to have uses and plans for your bad behavior, goals and aims, quests for power.

    I am also curious as to how many of you have been institutionalized/hospitalized in the past.

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  137. anon 3:37 is not aware of the fact that this blog is the best thing we could be doing for ourselves at the moment. hopefully things will look better tomorrow. he is lucky that someone is on this blog right now as opposed to on his top.

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  138. isn't that book about psychopaths? i thought all we have on this blog is the con artist sociopaths

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  139. biscuit designer as in food services or guitar biscuit. is rC a physicist or not?

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  140. Psychopathy and sociopathy and antisocial personality are interchangable terms according to most definitions, including the book.

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  141. that will make your life difficult to understand the spectrum..

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  142. You may have your own delineations, if you wish, for your own purposes, but it is in no means universal.

    I's prefer to listen to a psychiatrist who has interviewed and experienced hundreds of psychopaths over some anonymous poster on a blog who probably only knows himself.

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  143. A psychopath is a serial killer Medusa

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  144. LOL. Someone I know had his house broken into last night. He called the police while the burglars where still there, but by the time they arrived they had already left with a load of his shit. Then they ended up arresting him because he shouted at them for taking so long. I was laughing at him down the phone. He got really pissed at me and hung up. He's such a fucking loser. He lives with two other guys, but none of them did anything. I would have rushed those fuckers.

    Medusa. I was thrown into a few youth correctional facilities between the ages of 14-17, but I've never been sent to an adult prison.

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  145. read some hare medusa. sociopathy is even considered a personality style not a disorder, especially at the rate western education/capitalism is training people.. people are even called irrational for caring.. certainly in law/business/politics training.

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  146. Let's play with a little transitive property logic.

    Since you say the book is about psychopaths, which you say are different than the con-artist sociopaths that hang around these parts, and you also say that psychopaths are serial killers, then that would mean that the psychopaths in the book are serial killers.

    Most of the psychopaths in the book are not murderers. They mostly just wander off and get drunk.

    So, there you have a logic fail, if you are all the same anon.

    What they have in common is having no care about the consequences of their actions.

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  147. Lol, seriously you are relying on Hare? The dude who only has experience with incarcerated/extremely criminal types of sociopaths/psychopaths?

    Hare doesn't know shit.

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  148. oh well. be that way. i'm missing your point.

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  149. This is what I believe medusa:

    Profile of the Sociopath



    Glibness and Superficial Charm

    Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

    Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

    Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

    Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

    Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

    Incapacity for Love

    Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

    Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

    Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

    Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

    Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

    Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

    Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

    Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
    Other Related Qualities:

    Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
    Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
    Authoritarian
    Secretive
    Paranoid
    Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
    Conventional appearance
    Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
    Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
    Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
    Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
    Incapable of real human attachment to another
    Unable to feel remorse or guilt
    Extreme narcissism and grandiose
    May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

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  150. socio defined part 1January 17, 2011 at 4:48 PM

    This is what I believe Medusa:

    PART 1 Profile of the Sociopath

    This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.


    Glibness and Superficial Charm

    Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

    Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

    Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

    Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

    Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

    Incapacity for Love

    Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

    Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

    Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

    Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

    Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

    Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

    Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

    Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
    Other Related Qualities:

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  151. socio defined part 2January 17, 2011 at 4:49 PM

    Part 2
    Other Related Qualities

    Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
    Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
    Authoritarian
    Secretive
    Paranoid
    Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
    Conventional appearance
    Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
    Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
    Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
    Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
    Incapable of real human attachment to another
    Unable to feel remorse or guilt
    Extreme narcissism and grandiose
    May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

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  152. socio defined part 1aJanuary 17, 2011 at 4:53 PM

    Part 1 was posted now disappeared. I'll further divide it.

    Part 1 a
    Profile of the Sociopath


    Glibness and Superficial Charm

    Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

    Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

    Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

    Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

    Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

    Incapacity for Love

    Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

    Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

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  153. socio defined part 1bJanuary 17, 2011 at 4:53 PM

    Part 1 b

    Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

    Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

    Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

    Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

    Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

    Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

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  154. Uh, your point? As if we don't all already know this stuff 10,000 times over....

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  155. what are you questioning exactly?
    Reading this Mask of Sanity book is making me question everyone's claims of sociopathy even more than usual.

