Thursday, February 3, 2011

Undercover

This is an account of a woman involved in eco-terroris groups taht falls in love with and marries a man who is an undercover policement sent to spy on her organizations, with hilarious parallels to empath/sociopath relationships in which the sociopath is "undercover":
[I]n June 1999, after a night in another pub, that Laura says she began to have a meaningful relationship with Boyling. "For the most part while he was undercover we had a blissfully in-love relationship," she says. "In the beginning I nearly broke it off because it almost felt too strong; he was a perfect blueprint for something I didn't even know I was looking for."
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Jim the Van was also known as "Grumpy Jim", and Laura says her boyfriend also raised eyebrows by a seeming reluctance to get involved in a sustainable activist culture, once refusing to help pick up rubbish at a campsite. "He was interested in disrupting, not building, it surprised me but I put down to immaturity." Despite a slight sense that he did not fit in, Laura never suspected her boyfriend was a police informant – except for on one occasion.

"It's such a cliche – but it was the way he was cleaning his walking boots," she said. "I suddenly thought, 'Who is this intruder?' – and then I came to and suddenly he was Jim again. It was such a brief moment and it made such little sense that I blanked it."
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She also says he encouraged her to cut ties with the activist community and wanted to "train" her in the art of deception. "He said the trick was to have a whole and detailed story but not tell too much of it," she says.

Boyling, however, may have struggled to balance his two lives.

"He said he missed that [activist] life – he said it was great because it was like being God. He knew everyone's secrets on both sides and got to decide what to tell who and decide upon people's fate."
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"Jim complained one day that his superiors said there was to be no more sexual relations with activists anymore – the implicit suggestion was that they were fully aware of this before and that it hadn't been restricted in the past," Laura says.

"He was scoffing at it saying that it was impossible not to expect people to have sexual relations. He said people going in had 'needs' and I felt really insulted. He also claimed it was a necessary tool in maintaining cover."

313 comments:

  1. Mata Hari's Love ChildFebruary 3, 2011 at 1:38 AM

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  2. A 'self-regulated' National Public Order Intelligence Unit? Oh dear.

    Alas, they only married and had children *after* he revealed himself to be a police officer to her - she knew who he was when she married him and she knew he was hiding their marriage from his superiors.

    She went along with the concealment *until* they divorced, then two years later she shopped him plus two other undercover police officers who slept with targets way back when because suddenly, 'infiltration ruins lives.' He's now in hiding after inexplicably shopping a fellow spy. Cue: major drama.

    Yes, it sucks that she slept with a man who gave her a false identity, and it was a gross invasion of privacy because it was a public protector who had targeted her in an undercover investigation, but she seems to have gone along with it all until it no longer benefited her.

    I'm not saying it's right for police to sleep with their targets, not at all, but why did she wait two years after their divorce to shop him and two other undercover officers? And why did he shop another spy at what appears to be the same time?

    A most curious story to keep an eye on.

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  3. This is shit. What can i learn from this ????

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  4. Jesus... it's like he doesn't even try anymore...

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  5. Oh, I see, there's currently a little Out-a-Spy media fest happening in Blighty.

    Well, she learned a thing or two about the importance of timing from him then...

    It's intriguing that she married him knowing he was a liar who in all probability didn't genuinely care for her cause.

    Could there have been a touch of Stockholm Syndrome operating in that she had positive feelings towards him for not shopping *her* for some sort of transgression? I wonder.

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  6. I guess the environment is going to shit.

    I saw a poster that said,"Breathing air in metropolitan areas can reduce your life expectancy by 2-3 years".

    I would imagine that not breathing the air would reduce it considerably more.

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  7. Sure don't sleep with them but in this case I can't think of a better way to get close

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  8. It's pretty clear that M.E. is now officially on vacation.

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  9. In the end what dose it matter how she felt. His hold lost its grip and she outed him... oops.

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  10. "Jim the Van was also known as "Grumpy Jim", and Laura says her boyfriend also raised eyebrows by a seeming reluctance to get involved in a sustainable activist culture, once refusing to help pick up rubbish at a campsite."

    So why the fuck did he take the job in the first place? That's like going undercover in the Hells Angels, and then saying "oh I'm not really into motorcycles".

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  11. Hey, Misanthrope, congrats on the sex change. Heard about it just now.

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  12. What sex change Medusa?

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  13. Why would you believe her retrospective details given that her motivations for shopping him appear to be that they got divorced?

    The whole thing sounds like a media smear campaign to me by a bitter ex-wife who, for unknown reasons, married a man whom she already knew to be a liar and a fake.

    What did she stand to gain by marrying someone who had already deceived her though?

    That's what I want to know, and why I'm interested in finding out more about who she is - or was, and now wants to distance herself from while indulging in a spot of post-marital revenge.

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  14. She's just taking the piss anon.

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  15. It's difficult to empathize for a woman that had strong suspicions about the man and still ultimately decided to marry. That she waited for years after their divorce to out him just sounds vindictive and bitter. Not that she didn't have reason to be, but she also knowingly made her own choices here.

