Tuesday, August 25, 2015

Famous sociopaths: Lucretius?

From a reader:

This one is a long read, but I think you'll enjoy it.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/08/110808fa_fact_greenblatt?currentPage=all

Apparently Machiavelli was an Epicurean. Epicurean philosophy: materialist, rational, pleasure-oriented and pro-social. It is very different from Catholocism/Christianity.

Personally, Stoicism appeals to me more. It is basically the same philosophy, but with more emphasis on self-control in all situations. But if you are happy and full of joy and wonder, it is a lot easier to be nice.

If you always remember that you've only got right now to live - and that you'll be dead forever - that makes it a lot easier to be nice to oneself and others.

From the article:

Anyone who thought, as Lucretius did, that it was a particular pleasure to gaze from shore at a ship foundering in wild seas or to stand on a height and behold armies clashing on a plain—“not because any man’s troubles are a delectable joy, but because to perceive what ills you are free from yourself is pleasant”—is not someone I can find an entirely companionable soul. I am, rather, with Shakespeare’s Miranda, who, harrowed by the vision of a shipwreck, cries, “O, I have suffered / With those I saw suffer!” There is something disturbingly cold in Lucretius’ account of pleasure, an account that leads him to advise those who are suffering from the pangs of intense love to reduce their anguish by taking many lovers.

36 comments:

  1. Dear North,
    So you employ a hodgepoge of beliefs. Buddhism, Taoism, Suffism,
    Miester Echert, Echert Tolle, et all. There was also a woman from upstate N.Y.
    who followed Khrisnamutti.
    Krisnamritti said formal meditation was unnessasary. The mind, and what it sees, are one. You don't work on your mind, because you ARE your mind. The
    reaction is in YOU. In the spiritual sphere, incremental improvements have
    no place. There is no time. Now is all there is.
    But it's a rich man's philosophy. There's no getting around it. Khrinamutti was
    suppost to be the next Christ. He was taken care of all his life. If forced to
    survive in the cold, cruel, world, his life expectancy would have been equal to
    a domestic animal in the wild. Or take the fraud OSHO. He was a professor.
    He didn't practice what he preached because plentiful goods and sex were
    avaible.
    These ideas are a "groove" that you get on. Attention is essential, but physical
    distractions (Even sex urge) call you back into the world.
    This is what I do with varying sucess:

    1)Reckonize that "my" disenchantment exist ONLY in my mind. It is a REACTION based on an imperminate idenity. (Race, region, religion, ego, etc..)
    2) See that the reaction is self harming. (Once you put your hand on a hot stove,
    you won't repeat the same mistake.)
    3) Stay in the now. Realize the dangers of THINKING, and "what ifing."
    4) Don't struggle against emotion, but don't supress emotion either.
    5) Trust in God, not to give you more then you can handle. He will give you the
    inner strength to handle it, or arrainge your death so you are not around to handle it.
    It helps to be beautiful and rich (like M.E.?) to follow these dictims.
    And least I forget as the ancient Greeks believed, "The door is open."

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    1. Hello

      Interesting. Thanks for sharing your practices, they are fairly similar to my own.

      Not special. That's what zen practices (as far as I can see) are. It's more a letting go of externally-provoked layers of meaning, social meaning.

      A deliberate letting go of dogma and attention primarily to self. But yes, there is discipline involved because when things are scary or difficult, we like to lunge for "pacifiers". Paying attention to self means allowing time and trusting your own organism. From here, you can do anything because you see material "goodness" or sex in terms of what your organism actually happens to want.

      That said, I understand what you mean by "groove". Have you heard of "greasing the groove?" It's a strength training technique developed by Pavel Tsatsouline, also called synaptic facilitation

      Specificity + Frequent Practice = Success.

      I haven't tried the technique, however it operates on the principle that neurons that fire together, wire together. Obviously, this principle is commonly applied to behaviour.

      The door is open! I like it. And that door leads to many others.

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  2. Interesting viewpoint. The question that arises for me, however, is what is Beauty? What constitutes Pleasure? If each of these things exists in the eye of the beholder, then according to this philosophy there is no wrong or right to any pleasure we seek. Everything and nothing are reduced to either pleasure-inducing or something to be avoided.

