Friday, January 3, 2014

Slip-ups

I thought this was an interesting recent comment about the ways that sociopaths can slip-up:

There are a few ways the sociopath can blow it. 

1) He doesn't anticipate the disgust. E.g. an American in Thailand might pat a kid on the head. Similarly, I might remark to a mother/daughter pair, "it is amazing to think that she came out of you," because I just don't have the same feelings about things. Observers think, "the sociopath is disgusting."

2) He acts charming to get something. Then he takes it, impulsively, when the opportunity appears. Feelings of betrayal and hatred arise in the victim and observers, because the victim thinks, "he could & should have kept doing what I liked. He shouldn't have betrayed me." If you asked the sociopath why he deceived, he might say, "I gave the person what he wanted. Later, I saw an opportunity to take what I wanted, and I did."

3) The sociopath gets irritated by a person. There's stimulus -> rage -> plotting/scheming. The sociopath mostly thinks. He doesn't experience his feelings much. His response is to "act" either by doing something or thinking about what to do; it isn't to experience the feelings, question the feelings, question the assessment of the situation that led to the feelings. The sociopath might build weapons (or the equivalent) and stash them, anticipating a conflict; that's a way to "let off steam" by taking action. 

Finally, in response to a trigger, the sociopath lashes out and executes a plan, perhaps using preplanned elements. Outside observers see the sociopath as being impulsive, vicious, premeditated and overreacting. 

Feelings of horror or fear arise in observers and they decide the sociopath is very frightening, extreme and beyond redemption. It doesn't help that when they interview the sociopath after the stuff, he'll probably sound quite unemotional; observers will translate that into, "he not human."

Sound familiar?

124 comments:

  1. 1- I am the first one today.

    2- A lot of spinning and mind reading, someone is too locked up in his/her own world, or got too hurt by a socio-type person in the past. I can’t figure it out!

    3- Love, an ordinary night owl

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    1. Correction:

      -At number 2, I was referring to the writer of the main post. I think her last major life excitement was when she met a socio- a bad guy- in the chat room.

      Suggestion:

      -Get a life!

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    2. In regards to the article on sociopaths slipping up; my boyfriend and i both possess traits. I'd more likely be the one plotting, meanwhile he is the one who is impulsive and lacks experiencing feelings much, while i experience them a little better. (Or at least can formulate them into words sometimes.)
      The last scenario sounds dramatic in the sense there was witnesses (likely friends of the girlfriend) who has probably told all her friends how bad the boyfriend of hers is.
      Who are these observers mentioned if not friends of one of the parties?
      It's also an extreme situation if he build melee weapons anticipating a conflict. Are they sure it wasn't for some hyped zombie apocalypse?

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  2. What all the cluster B personality disorders have in common is
    narcassim. Whether it's Borderline, N.P.D. Aspergers, Sociopathy,
    and Psychopathy, the root cause is narcassim.
    These folks believe they are the center of the world. Therefore,
    "the world" must do their budding.
    Every Psychopath, from Adolph Hitler to Lucifer, Son of the morning,
    places His needs FIRST.
    As Dante has Satan say: "Better to RULE in Hell, then serve in Heaven."

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    1. It's hard to take you seriously when you cannot spell correctly or cite your sources. We think we are the center of the world? Buddy you are obviously stating some bigoted opinion rather than facts--and a far-fetched one at that. I am a sociopath but in no way do I believe I am "the center of the world". Obviously the center of the world, or the core, is very hot and most likely not a carbon-based life form. Clean up your act and find a way to articulately convey your thoughts and *opinions* before you come barging in and shoving your crap down our throats. I may be better than some at certain things, but I know I am not better than all at everything; that is basic reasoning. The thing is, sociopaths just happen to be good at many things. That is not narcissism, it's just recognition.

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    2. @311-
      spelling issues not withstanding, I agree with 159. As for you 311, I suspect your degree of literal thinking puts you somewhere on the autistic spectrum.

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    3. Your take seems limiting, do not forget that the sociopathic and the psychopathic have done much for the marching advance of humanity-whether is is as a reactive force (as in HITLER) or as agent of social advancement one cannot make such broad comments un questioned. If you had your way we would still be living in the yoke of feudalism and in the shadow of an oppressive theocracy like the Islamic nations-(I wont bother making the argument that what will advance Islam is sociopathy-but clearly the advance of questioning and modern technology can be seen as conduits to creative sociopathy and a taste for freedom.!

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    4. Hi 159, machemp and dr ginger. Please google this

      "you all misunderstand borderline personality datalounge"

      I know it is not a scientific article, but I would really like to hear what yyou think.

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    5. Anonymous,
      I read the article, and I have to agree that bpd is a lot of times the opposite of narcissism. It’s interesting though how someone with bpd will come off as narcissistic though. I don’t get too hung up on the narcissism craze because right now everything is being attributed to narcissism. People with bpd can be very sensitive and very empathetic, but how it is processed is different than in the so called “normal” brain. People with bpd tend to have empathy towards larger, more general things, and less empathy towards those in their personal life. I will give you an example of someone that I worked with who had bpd. He was married, and had four children. He met another woman, and very impulsively ended his marriage with his wife, and left her in a very serious emotional and financial bind. She was unable to support the kids, and for awhile he didn’t provide any of them with money. On the other hand, he had extreme empathy towards animals, and refused to eat bacon because of a video of a pig slaughter that he had seen. Also, one day while at petsmart, he had such extreme empathy for the gold fish, that he purchased every single one to set them all free. In the article it says, “What is going on in a Borderline Personality Disorder sufferer's mind and how they are acting can be two entirely different things”. I talk about this a lot with bpd sufferers and family members. It’s very important that others understand what is going on. From the perspective of the person with bpd they perceive themselves as being under attack and being criticized. They become very upset with those around them, and behave in an angry, aggressive manner, which would be a perfectly appropriate psychological response if what they were perceiving is really what was happening. Unfortunately, oftentimes what they are perceiving isn’t real, and they come off as very abusive. I’m not sure how this occurred, but in many books and internet articles, and within various internet communities, narcissism has become synonymous with abuse. I find this very interesting because in all honesty a narcissist doesn’t hold a candle to a person with bpd in the abuse department.

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    6. Thank you, Dr ginger.

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    7. I thought it was interesting where they say "I am an evil person, and I need to be punished for it". Borderline is a dark disorder. It's a REALY dark disorder. They regularly have very dark, negative thoughts, and frequently fantasize about violence. Even though a lot of times their behavior is relatively normal, they frequently feel like they are bad people because of these types of thoughts. I had one borderline express to me that she believed she was like Jodi Arias. I think it's important that people distinguish between thoughts and behaviors. As long as that thought is never turned in to an action, then they aren't bad people.

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    8. That quote is from Milton's Satan, not Dante's.

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    9. My take on the article is that a very vulnerable self is constantly defending itself from perceived attack. While the grandiosity of the narcissist is unlikely to be present (although may appear in a transient fashion), the net effect of constantly perceiving threat that must be defended against yields similar behavior patterns. To be on the receiving end of either BPD or narcissistic rage is quite unpleasant. Internally, the motivations are different. Externally, many behaviors overlap.

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    10. That sounds very, very true Machemp.

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    11. If you see fangs and nails growing on yourself from time to time you can imagine doing a murder.

      What do you think arias is, Dr Ginger? a borderline histrionic ? A psychopath?

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    12. Do they feel sorry for themselves, Dr Ginger?


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    13. The first time I heard about Arias was through a friend of mine who is a criminal defense attorney. I started reading about her, and didn't think any of the behaviors being described sounded like bpd. I was really surprised that there were so many articles saying she had borderline personality disorder, and even hearing professionals say she had it. None of her behaviors were borderline. Borderline violence tends to happen during episodes. Her episode would have worn off by the time she got to Arizona. I know a lot of the people in the borderline communities were really upset because they feel like these things perpetuate stigma, but a lot of them still thought she really had bpd. I'm not convinced. There's still an issue of gender bias and stereotyping, and a lot of sociopathic women will receive the bpd diagnosis, and men with bpd will receive the aspd diagnosis. Unless a clinician is thorough, does a thorough interview, administers a number of psychological tests, etc, it's easy to misdiagnose someone unfortunately.

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    14. The psychopathic nervous system (with which I most self identify) has been shut off from human intimacy for such a long time that it perceives any human closeness as assault-it feels alien, uncomfortable and treacherously unwarranted. Its immediate response is blind rage (in my case),, and as such nervous systems are very intractable to pain, pleasure or pleading, the chance of ameliorating such characters would require the far shores of radical science fiction treatments-psychology itself is simply not applicable.

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  3. Suspect there is also an almost chemical response from the empath to the sociopath. The empath must always see themselves on some scale or hierarchy of emotion that dont exist for this sociopath. The empath must always try and defeat or suss out the sociopath, which seems a dullards quest, as the very thing they seek is the very thing we do not posses, or at least have little or no control over.If the empaths game is to see themselves in others the sociopaths is to never really fully access their own natures-as a result being human for the sociopath is always a case of arbitrary moves and guess work, attempting to pass as human in a world that is constructed like a vicious obstacle course.

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  4. “I to my perils
    Of cheat and charmer
    Came clad in armour
    By stars benign.
    Hope lies to mortals
    And most believe her,
    But man's deceiver
    Was never mine.

    The thoughts of others
    Were light and fleeting,
    Of lovers' meeting
    Or luck or fame.
    Mine were of trouble,
    And mine were steady;
    So I was ready
    When trouble came.”
    ― A.E. Housman, A Shropshire Lad

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  5. Don't they say that life is a give and take? I give, so I can take what I want. Everyone does it, they just don't like to admit it. Society has a pretty great problem with what is different, so let's publicly shame whoever we want. The problem is that, because they don't like to admit to the darkness, they judge because, we may take you for everything you have, but at least we are honest about who we are. It's like the saying 'The Devils plan may be harsh, but at least he is honest about them.'

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  6. And in your days of gladness bear in mind
    The unknown evil (memories replaying) forging on behind!
    http://www.self-i-dentity-through-hooponopono.com/article9.htm

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  7. Slip up? At what? Blow it? How? I don't get it.

    If you insult someone, they'll think you're a douchebag (and you would be).

    If you steal from someone, you're a thief.

    If you get irritated? Wtf? We all get irritated.

    Triggers? Everyone is responsible for their own actions; triggers are a justifications.

    I don't see anything here that is not a typical response to bad behavior...sociopathic or not.

    MelissaR

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    1. Sociopaths are impulsive. I will impulsively grab a woman's ass. I will catch myself, after the fact. It is a bit like ADHD people interrupting, and only then noticing it (and perhaps apologising).

