Tuesday, January 14, 2014

Being told you're a sociopath (part 1)

A lot of people ask me, do sociopaths know that they are sociopaths? I have always said yes, or at least that they usually know that they're different even if they're not quite sure what to label that difference. But I also think that young sociopaths often underestimate exactly how different they are from most people. From their perspective, the main differences they notice are how people make irrational emotional choices or how people do not use their brains as efficiently and effectively as the young sociopath does. What they don't necessarily realize is that other people are making similar assessments about them and their behavior. Perhaps other people notice that the young sociopath makes hyper rational choices, or that the young sociopath seems emotionally detached. In other words, young sociopaths often spend much of their time watching and studying the behavior of others, but sometimes they themselves are being observed and classified, perhaps by people that actually know what a sociopath is and are able to identify the observed traits as being sociopathic. I thought this story from a reader was a great illustration of how a sociopath feels about being told they are a sociopath:

I am 18 and an undergraduate freshman, and my story begins when I took a Philosophy class titled EVIL. I took it because it struck me as an interesting way to go about taking care of a GE requirement. And indeed, it was interesting, just not for the reasons I thought it would be….

As we started really dissecting the nature of evil, morality, conscience, guilt and regret, I began to notice things I had previously not even bothered to acknowledge. I began to disagree with my professor's black and white view on many concepts. I began to receive strange looks from classmates who always left the lecture hall with teary eyes and heavy hearts. An older woman sitting next to me eventually confronted me and suggested that I stop commenting to the class as it seemed I was offending her and other people with my, as she put it, “complete soullessness.”

I didn't understand what the big deal was. I had never had any real problems with what I said to people. I could be fun and sarcastic and usually everyone just loved to be around me. And now, for the first time, I felt exactly like an alien failing at disguising herself as a human.

One day, my professor asked me to stay after class. He asked me about my views I had expressed in lecture, so I clarified the way I had always thought of the nature of evil. He went on to ask me about more personal questions, like my attitudes towards friends and family… so on and so forth. For the first time, I didn’t know what to say. No one had ever asked me about my thoughts on these things so I said what I thought was appropriate. Finally, he  asked me if I had any history of mental health or violence. I told him, honestly, that I didn’t as far as I knew.

Then he brought up one word. He asked me if I knew what the word ‘sociopath” meant. At the time, I thought the word only existed in movies and TV dramas. A romanticized adjective to describe the Hannibal Lecters and the Dexter Morgans. As far as I knew, it had no practical meaning in everyday life. I told him as much.   

He confessed that he had been talking about me with one of his psychiatrist friends. It turned out he had actually invited his friend to sit in on a few of the lectures. He said that his friend had confirmed what he had already suspected, that I exhibited some traits of Antisocial Personality Disorder. (He didn’t use sociopathy the second time, but I learned later through research that they mean basically the same thing.) He suggested that I go see the school therapist or immediately seek some other form of professional help.

Hearing that from someone was like having water thrown on my face. I didn’t know what to say, or how to respond, how to act. So I didn’t say anything. I just thanked him for his time, told him I’d consider it, and left. I started doing meticulous research after that I learned that APD or sociopathy was a very real thing… and that the criteria of diagnosis hit very close to home for me.

And that’s when I stumbled across your book.
  
Reading through it opened my eyes in ways I wouldn't have ever guessed were possible. It was exciting and…fascinating, to have this previously fictional world open up to me and suddenly become very real. I wasn’t afraid or that shocked even. I was curious. I had to know more. And your book offered me insight that I wouldn't have never gotten otherwise. I could relate to most of what you wrote. I saw your writing and through it saw myself in a new light.

Which is what brings me to here and now. I don’t know if I really am a sociopath or just messed up in the head. Part of me really doesn't care. I am what I am. Others may have had issue with me in the past but I have never had any problems with myself. However, part of me also can’t help but be suspicious. I can look back at my life and make all the excuses I want for things I barely remember doing but that doesn’t change who I am now. If sociopathy is genetic then I don’t know where I would get it from because no one in my immediate family (that I know of) is anything like me. Is it like a switch, a mutation, a genetic malfunction, that can just happen from time to time? I don’t know.

