Love it! Don't know how many times I've tried to explain to my ex-husband that humility is sexy because no one wants to be around the guy that can't talk about anything other than how awesome he is.Don't know if I'd really consider that to be a sociopathic quality as much as a good rule of thumb for humanity in general, but I still love it all the same.
I think that people who talk about themselves nonstop are just boring. And I really believe this increases stupidity. When you talk nonstop you cease to learn or take in anything around you. You learn with your ears, not with your mouth.MelissaR
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i do wonder why there is an obsession with modesty to be honest.i understand big-headedness can be unattractive, but why?
People often find those with an air of modesty to be more stable and trustworthy.
Modesty is often used to fish for compliments.
To which, you can act even more modest, as if the compliments annoy you because you were just doing your job, or the right thing to do. Makes them gush even more. Works like a charm.
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god socios must see the credulity of others as hilarious and infantile.i do outright honesty about my strengths to total self-deprecation. it's totally inconsistent, but the fact i can be genuinely modest means i happily bypass false modesty at times. balance. (that last bit was so david brent).
Self-deprecation, although entertaining, is pathetic. You can't take someone serious nor hold them in any level of esteem if they can't themselves. They sure as hell don't deserve it.
scuse me but i clearly misrepresented myself there. i don't mean undervalueing myself, i actually meant to say that i'm honest about my weaknesses.there is nothing pathetic about that.
So long as you don't proactively present them.
hmm...that's a tough one. i am by nature a very proactive person. verbal diarrhea syndrome.However, very bizarrely for me, i'm pretty measured when there's something at stake, say, a new relationship. it's usually only when i'm not overly bothered about a person that i present myself pretty openly. i'm an extrovert and feed off people's energy, so i let loose.but you're not wrong that when it matters, i am contained. the only thing is, unlike you, i don't always consider the reality of reputation, and that word gets around, possibly to the person who's opinion i value. i don't calculate every single move. i also do expect that those who mind, don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
I wish I could say that every action of influence was calculated, but it's not. I'd probably be a lot better off if I were.
If wishes were horses, you'd get a lot more action.~
Bad Image.BAD IMAGE!
I just want to say that my word verification right now is "reasehor".True story. That is all.
On the note of modesty...Take a look at this: An incarcerated subject in a study of psychopathy, who scored high on the Psychopathy Check List was by the interviewer given this remark: "One of the most striking features of his personality is his grandiosity", and he goes on using phrases like "dramatic", "inflated", and "pompous". This is exemplified by a statement made by the subject, which goes like this:"I'm always being told by others how great I am and how there's nothing I can't do--sometimes I think they're just shitting me, but a man's got to believe in himself, right? When I check myself out, I like what I see."Those words could've been mine, in fact I've said things like that regularly (when it was appropriate according to the situation).Now the reason the assessors think the subject is not entitled to think well of himself seems to be that he has a somewhat serious crime record, including (okay, let me just list it all here..): "traffic violations, assault, rape, theft, fraud, unlawful confinement, pimping, and attempted murder."I've not raped and have not unlawfully confined a living person, but I have other details on my record that are "more serious" than his(1*).So if the statement made by this subject is a clear sign of grandiosity, then how would a healthy way of looking at yourself be? Do people suppose he would be healthier if he hated himself and kept beating himself up over mistakes he'd done? Isn't exactly the supposed healthy approach towards yourself to look at yourself positively, to believe in yourself and not lose confidence in yourself?It seems to me that the interpretation of the above statement as being 'grandiose' is the official representation of what is in the interest of main stream society, not of what's in the interest of the human psyche per se. And the common understanding of what is seen as 'positive' and healthy in a person's self esteem do not apply to criminals and individuals who don't comply to common morals in the same society. If I am right about this, we're no longer talking 'Psychology', 'Psychiatry', and 'Neuro-psychology' research, but research about how to enforce control over individuals in the population. ...'Control', another word commonly used (negatively) about psychopaths/sociopaths.I wish a few more (clinical) psychologists and others who work in the field with a common or special interest in psychopathy (sociopathy, Antisocial Personality Disorder, etc.) would participate in the debate here, at a commoner's blog attented by common people, a little more. After all, it is (also) here, among commoners, the "reality" that you study takes place.Perhaps they refrain because of the lack of scientific basis in M.E.'s texts. But surely couldn't be negative to try and influence things a bit and get a little more "realistic" input? After all, this blog is not frequented only by self proclaimed sociopaths, but by a good deal of people who want to learn more about what a sociopath really is - often motivated by painful experiences in their own lives.(1*) - ...and I've payed my debt to society, so there's no idea in making a case of tracking me down. You'll be wasting your time ... again! - It's all in the past, and I'm not a psychopath ... or to those who keep insisting that I am: I'm past the age of 40, so my crimes are over and done with, in fact I've turned absolutely law abiding, so I wouldn't re-offend at this point anyway ... I'm merely stating the above to exemplify how what people say can be turned around and basically misunderstood.