      Your neck is probably tight right now. You didn't choose to tighten it. If you release it, and think a bit, or get otherwise distracted from keeping your neck quiescent, your neck will probably tighten up a bit. Again, you didn't choose to do this.

      Finally, as you read this message, your brain turns the characters into words, concepts, etc and you have feelings about them. You don't choose to think what the concepts are, nor do you choose your feelings. If you get really upset at the thought that you aren't in control of your own mind (you can't even control the next thought you'll think) and get into a car upset and drive badly, that won't be you choosing to drive badly. You'll be a "victim" of your mind.

      Similarly, when I grab a woman's ass at the wrong time, piss in the sink without realizing it (and disgust my housemates) or am impulsively rough with my girlfriend's cat, the same thing is afoot.

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    2. careful, anon 248-
      Your line of reasoning, if taken to its logical conclusion is that sociopaths have no free will... slaves to destructive impulses and too weak willed to operate on anything but automatic pilot.

      Do you really view yourself as such a weakling?

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    3. Nobody has free will, in the sense of being able to do different things than what we do. That includes me, you and everyone else: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq_tG5UJMs0&t=33m30s

      Right now, you have the mind that you have. You didn't build it - it comes out of a wilderness of prior causes that "you" - the thing reading these words - had nothing to do with.

      Your mind determines what you'll do, what thoughts you'll think, how you'll feel about your circumstances, etc.

      If you, after weeks of deliberation, decide to kill your wife or maim a co-worker, you've got the mind of a criminal and the rest of us would be better off if you were locked up. But "you" - the thing that comprehends these words, looks out of your eye sockets and feels your chest move up and down when you breathe - are more unlucky than you are "bad".

      The conscious intention to do harm is what freaks out normal people - because what one does consciously says the most about his mind.

      At 5 years of age, I was taking weapons to school and using them on other kids. It was conscious, premeditated and clever. According to you I chose to do it. In another sense, I didn't do it freely, in the sense that I didn't choose my genes, shitty parents and the abusive/neglectful experiences I had from 0 to 5 years old.

      If it had been possible to intervene in my life at age 5, 6, 7, etc. that would have been the right thing to do. I doubt you'd say, "this 5-year old is so evil, he doesn't deserve any help being more normal."

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    4. You'd love Sam Harris's "Free Will".

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    5. (which basically agrees with everything you say) It's a smart, quick read. I found it persuasive even though I am a bit more inclined to think that our "destinies" are not predetermined.
      Why? We have the capacity to interact with our own character formation if we have developed our "Observing ego". A concrete example being- a man prone to infidelity avoiding cheating on his wife by not putting himself in a situation where it could "just happen". Avoiding the cheating means avoiding the self justification and externalization of blame that generally accompanies a cheating experience (which people tend to experience as ego syntonic, contrary to popular opinion).

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    6. I agree with Sam Harris (and the Stoics - who thought the same).

      You are making the erroneous conclusion that because there is determinism, we can just throw the oars out of the boat and get the same outcomes. The Stoics had a term for this fallacy - I think it was the "lazy fallacy".

      Indeed, I can just scratch an itch, or I can notice I have an infection, call the doctor and make an appountment. One is less attentive and kess full of volition. Similarly, I can cheat on my wife and say it just happened or do what you said - and it will require my brain to use its prefrontal cortex, imagination, etc.

      In neither case is there free will, nor is their fatalism.

      In the moment where I commit myself , by making it much harder to cheat (eg deleting all social media accounts and buying and eating 10 pints of ice cream so that I get obese, I do it with a mind that I didn't create. Whether or not I succeed in molding my behavior and future brain in a good or bad way, the "I" that I take myself to be only has the resources of right now, which are determined by outside factors in the past.

      Eg take my sexual preferences. Now I like women. I didn't choose that. If I decide to condition myself so that in the future I like men, that's me right now trying to do something. The cognitive resources I have now to try to do it are just what I have, nothing more, and I didn't make them. If I have a flexible sense of self and it is possible, that's not because I made it happen. If I have a lot of persistence and focus, so I get it done, I didn't make that happen. Finally, why do I want to change my preferences anyway? Why don't I just want to watch TV? Because of my mind - which I didn't make.

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    7. This is where our debate becomes less intellectual and more philosophical. I believe that we have both minds and souls. The mind is predetermined, but the soul is a mystery. My belief (and this has nothing to do with logic so feel free to disagree on this- there is something more than logic behind my argument here and that is uncomfortable for me) is that the soul is where free will originates. I could be wrong.

      Perhaps my need to hope that everybody has a spark within them that can only be extinguished by their own choice to let it be is sentimental at best. But it is a belief that has saved me from being a victim for life.

      I have some truly horrific stuff in my past that was done to me. As a preschooler I remember thinking "I don't want to be a person who does these things". My lifelong passion for advocacy and my obsession with understanding why people feel compelled to do horrible things to others is likely the result of some of those early experiences.

      A book that changed my life was Victor Frankl's "Mans Search for Meaning". It begins with an autobiographical retelling of his being separated from his wife (they were very much in love as newlyweds) by the Nazis to two separate concentration camps. He lived and she died. To survive that soul crushing injury without becoming a bitter shell of a man he built his life around the principle that Man's original freedom exists in his choice to respond to suffering. The responses we choose, and not what is done to us ultimately determines our destiny.

      There's no way for me to persuade you on a logical level that Frankl was right. All I can tell you is that living with this principle in the front of my mind has given me a strength to persevere when I didn't think I could. Is the soul real? Is the human spirit real? I can't tell you, but I can tell you that acting on my belief that it is has ultimately been my saving grace.

      Biological determinism is really nihilism when you strip everything away. And if you're a nihilist, I certainly can't fault your thinking- I'm often tempted to give up on the idea of the soul when I see people do incomprehensibly destructive things. But ultimately it doesn't give me what I need to find the strength to get out of bed the next morning. It doesn't give me courage.
      Oh sure- nihilism may feel "brave" the same way saying "fuck you I hope you die" after your heart has been broken. But then what?

      As far as a scientific answer to our question of whether a soul exists apart from the mind I think the jury is still out. There is no conclusive evidence either way. So as I accept that uncertainty, I chose to live believing that we are more than the sum of our genes and past experiences.

      Why? Because despair gets old... and I have a lot of life I'd still like to live.

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    8. If you read "Free Will" again, you'll see that the unconscious operation of a soul , just like the unconscious operation of your brain, or the unconscious operation of your body, eliminates free will the way you are conceiving of it.

      You can't be proud of the good things you did, because you learned from trauma X that it is better to be good. Because if your soul, mind and body are why you choses what you chose, "you" - the conscious you that reads these words, experiences your thoughts and feelings - didn't choose your soul, mind, body, etc. even if you could choose, you'd pick based onthose things.

      eg I go to a cat and give it a magic wish - a bucket of what it wants. the cat chooses a bucket of mice, and thinks, "I like my choice."

      I go to a black guy. he chooses a bucket of fancy sneakers, rope gold jewelry, cellphone and fried chicken. he thinks, "I chose the bestest shit they is."

      i offer the same to a jew. he laughs up his sleeve and takes a bucket filled with gold and thinks, "Chaim Shlomovitz has a yiddishe kopf!"

      Their choices and the way they think about their choices are determined by their minds/souls/brains. There is no free will.

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    9. and yet... there is no scientific proof that there is not free will.
      An important rule of any scientific discipline is to avoid overdetermining one cause for a particular course of action.

      Perhaps in your despair you feel trapped and automaton like- but that is your experience. Likewise, my perception of choice may also be a product of my experience.

      But given the limited nature of BOTH of our experiences, I think its safe to say that neither of us knows for sure what the interface between the mind and soul actually looks like. We are both, in a sense, flying blind.

      So I am content to leave our debate with genuine respect for your nihilism alongside a renewed appreciation for my own capacity to hope that the mystery of what I don't know includes truths that are not solely determined by biology and the prior actions of others.

      I respect your thought process very much even if I ultimately disagree with you.

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    10. "If you don't know what your soul is going to do next, you are not in control of your soul" -- Sam Harris

      You are being lazy and illogical. The fact of determinism is too threatening to you. Very few people can follow the facts of our experience to its logical conclusion.

      I'm trying to be nice to you - because you'll be a lot happier when you know that people who do evil things don't choose to do evil things - just watch the talk at this point (20:43) and do the experiment yourself. Pick your own movie, freely.

      If I ask you to pick a movie (or a bucket of the stuff you really want), your choice will be determined by your soul or your brain or whatever. The "you" that experiences what it is like to be you doesn't get to pick - the picking just happens and it witnesses it.

      If you paid more attention - if only for a few minutes - to how your own thought process works, you'd know that this is the case.

      Most people hate people that do evil things, blaming them for being evil, despite the fact that they can find out for themselves that they and others don't author their thoughts and impulses. So we aren't built to figure this stuff out. The odds that you'll do the experiment and confirm it - even though I'm telling you - are very slight.

      And you will suffer for the rest of your life because of your fear and laziness. That's the saddest thought that's crossed my mind today. Rather than chalking up human-created evils to the same cause as tornadoes (laws of physics, how things work, cause and effect), you'll be blaming people as if they should have actually done otherwise.

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    11. Interesting that you say "I'm trying to be nice to you" but insult both my intelligence and work ethic. I'm not interested in playing who has a bigger brain- you may well be smarter than me- but you are rather muddled in how you communicate. What comes across from your message to me is intolerance and hostility.

      Perhaps this is because you have drawn some conclusions based on your previous experiences with people who don't share your perspective on biological determinism. Just because I think differently from you does not mean that I think the same as them. The world contains more than 2 sorts of people.
      To clarify- Nowhere did I suggest that it was ok to hate people I perceived as evil. In fact, I don't believe in calling anyone evil. That being said, some people have an established pattern of wreaking havoc in the lives of those around them. It is very important to recognize certain behaviors as destructive, and to the extent that past behaviors predict future behavior- identify and avoid sustained or intimate contact with individuals who "don't play well with others".

      My point raising the question of the soul is that even if the idea of the soul/human spirit is simply a crutch, my particular biology/experience amalgam that shapes my thought patterns fins it to be a useful tool in finding the motivation to escape despair, which is at the root of nihilism. If you can convince a person that nothing they do matters, you destroy their sense of personal agency.

