Successful relationship with a sociopath?

It probably depends on your definition of success. From a reader:
Thank you for your site. Every other website about sociopathy I have read describes the sociopath as an evil unfeeling predatory monster out to steal your life, money, and children while raping your mother and pouring sugar in your gas tank.
My boyfriend is a sociopath. He told me that towards the beginning of our relationship. While that has resulted in problems in the relationship (understandably, mostly MY problems-he didn't see anything wrong), I have found that communication and understanding has made the relationship possible. We know that there are just some things about each other that we will never understand. He doesn't get how I can be so upset over something like a relative getting cancer ("he's smoked for years, WTF were you expecting?), and I don't get that he can't see that that response out of him doesn't help at all, and can't "feel my pain" as it were.
I know when to back off and let him have his temper tantrums when he gets frustrated or whatever it is that sets him off on a yelling spree.
I know that if I were to loan him a chunk of money, I would never see it again. Even if he said I would. So I don't.
I've learned to expect the unexpected from him.
I've learned when to ask him for something he doesn't like doing (putting on his "normal person" mask and hauling him off to visit my mother, for example), and when to just drop it and go see mom by myself because it will be more pleasant for everyone involved.
I've learned that when he says he loves me, he can't mean it in the same way that I love him; but that doesn't make whatever he is experiencing insincere or false.
Back to you, m.e. Reading more insights in to how sociopaths think has been extremely helpful in trying to understand what I should expect, what I should ask for, and what I need to accept is simply him- unchangeable, undeniable, just like his eye color or height.
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Dr. Scholls says...
ReplyDeleteThen that means this reader is nurturing her boyfriend’s nature. That's not a bad idea when you think about it. If the socio knows that his true self isn’t at risk and he can be himself with/around her. But more importantly, she knows what this means and doesn’t push too hard for him to change/pretend. That’s ideal. At least until he fucks her mother while pouring sugar in her gaping asshole because the opportunity presented itself.
LMFAO!!! now that was funny.
ReplyDeleteWhy would a person want to live in that environment? Why stay with an outed sociopath? I don't understand.
ReplyDeletedepends on the sociopath....not all are out to destroy your life, maybe just toy with you a bit, like a cat playing with a toy mouse. you can have a good witch or a bad witch but in the end, its still a witch. which would you rather deal with?
ReplyDeleteIsnt loving someone really about accepting them...faults and all. Sociopaths are human too, eveyone deserves to be loved and find someone who understands (or atlest tries their hardest)...I think its awesome that this poster has tried to see beyond the label and tries to love the person, warts and all :)
ReplyDeleteIsnt loving someone really about accepting them...faults and all.
ReplyDeleteNo, that's blind obsession, but once a person starts accepting "faults" they're no longer seen faults to the person accepting them, rather minor annoyances/quirks. Not that there's anything wrong with that, unless, like Dr. Scholl said, someone gets fucked, and not in the pleasant way.
LOL @ Dr. Scholl's comment. Thank you for that, dearly.
ReplyDeleteThis post reminded me of something I once said to a person with similar traits...
"Maybe instead of lowering my standards, you should make yours higher.."
Meaning you dont have to settle if you dont want to...if you want to, then that's all good too..
For me, having a gf is more of a possession kind of thing. While she does love me, i cannot love back, but she does not realize that. Anyone else in a relationship like this? Or do you wives/girlfriends know you can't love them?
ReplyDeleteDr. Scholls says...
ReplyDeleteYOU'RE WELCOME!
For me, having a gf is more of a possession kind of thing. While she does love me, i cannot love back, but she does not realize that. Anyone else in a relationship like this? Or do you wives/girlfriends know you can't love them?
ReplyDeleteYes. I think they've finally come to terms with the fact that I dislike saying that I love them, because they know that the concept means nothing to me. I can do things that they would like because it's the closest thing; doing simple tasks, paying for things and giving practical advice.
Unfortunately, most peoples' definition of love includes emotional coddling and putting others' interests before one's own; two things I have the most difficulty doing, and almost never do with any sincerity.
To Ishtar: that is exactly what happens to me. Sometime I do put their opinions before my own, but only if it leads to sexual gratification and things like that. I come first.
ReplyDeleteTo Ishtar: that is exactly what happens to me. Sometime I do put their opinions before my own, but only if it leads to sexual gratification and things like that. I come first.