    Compared to some of the case studies (severe cases, obviously), most of you seem to have uses and plans for your bad behavior, goals and aims, quests for power.

    I am also curious as to how many of you have been institutionalized/hospitalized in the past.

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  156. medusa, are you irritated because i'm trying to understand and answer you? i'm at a loss here

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  157. Which word don't you understand?

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  158. I have every trait, which Is remarkably rare.

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  159. My point is that most of the peeps here seem to be capable of long-range planning and consistency in behavior. They care about the consequences and their reputation, and much of what they do is to with the aim of minimizing these consequences. They have for the most part stopped getting into the kinds of trouble that would get them put away.

    In the book however, the psychopaths only care about their immediate impressions, with little or no regard to how it will play out in the future.

    (Dr. Cleckley doesn't even consider de Sade to be a psychopath, FYI)

    Of course, no book is a bible on psychopathy, but seeing differing perspectives gives pause for thought.

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  160. re the psychopath/sociopath killer comment.

    almost all serial killers are psychopaths/sociopaths

    however not all psychopaths/sociopaths are serial killers

    much like most nurses would be empaths - not all empaths would be nurses

    psychopaths/sociopaths form 2-5% of the population

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  161. i think you will find a way to align your thoughts somehow. the way i do is even choosing to live by immediate impulses is a life plan. when one has very little to lose one goes at it. the more broken in early years the worse off we are. when one breaks in adulthood at least one has happy early memories to hold unto. but when the shit starts at birth with the wrong genes plus the lousy environment who can blame a life plan that sounds like a plan a for a very very short life in freedom? prison may even be better than what the predator/victim is going through. heard of case of mary belle (assuming my memory is serving me well with the name)? 9 year old girl killing 3-4 year olds?

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  162. Agreed Anon 4:13

    This is the only way sociopath's have ever been known to benefit towards a more normal life of co-existing and curbing impulses, a type of therapy of sorts. Where their is interaction with other S/P's.

    And instead of insulting them with your ignorace Madusa you should be reconizing that, it's not all about you Madusa.

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  163. i am having second thoughts on people who are around sick people under the disguise of helping them.. doctors/nurses/vets... not a generalization here, but i believe for people who like seeing wounded, suffering creatures these professions have a lot to offer, not to mention money. i suspect a strong empath can't function well around sick people, would avoid assuming such professions.

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  164. You should at least try a different spelling of my name when you post anonymously, this i know.

    Not seeing where I am insulting anyone, unless you are insulted by your own assumption which you've made that I'm saying that you, personally, are not a sociopath/psychopath.

    Also, do sociopaths need the label of 'sociopath' in order to be a sociopath? Because you taking it personally makes it seem that it is so.

    Who this all about now?

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  165. You assume right Anon, it's not a rule but applies to a many.

    What about the nurses that were found to be killing their patient's. Not Empath's, just an oppotunity taken by........ please fill in the blank.

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  166. not to change the topic, but I am trying to come up with a humorous line for someone who finds himself/herself wrapped on Dexter's table. You know, the final words addressing Dexter/life/justice/lover/whatever this soon to die person would choose.

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  167. I think there's a pretty big difference between introspection on your life, and how you execute your actions. I jokingly tell my friends that I don't plan, because if I do, fate conspires against them time and time again.

    Sometimes it's bad luck. Sometimes I fuck it up.

    I can't plan like those around me can. I don't have any long-term goals or paths set ahead of me. Frankly, sometimes I wake up in the morning and am surprised I'm still here. It's why I have a really hard time embracing ideas of having a family or a solid career. I just do whatever I feel like at the time unless I know beyond a shadow of a doubt it will get me in deep shit. And even then, sometimes I succumb.

    Sure, I can hope that I will get that next big promotion, or meet the love of my life, but am I actually pursuing those things? Usually not. I take my cash my serious my relationships.

    So say this view of psychopathy that Cluckley has is the end all, be all of defining it. What does that make us? Those psychiatrists you prefer haven't come up with anything new on it.

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  168. I take my cash more seriously*

    Heh, wow, I really effed that sentence up.

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  169. Dexter, could you pass me the mirror?

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  170. i am also having a hard time getting excited about anything. not surprised about waking up but would have preferred not waking up.

    why are you surprised? are you experimenting with drugs before falling asleep?