      Whether it is a trick my own mind plays on itself or not is immaterial to the larger point of "is this belief helpful for maximizing my agency?". All people have complicated motives- some healthy, some diseased.
      Judging the inferred motivations of others is a rabbit trail that might increase your own self satisfaction, but has little real world value. What matters is action for in the end- only our actions that have consequences. If my capacity for hope leads me to feel a stronger sense of agency that neutralizes what would otherwise be a crippling nihilistic despair - then it is useful to me at this particular stage of development. Perhaps as my thought patterns mature I will discard it and see things as you do. Or not. We are all in process...

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    12. Incidentally, I did watch the clip about the movie choices. I agree that we rarely understand our unconscious motivations for actions and choices that are seemingly random. If the person I am today is the person I will be going forward is all I will ever be, then I agree that Harris is correct. But let's say I am capable of recognizing that my own perspective is limited and choose to deliberately seek additional information and experiences to inform my point of view.
      The introduction of these new perspectives that originated outside the monkey cage of my own biological determinism can serve the same sort of purpose as cross pollination does in improving the strength of a particular organism. Conversely- these outside perspectives can also hinder or damage an organism. But the x factor of an organism being able to seek data that exists outside the frame of reference it operates opens the possibility for alchemy and growth that were not otherwise possible.

      I will out myself as a fan of Carl Jung. His notion of the collective unconscious (a sort of pool of humanity's previous experiences) rings very true for me. To the extent my own consciousness is open to input from a larger collective unconscious source of reality it remains a dynamic entity that is capable of both growth and change.

      I am a fan of Sam Harris because I believe his point that none of us really understand all of why we do what we do to be accurate. Where he loses me is in the idea that we have no control simply because all of our internal processes are not transparent. I think we have free will over our conscious thoughts. Recent advances in neuroimaging concretely demonstrate that a brain can change itself by engaging in different patterns of thought and action. If human beings even have the partial ability to decide they want to be more like "x" and can undertake certain efforts to produce that effect that prove successful, then the will can be influenced from within.

      Now- you and I and Harris may actually agree more than you realize when I say that just having some freedom of will does not imply complete freedom of will. But that space of "some freedom" is where I find my hope that biological determinism and our past experiences are not the only things that shape our individual destinies.

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    13. No, there's no freedom of will.

      You haven't demonstrated it, because it isn't there. E.g. you write, "I think we have free will over our conscious thoughts," - great, choose to have your next thought be "he is correct, and I'm wrong on free will."

      Did you manage that? Either I'm right or I'm right. Thanks.

      As for people changing their brains - of course they change. But as Sam Harris explains, you change your brain only with the tools that you have right now, and whether that's your brain, what your friends know or what Tony Robbins tells you to do, that's not "you" or up to "you".

      I suggest you watch Sam Harris again and again. You'll see the argument is foolproof. There is absolutely no agency, but everything you do matters. There's no point in blaming anyone, but there's plenty of reason to love everybody and have compassion for their failings.

      BTW, a guy like you, when he fails, is probably very hard on himself. If you fail, you blame yourself. You chose badly. You are guilty. That's all ridiculous.

      When I was 5 years old and hurt my classmates with the improvised weapons I brought to school, I was doing what God (or the universe via the laws of physics) intended for me to do. It couldn't have been any other way. If you feel bad about blaming God, you can blame it on Adam and Eve (and the fallen world) - but basically, it was out of my hands. I can forgive myself for that. I can also forgive Uday Hussein. You can't (because of the blame thing), and that means you live in a hostile world that produces bad people, or you live in a world that a hostile or indifferent god produced. I'm sorry for you (and others like you) - it sucks to live in a world and feel it is broken, and like you don't fit into it.

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    14. Why do you jump to the conclusion I blame people simply because I believe that there is an element of agency in all of our actions? That's a leap I have given you no evidence to make. Also- let's leave God talk out of this for now- When I talk about the "soul" it is simply a catch all term for the possibility of transcendent experience. I don't ask you to agree with me- I simply ask you to consider that we know so little about human cognition at this point that it seems rather short sighted to take a militant position that we posses no agency aside from what our genetics and experiences have endowed us with.

      Also- you misunderstand me. I don't believe that there are good people and bad people. I think there are positive, neutral and destructive choices but generally view anyone who wants to judge someone that way as being the sort who kicks people when they are down. We are all in the middle of our story. Yours had an unfortunate beginning- but your obvious intellect suggests that you will likely have the tools to defy the odds. Like me you bear the scars from trauma. But because we have known these things and not been annihilated by them, we are gifted with insights the innocent are unlikely to arrive at simply by thinking. The people I worry about most are those who have been raised in a sort of moral bubble because they can not recognize destructive energy for what it is and allow it to run rampant and destroy everyone in its path. You are different. Because you've experienced darkness, it would not escape unnoticed on your watch. That's not to say that you'd interfere with darkness (because you don't seem remotely attached to being a "good boy")- I'm only suggesting that your experiences have left you with a sort of radar for trouble the more cosseted members of society do not possess.

      There's an enormous difference between unilaterally judging a person as "bad" and simply recognizing you'd like to avoid anything more than superficial contact with that person because their behavior patterns lead to consequences you don't like. The first is reminiscent of the defense called "splitting" that borderline patients are so known for where people are "all good" or "all bad". I've lived long enough to know that it doesn't work that way.

      Your lack of ability to reasonably appreciate the consequences of bringing weapons to school does not indicate you were a bad child. You were five. You have also alluded to prior trauma. Nothing in your short life had convinced you that denying that impulse would be in your best interest. In so many ways you were like a young pit bull who had been socialized to fight.It's quite unusual for more than a primitive theory of mind to exist in any 5 year old who grew up in a toxic environment.

      I just believe that there is more to the story of who you are and who you will be than who you were then. The very fact you continue to engage with me and the fact you clearly read and explore indicates a sophisticated mind that is capable of moral reasoning. You are hardly the boy you were, even if on some level you still carry the same pain that drove a boy of five to bring weapons to school.

      Survivors (in contrast with victims) of trauma seem to do better because they figure out that if they don't want to stay trapped in misery they must fight their way out of it. Your story of bringing weapons to school suggest that you are a fighter. For that reason, I infer you are more willful than most, and that willfulness informs who you've become.

      I pick up on a lot of defensive aggression in your communication stayle, which makes perfect sense, but unfortunately predisposes you to preemptively see anyone who doesn't completely agree with you as an enemy. I don't agree with you, but I like your thinking, even if my own biases cause me to disagree with you... (I will concede to your point about biological determinism here).


      PS- I am a woman.

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    15. I don't see you as an enemy. When a zen teacher hits you with a stick, it is to wake you up.

      Like most people who "mostly agree" with Sam Harris, you agree with the parts that leave you feeling better about yourself, and disagree with the parts that leave you feeling uncomfortable.

      Similarly, there are millions of people who call themselves Christians and feel good listening to sermons- but they won't do what it takes, right now, to be a Christian. Because doing it doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel right to love the sinner but hate the sin.

      Meanwhile I've tortured and killed A LOT of living things (and been proud of it) - but these days - having done a small amount of self-examination - I find it a lot easier to be loving, kind and accepting of things than most people.

      It is unfortunate - someone like you will get 95% of the way to being happy and accepting people as they are, but balk at the edge, because your are uncomfortable, scared, etc.

      Oh well. That's why religions exist, and why people think Sam Harris is a great thinker (for stating obvious facts that anyone can observe in moments).

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    16. In choosing to accept part of what Sam Harris says but also disagree with part of what he says the only thing I prove is that I am not looking for a guru.

      Are you looking for a guru? Someone who tells you everything you do is ok simply because you are incapable of choosing a more enlightened path?

      If yes, that is your right. I am not declaring that Sam Harris is unenlightened- it just seems like you're a bit young to have foreclosed his identity and possibilities for his future self. Someone as smart as you has a lot of options- why not consider them?

      If truth is absolute and inviolable- asking questions and embracing uncertainty shouldn't be so threatening. Maybe the concept of the soul is no more valid than the possibility of the Easter Bunny. I'm open to that. But I haven't seen enough evidence that there is no freedom in our choices. I'm willing to admit humans are limited in their capacity to explore reality and are limited in their choices because of genetics and early experience.

      But I remain unwilling to shut the window of possibility entirely. We may have limited free will- but that is still free will on some level.

      I have a question you may not like. So if I'm off base, feel free to tell me so.
      It's about you and has nothing to do with Sam Harris. It is: Are you threatened by the idea of free will because you feel that accepting even a fraction of personal responsibility for past actions would bring a wave of shame?

      That strikes me as the reason you are so hell bent on proving we have no choices.

      If so- my answer is- we all have done shitty things. Shame is entirely unhelpful and is simply a tool to induce conformity. Don't feel bad about the past. If it's possible to make amends and you want to do so- go for it- but the real issue is- what influences do you surround yourself with going forward ?

      To foreclose your identity is to give up on the possibility that you could actually like your life. You're clearly quite bright- I think that you will have an interesting life if you don't fall back on the whole biological determinism perspective in a kneejerk fashion. It's a good perspective, but only one (and perhaps not the best) perspective.

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    17. Actually, I started out thinking Sam Harris was wrong and irritating.

      He clearly doesn't say that everything is OK. He's very concerned with ethics and morals. He recognizes that things are are interdependent, so he argues that absolutely everything we do matters.

      E.g. he wrote a book on "Free Will", I read it and it has changed how I view my fellow humans. As a result, I'm a lot less likely to murder any humans or animals in rage, because now I can't see them as evil (as easily as I used to) and hence deserving my wrath.

      About myself and my antisocial behavior: until recently, I knew I had done a bunch of bad things. I felt ashamed about it, but not guilty. That is, I didn't want people to find out, and had they found out, I would have felt uncomfortably vulnerable and exposed. I wouldn't have felt remorse, in the sense that I'd done something inconsistent with the person I'd like to be - simply because my antisocial acts were done in a premeditated fashion. I knew what I was doing and it was consistent with my personal values (taking care of me and hurting my enemies).

      As a psychopath, it is quite natural for me to view people as robots made of meat with desires; I can easily get the physical and intentional view of humans. I can't easily appreciate the phenomenal view of humans - that is, humans as things that have subjective experiences like my own. So I easily look at humans the way most people look at bugs, snakes and perhaps rats - but probably not their pet dog, whom they view as a little furry person.

      If you look at life as a materialist (which is natural for me), it is easy to see that living things can't have free will, because of the laws of physics.

      Nevertheless, you might still resent others - and that's due to being intellectually lazy and illogical. If you don't follow your philosophy to its conclusion, you still get buffeted by your passions - e.g. hating others.

      So despite not believing in free will, I still easily got angry at various people. E.g. I'd somehow expect a moron to not do stupid things, or a braggart not to brag, or a beastly human to not act like a beast. You might as well expect a pig not to oink.