ReplyDeleteI see the relationship as more as a mutual exchange. Not to mention, I personally don't believe in true altruism, since normal people do seemingly altruistic things for personal gain as well (to feel good about doing "good" things or for the esteem). It's not so much an imbalance, as it is a difference in goals. If neither person takes issue, then there really is no problem.
To Ishtar: there is no way for us to comprehend "love" and we will just wonder why people "love" and do these "good things to feel good." It will remain a mystery. Why would doing good things make one feel good? Sure I have done "good" things, but never gained pleasure or happyness from it.
ReplyDeleteTo Poster above: Do u ever let your victims/partner know upfront that you are incapable of loving them? Do you have multiple partners and lie to them all that you love them?
ReplyDeleteSaint: Doing good things makes me happy.
ReplyDeleteSociopath: You're such a selfish bastard.
cat: meow!
ReplyDeletesocipath: here kitty...
cat: meow?
sociopath:where are you?
cat: meow!
sociopath:(clicks safety off)kitty?
cat:(rubs against sociopath's leg) purrrrr...
sociopath: (picks up cat) hey there! (throws the car up in the air and aims)
BANG! THUD!
Anonymous: Empath: The sky is blue.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous: Sociopath: You're lying to yourself. There's no such thing as blue.
Anonymous: Empath: You're an idiot.
Sociopath: Stop talking to yourself, retard.
To Poster above: Do u ever let your victims/partner know upfront that you are incapable of loving them? Do you have multiple partners and lie to them all that you love them?
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't say that they are "victims" per say, but more like partners/possessions. And I have told my partner that I cnnot love them, and they accept that. Not quite sure how long it will take before she will gets annoyed that I can't love her back, but it will definately happen. Or when she finds out she is a possession. Oh well, it's all in good fun.
thanks for the post..I am married to a S and this is the first time I have read of anyone else who truly tries to understand and live with and love a S. My S needs to feel loved, adored and understood in order to maintain a sense of normalcy. To me, he is worth all of these. His anger can get triggered pretty easily but we are both able to move on from any arguements and get back to feeling close quickly. We talk a lot and that is the key to why this works. I try to understand his perspective the best I can and he mine.. But sometimes we don't and were able to let it just be a difference of opinion. He's my heart. He is complex..difficult, childish, intuitive and shrewd. I am also emotionally difficult to deal with and he's been the only one able to "tame" me. We make it work and life is always interesting.
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ReplyDeleteHis anger can get triggered pretty easily but we are both able to move on from any arguements and get back to feeling close quickly.
Who is feeling close? You? What is that saying? There are fools and there are damned fools.
Sounds like me and my wife.
ReplyDeleteI think it's hilarious how other sociopaths are saying "Oh you poor darlings!" when normal people get themselves caught up with our "special gang".
She doesn't try to change me, and I don't try to change her.
It can happen, you know. A sociopath is only lonely if he forces himself to be so, and we aren't all that stupid.
I can do things that they would like because it's the closest thing; doing simple tasks, paying for things and giving practical advice.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, most peoples' definition of love includes emotional coddling and putting others' interests before one's own; two things I have the most difficulty doing, and almost never do with any sincerity.
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Original poster, I read you as young. If you accept what this P says above, then I would ask you: What is it you want from this "relationship" and for what duration?
Some exchange of services for a finite amount of time will work if that works for you.
But, if you keep going this way LIFE will get in the way. You will end up knowing pain and devastation beyond your worst nightmare:
>> What happens when you are the one with cancer?
>> What happens if you ever NEED a partner who loves the way that normal humans can (ex. if you were to have a child would you want it raised by a P father?)?
>> Sh*t happens: What about when you can't hold up your end in the exchange of services?
(PS I don't think that this is a real poster. I suspect someone enjoys this.)
Anon @ 2:44AM
ReplyDeleteLet me ask you something. What makes a relationship with a "normal" person any different from a "P"?
A relationship from my perspective seems more realistic to how relationships truly are; they all consist of some sort of exchange, be it emotional or material.
I may just as well sense being slighted for providing emotional support without getting anything in return the same way someone "normal" would feel when they give more material things than they receive emotionally. How is this any different from two "normals" feeling slighted by each other for not being emotionally supportive of one another?
In fact, it's actually very easy to keep us around as long as you know what we want. It could be as simple as keeping the place clean, paying your half the the expenses, and leaving us alone when we don't want your company.