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  16. Does anyone have any explanation for why I go into an internal turmoil, if not rage, when people act stupid even though their action has no implication on me personally?

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  17. Maybe it does have some subconscious implications. Some past history? Say, you always resented by being raised by stupid parents?

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  18. he writes to himself, 4th post down, baiting...... i did ask you lol

    all other anons are drunk and looking for a fight.

    good on u medusa - real

    nyt nyt
    x

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  19. Stupirage, it's called having a brain. It instinctively causes an aversion to stupidity, whether you like it or not. Yes, there aren't many with one, so you might feel alienated at times.

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  20. Like when he ^ speaks, I get angry about how stupid people really are.
    Sometimes dumb people are unbelievable.

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  21. I think they should take the highly intelligent and pamper them all the way into adulthood. The suckers should be servants to toy with for amusement.

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  23. To get angry at stupidity (of which I am very guilty of lately) is waste of time and is born of fear and a feeling of lack of control in your world.

    True intelligence suffer fools gladly, because it realizes that stupidity is not actually a threat to you.

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  24. "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein

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  25. and the clue was:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UmOY6ek_Y4

    =)

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  26. You sure are boring, MCTN.

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  27. May contain nuts is a faggot

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  28. UKan, your desired lifestyle is a reality in the middle east.

    Medusa, consider me surprised. And I thought you would take over even if just for a day and give us something worth complaining about. Some of us do miss you when you're gone, we're just not cool enough to admit it.

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  29. "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein

    Very well spoken for a dead man. Perhaps we can put a new twist on it.

    "Human beings, in their finest hour, are by far the greatest pestilence the world has ever seen. We are now considering the race's removal."

    Any rich and powerful sociopaths about? If you compensate me well enough I'll be your front man, AND the man who gets his hands dirty. I promise to thoroughly enjoy my servitude.

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  30. Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkmkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkjjjjkkkkkkmmkkkkkkkmklkkkkkkkool storybra

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  31. I was half tempted to jump on a plane and join the unrest. I'm only half surprised at the events unfolding. I knew we were heading for a global upheaval consididering we are now entering the age of information. This will be almost as great as the industrial age. Too bad its not muskets and bayonets. Something about that combination makes my heart race.

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  32. I agree that it's not really a bad scenario UKan. The only reason I would be tempted to jump on a plane would be to re-structure an existing faction and well, inherit 2 billion U.S. dollars yearly and deprive the people in a fashion they could better digest than the current regime. The muskets and bayonets don't excite me as much as they used to unfortunately. I find as of late that revenge plots are what make my heart race, and they're better than Peace Walker on PSP while taking a shit.

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  33. I joined a militant group opposing the establishment when I was in my teens, and that lasted until I walked out of prison for it. Actually I still was with it when I got out, because I wanted my hero status. I decided to try a different path to power.

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  34. My biggest goal in life is to fuck over every person who ever doubted me, make them so disgusted for ever disagreeing with me that they want to carry out suicide, I want to be so high up on the shelf that nobody can grab me.

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  35. The way i am now, or show myself in public comes off as shy, i mean, i don't walk around with my back hunched or head down, it's the opposite really, i like conversations but I'm not a load mouth by any means nor am i quiet, the only thing that gets me noticed is how i dress, I care very much about my appearance.

    Ive been trying to work on being more charismatic, i know as i am now I'm charming than most average people but i guess there are some experiences that crippled or arrested my ego, I'd never consider therapy, i hate letting other people dictate me, and i believe everything can be cured by yourself. When i walk into a room people will know, i carry myself with authority and an arrogance, people are always staring at me, I don't like criticism though, i am awfully sensitive to it.

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  36. well this is a slight improvement, Adam. i'm glad that Misanthrope attacked you yesterday, it's forced you into modifying your comments.

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  37. I attacked Misanthrope first i believe.

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  38. not trying to sound like a kiss ass, but he kinda thrashed you. you just gave up in the end, and everyone else turned against you. not that i have anything against you, just stating the obvious.

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  39. Yes, you are trying to sound like a kiss ass, that is exactly what you are sounding like, it's a blog argument nobody cares, I won either way.

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  40. yup, doesn't really matter. although you did kinda lose.

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  41. Why is noone else interested in the emotional capabilities of psychopaths, for people whos lives are notoriously empty, it surprises me that there are no discussions on creating enjoyable emotions such as love. Maybe I am the only one here who has read about Joseph Newmans attention deficit theory. If you want to see it it's here http://www.sociopathworld.com/2010/08/psychopaths-feel-emotions.html
    No wonder M.E. has stopped making meaningful posts, they get no attention.

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  42. Does anyone want to discuss the things which help them cope better, two of the things which have helped me function better in the past are
    1. Recalling memories and reevaluating situations, just general introspection
    2. What I call goal management, focusing on longer term goals, but incorperating short term goal into the larger picture to stop me getting demotivated
    I have more if people are willing to trade

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  43. Is love actually an enjoyable emotion? Every time I ask someone about they tell me it's consuming and can make them feel sick...

    Cope better with what? I like to not talk to anyone for a couple of days, chills me out.

