Thursday, March 1, 2018

Melbourne in two efficient days

Sorry for the delay, just got back from England/France/Belgium, which I will get to shortly. But first we finish up Australia.

I arrived in Melbourne in the afternoon, took a nap, and showed up intolerably late for a dinner appointment with my new friend P because I got the times wrong in my head. We had dinner at a local eatery and then drinks at Naked for Satan, hip, a lot of nudity in the decor, and a great rooftop view of the city.

The next morning I woke up and did a tour of the Old Melbourne Gaol. Again, I was struck by how my brothers sociopath were treated and based on such a paucity of evidence. There were exhibits on Phrenology and other attempts to explain criminology through physical or inherited traits. In fact, by the 19th century, Melbournians were calling for greater law and order, particularly in the slums. The rally cry was that criminality (among almost all other traits, apparently) was inherited. Where do the criminals live? The slums. Where were the criminals having children, the slums. So it stands to reason that the slums were just a genetic cesspool of criminality. And thus under this reasoning, one's class was essentially one's mortal and moral destiny on this earth.

The thing that struck me about this part of the jail was how common this belief is again -- that people
are sort of naturally bad or all bad in this black and white thinking and the main solution is to "lock them up." In fact, I was just looking at some random twitter account whose name included those words. I Googled them today and saw black and white thinking from both liberal and conservatives on American political issues. The idea is that either Obama/Clintons or Trump/Kushner/Etc. or essentially just criminals trying to ruin the lives of ordinary good people and that the solution is to lock them up. When large percentages of the populace are seeing their brother man this way and thinking the solution is to imprison them, kill them (as some of the more extreme believe or wish) or to wish them into nonexistence somewhere far away to never be engaged with again, I see parallels to the inhumane ways we have historically treated prisoners and alleged criminals.

An interesting exhibit on the death penalty discussed how much the general populace loved to see public hangings and how there were many who felt deprived of a natural right when hangings became private. When the number of people executed sharply rose in the 1890s as a result of an economic depression, many understood the connection between people living in desperate situations and engaging in crime and started wondering about the morality of hanging. Frances Knorr was a particularly polarizing hanging. She had been convicted of the murder of one baby, although she later confessed to killing at least two during these tough economic times. According to Wikipedia:

Australia was in severe depression from 1873 to 1896; with no state welfare, women in particular faced a hard life. The diaries of John Castieau, governor of Old Melbourne Gaol from 1869 to 1884 indicate that as children were permitted to stay with their mothers, it was a common practice for a pregnant woman to commit a crime so that she could have her delivery in the gaol and be cared for.

During the 1893 Commission, Melbourne's public health officer testified that the post-mortems he had performed on over 500 children showed that more than half had been murdered.

Frances's husband had been imprisoned for fraud and her lover had abandoned her. She had taken to baby farming," the practice of caring for illegitimate or other unwanted children in exchange for money, and decided like many did, including this couple, to kill the babies she was being paid for rather than care for them. Her death sentence so divided the populace that the hangman committed suicide just days before her execution date, partly in response to his wife telling him that she would leave him if he executed Frances.

This quote from Chaplain Keith Forbes from around this time: “It would be impossible for those who have witnessed, like myself, the 'brutal exhibition' of a human being launched into eternity to refrain from asking, 'Can this thing be justifiable in the sight of God?'”

The Gaol also had various portraits of prisoners, the charming Frederick Bailey Deeming, a possible candidate for Jack the Ripper, who was finally caught "masquerading as the dashing Baron Swanston," about to be engaged to a third woman after he had killed two other wives (and four children!) in the space of a year. Wikipedia describes him as a "difficult child" whose teen years were marked by fraud, deceit, and theft with "behaviour variously described as aggressive, ostentatious, ingratiating and overly attentive to women" but was also known by his employers as being an excellent worker, whose employers gladly loaned him 200 pounds to start his own business and who, although he eventually murdered her, was known for treating his wife with the utmost civility. Hello, brother sociopath.