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  171. So brilliant you are I have never claimed to be a socio, just irratated by pretentious self consumed people.


    Funny bit; Do you know I have never seen eyes that color. Are they real or do you wear contacts.

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  172. I'll compile these:

    The final words from the one wrapped on Dexter's table (addressing Dexter/life/justice/lover/whatever)

    3. Does this mean no proper funeral service?
    2. Do you know I have never seen eyes that color. Are they real or do you wear contacts?
    1. Dexter, could you pass me the mirror?

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  173. Aren't most of the regulars here pretentious and self-consumed?

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  174. funny bit:

    "Not the face!"

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  175. self-consumed liars, but not pretentious
    (this word is more for sissies)

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  176. that was great, not the face!

    I'll compile these:

    The final words from the one wrapped on Dexter's table (addressing Dexter/life/justice/lover/whatever)

    4. Not the face!
    3. Does this mean no proper funeral service?
    2. Do you know I have never seen eyes that color. Are they real or do you wear contacts?
    1. Dexter, could you pass me the mirror?

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  177. Hm. It's a little bit from here and there. Not hard drugs though. Like UKan, I stay away from Meth and Heroin. Those would probably end up destroying me, along with plenty of collateral damage.

    I do stupid stuff to get in trouble with the wrong people, going on drunken binges, and can be a complete asshole just for the sake of it. I half think people justify in their heads that I'm not such a bad person and am just having a bad day or something. There's not many reasons I fancy they would tolerate the abusive dynamics.

    I also got in quite a few scraps when I was younger, and didn't leave unscathed. I guess I was more surprised back then than I am now, but occasionally it happens.

    This is off topic, but does anyone else here have a horrible memory for short-term stuff? I usually can't remember what I had for dinner, or what I was checking my cell phone for... my focus is all over the place. Yet, I can remember some really specific details about events I've had with other people years after the fact.

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  178. i have the same memory issues. i leave a spot to look for something and when i get there i cannot recall what i was supposed to do. so, i go straight back and then realize what it was. once i repeated this three times. losing focus real quickly.

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  179. The final words from the one wrapped on Dexter's table (addressing Dexter/life/justice/lover/whatever)

    5. Can you send a copy of the blood work for my records?
    4. Not the face!
    3. Does this mean no proper funeral service?
    2. Do you know I have never seen eyes that color. Are they real or do you wear contacts?
    1. Dexter, could you pass me the mirror?

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  180. Funny Bit;

    Dexter reach in my pocket and help yourslf to a breath mint, that rotten tooth is throwing off the rankest oder.

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  181. So why are you compiling these, funny bit?

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  182. sorry for the occasional editing

    8. Can I use the bathroom?
    7. I can't breathe in here.
    6. Dexter reach in my pocket and help yourself to a breath mint, that rotten tooth is throwing off the rankest odor (wanna shorten this one?)
    5. Can you send a copy of the blood work for my records?
    4. Not the face!
    3. Does this mean no proper funeral service?
    2. Do you know I have never seen eyes that color. Are they real or do you wear contacts?
    1. Dexter, could you pass me the mirror?

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  183. For ulterior motives, Medusa. What else?

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  184. sometimes we take ourselves too seriously. if we can laugh together it's good

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  185. Note do I detect a little~~

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  186. notable is a heart breaker.

    9. Dexter, c'mon now, what is your ulterior motive?
    8. Can I use the bathroom?
    7. I can't breathe in here.
    6. Dexter reach in my pocket and help yourself to a breath mint, that rotten tooth is throwing off the rankest odor (wanna shorten this one?)
    5. Can you send a copy of the blood work for my records?
    4. Not the face!
    3. Does this mean no proper funeral service?
    2. Do you know I have never seen eyes that color. Are they real or do you wear contacts?
    1. Dexter, could you pass me the mirror?


    The final words from the one wrapped on Dexter's table (addressing Dexter/life/justice/lover/whatever)

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  187. Why would you ever say that, dear friend?

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  188. 10. I wish we met a long time ago, Dexter

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  189. 11. Does this plastic sheeting make me look fat?

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  190. Funny Bit;

    Could you scratch my balls they itch?

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