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  44. We are actually living the life not reading about it in some book. In a room where the charismatic are sociopaths the topic will not be the point. It will constantly be subverted.
    There was a few things I was shy about when I was a lad. I got over it by doing crazy shit randomly to people. I didn't do anything violent, sadistic, or mean. I would just do random stuff like tell someone a entirely fabricated story with the straightest face, one time I just walked in some strangers house while they were watching the telly and sat down as they jumped up stunned, or another time I hid in someones trashcan that just got emptied and when they tried to pick it up I popped out and walked off like nothing happened.
    You may think these little back and forths on here don't matter, but they do. This is a game. You are either playing or you're getting played. If you didn't care you wouldn't be here.

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  45. I was thinking why I get controlling only in relationships I care about on the way home from school. At the beginning I'm not at all. Of course, the other person is throwing all the power at me, and doing everything they can to automate my life and I get use to it. However, even on that end I could hardly give a shit about some of them and they can do what they want. However, when I'm in a serious relationship I put the jackboot down. It is consuming because that person becomes yours. Some people don't call that love, but then again there they are sitting alone.

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  46. ... Sometimes UKan says good things.

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  47. I think thats selfish unrestricted love. Empath are possessive as well but their behavior tends to be tempered by 'feel good' chemicals. Mixed with lust this becomes a nauseating cocktail.

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  48. @I love tn
    Yes love is an enjoyable emotion, that is why the majority of people search for it. Cope better with holding down a job, long term relationships.
    @UKan
    I agree with you that psychopaths constantly subvert the conversation to what they want to talk about. The conversations on here have gotten more meaningless and off the point as time has gone by, daniel birdick was my favorite commenter, I felt like I could relate to what he had to say, not that you care. Anyway the comments section of this place has gone to shit. What are you talking about "we are actually living the life and not reading about it in some book" you mean the sociopath life? there is no sociopath life, a small scale study conducted on psychopaths outside of prison showed that most of them were middle classed and married. Anyway learning about psychopathy is probably one of the smartest things a psychopath could do, regardless of the other activities he engaged in.

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  49. I just walked in some strangers house while they were watching the telly and sat down as they jumped up stunned, or another time I hid in someones trashcan that just got emptied and when they tried to pick it up I popped out and walked off like nothing happened.

    Ha ha! This is sitcom material.

    And I knew you were IRA.

    I actually think Adam did pretty well yesterday. He's getting smarter.

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  50. I prefer to live the nomadic life, Ive been thinking of becoming a drifter lately, the prospect is exciting, i really couldn't give a crap about power at this point, I'm lazy.

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  51. Medusa, people who appear smart with all their technical terms, usually have a hard time getting things across in person.

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  52. What traits of ASPD do those of y'all experiencing them feel hold you back the most or bother you the most? How do you deal with them? (I'm thinking impulse and boredom primarily, but perhaps other things are more bothersome...)

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  53. What I've noticed about alot of people is that they seem slightly uncomfortable and apprehensive when they meet new people. They try not to make eye contact and they laugh nervously, but the more time you spend around them, the more comfortable they seem around you. I suppose that's shyness, but I've never really felt in that way. I dont feel uncomfortable in new situations and around new people and I never have. I know that feeling of wanting hide away, but I've only ever felt that when I am trying to hide something, and I'm in danger of being found out. If I am found I stop caring. I think that that's another form of shyness.

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  54. The worst part of being unable to plan ahead is you waste enormous amounts of time doing absolutely nothing or little.

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  55. Boredom. Unbelievable boredom.
    If I ever have a deep feeling that's it.

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  56. @ Misanthrope, so you never have feelings of inferiority ever?

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  57. How strong is the sociopaths ego? Is it brittle like the narcissists? If a person offered you intimacy would you shy away?

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  58. I don't get why people complain about the content of the comment section. Constant intellectual debate gets dry and dull if it's not interspersed with pointless games and frivolity. Don't forget that there's probably a lot of ADHD here, if you can't respect that, then get lost.

    Start your own high brow blog and ban those you think waste space.
    Good luck if you wanna surpass MEs blog in success though.
    Oh and stick around long enough, check the endless archives, and you'll find the stuff you need.
    ;D

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  59. No. I've always felt great about myself. For as long as I can remember I've felt like royalty. I know I have a massive ego, but I think thats a good thing.

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  60. I thought Daniel birdick was incredibly dull, he reminds me of a teacher or something.

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  61. Are you thinking of going into politics Misanthrope? Surely a man who feels little to no anxiety would perform flawlessly in that setting.

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  62. Big up the ADHD MASSSSIIIIIIVE! :)

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  63. Living the life, meaning we aren't poking around in books trying to be a sociopath.
    I hear you misanthrope. I just got in college, and what a strange experience. I never knew how fucked up people were around me till I came to this school and saw that these are what real normal people are like.
    I recently joined the business club at my school. I have a plan to take it over and the student council. The first meeting I was already planting seeds. I shook everyones hands before it started and asked them questions on their ideas. Through the meeting I asked every detail I could about what they are lacking (that's where I come in for the coup).
    They asked if I could help sell sandwiches. I can sell anything, little do they know. When I came up they were yelling 'sandwiches'. Me, I walked around to the front of the table and grabbed peoples hand in a handshake while subtlely pulling them towards the sandwiches, while telling them a joke about starving students. They sold out in record time.
    This accountant in the club (who is a aspie) told me I was the future of the club. He asked me where I learned to sell like that. I told him that my father was a salesmen (lie).