The only thing I ask myself is how I could have gone through my life without the thought ever even entering my mind. I mean, from your book and from what most research says about this, you should know in your childhood years. But I didn’t have a normal childhood where this would have become immediately apparent. I was off, certainly. I was weird and creepy, sure. But was I really that weird, and that off?

51 comments:

  1. I understand a lot of what people say during their "self-discovery". However, I am "good" and empathetic. That is the weird part for me.

    I mean really. Doesn't the rest of society feel the same way? Or maybe it is different for all of us with a mental illness or Personality disorder.

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    1. you know that river in egypt?

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    2. Denial, the most predictable human reaction.

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  2. No, you arent creepy. But your professor is. . Should not have suggested any diagnosis. Its one thing to suggest therapy or introduce a mentor, but 18 year old sudent is impressionable.

    Professor is probably a psycho watching for this kid to off himself. Teaches a class in evil, hullo.

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    1. A lot of professors can't stand when someone thinks differently than they do.

      Dissention must be crushed.

      Must contain the minds of the free.

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    2. Your professor was out of line. If he knows so much about antisocial personality disorder, then he should know that telling you to get therapy would not be a terribly helpful solution.

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    3. I would have been a lot happier to figure out I was a sociopath at age 18 instead of more than two decades later, when I was addicted to committing crimes and had wrecked my life a couple of times.

      This guy's story reminds me of one of my best friends (another high-functioning sociopath) - in the course of dealing with moral dilemmas in philosophy class, the professor explained that people that answer in a moral utilitarian fashion (as my friend did) are psychopaths.

      My friend ignored the information. He figured it all out two decades later, after wasting two decades getting high, chasing women, traveling and otherwise mismanaging his career. He was very smart and capable, but his lack of judgment and impulse control led to lots of avoidable problems. He has little money and status. Besides having a lot of sex with hot women (what good does that do him now?), about all you can say is he's avoided jail, and might yet make something of his career.

      So one way to look at it is that the professor might be saving this guy two decades of expensive mistakes.

      I wish someone had saved me two decades of mistakes. I can even put a price on it: several hundred thousand dollars (given the risks I've taken to chase thrills).

      We have compared ourselves to the worst sort of ghetto blacks that get into the NBA and self-destruct: lots of talent and earning potential, but terrible judgment - leading to the typical tragic events that one reads about in the news every day.

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    4. This is "anonymous at 4:13 PM" again.

      I re-read my reply and some others. I think I see a difference: a lot of people attack the professor for saying something unpleasant (that's being antisocial) or overstepping his bounds.

      That is, they have an emotional reaction (dislike/anger) to the professor, because of his actions.

      As a sociopath, that stuff doesn't rile me up. Instead I see the positive: professor might save this kid from making totally avoidable mistakes that he'd otherwise make.

      Also, we don't know what budding 18-year old sociopath said in class. Maybe he said something that bothered the empaths a lot. When I was 18, I might have remarked, without apparent affect, "I have actually thought about this moral dilemma before. I'd definitely choose to have millions die if it meant that my (hypothetical) chronic back pain would go away. I'd do it in a heartbeat and without any guilt."

      Given that the prof brought in another guy to observe budding sociopath, I'd figure that our guy callously said some really disturbing things - e.g. "after 9/11, I just can't figure out why we didn't kill everyone in Afghanistan, just to set an example," or whatever.

      He's actually very lucky to find this stuff out now. Insight is wonderful.

      I hope he avoids intoxicants (often a big problem for sociopaths, especially young ones) and enjoys his mortal life to the fullest.

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    5. Yes, you see the positive because you envision how you would take the news.

      Me, I have identity problems and am impressionable. And if I was my own parent standing next to me whilst a professuer who was gawking at me under a microscope, doing show and tell with a crony, i'd take myself under my own wing to protect myself.

      Who the fuck is this guy to play diagnostician ??

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  3. It's amazing, our propensity to jump to conclusions devoid of
    adequate information. Human's have the need to "fill in the dots"
    and engage in speculation when they are not in recit of all the facts.
    I once posted on the Caylee Daily website. I had occasional
    disagreements with the promiment viewpoints there. Wouldn't you
    know that some days I had to be Casey Anthony's mom Cindy? Other
    days, I was her father George, or her brother Lee. Another day,
    opinion had it that I was her defense attorney Dorathy Clay Sims.
    Is it any wonder that a jury of 12 lunk heads who couldn't do simple
    arithmatic accquited her?