What I hear you saying is you wish more clinical or mental health professionals would make posts on this blog that support your point of view or opinion in order to validate your beliefs.MelissaR
It would be nice to get the medicalised point of view, regardless of their stance regarding the conditions discussed-its nice for the poachers to have some insight into the game keepers.
Modesty is a tool. You show your strengths as weaknesses that way people attack you at your strong point instead of probing for a opportunity. The more you boast the weaker you become. Its better to show people through action so that other people sing your praises.
i see there's a general gang up on notable.it's like being in the school yard.speaking of which, my brother had three piranhas. he woke up one morning and there were two.i warned him. he set free the remaining two in the local river.i was happy. :)
(continued...)To the few such people (psychologists, i.e.) who have commented, I haven't overlooked this and I, as a fellow reader, appreciate your inputs. The same goes for the few who have posted critique - it helps putting things into perspective, perspective being one of the things that lacks in the official discussion of this subject in general, but that can't be helped given the subject's nature.One of the things I loath most of all in the "official educated research" is the "us" and "them" mentality, the "we study them but don't give them any information! Don't let them know anything if you can help it!". And yet you want us to trust you!When you don't take advantage of a rare opportunity to discuss and debate with people of all kinds of personalities, on a very base plane right here, in this blog, I find it hard to truly believe in your "common well" motives.And yes, I know that was an "anti-social" statement. But what you don't know, is that I have some very good, very clearly defined and logical reasons for having arrived at this conclusion. Will I yet live to see the day when someone attempts to close the gap between "me" and "you, society's persona grata"?But then again, why would you? It serves a "good" purpose to keep us whre we are. And poor M.E. has provided a great platform for us to prove your point that we're "wrong" and should be "treated" out of existence.
Insightful post, Zhawq. Nothing to add.Although:"traffic violations, assault, rape, theft, fraud, unlawful confinement, pimping, and attempted murder."I've not raped and have not unlawfully confined a living personSo by deduction, you've assaulted, thieved, defrauded, pimped, and attempted murder.Impressive.And I think Ukan is SociopathWorld's resident Robert Greene.And notme, it's not a gang up on TNP, it's a gang up on stupidity. In general.
Zhawq, i liked your post.that's all i'll say for now.
UKan:"Modesty is a tool."Ah, yes. That was what I initially was going to write. :)
I enjoyed what you had to say zhawq. I relate to it. People tell you how great you are. Sometimes so much it gets to your head. When I go to my place of businesss I tire of it. What vexes me the most is the fact that the people who I see at such places had the opportunity to make it further with the educational advantages they have over me, yet they are weaker and more ignorant than I am. I can't spell worth shit, and my grammar is terrible, however in the scheme of things these people fall for every trap I lay down. I told my bodyguard yesterday that it means nothing to me that such people hold me in revernance. It is like being lord of the flies. However, I know even flies can lead you to the feast, so I try not to get to negative reguardless if the people minding me seem pathetic from my point of view.
You know Zhawq, in spite of everything you said all those anti-social creatures really are vastly outnumbered. (When you think about it). That's a lot of trust....
My ex is a useless tool.
My ex HAD a useless tool.MelissaR
To which, you can act even more modest, as if the compliments annoy you because you were just doing your job, or the right thing to do. Makes them gush even more. Works like a charm.Yeah, then you don't see that they are going to take advantage of you, thats why they gush even more.
Anonymous said...Yeah, then you don't see that they are going to take advantage of you, thats why they gush even more.Pronoun cluster-fuck much?
Anonymous said...Yeah, then you don't see that they are going to take advantage of you, thats why they gush even more.Pronoun cluster-fuck much?Nit Picking Monkey?
It's funny when the anonymous posters attack each other.
Anonymous said...Nit Picking Monkey?Erect-standing, English-speaking Homo Sapiens. You?
I've got 50 on the monkey with a proper grasp on grammar.
Erect-standing, pronoun cluster-fucking Homo Sapien.
I got a perfect score on my standardized grammar test. If anyone's interested.