After that I went on The Little Penguin Bus tour to see the parade of penguins, featuring the very cute Little Penguin. The tour was awesome, the guide was awesome. It was such a change from the bad experience I had in Cairns. I definitely recommend seeing the penguins, they are hilarious. They eat fish out in sea and come back to shore every couple days or so to feed their new chicks. But teh chicks don't recognize the parents, only the parents recognize the chicks. So every baby chick is out there squawking and harassing every single adult they see begging for food. Like some seriously aggressive badgering, and the adult is just trying to like slide by without getting harassed. The baby chicks are also like 80% as tall as their parents. So they look like these big furry baby bullies harassing the sleek looking parents. I added the Guided Ranger Tour, which had pretty good seats for seeing them come up from the beach (you can see a million forums about this), but honestly the closest I got to penguins was after everyone got up from their seats and started going through the walkways, when the penguins were just inches away. So don't stress about getting better seats or tour options, I don't think, but the guided ranger tour was still pretty interesting and worthwhile to do if it's available to you.


A quick funny story, while I was out on the penguin tour there was an incident on the same block as my hotel where a man drove into a crowd of pedestrians. My very friendly and very conscientious guide was trying to break the news to me gently, perhaps because I would be upset by it? But she needed to tell me because the roads were closed off and they would likely need to drop me off a bit down the street. I had no clue how to respond to her, though, and I was tired and could not summon up a proper response so I just stayed quiet, but then left to use the toilet. I wonder if she noticed anything unusual.

My last day of Australia I went with new friend N on quick road trip of the Great Ocean Road. If you're used to driving on the left side of the road, you could totally rent a car and do this yourself in a somewhat long day, or they have tours! In fact, the Little Penguin Bus also does Great Ocean Road tours.


I shook down my Little Penguin Bus guide for an itinerary, and this is what she suggested:

  • Head straight to Loch Ard Gorge via the city Colac (not along the Great Ocean Road, cut across on the faster straighter freeway). Check out the Gorge look out and the Razorback lookout
  • London bridge maybe if you have time.
  • Gibson steps is just a lookout. 
  • 12 Apostles
  • Maits rest rainforest walk is just about an hour from 12 Apostles and a quick 20-30 minutes walk
  • Apollo bay has some famous ice cream, Dooleys.
  • Kennett river about 30 minutes from Apollo bay has wild koalas.
  • Anglesy golf course has wild kangaroos 


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  2. Aren´t todays prisons too similar to hotels to be considered as "justice served", for the worst crimes? Poor people don´t eat that kind of quality food (that often) at home as they do there..

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  3. It's fucking snowing!!!!

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  4. Awe phrenology one more pseudo science to entertain the masses and make them feel like the world is understandable

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  5. "One of Sherlock Holmes’s defects—if, indeed, one may call it a defect—was that he was exceedingly loath to communicate his full plans to any other person until the instant of their fulfilment. Partly it came no doubt from his own masterful nature, which loved to dominate and surprise those who were around him. Partly also from his professional caution, which urged him never to take any chances. The result, however, was very trying for those who were acting as his agents and assistants. I had often suffered under it, but never more so than during that long drive in the darkness." ~ The Hound of the Baskervilles

    This screams **-*. It's exactly how he operates. Can anyone else relate?

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    1. Still on about good ol' Symbols I see. What a guy that Symbols is. Give him my regards. Or just continue your endless, meticulous, obsessional analysis of him. All the same to me.

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    2. So you never read Sherlock Holmes then?

      How are things with you? I guess the place needs some livening up. Do you have a story for us?

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    3. "So you never read Sherlock Holmes then?"

      I'm not much of a reader.

      "guess the place needs some livening up."

      Agreed. ME should redesign this place as a depression or social anxiety support site. Then when the poor unsuspecting drips come here to pour their hearts out we can crush them. That would be much more fun than her stale old articles(to be fair this article might not be that stale. like I said I'm not much of a reader).


      "Do you have a story for us?"

      None that I can be bothered to hit enough buttons on my iPhone in order to illustrate. Sorry. plus I don't want to distract you from your obsessions over Symbols.

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    4. That’s disappointing.

      **-* is just a porthole. Blimey, what do they teach ‘em in schools these days.

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  6. What's with all this 'brother sociopath' nonsense. Come on now.

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    1. There are no sociopaths here. By "we" I mean anyone who likes to laugh at depressed fuck ups.

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    2. It’s an interesting lens, isn’t. Strength in solidarity perhaps? A coalition implies a goal.

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    3. Can we feel a connection strong enough to be a group? If so for how long?

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    4. I believe so....we get along because we are all assholes lol...for how long? Guess that would be determined if we ever had a meet up haha

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    5. "It’s an interesting lens, isn’t. Strength in solidarity perhaps? A coalition implies a goal"

      Ugh it was just a random thought I had. Stop over thinking eveything.