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  4. It's interesting how we can learn about ourselves and others. The tools we have.
    Like this young person hearing this information from a philosophy teacher and then reading the book. I myself learned so much from the book and now this blog. I'm empathic, but clearly impulsive with my emotions at times, and can be very mean sometimes. Mental illness, severe chemical dependency run in my family. I've managed to create a good life for myself and consider myself a good member of society, but I do have a dark side. It seems to me any way we can learn more about ourselves to create a better life for ourselves, families, friends, society, I say go for it.

    Seems to me many people that comment on this blog are searchers, which is a good thing, even if we're a little 'different.'

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  5. The problem with self discovery is that we assume everyone is like us and works on the same level... finding out one is an anomaly on almost every level can be a shock. Trying to adjust to a way of being and thinking which is to say the least rather abstract is difficult and the heart of the issue of whether treatment is possible. Also there is that trick when one goes for therapy that Dr Phil used on ME on T.V.- where they refuse to admit the sociopath is right-an attempt to instigate some physical reaction-frustration or rage perchance? Whatever, self identification at such an early age must be beneficial, from one who has been lost in the darkness for too long a time...

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    1. The problem with self discovery is that we assume everyone is like us and works on the same level... finding out one is an anomaly on almost every level can be a shock.

      That's one of the most pertinent comments for me personally I've read on here. And of course this doesn't just apply to sociopathy.

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    2. It really is. I postEd comment at 944.

      You go along thinking you are one way your whole life, then you find out other people cant feel like you because you are different..its hardly pleasant. You feel like an outsider. Who wants to be an outsider??????????? You think oh I am always going to be this way :( personality disorder:(
      thts like saying "I have cancer incurable" How dare that prof abuse his position of authority and slap a label on a
      Young student.
      And yet, if my long time therapist had had a fucking clue and suggested bpd idk, maybe i would have been better off?

      The thing is we are all on a spectrum. We cannot know absolutes. That is the nature of psychiatry.


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  6. Um sorry if this is way off topic, not directed at anyone but ONE. Would the real gingerbread man please stand up. Not the clones. There's a whole crew of cookies who are worried, plus myself. No one can get a hold of you . I know the tolerating of distress is causing this suffering. Your brains not comfortable in the in-between feeling or anyone telling you how hurt they got. It's causing an endless cycle of pain. I get it. I do. The bpd wiring of the brain is making it to split into categories of all good and all bad. Its a defence mechanism. Everything feels as an attack. But I promise you that it's all going to work out for you. I promise you this because your the toughest fighter I've seen. And I need you not to give up. Why am I doing this here. I gotta believe somehow your looking in. We are all getting worried. My friend just committed suicide 2 days ago. I can't handle another one. I gotta believe your here. Can you please give me clues. I'm scared. Please. Just tell me your ok. And still working at the lemonade stand. Your the best cookie maker I've ever seen and you have broughten so many people together. I see many positives about you. Please don't give up. I care very much about my gingerbread man. Lets work it out. I surrender and take whatever responsibly it is. I need you making your cookies and icing still. We all do.

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    1. Would the main gingerbread lady stand up - if you have his contacts - please help. You know how to make sense of this. And get the gingerbread man on the right path. Please. He will listen to you.

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    2. I am him, he is me... But you can call me the REAL gingerbread man... In disguise of course...

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    3. Ok test : if you are the REAL gingerbread man tell me something about myself that "no one would know here." And what character did I first meet you as a few yrs back. It has an animal in its name and it wears something. I will asked three test questions. It depend how you answer for me to believe it's YOU. Xx your writing is a huge indicator. I know yr style. ;)

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    4. DO NOT ABUSE MY ELLIPSES, FAKE!

      Thank you superchic chick ;)

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    5. O I wouldn't abuse it. I like your ELLIPSES. Lol. i know your dots. The spaces. It all. It's original. I'm not into fancy lingo myself on this phone. It corrects every everything into capitals. You know how much capitals annoy me.. All I was meant is that I know yr style of writing. All pick it up if yr the real one. ;)

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    6. Superchic, no matter how horrible I have felt (and I wont lie...it gets worse) my life is a series of ups And downs. I am so very lucky that the ups are in my mind and that I do not ideate suicide . I have never ever ever overdosed on pills or anything, or given anyone reason in real life to think I am a danger to myself. I am responsible with my medecine. I do not want anyone to worry, no matter how terriblebi feel. I am so sorry your friend committed suicide.