Whats realy entertaining is when anonymous posters attack you PS.And it is funny how you always think they might be UKan.
I am a grammar-nazi wannabe.
a shit flinging monkey here..
I think the last time that happened was months ago, Anon two up. And, to be fair, some of them were.Now I just assume that Anons are raccoons until they prove otherwise.
Er... make that three up, now, or four up from here. Another anon showed up.
I got a perfect score on my standardized grammar test. If anyone's interested.I'm sure your parents were proud, or maybe they weren't interested either.
Anonymous said...I'm sure your parents were proud, or maybe they weren't interested either.My dad might have been if hadn't been busy doing you mom.
Ohhhhhhhhh very ohhhhhhh good anon, Ohhhhhh ,oh god.
Are you flirting, anon?
I think you enjoyed it more than I did, given your apparent orgasm.
Something has to be bringing me back to this site. Grammar it ain't.
yes. it's the fucking monkeys.
This is turning me on.
Ohhhhhhh yeeeeeees that mmmmmmmight ohhhhh beeeeeee why mmmmmmmm?
go rub one off
I'll have to rub one off because you forgot to buy batteries for our vibrator, again.
Another string of letters and I won't need batteries.
Quit typing and bring those fingers to bed.
That's it? You were just getting warmed up.
This is tripping my gag reflex.
Here, use my numbing cream.
Good thing I just bought a bag of Fritos.
i might as well use your numbing creame. i've been using your toothbrush (to clean the toilet)
Uggggh. (As in, aaaah.)You just tripped my gag reflex.(No one wants to know my word verification.)
Night Aerianne. Has the deviance normalized too much for you already?
I poked pin holes in your dental dam and mixed cum into the butter spread.
Who said Anon's are boring?
I say this is a 3 on the 1-10 SW humor scale.
anyone have time to humor Aerianne and Medusa?
If this is a 3, what's a 5? Or an 8?
1 is to 10 as muppets are to Muppets.
Well, how easily do you get off, Aerianne?
It took this many posts to discover the true charm of the sociopath.
Well, how easily do you get off, Aerianne?That got her off real quick....lol
Spank me, I've been naughty.
Spank the monkey.
I thought the anon's were off to bed, otherwise I would have kept up my encouragement. Just imagining what amuses you.
What amuses me depends on how I feel.(imagine that)
If you find yourself having trouble falling asleep, feel free to provide examples.have to say, I'm giving this a 6.
Modesty is a tool. You show your strengths as weaknesses that way people attack you at your strong point instead of probing for a opportunity. The more you boast the weaker you become. Its better to show people through action so that other people sing your praises.Pretty sound advice that I've been milking for the last year or so, to the pleasure of my bank account.I do actually get annoyed by it sometimes, though. The praise and such. Do you? It's like, I get it, you see me as this great person. Now piss off, already! I've got shit to do.
UKan:"People tell you how great you are ... I tire of it. ... people who ... had the opportunity to make it further with the educational advantages they have over me, yet they are weaker and more ignorant than I am ... It is like being lord of the flies. However, I know even flies can lead you to the feast, so I try not to get to negative reguardless if the people minding me seem pathetic from my point of view."I see what you see.Anon 8:51pm:"all those anti-social creatures really are vastly outnumbered. ... That's a lot of trust...."Not sure I understand.The masses being bred to not understand, to be too fearful to break down the walls between themselves and those who have the resources and the knowledge, doesn't have anything to with real trust.The stupid, the ignorant, and the weakly compliant, have always been vastly outnumbering the intelligent and the brilliant. And now that we're into using words like "creatures": There's no honor in being just another "sheep"!TNP:"I do actually get annoyed by it sometimes, though. ... Do you?"Yes, often. Also, when people fear me and I don't want them to, that can be annoying like hell. It's like, "Hey, I'm not going to harm you!, I just told you so and showed you with my mannerism that I'm friendly towards you, so why don't you chill so we can get on with things!?" It's as if they can't understand that as long as they don't give you any reason to hurt them, why then obviously you won't! - It's that 'feeling' versus 'logic' thing again. As much as we would like to, we can't always control or influence people with logic and charm. Once they have a certain idea that you CAN hurt them, and if they know you HAVE been known to hurt someone, it dominates their feelings and their feelings dominate their ability to function.Ps. Medusa, I have never 'attempted' to kill anyone, I should've enclosed it in the list. :)