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    6. Traffic, I could take you to town on this, but there's no need to. I was responding to Anon 4:15, not to you. Now think about all the fun things I could have done with this situation.

      Boys, don't forget I play with one of you in real life, for actual stakes. And we are equals. I know you're bored and I'm the only one here, but your game isn't enticing. Sorry. Play tiddlywinks somewhere else, there's nothing at stake here.

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    7. "Now think about all the fun things I could have done with this situation."

      I shudder to think. Thank you for your mercy.

      I think that anon was merely scoffing at the retarded group dynamics at play between weirdos such as Alci who empower themselves with the sociopath label and feed off each others bullshit to reinforce their retarded fantasy world's. Treating advice from some of these spazoids as actionable in relation to Symbols might be counter productive. Just saying. Then again since you're equals you don't really need any advice.

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    8. Yeah, I am skeptical of any persistent group dynamics ‘cause you seem so relentlessly independent.

      True, I’ve totes got it sorted (jokes). The process of learning is there; that’s not to say there aren’t endless bumps in the road. I learn most from him of course, but this place is cool. I like hearing about others’ experiences and watching how things work.

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    9. It is possible for sociopaths to form a lasting group bond as my little social experiment has proven. My social circle irl includes three sociopaths (two are brothers), me and another girl who are psychopaths, a proto-sociopath (raised by a sociopath and kinda borderline) and a six or seven people of relative normie and spectrum behaviors. So it is possible and quite refreshing as a group dynamic.

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  7. "Can we feel a connection strong enough to be a group? If so for how long?"

    Long enough to realize that you're a fucking tool and exclude you from the group.

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  8. Not something I ever thought I'd hear myself say, or, see myself write I guess, especially after spending years in jams and tailbacks.
    But I like Traffic.
    Alci you killed the last thread with your autistic spasticity, take the hint dear.

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    1. I get an aspie vibe too. Sociopathy must be her 'special interest'.

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  9. Peeps, question on Quora regarding psychopaths feeling the need to kill. I’m thinking you guys probably have more vivid fantasies. What would you say?

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    1. Oh great now we're probly going to have to suffer through the ramblings of some 14 year old goth. Thanks a lot.

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    2. So there’s no appeal? Serious question.

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    3. Movies have distorted reslity about psychopathy. Serial killers are sadists, not sociopaths. Some serial murderers are sociopathic, but their behaviour is motivated by sadism. I guess most psychopaths see manhunters as irrational & half-psychotic people..

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    4. Why the beeping beep would anyone want this dynamic as a group?
      We're all a bunch of fucks let's face it.
      I can only imagine how it would go...

      North: coffee anyone? **-* likes coffee, asks for one in the mornings, I don't really understand his motivations.
      Bella: I like my coffee like the men who picked it, black and bitter ;) lolololololo
      Alcitwat: the flies think they want coffee, but they no, ownlee what we allow them to think they think they now. We must allow them to con tinyou to think they no what they think is not chaos.
      Anonymous: this coffee group sucks.

      murder North? I think everyone craves to kill some cunt at some point, psychopathic or not, 14 year old goths are particularly susceptible to this agreed.

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    5. Thanks Anon 2:11 and Swop. I'm interested more in fantasies than murders. I agree everyone fantasises all sorts of things; I'm wondering if psychopaths are more comfortable with violent fantasies than others.

      Ref: Our Secret Fantasies [4min38s]

      For myself, I am quite happy to entertain my fantasies these days. They tell me a lot about what I really want and need. A bit like waking dreams.I don't thwart them, but feel no desire to act on them. In the past, I probably thwarted them, like I guess most people do (as described in the video.)

      PS nice to see your imagination at work again Swop.

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    6. I can't speak for them psychopath types, but me? I'm perfectly comfortable with the darkest of obscene fantasies.
      I'm also though in a fairly uniquely awesome position of having a partner who not only accepts these thoughts (though gets somewhat disturbed at times understandably), but who also, to a degree allows me to divulge in some of them.
      Sexually like.
      I know it's not a particularly common, normal trait (not that I'm, abnormal, just, special. And really handsome...my mother told me), because when I have done some slight divulging to friends, I get the typical "dude, seriously...the fuck?" responses.
      Fantasy that overlaps into reality...ooo, that's a fantasy.