I grew up with a "P" father, and he provides for everything I need as long as I provide simple material things for him in return, such as doing well in school and life to boost his reputation. Not only is that beneficial for him, but for my future success as well.
Now think of how difficult it is to gauge "love" compared to material things. Considering how skewed peoples' perception of love is, it's no wonder so many marriages end in divorce simply because someone "feels" that the other doesn't love them anymore based on an unreliable reference point such as "love."
I have been in a relationship with what I believe to be a sociopath. He started with very intense feelings and flattery. Then moved onto wanting to be with me more and more. Once we had sex he left the relationship within a two day period. His texts got shallower and shallower. Then he got mean. Because I didn't understand what the hell was going once he apoligized and all that I went back with him, said he would prove to me he loved me. He had a relationshipe with someone before me and this woman pulled and pushed him. Never really committing to him because she had her own issues to work out. He tells me she brought out feelings in him he never felt before and I don't give him those feelings and he wants that again. His ex-wife warned me he was a sociopath but of course I didn't get it. Anyway, the relationship took form again and the same happened. Both times added up to a month. He brought me up then took it all away when he was done with me. Im being conservative with details. He owes me alot of money so I want to make sure he pays me. And of course in some way I want to be with him and make it work. I know in my mind that will never happen. I wish I could give him a taste of his own medicine but Im sure that would do nothing to him. Any feedback is welcome. Thanks. Interesting blog.
ReplyDeleteI doubt you're qualified to diagnose any asshole you meet as a "sociopath."
ReplyDeletePeople love giving excuses for why relationships fail. "Oh he was a [alleged] sociopath, it wasn't my fault, I'm the victim!" Have you ever considered that there's something wrong with you? Histrionics and Borderlines tend to attract people with sociopathic tendencies.
Yes, I do have issues and am going to therapy more now then ever. I guess your right maybe I was attracted to this guy because of my own problems. But I never experienced this style of relationship before. I'm not qualified to say he is or he isn't a sociopath. But I'm leaning towards he is. I was warned by his ex-wife that he is. She knows him more than anyone. My therapist believe he is too after telling him all the details. He will call me from time to time to check on me. Those are his words. Plus he owes me a lot of money which he said he would pay. I just want to know how to approach and communicate with him so I get my money and i don't want to piss him off because he does have a history of violence. And if course all I want to do is tell him off. Thank you for your feedback.
ReplyDeleteWhat's more important, your money or your safety?
ReplyDeleteI knew you were going to say that!! I was hoping you would give me some insight on how to munipulate him into seeing me as friend not an object. And then he would not be so mean to me and pay me the money he owes. But I also know that there would be an opportunity to be with him again and the money is a good excuse. My safety is more important of course. I keep thinking there is a way to get into his head. But I know this is a waste of time. Thank you for your honesty. Even tho this man hurt me with his fantasies and promises I will forget him in time.
ReplyDeleteYou've contradicted yourself more times than I can count. Judging by that alone, manipulating a supposed sociopath seems rather far-fetched.
ReplyDeleteYes Im sure Im contradicting myself. My feelings and thoughts about this man are inbivilant to say the least. But I didn't post or ask about me..I need feedback on HIM. Maybe there is nothing more to ask though. Maybe I just need to let go and if he pays then Im lucky.
ReplyDeleteBut I didn't post or ask about me
ReplyDeleteYour desire for revenge makes the reason why you're even here all about you.
Ok. I get with that. So what's your suggestion?
ReplyDeletep.s.He texted me and told me he would pay me off in a 3 week period. he said "in three weeks you won't have to deal with me anymore" So I have to wait 3 weeks...that sucks!
Sucks for you.
ReplyDeletelol..yes it does! Im a jerk. that's that.
ReplyDeleteIf a person is a sociopath do they ever change because the right partner came along? Can they ever end up falling in love and feel feelings they never did befor? Like guilt or not putting their own feelings first?