    Now some might argue that sorrow can be beautiful, not because we enjoy seeing another in pain, but because the person in sorrow emits a special contemplative glow. They radiate a kind of feeling that is so powerful it captures our deepest senses, our appreciation and terror of the fragility of life and the human spirit that struggles to bear this knowledge with wisdom and acceptance rather than fear and hatred.

    What is beauty if not inspiration given form? This question at first sounds pointless (because beauty is in the eye of the beholder). But the more I ponder what is beautiful, the more beautiful all things become. In other words, appreciating beauty inspires a kind of devotional love. And so I wonder: What kinds of things/people are beautiful to sociopaths? Do sociopaths and neurotypicals ever agree on what is beautiful?

    What appears as beautiful one day can seem ugly the next. What changes our judgement of beauty is often fueled by emotion. Then again, I suspect that when we appreciate beauty that that appreciation is often sparked by feelings that are difficult to comprehend (and which are rather fickle). It appears to me that appreciation of beauty and the ability to feel emotion are somehow linked. If that's so, I imagine that the emotions involved for sociopath to appreciate beauty are a different experience from that of the average person. Any thoughts?

    Mr. Hyde

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    1. I am not conventional at all in terms of my appreciation of "beauty". I tend to see it where others rarely do, and what is "beautiful" in the eyes of the world often fails to captivate me. I am not easily smitten by appearances, or what is otherwise superficial.

      On that note, Mr. Hyde, you may recall that I asked you the otger day what Dr. Jekyll "looks like". I did not mean to solicit a description of your appearance, which holds very little interest for me.

      Mr. Hyde is apparently very charming and articulate. I was enquiring about the flip-side of your personality. There is a Jekyll for every Hyde. ;)

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    2. Jekyll is a strong, silent, brooding mensch. Very charming and kind when he chooses to be; an opinionated asshole when he's riled. He rarely shows his terrible temper, however, unless some idiot seriously rubs him the wrong way. (Jekyll's anger is usually taken out on local Nazi's who would bully Hyde's lowlife friends.)

      I also tend to see beauty where others do not and that ability has grown with every effort I make to smash the doors of my own perceptions. :)) Appreciating unconventional beauty is thus part of my quest to evolve. Surfaces do not interest me much, either; in the past I dated a gorgeous person who happens to have a couple missing limbs. (See Ted Browning's "Freaks" for a glimpse into the weirdly beautiful.)

      Q: How do you experience the appreciation of beauty? This is what I was trying ask earlier. When my senses swell with appreciation for the beautiful, there is also a rush of feelings, an 'up-welling' that sends warm shivers all through my being. It's almost a religious high; sometimes it creates a sensation of 'connective tissue' between myself and the beautiful object. (This sensation is very hard for me to explain.)

      Mr. Hyde

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    3. I can't say that a beautiful object has ever evoked such a powerful emotional response in me. But certain things, which strike me as truly beautiful, can move me to tears, because they relate to sacrificial love, which I believe is the highest manifestation of truth than man can express. Unfortunately, the flickers are brief and dim, and a smoldering wick is easy to snuff.

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    4. I agree that sacrificial love is most rare and beautiful.

      You are a very wise person. I would bet that you're a lot of fun to hang out with. I like the way your smoldering wick flickers.

      Mr. Hyde


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  5. Taoism is the best philosphy to follow IF your mind can get a handle on it.
    Don't impose your will on anything. Go with the flow. When you try to force
    things (Pushing the river) you set yourself up for misery. So how do you get a
    handle on evil. You see that there is a more effective way, then the REACTIVE
    way. It's NOT the event, but your response to the event. That's way Asians are
    thought to be inscrutible and cold: they see REACTIVE emotion as undignified
    and wasteful. Tell that to Donald Trump.
    The only thing you can do about ignorance and evil is to raise above them.
    I knew a man who was diagnoised with Cancer. He beat the cancer by jettisoning his idenity. He left his job. He "coldly" left his wife. He "dropped"
    his prior idenity, and began his life from scratch. The cancer left as well.

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    1. Imagine you are helping out on a farm.

      There is a bull who is suffering greatly from constipation. The vet has prescribed a strong laxative.
      You administer the medicine rectally....and realise you have dropped the ring your father gave you on his death bed.

      As you bend over to look for it, you hear that ominous rumble emanating from deep inside the belly of the beast.

      Your limbs seem frozen as you prepare for the inevitable and your brain forms one final thought before the deluge of bullshit hits, "Oh shit!!"