      But if you do the the movie choosing experiment, you'll really get in touch with the phenomenal view of humans.

      And if you get in touch with that, you realize that people don't have free will. There's no free will to be found. There's just thoughts and impulses arising.

      At that point it is quite easy to agree with Sam Harris on free will - because I can't find anything in my subjective experience that disagrees with what he says.

      I don't agree with Sam Harris on morality. I don't think it is possible to derive a morality based on brain states. That's another topic, but it does illustrate that I don't consider him correct on everything.

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    18. You make an interesting point about your subjective experience and how it confirms Sam Harris's theory. For whatever reason, that little red book changed your experience of how to interact with other living beings.

      That's pretty amazing given that there are millions of people who've had much easier lives than you who claim to read the bible, or the Koran, or any other number of esoteric texts who seem to cognitively grasp the principles- and even go so far as to personally identify with those principles even if their actions deviate from those stated beliefs.

      These self anointed "moral" individuals are the people most likely to judge others actions, but always seem to have an excuse about why their lofty principles only apply when it is convenient. It's as if they've come to the conclusion- "I'm a good person because I publicly identify with this moral code. Because the individual I am mistreating angered me, it must mean that he is a bad person so I don't have to apply my lofty principles in my dealings with him. He is simply an object to be eliminated."

      Yet even given your past abuse, lack of religious identification, and predilection for inflicting pain on living creatures you somehow made the leap that many religious people never make- that certain principles should apply universally (ie- basic respect for life) if they are to mean anything at all.

      Obviously you've given me only a few data points about yourself so perhaps there's a perfectly logical reason why Harris's thinking impacts you- but I do think that there was something within you that was primed to hear Harris's message and respond to it on more than a superficial level. Was it just your genes or prior experiences? Because an epiphany like the one you describe is pretty profound. Many self identified "good" people never get there.

      After pondering the movie test and reflecting a bit more, I do have to agree with you that we are incapable of coming to conclusions that have no precedent to something already inside of us. Perhaps the "soul" I am romanticizing is really just a name for the part of a person that remains unconscious. The unconscious is the x factor- it's why we do seemingly inexplicable things. The less we understand our unconscious drives, the more out of touch we are with why we feel compelled to take certain actions.

      And while you may have the exterior of a brutal individual , there is something very reasonable within you. You don't seem to be driven by a need for anyone's approval and I'm guessing you don't suffer fools- yet- Harris's argument provided you with the impetus to change your patterns of interaction. That's pretty remarkable.

      Do you have any idea what it is within you that made you receptive to his message?

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    19. I can make up a story about why I believed the guy's argument and applied it to reality, but I'm smart enough to know that I'd just be guessing, I can't prove anything and it doesn't really matter.

      I suggest you pay more attention - how is it that you didn't notice or figure this out already? How is it that you've lived as long as you've lived, but you haven't noticed that you don't freely choose stuff, nor does anyone else freely choose stuff? You probably have been disliking people or even whole groups (men, women, etc) based on thinking they freely chose to do the irritating things they've done. And it has all been illogical and unnecessary.

      In my own case, I think his argument stuck because I'm quite logical, judgmental, independent (aka disagreeable), persistent and focused. I was missing insight into my own thoughts and feelings, but once I got a little of that, it was possible for me to figure some things out.

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    20. The fact I enjoy conversing with the individuals on SW should be a pretty big clue I'm not a big fan of judging groups of people. We are all individuals with back stories. One of my favorite quotes is "Be kind, for everyone you know is fighting their own battle." A big part of growing up for me and not getting emotionally triggered is learning that people's reactions are about what is inside them- if they are mean to me when I have done nothing to provoke them, it's because I am just a flashpoint and they are venting their misunderstood over supply of negative emotions.

      I think I've always understood that people do things for multiple reasons but I think that the question has been where to attribute agency. I am very comfortable "not knowing" exactly where the interface between the mind and the soul (or conscious and unconscious motivations, if that terminology sits better with you).

      I like ambiguity. It keeps things interesting. And I enjoy talking to people who help me see things in a different light.

      It's been a pleasure to understand your thought process a bit better. Thank you for your thoughtful replies.

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    21. You are very welcome. I have enjoyed our exchange.

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  8. I know what it means to slip up. It means to forget the nature of what a problem is.

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    1. @ Carlos,Or just playing along, either as an antagonist or protagonist, due to mutual benefits to both parties! (Say hi to Dr. Ginger & Super chick)
      “If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.” = No slip up

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    2. Someone asked about passover the other day, who was it?

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    3. @ 3:23 o i could say things , o where the fuck are my cookies and lemonade. your first batch burnt and stunk.

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  9. I have a question I don’t know if anyone knows here:
    Do universities have e-mail privacy rules? Can individuals use those information to prey on their students? I think there is a lawsuit for that.

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    1. For self-protection, against possible opportunists.

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  10. Why would you ask on a sociopath blog?

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    1. umm me thinks you are "dr marnish"

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  16. ok, this is not just regarding this post but general + i didn't have the time to read the comments. i am an empath and i think you are romanticising your "condition". you're just being more aware about your agendas and not ashamed to admit it. i think everyone is like that, but some people's sight is simply clouded about it.

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  19. name is russell i will like us to share tips on how to identify a
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    experience and
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    ask for
    the followings:
    COURIER CHARGES: no matter where you are in the world, no
    matter the
    distance and continent a real spell caster will cast a spell
    effectively
    without you seeing it or the spell caster getting it to you to use it
    so
    long as he has the names or pix..the spell will work itself..
    STRAIGHT: no excuses for failure, if money was needed in the
    first place
    for courier he should have say so, so one can know how
    prepared he is..i
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    $200 for
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    end result
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    THREAT: if you get fed up of sending money after money, they
    begin to
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    NIGERIA; about 80% of them are nigerians not saying they dont
    have real
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    impersonation is too much, the fake are more than the real..
    i fell a victim of scam twice to a certain dr wodu and dr isaka
    they but
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    i came
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    helped me
    get my ex back without failure or excuse in 5 days..we are back
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    lets beware of scammers and share experience, suggestion and
    solutions..thanks

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  20. I never believed in love spells or magic until I met this spell caster once when i went to see my friend in Indian this year on a business summit. I meant a man who's name is Dr ATILA he is really powerful and could help cast spells to bring back one's gone, lost, misbehaving lover and magic money spell or spell for a good job or luck spell .I'm now happy & a living testimony cos the man i had wanted to marry left me 5 weeks before our wedding and my life was upside down cos our relationship has been on for 3years. I really loved him, but his mother was against us and he had no good paying job. So when i met this spell caster, i told him what happened and explained the situation of things to him. At first i was undecided,skeptical and doubtful, but i just gave it a try. And in 7 days when i returned to Canada, my boyfriend (now husband) called me by himself and came to me apologizing that everything had been settled with his mom and family and he got a new job interview so we should get married. I didn't believe it cos the spell caster only asked for my name and my boyfriends name and all i wanted him to do. Well we are happily married now and we are expecting our little kid, and my husband also got the new job and our lives became much better. His email is atilahealinghome@yahoo.com

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  21. name is russell i will like us to share tips on how to identify a
    real
    spell caster cos alot of people have fallen victim of scam as i
    have come
    across lots of comments lately (i was a victim too) and from
    experience and
    what i know i decide to open this thread, only fake spell casters
    ask for
    the followings:
    COURIER CHARGES: no matter where you are in the world, no
    matter the
    distance and continent a real spell caster will cast a spell
    effectively
    without you seeing it or the spell caster getting it to you to use it
    so
    long as he has the names or pix..the spell will work itself..
    STRAIGHT: no excuses for failure, if money was needed in the
    first place
    for courier he should have say so, so one can know how
    prepared he is..i
    did rather pay $2000 at once to get my result rather than paying
    $200 for
    excuses to get more money..its not bad paying for items but the
    end result
    might be an excuse
    THREAT: if you get fed up of sending money after money, they
    begin to
    threaten one with death and madness..
    NIGERIA; about 80% of them are nigerians not saying they dont
    have real
    spell casters cos they are spiritually gifted in africa but the
    impersonation is too much, the fake are more than the real..
    i fell a victim of scam twice to a certain dr wodu and dr isaka
    they but
    ripped me to shred before i realised almost $3700 was gone until
    i came
    across dr igodo who told me how to know a fake spell caster, he
    helped me
    get my ex back without failure or excuse in 5 days..we are back
    and happy
    now for about a month..his e-mail is
    greatigodospelltemple@gmail.com..
    lets beware of scammers and share experience, suggestion and
    solutions..thanks

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  22. I will love to share my testimony to you all the people in world.i got married to my husband about 2 year ago we start having problems at home like we stop sleeping on the same bed,fighting about little things he always comes home late at night,drinking too much and sleeping with other women out side.i have never love any man in my life except him.he is the father of my child and i don't want to loose him because we have worked so hard together to become what we are and have today.few month ago he now decided to live me and the kid,being a single mother can be hard sometimes and so i have nobody to turn to and i was heart broken.i called my mom and explain every thing to her,my mother told me about DR. OYAKHILO how he helped her solve the problem between her and my dad i was surprise about it because they have been without each other for three and a half years and it was like a miracle how they came back to each other.i was directed to DR. OYAKHILO on his email: oyakhilobhegbelovespelltemple@live.com and explain everything to him,so he promise me not to worry that he will cast a spell and make things come back to how we where so much in love again and that it was another female spirit that was controlling my husband.he told me that my problem will be solved within two days if i believe i said OK.So he cast a spell for me and after two days my love came back asking me to forgive him.i Am so happy now. so that why i decided to share my experience with every body that have such problem contact Dr OYAKHILO the great spell caster on his email address: oyakhilobhegbelovespelltelpme@live.com

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  23. my name is Lizzy from washington help me thank Dr Agbagie for what he have done for me in 3 months ago. me and my lover was having a problem he lift home for 3 months but i was confused and i runed to a friend of my that give an email of the great Dr Agbagie. when i email him he told me that my problem solved, that he we cast a spell on him that before 48hours my lover we be back when we was in 24hours my lover came back begging me to accept him back. help me thank the great Dr Agbagie contact him today on agbagietemple@gmail.com or +2348052849204

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  24. I want to use this golden oppurtunity to appreciate the great spell caster called Dr.EKPEN TEMPLE for helping me get back my relationship with my ex lover when he ended and turned his back on me for quite a long period of time. Dr.EKPEN TEMPLE performed a spell for me and within 48 hours after the spell had been casted i receive a call from my ex saying that he is sorry for hurting me and that he will not do such thing to me in his life again, I was surprised but later accepted him back. Anyone that is in the same line of problem or having difficulties in there marriages should contact Dr.EKPEN TEMPLE email address: (ekpentemple@gmail. com) Or CALL mobile (+2347050270218) He is very powerful and can help you at any time you contact him DR.EKPEN TEMPLE THANKS YOU SO MUCH.