      I don't dream anon. But that's more down to a healthy weed habit than anything else I think.
      And you really should watch a sociopath interact with people, it's the cosiest thing you'll see.

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    7. Myth: sociopaths are melodramatic fiends wearing vampire-capes at midnight. Reality: sociopaths are "dry ant"-people, folks that use their imagination for practical dreaming (mostly about material things), a bit like athletes mental training when they imagine themselves winning before actually doing it. The socio may be daydreaming about completing his wardrobe with an expensive jacket (for example).

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    8. Since sociopaths seem to historically have vivider imaginations than the rest of the populace this seems a valid question to me. I know I do have vivid fantasies though not all of them end in mayhem and having talked with my peers they seem to also. I think one of the reasons for sociopaths with poorer impulse control becoming killers may be that we tend toward elaborate revenge fantasies. We tend to be grievance collectors and very competitive and suffer fools lightly. I have personally sworn off the revenge kick as I got older. Takes to much time and in the long run is non productive.

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  10. Most sociopaths are "hostile" to other people (the same attitude animal predators have, most likely there exists very few "cosy" alligators known for serving tea to their relatives). Quick anger is a sociopath feature. The birds whisper that socios don´t dream when sleeping, log-like creatures..

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    1. I dream all the time. Only ever had nightmares though. Most sociopaths I know dislike people but some of us are fascinated by the sheep and enjoy wandering among them.

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  11. Most sociopaths have an underlying violence and coupled with little empathy I believe can make them more prone to being violent. The people I have met who fall under any cluster b personality in fact do have sadistic tendencies in some way or another, mentally or physically. I do know a few who have violent fantasies when angered and simply enjoying a cup of coffee. A few of these fantasies they have shared well one in particular is they said they have fantasized about walking into a haunted house with a gun and a silencer on it and just shooting anyone they passed by while they casually walked through the haunted house lolol. I have more but will save them for later.

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  12. House or school you bunch of fuck ups?
    You lot sure do breed 'em tough mind.

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    1. These people you know and label Bell, like the paranoid freak who thinks everyone coming into a café is out to get him, and now this fuck who watches the news of kids getting shot to shit by some hard done by emo and thinks "fuck yeah, I could do that, I'm brave, I'm tough", do you just make them up? You seem to know a lot of 'cluster b' types.
      Know what I think? (I said know, not care) I think you're full of shit to be honest, a wannabe badass who knows no one bad at all, but, for some reason you feel at home here. So I'm pretty sure that any friends you have in real life, hear fabricated stories about us lot, your other friends.
      Instead of keeping these morsels back for us at a bated breath later date, tell us one about you Bell, not 'someone I know' over and over.


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    2. I shared what I wanted. Why don't you share some of these dark elusive thoughts of yours.....

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  13. Haunted house from a halloween tour

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  14. Swop, I always enjoy your projection and deflecting. So telling...

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  15. Deflecting what sorry? Projecting what exactly?
    Isn't this the point where your extensive repertoire comes out with a yawn, you're boring me now, I could do this all day, but you're boring me now?

    I have shared stuff on here, plenty. My point being why don't you stop living fantasies through other people's stories and try being a bit first person?

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  16. I have shared plenty first person accounts here when I have felt the desire to do so. You can google those terms and reread what you have posted and maybe that will bring you to some conclusions love. How are things at the butcher shop?

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  17. Maybe I am not as violent as you think I am. After all, I am a masochist remember? I'm more likely to be a victim than anything.

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  18. It's great ta, a woman came in the other day actually, she giggled when her flabby tits fell out, but no one noticed because her autistic kid started screeching.
    Needless to say, she wasn't amused at the attention distraction I can tell thee.
    Made me think of you.

    Urgh, are we really going to do this again, love?

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    1. Absolutely I do yes! So please, you have tales, you don't need to fire off about other people you've decided are sociopathic.
      Or, better still...fuck off here and tell them to come here instead? Everyone's a winner

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  19. I have told a few about this website. Maybe some of the anons are them? Not sure. Yes, I am bored and have some time on my hands so decided to have some friendly banter on here ;)

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  20. Do you fantasize when you're cutting meat? I always wondered what these men are thinking as they are cutting up dead carcasses. There's a butcher shop near me, wonder if he's interested in this website

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  21. I don't like to burst your bubble, but I'm sorry, yes, I am a trained butcher, but haven't worked in the industry for some ten years.
    And mostly I used to think shit like, don't cut yorself, don't stab yourself, don't die.
    I don't think the anons are owt to do with you, or they'd respond to you.
    No offence like, you know me, but they tend to blank you when not telling you to fuck off.
    Maybe that's what it's like in these cafés of yours though. Bloody masochists [rolls eyes]. I'm sure that's most the reason you bother replying to me.