      Reading your ramblings is about as close as one can get to the experience, without involving actual bovines :)

      Kat

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    2. There are a couple of points there, though. Doing things that make you miserable is no good for your health. Do things you like doing.

      Shams of Tabriz says "Don't go with the flow. Be the flow." and "Blessing is excess, always ask for more."

      Good and evil in the Tao - I haven't read near enough to comment validly.

      "In Taoism, everything has it own course of nature: those who follow their own courses of nature or Tao will become good; those who don't will become evil. "

      "Good" and "Evil" are labels, not absolutes. I think it's sufficient to say "Those who follow their own courses of nature will be *satisfied*"

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  6. Love is an emotion just like happiness, sadness, anger and the like. Like any emotion it's okay to feel them, but you should always think before you do something stupid over it.

    If whoring stops a disappointed lover from doing something stupid (i.e. revenge, suicide, drunk dials, staking) then by all means get your ass to Vegas and bust to the white dust. You'll be doing yourself and the rest of the world a huge favor.

    I don't see anything wrong or particularly anti-social about this position.

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    1. You don't see anything "wrong" with whoring yourself so as to prevent someone else from doing something stupid with their lives?

      Is "self-respect" not a part of your vocabulary, or did I misunderstand what you wrote?

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    2. If, by contrast, you meant that you see nothing "wrong" with someone whoring themselves to numb, repress or otherwise counter feelings of loss or desperation, then I am afraid your logic is equally flawed.

      I doubt it would ever occur to most sociopathic or "anti-social" individuals to abandon their self-respect so as to wallow in a self-destructive victim mentality driven by desperation, which is essentially the scenario you've described.

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    3. Hmm...have to disagree with you here.

      I see what he was saying as there not being anything wrong with saying "Fuck it!" and going out to party for the weekend.
      Have some fun, rather than stalking, drunk dialing and generally making an unbearably annoying, miserable twat out of yourself to friends, family and ex.

      "whoring themselves to numb, repress or otherwise counter feelings of loss or desperation"

      You consider a wild weekend whoring yourself?
      He never said anything about doing it long term, so how is it abandoning their self respect and wallowing in victim mentality?
      I just don't get it.

      Unless it is the only way that he can live with himself, I see no problem with it. It's just blowing off steam.

      Many people have trouble dealing with the huge surge of emotion post break-up. They might not be overcome with loss or desperation. They might be overcome with anger.

      I know that I used to drink to help calm huge rages. Have a few drinks and try not to think about it, until I can think more rationally. It helped me avoid doing something rather stupid, such as assaulting the other person or worse, many a time...
      Now I learned far better coping mechanisms, such as "cobra-ing", going for a run or pounding the hell out of a punching bag, before talking it through with my husband. He knows lots of ways to calm me ;)
      But that's not the point here.

      I'd love it if you would clarify your points for me.

      Kat

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    4. Hey Kat,

      I'd be happy to.

      A weekend to blow off steam is one thing, heading to Vegas in order to start a whole new life as a coke-addled prostitute because you're devastated over a break-up is quite another.

      I still smoke pot on occasion to assuage my anger. It may not be the healthiest way to ease chronic boredom or calm a rage- but it is a far cry from becoming a meth addict, or a degenerate drunk stumbling around in her own vomit.

      I guess a clarification is indeed required. Most people who behave this way over the long term, and to an unhealthy extreme, are trying to numb emotional pain- or so I have been told.

      I cannot relate. I flirt with substance "abuse"- but only with a gentle herb that is less toxic than alcohol or even tobacco- and certainly the vast majority of pharmaceuticals. And I do so for different reasons; namely, to take the edge off my anger, or to alleviate boredom.

      Certainly, I can understand "vacationing in filth" to shake off a particularly irritating incident- but never to the point of abandoning any vestige of self-respect, which is the route most hardcore addicts take. When the poster mentioned "whoring", it is this type of specimen that came to mind, but I could have misinterpreted the comment, as it was not especially clear.

      That said, perhaps the two are not so divergent, after all. Both constitute psychologically maladaptive coping mechanisms which address emotional problems: the one, to ease desperation and despondency, the other, to relieve chronic boredom and attenuate anger.