      That is not me. I may get down but weebles wobble and I have a lifetime behind me of wobbling. I do not intend to stop.

      The only reason 7 share my anxiety and horrible feelings here and not too much with people irl(and sorry socios, I am here to be queer so fuck all of you) is I dont want to burden the real world and you all dont care a shit whether I off myself or not.

      I hope that you do not 3vervevervever ever consider a suicide superchic chick. You are super. That is your name.

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    7. I'm here to always listen. And wish you the best. Always my intentions. Even though we can bite a bit for play and laughter. I'm not sure if this is my original cookie - my cookie monster- but it doesn't matter- you are sweet. I guess my empathy/symphathy kind of got on hypermode because of this suicide. I was worried, (I really miss u) and your friends are worried that you haven't been in contact for awhile. I wish it was you, but this YOU sounds kind of on target, that it might be you. Your a fighter, and are resilient in springing back.

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    8. You are very sweet to be so caring .

      But Who are you even talking about when you say there are other people even, who are worried abt me. ?

      How can you miss me, superchick, you know that I am here everyday for a long time. You are good to me and I love you.

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    9. im talking about another cookie monster. lol. its not you. but that's ok. i accept it. he ain't coming back to us, we've been cut off on another internet forum.

      im glad you're here though. i guess you were the original gingerbread man after all - and it got confusing with the anonymous posts, big hugs, lotsa care and love gingerbread man XXX wish me luck, i have an interview this Tuesday. Im studying like nuts.

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  7. yeah,we're all so different. but don't you believe, regardless of any diagnosis, there are ways to improve our lives? find what works for you and do it! It's HARD WORK being in a body, but also a miracle and a blessing. are their things/people that make you happy, things you like to do that please you? it would of been great to have a stable childhood, but that didn't happen. so I create my life now. it is a gift to youngsters that get help early on with these disorders. i'm so glad light is finally being shed on some of these issues for children and adults alike. it's never to late.

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  8. Teacher sounds like a real piece of shit.

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  9. I was once warned by a college professor that I was a sociopath. No freaking out and telling me to get therapy or anything. Just a simple warning that I am a sociopath and that I would get into trouble if I did not accept this and went around thinking I was like everything else. I didn't listen, but I think this is the best way to break the news.

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  10. Evil is hard to dissect and the moral issues of evil and the right and wrong are all too complicated to get 100 people in one room and have them all agree. Just that alone is a miracle that you were the only one in disagreement. To me evil and good are such methaphorical words that they can be examined for centuries and yet they mean a lot more. I think its normal that someone did step out of line and did disagree.

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    1. Although people don't all agree on moral dilemmas, they are called "moral dilemmas" because most people, when presented with certain hypothetical situations, experience negative emotions and agonize over what to do.

      Here's more for you on this topic.

      Psychopaths don't typically agonize over these hypothetical problems. They typically quickly reach utilitarian answers. In real life, these are the people who'll take actions that normal people consider extreme - because it doesn't feel extreme to them.

      Let's take my favorite dilemma: aliens come down from outer space. They'll enslave the whole planet - all the people on the earth. You can save the entire planet, but in order to do it, you'll have to torture your mother to death. She'll suffer terribly - and as a result, you'll save the planet.

      A normal person agonizes over this. They can't imagine torturing anyone to death, much less their own mother.

      A psychopath makes the right choice, very quickly. Having decided on a course of action, his impulsiveness helps him to get started. At that point inertia helps him to see it through - because he'll become myopically focused on the goal and won't "see" incoming emotional information that would suggest he change course.

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  11. That's one way of getting annoying pupils to shut up during class.

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  12. Lucifer effect guy is still around... What came to mind in this video is how many "sociopaths" are bully-bashers. I guess that makes you guys natural born heroes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsFEV35tWsg

    I hate to use TV references, but its a bit like the two paths depicted in The Fall. Gillian chose to be an incredibly hot hero of a sociopath, its a choice. I've actually spent time trying to figure out how a romantic partner could hold onto someone like her. Because honestly, what could be more exhilarating than to spend your life with someone like her or ........