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  64. Ego:
    The difference between our ego and the narcs is that ours gets big from people telling us how great we are, narcs just tell themselves.

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  65. Having lived with both, i think a narcissist is worse.

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  66. Why does it say on profile of a sociopath - Only rarely in difficulty with the law?

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  67. I didn't know what they were called till a few years ago. I used to constantly get in violent conflicts with them. They are so envious. I used to call them big mouths. They talk so much about shit that's not even real.

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  68. They dress better. My ex socio had a thing for assless leather chaps.

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  69. Hey what's that analogy where something like a bad seed or something innocuous like that fucks up the whole machinery of stuff....

    Something about cogs, I think?

    Like how one bad douchebag can fuck up a whole system?

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  70. Shyness can be present in a sociopath, remember, the devil is sometimes mocked as nothing more than a self conscience fool.

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  71. Why do you go to college, UKan?

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  72. damn you for making me exert effort and log in to my account.
    No, he didn't like assless leather chaps. I suggested it though.

    i think narcs and socios either butt-heads or avoid each other. I've seen them in action, and it was sometimes very amusing.

    Medusa, it's 'a spanner in the works.'

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  73. Is it typical for a sociopath to have good fighting skills, i mean physically, i read that high testosterone levels are present so i am guessing they would have formidable strength.

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  74. I don't know about that. I have yet to see a shy sociopath. Even the wierdos like the serial killers have some kind of hustle that can only be persuasive with confidence. I think part of it is not seeking any approval.
    Take for instance I stopped coming to the club with my girlfriend. I have no intention of sleeping with other people. I get hit on more than anyone in there because I don't give a shit about the women there, I actually despise most of them and their insecurities they try to pass off.
    This lawyer bird kept telling me that I was the most beautifal man she's seen. That's not a word you use for men by the way, ladies. She was telling me (I didn't get it for a second the way she explained it) that I'm like those girls that get whatever they want from people at the club. After explaining my masculinity, I figured out what she was saying. I told her that I used to get ladies to get guys to buy them drinks and have them pass it to me. She laughed. A hour later she came back with a drink.....my bodyguard made me dump it.

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  75. I don't mean shyness, more so of coming off as sincere.

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  76. Medusa, it's 'a spanner in the works.'

    Must be a UK thing, as I've never heard that one before. But thank you.

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  77. I started going because I know I don't have long yet till I'm caught. I have a price on my head right now and I might not make it if I go back in again. I also care about my fiance and want to reproduce someone I can raise from ground level. I also have a plan to gain power though business since the militiant thing didn't turn out. I was also bored sitting five days a week playing video games and smoking pot till club day. My business is also taking off so I have a lot of money and nothing todo but fuck it off, which I need to avoid cuz I will be back in prison again.

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  78. "Wrench in the works" in america
    a spanner is a type of wrench.

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  79. I would only go to college, if it was the best college in the state.

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  80. "wrench in the cog" is one.

    But I think there is one about sand or a pebble or a seed or something.

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  81. When your a abuser, you make liars out of people, my aunt has become a compulsive liar ever since i moved in with her, she has to lie about things to stop me from degrading her, example she tried to get on my good side today, she called me into the kitchen and showed me this site that was selling whack Ralph Lauren polo shirts and Armani, i knew it was fake right away, i told her it was fake and asked her why she was wasting my time, she lied to avoid an argument and said that she knew a ton of people in the neighborhood who bought clothing from the website and they are legit, i asked her for the names of some of the people who bought things, she then reached into her pocket and took out a cigarette, right away i knew she was getting more nervous, i wasn't letting it go, i wasn't that angry but i wanted to fuck with her head for lying to me, i told her to go up stairs and watch TV in her room, while i had the living room to myself.

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  82. sand in the cogs maybe
    cogs are like teeth on a gear
    don't know

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  83. I haven't been in school since I was fifteen. That's fourteen years ago. I can't get in the best college yet. I mean look at my grammar and spelling. Its terrible. That's why I'm in the business club. There's a international competition for it, and I'm going to win. the best college in the world will take me when they see my potential and my grades. Fail that I will try the old way. Threats, bribes, or blackmail. I won't go that route unless I need to though. I want to make this the one thing I've done right and did not cheat.
    I'm even using my real identity. I haven't used my real name in so long that it feels odd.
    Fun fact: I went to my engagement party on Tuesday and my fiances side of the family kept calling me by my alias. They asked my family why I had two names and they told them that I am constantly changing names for some reason. "Probably something to do with the entertainment business."

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  84. I don't get it adam. Who is the abuser? She sounds like she is lying. Did she abuse you?