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  22. LOL...DAMN! That's no fun. Yes, maybe that's it. I have always enjoyed assholes so makes sense. True about the anons. I do recall one attacking you in a previous post where you had insulted me I wondered about that. I know you enjoy sharp objects but you dabble with slipknots?

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  23. Massive asshole at your service.
    I don't remember sorry, I don't take much notice of anons, but they'd probably seen your tits and thought they had a chance of getting in your well dropped knickers by siding with you.
    Slip knots? I have done yeah, rope bondage is addictive I found as it's very aesthetically pleasing, and you're always trying to better what you know, but, its impractical...Unless you're looking for pretty pictures to pass round your cluster fuck café that is.
    More a cable tie kinda guy. Though that said, cuffs are my thing at the moment, not hand cuffs sorry, y'know, like, leather cuffs with a ring on? Just clip them together or to a genius designed whipping post. None of that time wasting mood killing rope intricacies.
    What you getting at then Bell?...you dabbling in slip knots? Around your neck? Loop a rope around what you want to restrain, make a gun shape with your left hand (thumb and two fingers...pew pew), take the string over the fingers (outside to in), wrap it round twice, push the loose end through the loops with your trigger thumb and pull tight. It'll lock in place and takes half a second.
    What you dabbling with then?

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  24. Slipknots, cable ties, knives, needles, cuffs with locks..I am curious of rope. I haven't done much of it so I am going to be experimenting more with that as a masochist of course. Yes, very pretty to look at, especially the red rope. Not sure of the technical name for it but I like looking at it. Currently, doing more breast bondage

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  25. Have him learn what's called a double coin knot, pretty much all you need for pretty shit. Can do an all over rope body suit using it.
    Red ropes technical name? Red roe far as I'm concerned.

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    1. *rope
      God damn fuck it shit cunt fuck shit

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    2. [Gets gun from kitchen table and heads to local primary school in anger...

      (no, wait, this is Britain sorry)

      ...puts kettle on]

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    3. Ok cool, I will tell him. Hahaha gotta grab your knife..

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    4. You people must have great sex lives when you have to tie yourselves up to get off.

      Real classy discussing your shitty sex lives on a public forum as well. Then again, this forum will always have that cheapness to it, can't cover it up.

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    5. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    6. Good job anon. Would you rather empty threads? Can I recommend fucking off to Alciabides'site? The two of you can trawl through dozens of desolate threads together, fuck all for you to whinge and whine about then young un.
      Ignorance isn't always bliss ignoramus...tie some wantant woman down and have your encouraged wicked way with her how ever you want...then come back and comment.

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    7. Actually, I've just been on there myself, I'd really recommend it, it's the best way to brighten the darkest days, it's fucking hilarious, the "Immortality versus amorality" thread particularly tickled me.
      You read me right...immortality.

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    8. I know, it's disgusting. This site turned in to fat jiggly 40+ porn.

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  26. Many just see things they want to see. They see evil anti-superheroes. They don´t see "dry ants" with practical imagination, daydreaming about material things..

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  27. Thanks for all the responses!

    My baseline, of course, is **-*, not movies. He has expressed sublimated fantasies, and that was in keeping with what I’ve read here (see last thread re serial killers and Bella and Swop’s comments above, something about not being in a relationship without imagining the other person’s skull smashed against a wall.) This “dry ant” stuff is new, although **-* definitely spends a lot of time day dreaming about luxury cars, cotton shirts and so on.

    Further insights are welcome.

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    1. The fuck is dry antism? Is it a pesticide?

      I'm sorry...

      "Spends a lot of time daydreaming about...cotton shirts"

      Su-fucking-perb

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  28. That socio people are obsessed with "the best" luxury items is probably pure mythology. Non-career socio people appear to be cynical consumers, wary of overpaying. Example: people scoffing about folks buying luxury watches without being aware of exactly what they buy (or actually don´t buy).

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