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  25. name is russell i will like us to share tips on how to identify a
    real
    spell caster cos alot of people have fallen victim of scam as i
    have come
    across lots of comments lately (i was a victim too) and from
    experience and
    what i know i decide to open this thread, only fake spell casters
    ask for
    the followings:
    COURIER CHARGES: no matter where you are in the world, no
    matter the
    distance and continent a real spell caster will cast a spell
    effectively
    without you seeing it or the spell caster getting it to you to use it
    so
    long as he has the names or pix..the spell will work itself..
    STRAIGHT: no excuses for failure, if money was needed in the
    first place
    for courier he should have say so, so one can know how
    prepared he is..i
    did rather pay $2000 at once to get my result rather than paying
    $200 for
    excuses to get more money..its not bad paying for items but the
    end result
    might be an excuse
    THREAT: if you get fed up of sending money after money, they
    begin to
    threaten one with death and madness..
    NIGERIA; about 80% of them are nigerians not saying they dont
    have real
    spell casters cos they are spiritually gifted in africa but the
    impersonation is too much, the fake are more than the real..
    i fell a victim of scam twice to a certain dr wodu and dr isaka
    they but
    ripped me to shred before i realised almost $3700 was gone until
    i came
    across dr igodo who told me how to know a fake spell caster, he
    helped me
    get my ex back without failure or excuse in 5 days..we are back
    and happy
    now for about a month..his e-mail is
    greatigodospelltemple@gmail.com..
    lets beware of scammers and share experience, suggestion and
    solutions..thanks

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  26. I am from chicago USA, I can't stop thanking Dr Shakes Spear Africa for this Great thing that he has done in my life, I am so greatful to him, i was suffering from HIV seizures and kidney failure when i contacted Dr Shakes Spear Africa after reading the wonderful testimony that people has been sharing about him, when i contacted him, he assure me that he will cure me with his herbal medicine which he really did, and i am now completely cured from HIV seizures and kidney failure. What will i say rather than thanking him for saving me.
    Why suffering in silence when there is remedy to your deseases.Dr.Worrior Africa also specialize in curing the following desease:
    *Hiv/Aids
    *Kidney failure
    *Arthritis
    *Diabetes
    *Hypertension
    *Stroke
    *Obesity
    *Infertility/Impotency
    *Cancer
    *Eye Problem
    *Skin Problem
    *Fibroid Tumor
    *Ulcer
    *Prostate Problem
    *Asthma
    *Weight Management
    *Gonorrhea/Staphylococcus
    *Candidie
    *Low sperm can
    *Weak erection
    *Weak ejaculation
    *Pile e.t.c
    For more information contact Dr Shakes Spear Africa via email:shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com

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  27. This is Shakes Spear, Am a strong powerful SPELL CASTER who helps people, We are very serious to help those that has been scam and those that seek help in this wonderful world. So today Have you ever think of bringing back your ex or husband back you immediately. Have it ever occur to you that DR SHAKES SPEAR TEMPLE is the best and powerful spiritualist who can help you bring your relationship back to a standard view, if actually you so much believe on bringing back your husband or lover, please you are advice to get back to the only helper and solution to your needs at my temple mail now with your problem at:shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com

    I FIX THE FOLLOWING PROBLEMS TO ALL ACCROSS THE GLOBE ON:


    1. Gettings your lover or husband back
    2. Spiritual bulletproof
    3. Training
    4. Money spell
    5. Long life spell
    6. Prosperity spell
    7. Protection spell
    8. Get a job spell
    9. Becoming a manager spell
    10. Get a huge loan without paying any fee spell
    11. Getting your scam money back
    12. Child spell
    13. Pregnancy spell
    14. Freedom spell
    15. Love spell
    16, vanishing spell
    17. Invisible human spell
    18. Sucess or pass spell
    19. Marriage spell
    20. Avenging spell
    21. Popularity spell
    22. Killing spell
    23. Cancer spell
    24. Supernatural power spell
    25. Madness spell
    26. Free house loan spell
    27. Production spell of films and movie
    28. Hiv/aids spell
    29. Tubercolosis spell
    30. Loose weight and body spell

    contact me of any of these today at: shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com..... WE GOT SOLUTION TO ALL PROBLEMS HERE ...

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  28. ATTENTION TO THE WHOLE WORLD:


    Hello and blessed are you who found me. My name is DR SHAKES SPEAR, and am here to help you change and transform your life in the most positive way possible. I use the power of white, black craft and Wicca and voodoo spell casting to help people just like you they get the love they want and the money they deserve.


    My love spell offer amazing and quick results. Do you want to find your soulmate? Do you want to reunite with a past lover and make him or her love you again? Do you need to bind a troublemaker from causing problems in your relationship? With my spell casting service, I can cast a love spell on your behalf that will help all of your wishes and dreams come true. I also do other custom spells, such as money spells, job spells, friendship spells, and good luck spells.


    You may have already tried the power of spells and prayers to get what you want. Although it is true that everyone has the ability to cast spells and perform magic, spell casting is like a muscle. Everyone has this 'muscle' but the more you use it, the stronger it gets, and the more things you are able to do with it. If you are not an experienced spell caster, your spell may not be as strong, and the results not as quick as you may desire.GET YOUR PROBLEMS SOLVE HERE AND BE FREE!!

    Hello to people that want to be Great,

    Note: This Spell casting do not have any effect on any one, But just to get your problem solve ok.
    Get your problem solve in master...You can get the bellow problems solve here.

    1. Bring back lost lover, even if lost for a long
    time
    2. Remove bad spells from homes, business
    & customer attraction etc.
    3. Get promotion you have desired for a long time at work or in your career.
    4. Remove the black pot that keeps on taking your money away
    5. Find out why you are not progressing in life and the solution
    6. Eliminate in family fights
    7. Ensure excellent school grades even for children with mental disabilities
    8. Stop your marriage or relationship from
    breaking apart
    9. I destroy and can send back the Nikolos if requested
    10. We heal barrenness in women and disturbing menstruation
    11. Get you marriage to the lover of your choice
    12. Guarantee you win the troubling court cases & divorce no matter how what stage
    13. Ensure success in work and business
    14. Mental illness & bewitched
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    whereabouts of people that hurt you.
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    I have over 20 years of spell casting experience, and i have successfully cast spells to help hundreds of people improve their love life, financial situation, and happiness.

    I can help you, and I want to help you. Read through my words and CONTACT ME VIA:shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com AS MY POWERS ARE SO STRONG AND VERY EFFECTIVE AND HAS NO BAD EFFECT INSTEAD IT HAVE A VERY GOOD RESULT AFTER CASTING THE SPELL.

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  29. thank you so much Anonymous 11:11 for starting this discourse.
    Sam Harris and Free Will. What I learned today -- awesome and thought provoking... VOTTOMH (view off the top of my head) -- views that are dynamic, or in other words, are bound by physical laws (not necessarily deterministic as many physical laws have randomness explicitly modelled).

    I think the back and forth on 'biological determinism' and free will miss the point a bit. As Sam Harris points out in that video Anon 11:11 linked too -- the absence of free will or its presence does not depend on whether the thoughts, feelings and impulses that crop into our minds have a totally deterministic cause, or also have a random component. Indeed that is also why physical laws, in order to describe reality as we know it, must explicitly often account for randomness. Whether they do or do not account for randomess depends on the phenomena being described. Even models to make weather -- those computer simulations use random number generators. So if you google what todays weather will be, your seeing the output, filtered through a bunch of equations, of a 'pseudorandom process', which itself looks random by many measures...

    I hope this makes sense even if you disagree. So much for biological determism, not even weather is deterministic. But that has nothing to do with free will. It's that beautiful experiment of being asked to think of a movie. We do not choose which movies crop into our heads. That's the problem with free will, in a nutshell and made quite clearly in preceeding comments.

    That's not the same as nihilism, as @Mach points out -- nothing that I do matters. Sam Harris argues the opposite, that everything you do matters.

    But I don't agree with "What matters is action for in the end- only our actions that have consequences. " It's the choices we make out of the things that float into our head, that determine actions, so choices have consequences because actions have consequences. Otherwise it would be impossible to change, and change is a consequence too.

    "We are all in a process..." is a liberating concept for me as well.

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  30. ps on my previous remark

    After reading through all this I've got an esoteric hypothesis about free will and am curious to get some responses.

    It's related to the concept of 'none" in the statement "there is no free will". Believe it or not, 'none' is not necessarily the same as zero -- as in the integer zero.

    For instance we can inject a few molecules of some gas into a 'zero' vacuum state, but even then our lowest vacuum does not mean there are no gas particles left. Let's say there are 2 gas particles left, but we will never be able to measure with a probe because the system is too dilute and the universe will not exist long enough to find them. Just because we will never measure them because the density of gas particles is by definition zero, if there are only 2 particles left, that does not mean there are zero particles in the evacuated chamber.

    So where does this rather pedantic point lead to?

    Going back to that experiment: think for a few minutes about movies and then pick one.

    Since we do not choose which movies pop into our head, we have no free will. But we do make choices since we picked one. It's just that our choices are constrained by what popped into our head that we have no choice about. As far as I can tell, Sam Harris is equating constrained choices with 'no free will'. That's a definition.

    So here is the trickiest part of what I have to say. I'm not sure of the best way to go about it. Let's say we go back to that chamber with gas molecules (this is only one way to get to the point -- one can also go through spirituality, religion or God if one wants to -- that's a hunch anyway).

    If we vary the temperature and pressure of the gas, and put two probes at different points to measure, say, the temperature, we will see tiny differences in temperature between the probes. Then we can see if the temperature differences are correlated. If the probes are far apart -- they are not correlated except at one special point in average temperature and pressure -- when they are. It's called a critical point. This means that what happens at one place can affect what happens far away -- the constraints on what can effect what go away inside the box.

    there could be critical points in our human experiences, like epiphanies, where our choices become infinite in some way, a multitude of choices.

    It turns out that critical points, where constraints go away are much more likely to happen in dynamical systems more complex than simple gases.