ReplyDeleteAs a sociopath myself I can say my concern for my boyfriend is genuine in that I would care if I lost him, but not in the way everyone thinks. It's sort of a social symbol for me to have a boyfriend, to show that I can maintain a relationship and that I'm worthy of someone loving me. In that sense, he's more of a fashion accessory than a person, as I can flaunt the fact that I have someone. He's good looking, too, which helps boost my desirability in others' eyes. Honestly, at times when I meet someone I find attractive, the fact I am with someone is a plus because it shows them I have what it takes to maintain a relationship and makes me desirable. My boyfriend knows I can be deceitful...after three years together, he has figured some of it out. But he has no idea to what extent. I have admitted to -wanting- to have sex with others, for example, but not to actually doing it (which I have). To me, my sexual partners are not anyone I care about, just me trying out a new "flavor" so to speak. I rationalize not telling my boyfriend because it would hurt him and I want to keep my relationship. I've often thought about what I would do if we broke up or if he died, even. And to be honest, I do feel remorse and sadness, but not over what you may think. I'd feel sad because it would mean I'd have to go find someone else to replace him, and that would mean work. Now I do like who he is as a person, as much as I can like anyone. He doesn't bore me. He's interesting and funny. I do like his company, honestly. Which is why I'd be so sad if he went away...I'd be bored and left trying to replace him. But I admit to openly flirting with other people and having sex behind his back. And it means nothing, so if he found out, I wouldn't be lying in telling him that. It is just pure physical pleasure, no matter what the other person thinks of it. I'm sure I manage to convince them it's something more. I wouldn't say being in a relationship with us is bad, as I can usually control and keep track of what my boyfriend knows and doesn't know about me anyway, so in some sense he will be fine as long as he doesn't discover my lies. Ignorance is bliss, as they say. He will continue thinking I am faithful and devoted and love him, so really he has nothing to complain about if he doesn't know it. But I've never encountered a person dating a self-proclaimed sociopath. I suppose that kind of person would be ideal for me, as the lying and manipulation can become tiresome to keep up with after a while. Hmm...this is interesting.
ReplyDeleteIt does seem like a lot of work to go through to maintain a relationship with a non-sociopath. And it’s the same for the partner too, just from a different angle. Their ability to accept things as they are and not push issues or question actions seems to be key. The bf socio that I was involved with knew I would trust him...he made sure of it...so it was much easier for him to work me. A month later here I am on a blog site for sociopaths posting my experience and grand in the whole from him. Even though this is, ultimately, my doing I feel angry towards him and the fact that he broke the relationship keeps him in my head. I need to let go or I’m going to keep obsessing over him and sick. But watch as soon as he thinks enough time has gone by BAM…he will text me just to remind me of his existence. This site has been helpful in understanding more about me then him.
ReplyDeleteWhat about a sociopath with another sociopath? Anyone on here in that situation?
ReplyDeleteI feel I have a sociopathic boyfriend. When we first got together he said he would tells girls he loved them, but not mean it. Sometimes, I wonder if the same is ith me. How ever, at times I feel sociopathic, because sometimes I really just don't care about things. Like the deaths of family members who didn't not effect me one way or the other. Sometimes I don't do things I say I will because I don't feel like it, like things said before mentioned sociopath asks. I feel like he is in a relationship with me because he disires offspring, and I have red hair and the men in my family are unusually strong with out chemical aid, and he wants a strong linage if you will. What happens when two sociopaths are together. But only one realizes it, or is it likely he knows two, but doesn't say anything?
ReplyDeletemy SO and I are both socios, and it works for us very well.
ReplyDeleteim in a relationship with a sociopath
ReplyDeleteexample:
a relationship without a sociopath:
boy: where were you last night. Are you upset with me, why didn't you answer my text messages.
girl: I was busy working and my phone died.
boy: your phone is always dead! Where were you last night?
girl: I already told you I was working.
a relationship with a sociopath:
boy: what are you doing?
girl: napping, I pulled an all nighter last night working on a project for my graphics class.
girl: I'm hungry
boy: me too, lets get food!
girl: okay, your house tonight?
boy: sure, be ready in 10.
I think I love him because he is my opposite. I would like to think that he is the villain and I am the heroin. I want to be nice to everyone and I want everyone to like me, but he doesn't care who likes him and who doesn't.
I have an understanding that we have is temporary.
Can a sociopath fall in love with someone because that person doesn't feed into their bullshit. Is it possible for a sociopath to find a particular person tolerable compared to other people that are only pawns in their chess game... Or am I still just a pawn that he is playing with. He knows my limits, knows what I am , and what I am not capable of doing. He doesn't push my boundaries and dose his very best to make sure I am comfortable, and happy... And I do the same for him. . .
it is hard to interact with regular people because I am constantly capable of reading into people's true agenda and its tiring to be surrounded by so many self centered hypocrites. In short I guess I can say, that I hate people and he seems to be the most tolerable, because when we are together the veil of masked emotion is gone and I can be free of all unnecessary social anxieties.