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  85. I don't know. Just thinking but isn't it better to keep the family on the good side or do you just have one of those families that will help no matter what?

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  86. She was lying UKan, i was saying she has to do it now, to stop me from brutalizing her. Does your girlfriend not lie to you to stop you from losing your temper?

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  87. Adam, watch your game. I would not fuck with my providers that much unless I had another one lined up. But dude, your kind of abuse is so dull, there's nothing clever or intricate about it. The best abuse is a fine art. Yours is a finger painting.

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  88. That's what i meant by shy, at the start, when i first moved in with her she was sending me down to the store to get things for her, but i was taking note of what kind of person i was dealing with, it's not shyness more so a cautiousness after i saw her taking lip from other people not even half as imposing as me, i decided to drop the act, now she is going to the store for me.

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  89. I'll agree that its hard to not take advantage of that.

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  90. Your wrong, I love tn, nothing scares the shit out of people like physical threats, she knows what i can do, her sister told her, she is afraid of her life, she would rather die than talk out about what I am doing to her, the only reason she let me into the house is because to people who don't know me personally see me as a modest normal person, she didn't believe her sister about me, she said what all her kind say "he's a good kid, stop harassing him" you can talk about your gas lighting and other weirdo abuse but nothing rules like an iron fist.

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  91. I was thrown out of the last school I went to when I was 15. College feels alot like school, only with more mature people. It was fun at first, but lately I've been getting agitated in the middle of the day, and sometimes I just leave randomly. It's the same agitated feeling I used to get at schools, not long before I was expelled from them. Last week I forgot my ID badge and the fucking security guard wouldn't let me in. I ended up spouting abuse at him, and then I just left. I know its only a matter of time before I smash something up or get into a fight, and then they'll kick me out. I dont care though, I'll just find something else to do.

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  92. She goes silent to keep me losing my temper. She's been the only girlfriend that's been able to stop me from losing it. I say really terrible things to her that cuts deep. I don't want to, but if she back talks I can't help it. Its like I'm drunk. You know when you do something dumb or crazy when your drunk? When I get angry I try to tell myself I'm just losing it, but it gets so crazy I can't control myself.

    I keep my family on the good side. I told them I'm in the music business, but I think they know. They asked why I needed a bodyguard if i wasn't famous. I told them that all the stuff that I went to prison for created enemies, which is half truth. I don't need their help, but I still want their approval. At the end of the day I'm sure no matter how much I hated my father his approval still matters.

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  93. off-topic alert - on the topic of love (above, i love tn). can't say i find it enjoyable. Being in love disorientates me, i lose myself in it. The incredible highs are matched by terrible lows. I will say this, i think i experience more pleasure and salvation from it than most. But i wouldn't call love enjoyable. It's far too intense and consuming for that.
    It gives me life and takes it away, so what can i say about it. It's not a lovely little hobby. It's insanity. Maybe that's just me.
    My kind of love ain't normal or healthy i suspect. :P

    But once i've been in love, truly in love, I'm thankful anyhow. It changes and matures you.

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  94. I know it sound weird, but Medusa and notme are the types of relationships I've had. My fiance now is a mix between the two.

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  95. The difference between a sociopathic bully and a normal bully is that the normal bully will come into his new job acting like the bully right away, the sociopath will be modest at first, we will pick you apart in private, the victim will get angry and no one will believe him because the sociopath has already set up a plan B, he has charmed the rest of the workers, he called this bully victim a freak and a loner and they all went along with him, now they are backing him up. It's the same when my aunts friends come around the house, i listen in on the conversation by putting the sound on the TV down, she tells her friends that she thinks something is deeply wrong with me and they will say "Oh stop, Adam? He's such a great kid" then I'll walk in and act like I'm upset and say "Why are you treating me like I'm an evil person? It's not like I'm out stealing cars or killing people" and her friends will agree with me.

    It's like the girl who saw the monster in the cupboard but every time she tries to show other people it exists it doesn't show up. I can imagine how creeped out she must feel when her friends drive out from the house, she walks back in and I'm sitting down cackling to myself.

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  96. She shut down because of your tone. You sound allot like I used to be Adam. I eventually figured out that people shut down not because I was right or wrong but because I was not about to hear anything they were going to say next. It wouldn't have mattered if she gave you names you wouldn't have believed her or cared. At that point it was about being right. Most normal people can't stand being in an argument they can't win. After all whats the point.

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  97. Adam "Nothing rules like an iron fist" You may be right but wheres the fun in it? Making people scared of you keeps them in line (for a while at least) And more importantly having people who want to help you and think they're doing it out of their own free will just works better.
    But then, physical threats have never really affected me. My brother does a lot of it but I know if it comes to it I'm a lot more ruthless.
    I see making physical threats as a weakness though, it either means you're not clever enough to think of any better way of manipulating or you're so easy to control all I have to do it say a few words and you'll go nuts and make whatever threats pop into your head, which is always amusing.

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  98. Hopefully I'm old enough on that I won't get to crazy on shit like that misanthrope. I'm used to having things my way though. Like this guy came over in my way in my dance class and tried to crowd me. I pushed him and he fell. I told the professor it was a accident, but it wasnt . He was in my space, and the only reason he moved up front to where I was at was because he was brown nosing.