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  31. name is russell i will like us to share tips on how to identify a
    real
    spell caster cos alot of people have fallen victim of scam as i
    have come
    across lots of comments lately (i was a victim too) and from
    experience and
    what i know i decide to open this thread, only fake spell casters
    ask for
    the followings:
    COURIER CHARGES: no matter where you are in the world, no
    matter the
    distance and continent a real spell caster will cast a spell
    effectively
    without you seeing it or the spell caster getting it to you to use it
    so
    long as he has the names or pix..the spell will work itself..
    STRAIGHT: no excuses for failure, if money was needed in the
    first place
    for courier he should have say so, so one can know how
    prepared he is..i
    did rather pay $2000 at once to get my result rather than paying
    $200 for
    excuses to get more money..its not bad paying for items but the
    end result
    might be an excuse
    THREAT: if you get fed up of sending money after money, they
    begin to
    threaten one with death and madness..
    NIGERIA; about 80% of them are nigerians not saying they dont
    have real
    spell casters cos they are spiritually gifted in africa but the
    impersonation is too much, the fake are more than the real..
    i fell a victim of scam twice to a certain dr wodu and dr isaka
    they but
    ripped me to shred before i realised almost $3700 was gone until
    i came
    across dr igodo who told me how to know a fake spell caster, he
    helped me
    get my ex back without failure or excuse in 5 days..we are back
    and happy
    now for about a month..his e-mail is
    greatigodospelltemple@gmail.com..
    lets beware of scammers and share experience, suggestion and
    solutions..thanks

    ReplyDelete
  32. Hello am Joyce from UK i wanna thank Dr jarto for what he has done for me at first i taught he was scam but until i just decided to follow my mind.i told him that my ex lover which i loved with all my heart left me for another all Dr jarto did was to laugh and said he will be back to me in 3 days time i taught he was lying on the 3rd day my ex called me and said he wanna see me,i was shocked then he came over to my place and started begging that he was bewitched,immediately i forgives him and now we are back and he his really madly in love with me.All thanks to Dr jarto he indeed wonderful incise you wanna contact him here his is private mail dr.jartospellcaster@gmail.com

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    1. WOW is the first word that comes to my mind to describe your services. They're outstanding and besides the fantastic results I got from my spell, I have to thank you for your patience with me and for always replying to my emails. From all the spellcasters I tried you definitely are the best from all points of view. Thank you! Doc okunspelltemple@gmail.com

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  33. name is russell i will like us to share tips on how to identify a
    real
    spell caster cos alot of people have fallen victim of scam as i
    have come
    across lots of comments lately (i was a victim too) and from
    experience and
    what i know i decide to open this thread, only fake spell casters
    ask for
    the followings:
    COURIER CHARGES: no matter where you are in the world, no
    matter the
    distance and continent a real spell caster will cast a spell
    effectively
    without you seeing it or the spell caster getting it to you to use it
    so
    long as he has the names or pix..the spell will work itself..
    STRAIGHT: no excuses for failure, if money was needed in the
    first place
    for courier he should have say so, so one can know how
    prepared he is..i
    did rather pay $2000 at once to get my result rather than paying
    $200 for
    excuses to get more money..its not bad paying for items but the
    end result
    might be an excuse
    THREAT: if you get fed up of sending money after money, they
    begin to
    threaten one with death and madness..
    NIGERIA; about 80% of them are nigerians not saying they dont
    have real
    spell casters cos they are spiritually gifted in africa but the
    impersonation is too much, the fake are more than the real..
    i fell a victim of scam twice to a certain dr wodu and dr isaka
    they but
    ripped me to shred before i realised almost $3700 was gone until
    i came
    across dr igodo who told me how to know a fake spell caster, he
    helped me
    get my ex back without failure or excuse in 5 days..we are back
    and happy
    now for about a month..his e-mail is
    greatigodospelltemple@gmail.com..
    lets beware of scammers and share experience, suggestion and
    solutions..thanks

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  34. Hello my name is mrs Tessy Jerry and am from u s a, i am hear to give testimony of how i got back my husband, we got married for more than 9 years and have gotten two kids. thing were going well with us and we are always happy. until one day my husband started to behave in a way i could not understand, i was very confused by the way he treat me and the kids. later that month he did not come home again and he called me that he want a divorce, i asked him what have i done wrong to deserve this from him, all he was saying is that he want a divorce that he hate me and do not want to see me again in his life, i was mad and also frustrated do not know what to do,i was sick for more than 2 weeks because of the divorce. i love him so much he was everything to me without him my life is incomplete. i told my sister and she told me to contact a spell caster, i never believe in all this spell casting of a thing. i just want to try if something will come out of it. i contacted for the return of my husband to me, they told me that my husband have been taken by another woman, that she cast a spell on him that is why he hate me and also want us to divorce. then they told me that they have to cast a spell on him that will make him return to me and the kids, they casted the spell and after 2 days my husband called me and he told me that i should forgive him, he started to apologize on phone and said that he still love me that he did not know what happen to him that he left me. it was the spell that Great ADAGBA casted on him that make him comeback to me today,me and my family are now happy again today. thank you Great ADAGBA for what you have done for me i would have been nothing today if not for your great spell. i want you my friends who are passing through all this kind of love problem of getting back their husband, wife , or ex boyfriend, ex lover and girlfriend to contact great ADAGBA with this via EMAIL:adagbaspiritualtemple@yahoo.com

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  35. NOW I DON’T WANNA TALK ABOUT MY LIFE BUT I
    HAVE FOLLOWED MOST OF THESE CRAPS AND GOT
    USED.
    MOST OF THESE PEOPLE TELLING YOU BEWARE THIS
    BEWARE THAT ARE BUNCH OF CRAPS AND SCAMS.
    THE ONLY MAN YOU CAN ACTUALLY TRUST ON
    SPELL IS DR ALUDA HIS EMAIL IS
    aludaspelltemple@gmail.com,
    I WOULD HAVE BROUGHT HIM RIGHT HERE IN THE
    STATES IF POSSIBLE.
    HE DID A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS WHICH I WILL
    REALLY MENTION HERE BUT THE MOST OF WHAT HE
    DID FOR ME WAS HELP ME BROUGHT MY EX BACK
    HE IS GREAT AND I MET HIM OVER THE
    INTERNET JUST AS EVERY OTHER PERSON HAS
    TESTIFIED
    BUT HE IS ACTUALLY REAL AND A VERY GOOD
    SPELL CASTER. I’M STILL VERY MUCH INDEBTED TO
    DR ALUDA FOR SAVING MY LIFE
    AND MY MARRIAGE. I WANT TO LET YA ALL KNOW
    THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO TRY ANYBODY ELSE
    EXCEPT DR ALUDA.
    HIS EMAIL CONTACT IS aludaspelltemple@gmail.com

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  36. NOW I DON’T WANNA TALK ABOUT MY LIFE BUT I
    HAVE FOLLOWED MOST OF THESE CRAPS AND GOT
    USED.
    MOST OF THESE PEOPLE TELLING YOU BEWARE THIS
    BEWARE THAT ARE BUNCH OF CRAPS AND SCAMS.
    THE ONLY MAN YOU CAN ACTUALLY TRUST ON
    SPELL IS DR ALUDA HIS EMAIL IS
    aludaspelltemple@gmail.com,
    I WOULD HAVE BROUGHT HIM RIGHT HERE IN THE
    STATES IF POSSIBLE.
    HE DID A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS WHICH I WILL
    REALLY MENTION HERE BUT THE MOST OF WHAT HE
    DID FOR ME WAS HELP ME BROUGHT MY EX BACK
    HE IS GREAT AND I MET HIM OVER THE
    INTERNET JUST AS EVERY OTHER PERSON HAS
    TESTIFIED
    BUT HE IS ACTUALLY REAL AND A VERY GOOD
    SPELL CASTER. I’M STILL VERY MUCH INDEBTED TO
    DR ALUDA FOR SAVING MY LIFE
    AND MY MARRIAGE. I WANT TO LET YA ALL KNOW
    THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO TRY ANYBODY ELSE
    EXCEPT DR ALUDA.
    HIS EMAIL CONTACT IS aludaspelltemple@gmail.com

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  37. Hello am Hayden Harriet from the UK. Am here to appreciate a man who has brought back the most precious thing back into my life .After Hayden left me for good 2years i was in deep pain and so confused because i truly loved him so much because he meant a lot in my life,So i was at a shop one day buying somethings when i was listening to the radio hearing a lady talking about Dr Aluda on how he has helped her in bringing back her ex,lover i was like truly this Dr Aluda has really been the talk of UK now So which then i got home and had a re think about contacting this spell caster So then i got his contact when i went to meet them at the radio station,They gave me dr Aluda cell number and email id,Then i decided to contact him and i explained to Dr Aluda how my Husband left me for good 2years,He told me not to worry that he would surly bring back Hayden into my life within 5days i was so happy when i had that i was thinking if truly what Dr Aluda is saying is true So then i said if he was a scam people would not talk good about him in an international radio station here in the UK,What baffled me the most was that before the 5days completed i already got an email from Hayden begging me,i was like are you sure this email his real,i was doubting then the next thing was a call from Hayden telling me he is in front of my door i rushed to the door i opened it and saw Hayden standing and crying for me to forgive him which i did,i forgive him and he was so happy and promise to be with me forever,This happened due to the help of this great man Dr Aluda,Please friend Dr Aluda has brought back happiness into our life in the UK how wish we could give him an award for the great thing he has done for us in the UK.Dr Aluda is a man to contact for help please don't fall victim into the hand of scam Dr Aluda is here to help and a living testimony to his great work contact him on his private mail aludaspelltemple@gmail.com

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  38. name is russell i will like us to share tips on how to identify a
    real
    spell caster cos alot of people have fallen victim of scam as i
    have come
    across lots of comments lately (i was a victim too) and from
    experience and
    what i know i decide to open this thread, only fake spell casters
    ask for
    the followings:
    COURIER CHARGES: no matter where you are in the world, no
    matter the
    distance and continent a real spell caster will cast a spell
    effectively
    without you seeing it or the spell caster getting it to you to use it
    so
    long as he has the names or pix..the spell will work itself..
    STRAIGHT: no excuses for failure, if money was needed in the
    first place
    for courier he should have say so, so one can know how
    prepared he is..i
    did rather pay $2000 at once to get my result rather than paying
    $200 for
    excuses to get more money..its not bad paying for items but the
    end result
    might be an excuse
    THREAT: if you get fed up of sending money after money, they
    begin to
    threaten one with death and madness..
    NIGERIA; about 80% of them are nigerians not saying they dont
    have real
    spell casters cos they are spiritually gifted in africa but the
    impersonation is too much, the fake are more than the real..
    i fell a victim of scam twice to a certain dr wodu and dr isaka
    they but
    ripped me to shred before i realised almost $3700 was gone until
    i came
    across dr igodo who told me how to know a fake spell caster, he
    helped me
    get my ex back without failure or excuse in 5 days..we are back
    and happy
    now for about a month..his e-mail is
    greatigodospelltemple@gmail.com..
    lets beware of scammers and share experience, suggestion and
    solutions..thanks

    ReplyDelete
  39. Thanks to Dr. Wakina for giving me the opportunity to test from his Power. I was wondering why most successful people talk more about him even in my neighborhood on how he has been bringing back ex-lovers and making them achieve their lost opportunities and being successful. I doubted some enough until when I tried his power last month via his email.