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  13. I have sociopathic tendencies and consider this a strength, you just need to learn how to use this ability to your advantage and 'display' empathy in the correct social situation. In all honesty I and my family would not have survived if it were not for the way I am - what is wrong with that!

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    1. I know that I have sociopathic tendencies too. They are tendencies kept in major check. Because I have empathic tendencies too. Machiavellian ones, manipultive ones, vulnrable ones, fearful ones, narcissistic ones. Etc .

      But nobody gets to call me a victim but me. And I dont no matter what kind of shit flinging gorilla tries to shove me out an elevator. L a u g h e g e h e d I n h I s f a c e and told him he reminded me of my mother.

      *takes a bow*


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    2. Nothing wrong with that. Just learning to be tolerant of one another's wiring. Non neurological or not. My SO is the way he is. I swear he displays sociopathic tendencies. Would I change him? Hell no. It works. Sociopaths are very capable of being close to loved ones. Especially immediate family. He can care less about the rest - but does display empathy to others, very controlled.. Sometimes I teach him how to show appropriate emotion, so some don't think he's just being assholian. He aint, it's just his wiring. I accept it, but he needs masks on at appropriate times. Lol. It's channeled I'd say. Even prioritized correctly ..his emotion. I wish I had his brain wiring. Lol. Seriously. I'm dam sick of my hyper empath brain. That's why this blog is healing for me. But he was drawn to my hyper empath ways. It's all a balancing act for him and I.

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    3. Pops dam auto correct, I meant non neurotypical or not.

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  14. I was told I was a "psychopath" by my best friend based on a conversation she had with a psychiatrist about me.

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  15. I think young psychos (at least the nonviolent type) first feeling about this is a haughty "-I´m WAY smarter than most kids in my class" thought and he´s right, even if it does not reveal itself in the rather average grades. He does not participate, watches from the sidelines. Accused of being a loner & shrugging his shoulders. He senses that the whole process is "agility training" & let his thoughs drift away. Looks at a sunlit trees outside the windows instead. His classmates are all filled with mindless ambition & say they wanna be lawyers because they´ve seen them on tv. Their talk tire him, and he´s not a member of the "outsider" longhair smoker-gang. He´s a stranger to them too.

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  16. This is really good example of what happens when you try be something you're not. In this case a therapist/counselor/psychologist/psychiatrist. What this professor did was completely unprofessional and unethical. And if there even was a psychiatrist sitting in on the lecture observing anonymously that was extremely unethical.

    Maybe the professor is really the sociopath in this story. Sound familiar?

    MelissaR

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    1. My thoughts exactly reading it.

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    2. Why is it unethical? Her stuff must have been so far out there, that he felt he needed to bring someone in to observe it. I wish I knew what she said!

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    3. What Annonymous 511 and 413 said makes sense too. Lots of multifauceted ways to look at this.

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    4. It was hopping a boundary...It was not in the students best interest. The teacher was getting off..

      It is about influence. A philosophy teacher. Evil "expert". I would say the teacher may have a fetish for the macabre. I would venture to say he got off on the student's mind. He probably went home and fantasized about having no conscience like this kid.

      He should have just left it at that. It was encouraging the kid to embrace his evil. And he objectified him, discovering him, getting proof like a stamp of authenticity at a find.
      And he outed him!,

      Many posters here have voiced their concerns about diagnoses giving subjects an excuse to act on who they are . This youngster has his whole life to decid3 a code of behaviour. He is enrolled in higher education, may become prosocial, is getting a handle on forming his personality. You do not help a person along their way at this impressionable age.

      Its reckless and self serving.



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  17. I would give my left arm to know what this chick was saying in class. Must have been some pretty good stuff for her instructor to drag in a psychiatrist, and sit in on not just one, but SEVERAL classes.

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  18. It was probably lame or we wouldve been given examples.

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  19. I've been told by psychologists that I have antisocial tendencies. Personally I think they lack a good imagination and a sense of adventure :P

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  20. I wish someone had told me when I was 18 that they thought I was a sociopath. In my early 30s, an ex-girlfriend wrote a blog post calling me a socio. I thought that was hilarious, and started reading up on sociopathy to prove her wrong. The more I read, the more I realized how right she was. Not that it bothered me, but I found it fascinating that I could cruise through adult life without realizing something so central about myself, how different I was from most people. To discover it at 18 would have been liberating.