I need advice from a sociopath's point of view. Tell me what I should look out for. Should I fear to be in his company because it might be making my normal social experiences a little less bearable?
sociopaths or <> if you will are manipulative as it can come. My self suffering with the question of why my mind works the way it does is a burden but might help you.
ReplyDeletein order for my to try and extend advice let me tell you a tiny bit about myself. I am young 18 to be exact, i believe i share some narcissistic and manipulative tendencies.
(reasons)
Society is not a complex idea, people are naturally ignorant and thats nothing to be ashamed of, They are easy to control and bend. I am loyal and extremely trust worthy because thats the appearance i want to portray and will fallow. i have many good friends but they benefit me and my plans for the future. i share no common emotion accept for an idea of what emotion is and how to distribute fake signals (mask) to pass of as human or normal. i have an amazing gift or curse of the "tounge" and charm which lets me bend any situation to not only my benefit but to outcome of what ever amuses me of helps me in the future. Women are my past-time my enjoyment which i might add im rather good at. the chase is all one secretly wants, as far as relationships go im no good. im no good because after my use is over the fun of the game is over "CHECKMATE."
but to find someone that really understands me and accept me and there be no odd complications of the idea of "love" ... Would be rather nice. It would allow me to take of the reason to flaunt my mask's to everyone. i'll be allowed to not have to play the game of life for a little while and be myself. No lie's no, no fake emotion it would be nice to have an escape a vacation if you will out of my mask. So maybe Sarah you are useful to him by just being a reason to unwind a stop analyzing the world for benefit and/or amusement.
Maybe i can find the answer to my question now
Ah, I feel like I should write something here. I'm 19, and I am a sociopath. I actually consider this a blessing. I can read people very well. I know how to appeal to them without giving off any amateur signs that I am trying to manipulate them. honestly, it has taken 3 years of studying personalities to achieve my current level. I realize that this is not a respected way to venture through life, but this is how I manage and if I may say, I'm not doing too shabby. I have only one friend that knows of my abilities and he too is a sociopath. we have been best friends since we were 2 years old and he seriously is all the friend I need. imagine this, 2 sociopaths working on one "mission". It's great to me because I can ensure any bystanders an extremely realistic experience while I gain something. well enough about the bad.. ill try to shed some light on some good. only 3 people know I am like this. I never plan on telling abide else including relationship partners. why? because I will control my bad tendencies. like I butter her up like I am about to con her, but realize that preying on someone you love is not an action that keep her around and just let her think that you worked so hard to make her happy..
ReplyDeleteTo comment on a socio with another socio. I am a sociopath, I once dated another sociopath. It was really a competition. We enjoyed each other's company, good sex, have fun, etc., but it was a private little battle over who was the more clever sociopath. We often tried to manipulate each other, until one established more "dominance" than the other. I'll be honest, it was damn fun. Unfortunately, neither of us were capable of putting the guns down to talk out our issues when we had them so it had to end.
ReplyDeleteThank God that I found this site.
ReplyDeleteSo about 6 months ago I met this guy who is quite charming, smart, and kinda has the same outlook on life as I do. With differences ofcourse.
It feels that we are on the same level and yet not. I see him as the classic graceful villian and myself as the awkward optimistic heroin.
I am aware that I had started out as prey and what-not (been there; done that) and for the longest time refused to accept my feelings for him. He's everything I hate and vis versa, but we just fit.
Before long I decided I didn't want to get hurt and separated myself from him to the point where when he had gotten a girlfriend (which is few) I laughed so hard and then when they broke I didn't care either way. He ended up talking to me again so I decided to humor him more like we use to. It was a game, you see, even when we aren't looking at eachother or not near eachother (but in the same room) we are fully aware of eachothers' presence. Well I thought I was cured of getting my emotions in the way of fun and he spent the night. I knew/know of what was going to happen but it made me happy to know that I woke up next to him.
People find him to be pompous and an asshole. Me? I think the same thing, but my brother is a sociopath too so I guess it's just like home. We just fit like a horrible puzzle.
I am aware that if we were in a relationship it wouldn't be lovey dovey and I wouldn't expect it to be. I just think we could workout some how because I'm not pushy and understand his status (very organized and looked up to career-wise). I wonder if we could work out.
"he's smoked for years, WTF were you expecting?"
ReplyDeleteI haven't laughed so much in a long while. Thank you