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  99. Trust me tn, there are few as manipulative as me, we are talking about women here not you or me, empathic women, i take the easy way in every situation.

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  100. Notme, everyone I ask describes it like this. I can not imagine what you really get out of it. What is it about 'being' with another person that's so important. What do they give you?

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  101. HAHA UKans posts are always so comical
    I dislike Adams posts because they always make me focus on how he is hurting others, I can't relate with abusing people for the sake of abusing people.

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  102. It's like the girl who saw the monster in the cupboard but every time she tries to show other people it exists it doesn't show up. I can imagine how creeped out she must feel when her friends drive out from the house, she walks back in and I'm sitting down cackling to myself.

    *shudders*

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  103. Adam, Lol. I am a woman. And for me it's all about the game. The easiest route's not always the most fun. Not to mention if you've got a history of people calling you abusive, even if no one believes them, it's there and people talk. Comes back to bite you.

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  104. I'm impatient, i like to get things over and done with, you sound like you are afraid of confrontation, your type of abuse is good for a fictional crime novel, unfortunately it doesn't work in the real world.

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  105. I don't sit around planning elaborate manipulation methods like some sort of evil genius, every thing i do happens without me planning it, and it flows together perfectly, if i lived in your house for a week, I'd have every one of you doing what i say.

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  106. I love tn is right. You use enough of them up people will eventually start to listen. Besides It sounds to me like you'v got one tool and its a hammer. Smashing shit is fun but eventually no one is going to want you around. Its more fun to help some one build something then smash it. Allot more devastation for your time.If you do it right they wont blame you and come out smelling like a fucking rose.

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  107. Don't really do afraid, confrontation is usually unnecessary or ineffective. Confrontation leads to anger which leads to destruction.
    "Fictional crime novel" My entire life begs to differ.

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  108. Oh and if you pulled that shit in anyones house where I'm from you would likely end up ans pig shit.

    Where'd Adam go... lol
    Oh he was just gone one morning haven't seen him.

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  109. It's not like i am constantly brutalizing her, it can't be like that, when i think I'm going overboard I'll do something kind, if i was a one tricky pony I'd be homeless.

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  110. The "if i lived in your house for a week" line is a real treasure. You wouldn't stand a chance my arrogant little bunny rabbit. It sounds like I'm angry doesn't it... But really, if you knew my family you'd be giggling like me.

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  111. After a string of bad relationships I realize no one remembers the good shit.

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  112. "Don't really do afraid, confrontation is usually unnecessary or ineffective. Confrontation leads to anger which leads to destruction."

    You sound like a robot.

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  113. Oh and if you pulled that shit in anyones house where I'm from you would likely end up ans pig shit.

    The difference is i can get away with it, you can't, you have no idea what kind of shit i get away with, other people wouldn't be able to do it, you are either born with it or your not, thankfully i am blessed.

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  114. What exactly does a robot sound like?

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  115. So I guess you sociopaths haven't heard this song
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnPnEvy4e70

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  116. I put hands on my fiance twice. Once when I tried to throw her off a dock in good fun. The other was when we were drunk, playfighting, and she kicked me in the head. Unless you have some dumb bitch (you know who you are) who takes a beating all the time you will have to switch it up.

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  117. You don't know what I'm capable of. lol Its okay your just a child that can't help yourself. Probubly a raging alcoholic too.

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  118. ... I think I just won. I've gotta stop doing that, it gets so monotonous.

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  119. No nt, I'm just ignoring your bullshit. You know what I meant.

    The funniest thing about the women who take the beatings is how they make excuses for their partners behaviour.

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  120. How do the rest of you feel when you see a "weak" person?

    I watched a documentary on curt cobain a while back and i was sick to my stomach, what a loser he is everything i despise in a human being.

    When i was in kindergarten puppies got brought in for a day, all the kids were saying how adorable they were, i kept telling my friend how i wanted to smash their head in with a hammer, i kept grabbing one by the throat when the others weren't looking. I thought all the others wanted to kill them too, i was furious when my friend told me he didn't want to kill them.

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  121. I wasn't talking about you Misanthrope.

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  122. 'Notme, everyone I ask describes it like this. I can not imagine what you really get out of it. What is it about 'being' with another person that's so important. What do they give you?'

    lots and lots of sex and then a baby. :D
    Um, i can't really describe it without sounding mushy, on a sociopath blog no less.

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  123. The more vulnerable the puppy was the more i wanted to smash its head in.

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  124. Like I said about my girlfriends, notme and medusa.

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  125. Disgusted and just a little, disappointed.
    And yes we've all wanted to kill shit, old news. What get's me is people keeping things as pets. Cats play with their prey before they kill it, you think that's cute?

    Notme you can get lots of sex anywhere lol. Hmm, yeah that could be a problem.

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  126. lol Ukan, I didn't imagine you'd go to a dance class.

    What are you saying Ukan, me and Medusa must be quite different, right?
    Was one of your exes BPD by any chance? Or what?

