Well, perhaps sometimes. But sometimes, victims are totally overpowered. Like rape victims. They often don't sanction their rape. Iraqis and Afghanistanis didn't sanction the invasion and pillaging of their country by the U.S. (and Soviet) militaries, et. al.
No, but they get to decide whether to label themselves as victims and go nowhere in life wallowing in self pity, or whether to decide that their parents are just dangerous or disturbed people who infringed on their rights, and that they need not identify with or label themselves based on the traumas of their past.
I agree with you in general Milo, although I believe that Rand’s quote may be true more often than most people care to admit, especially to themselves.
Why not? She taught herself English and became a master novelist in a country that is foreign to her. That's like if you went to Germany at age 20 or something, taught yourself German and became a high profile author. Not to mention philosophize and contribute greatly to the principles of the non-initiation of force, the nonaggression principle, capitalism, and limited government.
When a child or innocent adult is raped, mishandled, or overpowered against his or her will, the perpetrator is a potential danger to others and in this sense these others are his or her victims as well. Anyone who sanctions this kind of mishandling of another against his or her will sanctions evil. This is the meaning of the quotation.
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Well, perhaps sometimes. But sometimes, victims are totally overpowered. Like rape victims. They often don't sanction their rape. Iraqis and Afghanistanis didn't sanction the invasion and pillaging of their country by the U.S. (and Soviet) militaries, et. al.
ReplyDeleteRape victims do not have to continue to see themselves as 'victims' though that's the thing.
DeleteDo children sanction being molested by their parents or other adults or older children?
ReplyDeleteNo, but they get to decide whether to label themselves as victims and go nowhere in life wallowing in self pity, or whether to decide that their parents are just dangerous or disturbed people who infringed on their rights, and that they need not identify with or label themselves based on the traumas of their past.
DeleteI agree with you in general Milo, although I believe that Rand’s quote may be true more often than most people care to admit, especially to themselves.
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ReplyDeleteWhy not? She taught herself English and became a master novelist in a country that is foreign to her. That's like if you went to Germany at age 20 or something, taught yourself German and became a high profile author. Not to mention philosophize and contribute greatly to the principles of the non-initiation of force, the nonaggression principle, capitalism, and limited government.
DeleteChildren don't nor do animals or some adults, as for other people i can only answer for me, Yes i am a Willing victim.
ReplyDeleteWhen a child or innocent adult is raped, mishandled, or overpowered against his or her will, the perpetrator is a potential danger to others and in this sense these others are his or her victims as well. Anyone who sanctions this kind of mishandling of another against his or her will sanctions evil. This is the meaning of the quotation.
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