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    1. Ironically my case as different yet the same. I was told I had ASPD from early teenage years (before 18, which technically you are not supposed to do) by multiple psychiatrists. But for me, I didn't think much of it. "Anti-social"? I didn't like socializing? Am I repressed? That's ridiculous. I don't have many friends? I had a couple. Do I need more?

      The psychiatrist, and school counselor, were very careful and nice with my parents and I. It was simply understated to us. ASPD was, quite frankly, never explained properly to my parents or I, and until I took my first class in psychology in university I really had no idea (hey Hare! I know that name! I wrote a checklist-thing years ago with that). The words "psychopath/sociopath" were never mentioned, though I do recall at some point writing the "Hare Psychopathy Checklist" (in one instance, the psychiatrist forgot to blank out the title), which I clearly lied on since the questions were obviously of a light which would negatively reflect on me. As for my parents, I actually doubt they even remember what the diagnosis was (other than the fact that I was given medication which had no effect, but obviously it wouldn't). As far as they were concerned, I had a classic case of being "a teenager". Since I didn't do drugs, drink alcohol, or had sex, "it could have been a lot worse".

      The worst offense I was committing, manipulation-aside, was that I often skipped class (I was both highly intelligent and bored, and would rarely attend). For quite a while it was thought I was simply not being stimulated enough, which made sense because in elementary school I was a straight-A student in spades. I was sent to special school for "gifted" teenagers, which I again skipped (again bored). That wasn't to say that the new material at the gifted school was too easy. It was in fact, rather hard. This eventually culminated to a decision the counselor gave me, which was either failing and repeating my current grade, or go into the next grade in the school's pilot International Baccaleureate (IB) program (my school didn't have AP classes due to it being a chronically underfunded and low/middle income public school). I chose to fail and repeat the grade. All I had to do was say accept the offer, without jumping through any hoops, and I would have been in an AP-level program of the next grade. Even though my marks were of the level to make me fail and repeat the whole grade. But I declined, because for me, it was too much effort for something I already had no interest in.

      As a mature adult, I would have chosen to "rough it" in the advanced classes. It would have led to scholarships (important for a low/middle income family already trying to pay for another sibling) and greater social and economic opportunities. Of course, as a teenage sociopath, I did not regret it. Though ironically, as an adult sociopath, while I "rationally" regret my decision, I don't "feel" regret for doing it.

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  21. Ever since I was little I have felt that I was better, smarter, more talented, more important than everyone else. Always, and mostly, I knew I was different, and for a long time I wanted to know how. I eventually settled that I was a genius, because, being very creative and talented it seemed at least to me to be obvious. There is nothing I cannot do and cannot do well if I put my mind to it. It wasn't until much later in life, when I was dating someone with considerable medical training, that she suggested maybe something wasn't quite right with me. She suggested Bi Polar Disorder, Autism and Aspergers, and then, and only once, Sociopathy. Needless to say, shortly after this she ended our relationship by way of text message. And this, finally, got me thinking that maybe I was. So I began reading some books, watching documentaries on the subject and realized I was a sociopath. I found this rather disconcerting because I despise sociopaths. They're inherently corruptible fascists and conservatards. My solution is to execute the lot of them, march them into gas chambers, burn them alive, tie them to cars and drag them across town, stab, shoot, behead, explode, by any means possible kill them. ALL of them. And here I was one of them. Needless to say, and true to the diagnosis, I have sought to distance myself from Them by asserting that I am better than them. I'm smarter. I realize the logic of NOT destroying civilization and the environment neither of which helps me any, especially while I'm still here, and I plan on, and fully intend to, be here for as long as is medically possible, which well could be centuries given medical advances expected in the coming decades. And, of course, I fully deserve to live forever. I have so much to offer if only the stupid people would get out of my way.

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  22. PROFESSOR[S] IN ARTICLE WAS/WERE SOCIOPATH[S] OR/AND PSYCHOPATH[S]; WHILE, STUDENT WAS LOGICAL, BUT NOT EXPERIENCED = IMPRESSIONABLE;SO, STUDENT GOT SCAMMED INTO THINKING THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH STUDENT, RATHER THAN OTHER STUDENTS AND THE PROFESSORS[S]WERE BUNCH OF SOCIOPATHS OR/AND PSYCHOPATHS, BECOMING MORE COMMON !!!

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