    Dr. Wakina cast a reunion spell and brought back my “Jackky” after three months of our separation within 3days that he promised. Everything he did was like a movie in my eyes; it was so fast and effective. I felt a strong power in me when he was casting the spell which made me stronger in spirit to invite Jackky’s spirit back to me.

    I don’t have much to say, but to keep thanking him and telling people how I got the love of my life back and how I also go my dream job through his power which he promised. Please stop doubting and give him a try and see for yourself, open up your heart and focus on all the instructions from him and you will see results on your door post. Contact him today and see the miracle of his spell via dr.wakinalovetemple@gmail.com

    Evelyn Clifton from USA.

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  40. name is russell i will like us to share tips on how to identify a
    real
    spell caster cos alot of people have fallen victim of scam as i
    have come
    across lots of comments lately (i was a victim too) and from
    experience and
    what i know i decide to open this thread, only fake spell casters
    ask for
    the followings:
    COURIER CHARGES: no matter where you are in the world, no
    matter the
    distance and continent a real spell caster will cast a spell
    effectively
    without you seeing it or the spell caster getting it to you to use it
    so
    long as he has the names or pix..the spell will work itself..
    STRAIGHT: no excuses for failure, if money was needed in the
    first place
    for courier he should have say so, so one can know how
    prepared he is..i
    did rather pay $2000 at once to get my result rather than paying
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    excuses to get more money..its not bad paying for items but the
    end result
    might be an excuse
    THREAT: if you get fed up of sending money after money, they
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    NIGERIA; about 80% of them are nigerians not saying they dont
    have real
    spell casters cos they are spiritually gifted in africa but the
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    i fell a victim of scam twice to a certain dr wodu and dr isaka
    they but
    ripped me to shred before i realised almost $3700 was gone until
    i came
    across dr igodo who told me how to know a fake spell caster, he
    helped me
    get my ex back without failure or excuse in 5 days..we are back
    and happy
    now for about a month..his e-mail is
    greatigodospelltemple@gmail.com..
    lets beware of scammers and share experience, suggestion and
    solutions..thanks

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  41. THIS IS MY TESTIMONY TO THE WORLD AT LARGE, ABOUT THIS GREAT SPELL CASTER WHO RESTORE MY HAPPINESS BACK IN 24 HOURS. Unimaginable and unbelievable.FOR THE RESPECT OF MY FRIEND PETTY ROSE from the United States and i have a good news to share to the entire world. Do you need your ex husband or lover urgently? I wanna tell you that you need not to worry because i have a good news for those out there that are faced or similar to such situation because there is always a hope and a solution to all problem. There is a great spell caster called Great DR.OKEDIGUN who can really solve your problem. Getting my lover back is what i can't imagine but when I was losing Jackson, I needed help and somewhere to turn badly but my Aunty told me about this spell caster who also helped her on the internet. I thought it won't work but i just tried to give this man a chance and i ordered a LOVE SPELL. Two days later, my phone rang. Jackson was his old self again and wanted to come back to me! Not only come back, the spell caster opened him up to know how much I loved and needed him. This Spell Casting isn't brainwashing, but he opened up his eyes to know how much we have to share together and he also cast a protection spell and no side effect for the spell and also he still cast money spell for me too but i have no problem about money i am reach now and also happy with my family. I recommend anyone who is in my old situation to try him because he will help you and make things be the way it thought to be. If you have such problem or similar to this, please contact him on his email DR.{okedigunspellcaster@gmail.com} thank you Great DR.OKEDIGUN and may your gods reward you for your good deeds DR. {okedigunspellcaster@gmail.com}

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  42. BABA EKITI is the greatest
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  43. 1) If you want your ex back.
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    (9) How you been scammed and you want to recover you lost money.
    (10)Stop Divorce
    I'm from USA. I want to inform you all that there is a spell caster that is genuine and real. I never really believed in any of these things but when I was losing My man, I needed help and somewhere to turn to. I found a spell caster name DR BABA EKITI and i ordered a LOVE SPELL. Several days later, my phone rang. my Man was his old self again and wanted to come back to me! Not only come back, the spell caster opened him up to how much I loved and needed him. Spell Casting isn't brainwashing, but they opened his eyes to how much we have to share together. I recommend anyone who wants his lover back to give him a try. It will bring you a wonderful surprises as well as your lover back to you. The way things were meant to be." you can contact the spell caster on omobabaekiti@yahoo.com text or call +2349090331199

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  45. My name is Janet Lisa am giving thanks to Dr. Odiala for bring back my ex boyfriend back to me again. My love life has not been easy for me since 3rd of July which was my birthday and my lover never showed up to wish me happy birthday. Before my birthday i have been noticing some changes in his character. I finally find out that he was having an affair with someone else which made me really feel bad, I taught may be there was some things i was not doing right. It was that moment i decided to search the internet for some relationship solutions, And that was when the internet recommended me to Dr. Odiala And i saw so many testimony on how Dr. Odiala has help so many people in different kinds of problem, I sent him an email and tell him how my ex lover cheat on me and broke up with me. Dr. Odiala did a perfect work for me by making my lover come back to me within 48 hours and since then my relationship has been on the bright side. My boyfriend is now back to me and our relationship is in a perfect shape ask ever before. His contact info (ODIALASPELLTEMPLE4@GMAIL.COM). call him +2348077513166 his website odialaspelltemple4.webs.com. if i must say he is the best spell cast

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  46. My name is Joyce and my ex-boyfriend dumped me 8 months ago after I caught him of having an affair with someone else and insulting him. I want him back in my life but he refuse to have any contact with me. I was so confuse and don't know what to do, so I visited the INTERNET for help and I saw a testimony of how a spell caster help them to get their ex back so I contact the spell caster and explain my problems to him..... he cast a spell for me and assure me of 3 days that my ex will return to me and to my greatest surprise the third day my man came knocking on my door and beg for forgiveness. I am so happy that my love is back again and not only that, we are about to get married. Once again thank you Temple of permanent healing, you are truly talented and gifted. dr.jartospellcaster@gmail.com is the only answer to any relationship problem.he can be of great help and I will not stop publishing him because he is a wonderful man dr.jartospellcaster@gmail.com

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  47. i want to share a testimony of how Prophet Daniel helped me save my marriage and make my wife love me more, we have been married for 12 years but we have been through some hard times in life and one day she told me she no longer loves me and she wants to move on, i talked to her that i realised i have not been very good to her and i tried to make things work, i bought her gifts, took her out on date nights, i did so many things to bring back the spark we once had in our marriage but nothing worked and finally she left me. I met a friend who told me about prophet Daniel and how he helped her save her marriage and so i contacted him and told him all that happened in my life, he then said he will get my back my wife, he told me things that i should do and i did them. Two days after my wife came back and she loves me more, if you have issues in your marriage, please contact: prophetdaniyiano@hotmail.com.

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    1. My Name is Jones Benady from Australia..I never believed in Love Spells or Magics until I met this special spell caster DR ODIMILI when i went to Africa to Execute some business..He is really powerful..My wife divorce me with no reason for almost 4 years and i tried all i could to have her back cos i really love her so much but all my effort did not work out.. we met at our early age at the college and we both have feelings for each other and we got married happily for 5 years with no kid and she woke up one morning and she told me she’s going on a divorce..i thought it was a joke and when she came back from work she tender to me a divorce letter and she packed all her loads from my house..i ran mad and i tried all i could to have her back but all did not work out..i was lonely for almost 4 years…So when i told the spell caster what happened he said he will help me and he asked for her full name and her picture..i gave him that..At first i was skeptical but i gave it a try cos h ave tried so many spell casters and there is no solution…so when he finished with the readings,he got back to me that she’s with a man and that man is the reason why she left me…The spell caster said he will help me with a spell that will surely bring her back.but i never believe all this…he told me i will see a positive result within 3 days..3 days later,she called me herself and came to me apologizing and she told me she will come back to me..I cant believe this,it was like a dream cos i never believe this will work out after trying many spell casters and there is no solution..DR ODIMILI The spell caster is so powerful and after that he helped me with a pregnancy spell and my wife got pregnant a month later..we are now happy been together again and with lovely kid..This spell caster has really changed my life and i will forever thankful to him..he has helped many friends too with similar problem too and they are happy and thankful to him..This man is indeed the most powerful spell caster have ever experienced in life..Am Posting this to the Forum in case there is anyone who has similar problem and still looking for a way out........ CONTACT THIS POWERFUL SPELL CASTER TODAY VIA EMAIL:hamonyspellcaster1957@gmail.com

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  48. My name is Mary and I base in USA...“My life is back!!! After 1 years of Broken marriage, my husband left me with two kids . I felt like my life was about to end i almost committed suicide, i was emotionally down for a very long time. Thanks to a spell caster called High Priest Dr BRIGHT which i met online. On one faithful day, as I was browsing through the internet,I came across allot of testimonies about this particular spell caster. Some people testified that he brought their Ex lover back, some testified that he restores womb,cure cancer,and other sickness, some testified that he can cast a spell to stop divorce and so on. i also come across one particular testimony,it was about a woman called Sonia,she testified about how he brought back her Ex lover in less than 7 days, and at the end of her testimony she dropped High Priest Dr BRIGHT 's e-mail address. After reading all these,I decided to give it a try. I contacted him via email and explained my problem to him. In just 3 days, my husband came back to me. We solved our issues, and we are even happier than before. High Priest Dr BRIGHT is really a gifted man and i will not stop publishing him because he is a wonderful man... If you have a problem and you are looking for a real and genuine spell caster to solve all your problems for you. Try High Priest Dr BRIGHT anytime, he might be the answer to your problems. Here's his contact:drbrightspellcaster@gmail.. or call his mobile number +2348164737027.

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  50. VIVIAN
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    don't really kno what went wrong i was very drunk and my
    eyes was dirty for sex but before i notice i was caught
    right on his eyes kissing someone eles. 30th of june 2013
    he divorced me and i thought maybe i could go back to my
    ex but too late for me i never knew he was married and he
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    after a while she told me she is done with it so i was about tellin
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    was honey i am sorry i said who is this the caller to me daniel
    your husband after 3yrs i can't realy believe it after he hangup 30mins
    later he drove down and pick me for shopping that was the same day we
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    thnks mother sunlight readers of this if you are facing problems with
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    blessings i thanks ma'am peace e unto you.