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  127. yeah, but i wouldn't a baby with just anyone now would I?

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  128. I don't mind having a pet as long as it isn't vulnerable, i can't help but abuse animals if they are weak, my aunt has a bitch, I'm not big into dogs but it looks sort of like a poodle, i can't stand it, i torture it when she isn't looking, i think she is on to me though, the dog keeps jumping up on her when i walk into the room.

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  129. I dunno, would you? I'd select the someone with the best genes and highest intelligence. :)

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  130. I don't really like dogs. They have no self-respect.

    This is why I have a cat.

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  131. Don't even get me started on cats.

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  132. god i can't type today, i meant i wouldn't want one with just anyone.
    god i'm sleepy

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  133. My arrogant little bunny rabbit?

    That's the best insult I've seen in a while.

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  134. Find a boyfriend? Are you ugly?

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  135. You do understand that the torture of animals is considered amateur around here, yes?

    When do you think you will be able to move on to bigger and better pastures, beyond aunt-torturing and puppy strangling?

    You can only sustain that for so long before even you will get bored of that and it bites you in the ass, especially when you get so bored that you just go too far.

    You have to move on and 'grow up' in the oxymoronic sociopath sense, at some point.

    Yes?

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  136. Ha, I was gonna say it Medusa... But maybe should leave him with a little of his delusions of grandeur.

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  137. You've killed a ton of insects, the only difference is that a cat is bigger.

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  138. Look at nature, you don't see the tigers fighting each other, they prey on the weak and miserable.

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  139. I'm not the one with a diagnosis, as you know, I leave that to the professionals. I'm just saying as a type that I recogniZe and deal with its these two birds.

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  140. Adam the point wasn't "killing stuff is bad' it was, poking poodles and spitting in soup are things we did as five year olds.

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  141. ^ my previous comment was for 7:32.

    Tigers prey on the weak because they need to eat food. There is no point it making it more difficult for themselves by seeking out the strong, otherwise they would have died out long ago.

    Basic survival, and irrelevant to whatever your point is.

    And FYI, they do fight each other over territory and mates.

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  142. Okay, here is my second argument ready? I don't care, I'm going to abuse it anyway.

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  143. I love confrontation. I like seeing people fuming and turning red, letting loose threats and whatever else they want to get off their chest. I'm standing there, instigating the damn thing, and looking forward to what's going to happen next.

    It's perfectly fine to use subtlety and have people adore you before you start shit. It works well with family/professional situations. But spur of the moment scenarios? I won't hesitate. It's just too goddamn fun.

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  144. Medusa, you basically destroyed the foundation for my rationalization, good job, i said that every time i did something bad to someone, "Oh the tigers prey on the weak" i need a new one!

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  145. well. Is that it? I mean how old are you? wouldn't it be more entertaining to kill it. It seems rather obvious that have nothing better to do.

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  146. You consist mostly of rationalizations. I'm quite sure you will be able to figure out a replacement.

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  147. well start killing things and you can start calling it natural selection.

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  148. I'll use the classic "It's just a cat", yeah that's it now.

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  149. Killing it is what I/'d go for, squealing and whining? I'll take the quiet thanks.

    I love arguments and winding people up till they can't even make sense anymore, that IS fun, ah, to watch them flounder uselessly until they have to shut up or leave, beautiful. But physical confrontation with people you have to live and work with. No point.

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  150. Pulse if you kill it you get to watch the people around you suffer for it.

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  151. I saw one of my mate's status' on facebook the other day was "Has just lost a best friend and much loved family member. Miss you so much. I love you ben."... Ben was their DOG.

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  152. I have no problem being confrontational with some of my co-workers, now. I've mapped out most of their social branches through observation and data-mining, and know who is off limits, and who is free play.

    The wonder part about complete idiots is they rarely have loyal, meaningful friends in power at a place of work. Everyone is too caught up in their image and reputation to let themselves be dragged down by that scum.

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  153. I'm not afraid of confrontation, nor do I avoid it. I will create confrontation in the face of idiocy, or when someone tries to play me as the fool.

    I cannot suffer fools gladly. I try, I do, but it only lasts for so long.

    No matter how much I try to hold back, it comes out eventually, even if it's a year later.

    I just did it today, and I may or may not pay for it. But the payment would be angry idiots and sychophants, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

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  154. I like to earn my leadership, medusa, so I like women who question me. I like women who don't take me for granted, are absotely loyale and are submissive, so that would go with notme.

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  155. I'd love to but it's my aunts, and everything points to me, i gave up drinking at the weekend ever since i moved in with her, i get violent streaks when i drink, this one time, me and my buddy went to this small park after drinking, we saw this homeless guy sleeping on a bench, i knew right away i had to do something to him, i took the glass bottle i was drinking and smashed it across his face, we kicked him a couple of times and ran off, it was an amazing rush, i am constantly doing things like that when I'm drunk if you aren't you are missing out.

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  156. You're about as subtle as a brick in a window. I love it.

    Cheers

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  157. That was not addressed to Adam, by the way.

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  158. Aww. Come on... You can pull it off. Your blessed... Remember. I thought you were in charge.