People take time to overcome their fear. I spent the past several months learning how to alleviate that. This paticular person never was right on her count, but was always only short to the point where it would just be a portion of their take that was missing. It was never over the amount she would be payed, but she liked to give her friends discounts. The problem was she was friends with all of her fucking clients, and she had a lot of them. This made her a good earner, but she would upset the market. When she worked for my friend she caused so much damage to it she literally cut my pay in half from being so friendly. She caused me to drive my friend out of the business forever. I took his earner and she was scared all the time. At first I used it to keep her from doing anymore harm. She thought she was being nice, however her fucking generosity had done enough damage. I told her that her so called friends were worthless if they expect her to risk her life to give them discounts. I told her to watch how they will react when she tells them she's under new management and can't cut them breaks anymore. As weeks went by she lost a lot of friends, but made a lot more money. She became my top earner. Since she was scared of me I had my girlfriend do the count for her. Everytime I do it I must look at her crazy, because when I ask her questions she starts panicking. My girlfriend said that when I ask people questions it feels like a interrogation. She is very polite and classy, everybody likes her. So when she does the count it allowed me to come up with more ideas on how to manage her, because I could watch their interaction instead of being in the middle of it. After several months she actually thinks I'm a great guy. She smoothed over that situation of me hitting that girl that fucked up my deal that I mentioned in a earlier comment. She told everyone she had it coming. Yesterday she bought my girlfriend a cashmere sweater.The point is if you have gotten to the point where someones fear is in the way of you gaining their loyalty through them loving you, then put someone else in charge of them that manages completely the opposite than you do. The fear is already there, but when you add their love towards their overall loyalty it is intoxicating for them.
I think if you've been around it long enough you know how to handle it. That's what seperates you. I'm sure its refreshing for the mean business man to have someone unafraid.
That must give you some satisfaction
Also, when people fear me and I don't want them to, that can be annoying like hell. It's like, "Hey, I'm not going to harm you!, I just told you so and showed you with my mannerism that I'm friendly towards you, so why don't you chill so we can get on with things!?" Indeed! I've got a bit of a situation like that with which I am trying to remedy, and since it is work related, the importance factor is high....because when I ask her questions she starts panicking. My girlfriend said that when I ask people questions it feels like a interrogation.I get this a lot with people that I don't particularly care for. I guess when I want to know something and don't care to 'play it smooth', I come off as aggressive, to the point, and a bit of a bastard.
Big difference between to the point and bastard. Big difference. Are you running a business or teaching kindergarten? The real question is, what management style are these people accustomed to?Zeno
TNP:Or perhaps you are bored at work? You can be nasty when you get bored on the site, so hell knows what you're like with them. Let me guess, you are forced to wear the mask of the charmer while trying not to unmask your blood lust. Z
Now you're being modest, aerianne.
more fortune cookies please... love it. :)
humility *2= pittyplay
I seriously doubt that anyone here took my advice to read the report on M.E. on www.thereadingroom.com. that I commisioned.(It's in the "Never ending newsletter 2013" section of the blog)I'll be very brief because I know the attention span of sociopathsis extremely limited. I'm just giving you another tool you can exploit.There is a method to discern a person's true personality called"lexigramming." In order to do this, you take a person's name, andrearringe the letters to construct sentences. In this way you canfind out what a person is "made of." Many things can be determined,including the person's secret motivations. As an example, takeBernard Madoff. You can arrainge the letters in his name aroundand find that he "made off" with lots of loot. (I don't know his entirename. The more you know, obviously the more you can use.)Now, in M.E.'s case, she CHOSE the name M.E. Thomas. I asked theMaster Numerolgist if she thought that M.E. was a true sociopath.She pointed out that "ME" has obvious connotations, and the words"me hot" can be constructed from M.E. Thomas. M.E. adopted this as her pen name. Was she consciously aware of thelexigram "me hot" in her name? Probably not.A mystical dectetive can determine whether M.E. is an actual sociopath. For example, there is a single website page with a blackback round promoting SociopathWorld.com. It makes no mention ofM.E.'s name. It actually seems more in the "Love Fraud" vein.If you'll go to the above website I mentioned, and read the full report(Which would well cost $100.00 or more, if the gracious woman hadnot provided it for free) you will see why she and I DO NOT regardM.E. as a true sociopath. She is most likely a narcassist as many herehave theorized. In any case, she is a real charmer, that's why I alwaysreturn to this site.
Hey jack off, leave it up to the SCIENTISTS to determine if she is a sociopath or not.
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anonymous troll...Only a nut (Mr. Solo) Loyal moron. Nuts! Sly moron. Aunt Lo?:)
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