      I tend to be more contemptuous of folks who cannot shake themselves off and get it together, but those who find themselves on the business end of my "anger issue" might well deride me for a lack of self-control and inability to exercise restraint in the heat of the moment. Admittedly, their sentiment would not be entirely amiss; my shit stinks as much as the next person's.

      Just as it is healthier to beat the crap out of a punching bag than to smoke pot to deal with an emotional deficiency, it is better to smoke pot than to prostitute oneself in Vegas for coke and cuddles.

      I think that antisocial types tend to resort to less extreme measures because the nature of their "emotional baggage" is different (anger and boredom as opposed to depression and despondency), and tempered by shallow affect in general. I suspect they are also more focused on maintaining their self-respect, but that is my own anecdotal assessment, as opposed to an opinion based upon fact.

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    5. You pretty much nailed it Kat.

      I don't actually pay whores, but short term flings are much better than long term commitments. You date a woman and when things get too serious you back away and date another. Go from lady to lady keeping it light and casual. When a lady gets tired of it or wigs out too hard you let her go and find someone else to replace her in the circle. That way you get to own your life and still have sex whenever you want.

      I don't see how this relates to wallowing or a lack of self respect.

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    6. I see. Of course you don't. You're a man.

      I'm a woman. If you think about it, I'm sure you'll agree that for us, going to Vegas to whore ourselves for coke has vastly different connotations. :)

      I understand the appeal of the lifestyle you describe. But ugh! Have you ever spent time with a desperate cokewhore? If you had, you might understand how such behavior relates to wallowing and a lack of self-respect.

      And that's probably what you'll be tapping if you "get your ass to Vegas and bust to the white dust" for too long, Don Juan xD

      But hey. Whatever floats your boat. :P

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  8. When I said "bust to the white dust" I was suggesting you cum until all that's left is white dust. That wasn't a cocaine reference. I don't use and being around women that do can be annoying as hell, especially if they want to argue,

    The only thing more annoying and destructive than hard drugs is monogamy.

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    Hello My name is Kathie Sherine, Am from USA, Texas. and I am very happy for posting on this blog on how a great spell caster helped me in bringing back the love of my life. I know there are lots of women like me out there who have done so much to have back their Husband, I am here to tell you all to search no further because the answer is right here. I sincerely believe if there are up to five spell casters like Dr Eboehi this world would be a better place, I have seen people complaining on how fake spell castes promised to help them but couldn't but with Dr Eboehi I tell you your problem is solved already. My Husband and I had been apart for 3 YEARS and I couldn't bear without living without him, I have tried everything to have him back but nothing was working until I saw numerous testimonies about a spell caster called Dr Eboehi and how great his work is. I contacted him via email (eboehispellcaster@yahoo.com) immediately and follow the step that he ask and in the next 48 hours my lover called me and was eager for my forgiveness and that he wished nothing more than to have me in his arms forever. I filled so much joy and happiness that I found Dr Eboehi, I hope you all here will find this testimony of mine and get your husband back in just 48 hours thanks... contact his email: eboehispellcaster@yahoo.com or call (208) 627-4749

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  20. Hello everyone out here, am here to tell the world how a spell caster brought my husband back Home, i never thought that spell casters are real, until my husband left me. My name is Serena Williams, i work and live in UK, i got married to my husband 12 years ago, we have 3 kid together, we never have any misunderstanding all this years we lived happily,but all of a sudden he changed and started treating my kids and i very bad, later he stooped coming home, he dose not come home at least month, this really bothered me.

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  21. HOW I WAS SAVED FROM A COLLAPSING RELATIONSHIP BY DR ERIVAN DEB THE GREAT SPELL CASTER

    My Name is Alisha ken from USA, I want to say thank you to Dr Erivan Deb for the good thing he has done for me,Though am not sure if this is the best forum to show my joy and happiness for what he has done for me but i can't hide my happiness and my Joy so i have to share it with people, my marriage got crashed about two years ago and i tried all i could within my power but to no avail. i saw post and testimonial about the good things Dr Erivan Deb has been doing so i decided to give it a try. though he is always a busy man but when he responded back to my email, he gave me 48 hours for my marriage to be restored really just like he said my marriage was restored since then I am happy and i am living happily i am so grateful to Dr Erivan Deb you can always email him here: {erivanspellhome@yahoo.com} or {http://erivanspellhome.bravesites.com} or call us now +2348187568820...

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