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  159. I'm more subtle in real life and am the nice tolerant girl up until the point that I can't stand it anymore.

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  160. Yeah... you know when I said you gotta act and use subtlety and careful manipulation to get what you want. Thats so you can do shit like kill her dog and no one would suspect you. Oh dude. I think your infallible plan of inspiring fear backfired on your ass. Damn...

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  161. If she can't find the cat she cat prove it. Not to mention no one will believe her... right. Then you get to feed of the pain of the lost cat for a while. Strangle the little bastard. watch it struggle. It'll be so satisfying.

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  162. When I get past the point of tolerance I dig deep with a sharp knife and twist. Not subtle at all.

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  163. OR dog. even better. People are way more attached to there dogs.

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  164. See, I'm not into dramatics likes these two. I'm into subtle control. I'm more about womens empowerment, probably because the insurgency in my country promoted it, as did my father.

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  165. UKan you sound like the least subtle person here (bar Adam). And have you totally forgotten the discussion that went down the other day

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  166. Dramatics only causes problems. It gets you the wrong kind of reputation. I know all too well.

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  167. That's the problem with passive-aggressiveness. Difficult to figure out who you are trying to target, but you are obviously trying to target something.

    What's the point of doing that, unless you have a fear of confrontation? Trying to appear subtle yourself? What?

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  168. Sometimes it's a blessing and a curse to see things others don't. It must be relaxing to have such a simple mind.

    I'm not going to explain. I want to see how this plays out.

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  169. Medusa is the anti glib.

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  170. I don't know about that UKan, a lot of your stories are pretty damn dramatic.

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  171. Maybe Adam and UKan are similar because they are the real ones?

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  172. stop imitating me, it don't work dammit.

    hmm, Ukan. :P

    i get ya. i could kick you in the testicles if you like. the submissive, loyal ones can be right pains in the arse. :)

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  173. Back to the tools metaphor. You can't always be subtle and you cant always be dramatic. There is also allot in between the two. Everybody has their favorite tool but only a fool thinks it will work for everything.

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  174. Oh Adams going places. Its not long before hes picken up fags and hiding there body's in his room at his aunt's.

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  175. I hate passive agressive. I tell my girl why im angry, even if I know its ridiculous. She understands. She knew the day she hid the guns under the couch cushions.
    It is dramatic, but dramatic becomes normal after a while. I know it sounds like more of the same, but I really want to just move on. She doesn't believe me, and neither do you. I am really trying. I learned to act a certain way to make it. I think I can still unlearn it.

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  176. Notme if you kicked me in the nuts, you would be gone. I tolerate some things, but others in dont.

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  177. Ukan. Aren't you going into business?

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  178. UKan. What is your favorite sport?

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  179. i'm joking. A slap is pretty hard for me unless someone begs me.
    So you admit, you like that i'm naive! :P i come as a package after all.
    hehe. gotcha. ;)

    Now i want a smoke...

    btw, you say i'm naive, i say innocent not naive - there may be a difference there my friend. :P

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  180. Then you shouldn't need to change that much. Its just some readjusting. I mean I know that you can't just take um out in the ally and shoot um any more but the same kind of veracity that made you successful as you are, should carry over the the business world nicely. Or is that not what you mean?

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  181. contextually don't they both mean inexperienced unaffected and/or gullible?
    naive and innocent I mean

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  182. i'm starting to appreciate the art of fighting/boxing etc.
    what i DON'T for the life of me get, is fake fighting. WWF and stuff where they dance fight without actually doing any real damage. What in the name of god is the point in that? It's silly and totally unsatisfying even if i do always cheer for the one losing. lol

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  183. You better get used to it, your husband is going to be kicking you around the kitchen in the near future.

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  184. That shit is designed for the more inbred of american society. In-genies if you ask me. How else are you going to exploit the red-necks of this fine country? well... besides cheap piss water beer.

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  185. I never dragged people in the alley to murder them. I'm not justifying myself either. If I was by myself and they knew who I was I wouldn't be talking to you. That's self defense. At the end even the establishment understood that. Don't judge me. In your country I'm sure you have a militarry, and I'm sure you don't hold them to what they've done as a patriot.

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  186. It's theatre rather than actual fighting. It's about entertainment.

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  187. JB, um, i think i was just being pedantic to sound a bit better. :)
    i'm not gullible. I was till i hit about 13. I'm both cynical and childlike - can't bloody help it. not really much in between.

    yeah thanks tik - is that to me? i don't tolerate physical abuse, believe me, i have proof of that.
    but cheers for those beautiful words.~

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  188. UKan. I heard you like boxing, i am a boxer and i would beat the shit out of you, want to fight?

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  189. I know it sounds like more of the same, but I really want to just move on. She doesn't believe me, and neither do you. I am really trying.

    I do believe you, actually.

    I meant drama in general, not romantic drama. Your club stories and all.

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  190. how is that entertaining? It's utterly insipid. If that's what entertains people then no wonder i find people so mind-numbing, it's cos they're minds are numb! I don't like fake, pale representations in any context.

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