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  51. Hello friends i want to share my testimony and how grateful i'm since my lover came back to me because of the great help Lord Masuka whose email address is lordmasukaspelltemple@hotmail.com.com render to me. my boyfriend broke up with me first week of july this year because he thought i was cheating on him, he told me that his friends has been telling him that i have been seeing someone else when he is not around i tried to make him understand that his friends are lieing to him but he did not give me the chance to explain to him this was how he left me. after a month of our breakup i tried to live a normal life without him but it was very hard for me to cope then i decided to contact Lord masuka via his email address lordmasukaspelltemple@hotmail.com which i came across during my search looking for help how to get my lover back he cast a love spell for me and make my lover to come back to me within the period of 48hours. with this grate joy in my heart i want to say a big thanks to lord masuka he is the best spell caster and he is the best solution.Here is his website http://lordmasukalovespelltemple.webs.com you will be happy thereafter here is his phone number +2347053105287. You can add him up on Skype his user name lord.Masuka

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  53. THANKS TO DR BENEDICT FOR SOLVING MY PROBLEMS

    An amazing testimony on a spell caster who brought my wife back to me.. My name is Andy Sowers,i live in Australia,and I'm happily married to a lovely and caring wife,with two kids.A very big problem occurred in my family seven months ago,between me and my wife.so terrible that she took the case to court for a divorce.she said that she never wanted to stay with me again,and that she didn't love me anymore.So she packed out of my house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get her back,after much begging,but all to no avail.and she confirmed it that she has made her decision,and she never wanted to see me again. So on one evening,as i was coming back from work,i met an old friend of mine who asked of my wife.So i explained every thing to her,so she told me that the only way i can get my wife back,is to visit a spell caster,because it has really worked for her too.So i never believed in spell,but i had no other choice,than to follow her advice. Then she gave me the email address of the spell caster whom she visited.{benedictsolutioncentre@gmail.com}. So the next morning,i sent a mail to the address she gave to me,and the spell caster assured me that i will get my wife back the next day.What an amazing statement!! I never believed,so he spoke with me,and told me everything that i need to do. Then the next morning, So surprisingly, my wife who didn't call me for the past seven {7}months,gave me a call to inform me that she was coming back.So Amazing!! So that was how she came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and she apologized for her mistake,and for the pain she caused me and my children. Then from that day,our relationship was now stronger than how it were before,by the help of a spell caster DR benedict. So.
    So,if you are in a similar problem or any kind of problems you can also contact him via his email(benedictsolutioncentre@gmail.com}he is the solution to all your problems and predicaments in life.his email again is{benedictsolutioncentre@gmail.com}.

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    once again make sure you contact him if you have any problem he will help you. his email address is(benedictsolutioncentre@gmail.com}

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  54. BE CAREFUL HERE NOBODY CAN HELP YOU HERE OR EVEN SUGGEST HOW YOU CAN GET YOUR EX OR LOVE BACK,ANY TESTIMONIES OF MOST SPELL CASTER HERE MUST BE IGNORE.BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE SCAM I MEAN REAL SCAM WHICH I WAS A VICTIM AND I GOT RIPPED OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BECAUSE I WAS SO ANXIOUS TO GET MY WIFE BACK AFTER SHE LEFT ME FOR OVER 2 YEARS WITH MY 7 YEARS OLD SON JERRY,I HAVE APPLIED TO 7 DIFFERENT SPELL CASTER HERE AND ALL TO NO AVAIL THEY ALL ASK FOR SAME THING SEND YOUR NAME YOUR EX NAME ADDRESS AND PICTURE PHONE NUMBER ETC WHICH I DID OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND MOST OF THEM WERE FROM WEST AFRICA UNTIL I SAW A POST ABOUT MAMA ANITA SPELL AND I DECIDED TO GAVE HER MY LAST TRAIL.SHE ASK ME FOUR THINGS MY REAL NAME,MY EX AND MY EX MOTHER NAME AND $380 AND SAID MY EX WILL COME BACK IN 24HOURS, I HAVE PAID OVER $3000 ON SPELL CASTING AND COURIER AND NOTHING HAVE WORK FOR ME AFTER 3 DAYS I WAS THINKING ABOUT HOW MUCH I HAVE LOST SO FAR SO I SAID LET ME GIVE HER A TRY SO I CALLED HER AGAIN AND SEND MY REAL NAME,MY EX AND MY EX MOTHER NAME AND THE $380 BECAUSE I SWEAR IT WAS MY LAST TRY SO I WAS WAITING AS SHE TOLD ME TO WAIT TILL NEXT DAY AND I COULD NOT SLEEP THAT NIGHT BECAUSE I REALLY LOVE MY WIFE AND WANT HER BACK AT 9PM THAT DAY I SAW MY WIFE ON LINE ON FACE BOOK AND SHE SAID HI AT FIRST I WAS SHOCK BECAUSE SHE NEVER TALK WITH ME FOR THE PAST A YEAR AND 9 MONTH NOW I DID NOT REPLY AGAIN SHE SAID ARE YOU THERE? I QUICKLY REPLY YES AND SHE SAID CAN WE SEE TOMORROW I SAID YES AND SHE WENT OFF-LINE I WAS CONFUSED I TRY TO CHAT HER AGAIN BUT SHE WAS NO MORE ON LINE I COULD NOT SLEEP THAT NIGHT AS I WAS WONDERING WHAT SHE IS GOING TO SAY, BY 7.AM THE NEXT MORNING SHE GAVE ME A MISS CALL I DECIDED NOT TO CALL BACK AS I WAS STILL ON SHOCK AGAIN SHE CALL AND I PICK SHE SAID CAN WE SEE AFTER WORK TODAY I SAID YES SO SHE END THE CALL IMMEDIATELY I GOT OFF WORK SHE CALL ME AND WE MEET AND NOW WE ARE BACK AGAIN I CALL MAMA ANITA THE NEXT DAY THANKING HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS DONE IN FACT I STILL CALL HER AND THANK HER AS MY LIFE WAS NOT COMPLETE WITHOUT MY WIFE PLEASE BE CAREFUL HERE I HAVE BEEN SCAM THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IF YOU WANT A TRUE LOVE SPELL THEN CONTACT MAMA ANITA (mamaanita.lovespellsolution@gmail.com)

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  55. I AM Dora Sandy i want to give thanks and i will always give thanks to prophet oyinbo who brought back my divorce husband that has left me for 6years within 48hours,i have said about this last week but i promised to always tell people about this every weekend so that those that did not read about it last week will read about it this week,i have been looking for how to get pregnant and how to get my divorce husband back to my life because i love him with the whole of my heart,i could not replace him with any body,one day i was watching my television when i saw a lady giving thanks to priest ina and telling the world how he helped her i was so shocked i could not believe it because i never taught that there are powers that can bring back lost marriage,then that was how i decided to contact him too because i do really need my divorce husband back,when i contacted him i told him everything and he told me not to worry that my divorce husband will surely be back to me, within 48hours at first i could not believe because i was thinking how could somebody that has gone for 6years come back within 48 hours,so then i decided to watch and see,unbelievable within the next 48hours i got a call from unknown number so i pick the call the next thing i could hear was my husbands voice he was pleading and begging me on the phone that i should forgive him that i should forget all that have happened that he did not know what came over him,he promised not to leave for any reason,that he was really sorry for what he did,i was so surprised because i never believed that this could happen,so that was how i accepted his apology and the next morning he came back home to meet me and still pleading for me to forgive him i told him that everything is okay that i have forgiven him,that was how we started again and he has Chang,i promised to say this testimony in radio station,commenting this testimony that now am pregnant,but still okay before this month runs out i promise to say this in radio station and i will sir, thank you very much.World please am begging you people to try and help me thank this man for me,or if you need his help here is his email address prophetoyinbojesus@yahoo.com or you can also reach him through his mobile number,+2348074066640

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  56. Dr goodnews is the only Dr who could ever get my HERPES cured with his healing spell, i have tried almost everything but i couldn’t find any solution on my disease, despite all these happening to me, i always spend a lot to buy HERPES drugs from hospital and taking some several medications but no relieve, until one day i was just browsing on the internet when i come across a great post of !Nicole! who truly said that she was been diagnose with HERPES and was healed that very week through the help of these great powerful healing spell doctor, sometime i really wonder why people called him Dr GOODNEWS, i never knew it was all because of the great and perfect work that he has been doing that is causing all this. so i quickly contacted him, and he ask me some few questions and he said a thing i will never forget that anyone who contacted him is always getting his or her healing in just 6 hours after doing all he ask you, so i was amazed all the time i heard that from him, so i did all things only to see that at the very day which he said i will be healed, all the strength that has left me before rush back and i becomes very strong and healthy, this disease almost kills my life all because of me, so i will to hospital to give the final test to the disease and the doctor said i am HERPES negative, i am very amazed and happy about the healing Dr GOODNEWS gave to me from the help of his ancient herbs But if you feel like contacting Dr GOODNEWS at once you can email him now for your own healing too at: drgoodnewstemple@gmail.com or call him on +2348156026954

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  57. After been in pain and sorrow for 2years and 11months, Dr goodnews was able to restore my life back with his herbal medicine, my good friends i have been Hiv positive for 2years and everyday of my life i cry to God as i was a mother of 2 cute kids who were looking up to me, I was on taking my medication from the hospital, I also did some prayers to God that he should do some miracle in my life, my friends this is a life touching story i am sharing with you all on net today, Few Months ago i was browsing on net when i found some good testimonials about Dr goodnews Herbs, and someone recommended that he has cured Hiv by Dr goodnews, i always had faith that God could use someone to heal me, i contacted Dr goodnews and i told him concerning my problem he told me not to worry that with God all things are possible and also that he was going to prepare for me some herbal herbs which i am to take and he is going to send the medicine to me, well after all the guidance and medication from Dr goodnews he advice that i go for check again to see my status result and he assured me of good result, i was afraid at this point cause i never wanted someone to tell me again that i am positive, after 2days i went to the Hospital for check up and they said the result was to come out by Friday, at 11:00am on Friday the hospital Doctor called me and told me that the result was out and i am Negative, i was shocked and could not believe it, i immediately called Dr goodnews and told him about the good news he told me to rejoice and make sure i share my testimony with my friends and that is why i am doing this right now, friends you can contact Dr goodnews today on ( drgoodnewstemple@gmail.com friends Dr goodnews can help you solve any problem contact him now.

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