Sunday, March 25, 2018

How Psychopaths See the World

One thing that's been really interesting about meeting other sociopaths is seeing different iterations of essentially myself. I see people who have very different lives from me, very different professions, but their choices also make a lot of sense to me. I can't help thinking that I would have made those same choices they had made perhaps in a parallel universe, or if I had their early life experiences. I can also see much better that the traits represent themselves in spectrums. For instance, I think all sociopaths are impulsive, but some are more conscientious in general than others. I'm about middle of the road in terms of conscientiousness. Some sociopaths I have met have a much longer future outlook than I do, like up to 7 years. Mine of course is still around 3 years. Then there are also people who have a much shorter outlook, more like 6 months to 1 year. Not many sociopaths I have met (just one!) are as into seduction as I am as a form of power game. I was also a little surprised to hear that at least among the successful sociopaths I have met, my fearlessness levels are among the highest. This is not to say that the other sociopaths are fearful, just that they experience a small degree of fear in their lives more than I do (which I experience as almost nothing).

It's super fascinating to talk to these people. It's one of my favorite things in the world to do now, there's such a unique pleasure to it. The way we talk and skip from subject to subject, so fast and so nonstop with interesting things to say, has been common to all of the sociopaths I've met, although of course everyone's conversational content has varied. One new friend I met in Europe actually commented on this -- "You know that no one else talks like this, right?" She described it as having a "chaotic brain". She said that she is careful not to talk like this particularly in the professional realm in which establishing trust is very important for her. Because, as she explains, you have to be likeable and you can't be likeable if you sound like you're on a separate planet. I likewise assume that our unique conversational style reflects the non-linear way that appears to characterize our thinking, as well as the unusual way that our attention works. The imagery I've used to describe it to other people is that it's like in a Loony Toons cartoon where the characters are sneaking around at dark but when a spotlight falls on them they freeze, as if doing so would allow them to escape detection. Our attention is like that spotlight. Whatever it falls upon, we are super focused. Everything else is in a murky haze.

My friend sent me this Atlantic Article about a study done on male prison psychopathic prisoners and their theory of mind, or ability to place themselves in another's shoes. What they found is that sociopaths can do that sort of perspective taking, and can do it very well, they just don't appear to do it automatically. They only engage in that mental exercise if something draws their attention to doing so:

They saw a picture of a human avatar in prison khakis, standing in a room, and facing either right or left. There were either two red dots on the wall in front of the avatar, or one dot in front of them and one dot behind them. Their job was to verify how many dots either they or the avatar could see.

Normally, people can accurately say how many dots the avatar sees, but they’re slower if there are dots behind the avatar. That’s because what they see (two dots) interferes with their ability to see through the avatar’s eyes (one dot). This is called egocentric interference. But they’re also slower to say how many dots they can see if that number differs from the avatar’s count. This shows how readily humans take other perspectives: Volunteers are automatically affected by the avatar’s perspective, even when it hurts their own performance. This is called altercentric interference.

Baskin-Sommers found that the psychopathic inmates showed the usual level of egocentric interference—that is, their own perspective was muscling in on the avatar’s. But they showed much less altercentric interference than the other inmates—the avatar’s perspective wasn’t messing with their own, as it would for most other people.

Of course, not all psychopaths are the same, and they vary considerably in their behavior. But Baskin-Sommers also found that the higher their score on the psychopathy assessment test, the less they were affected by what the avatar saw. And the less affected they were, the more assault charges they had on their record.
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To her, the results show that psychopaths (or male ones, at least) do not automatically take the perspective of other people. What is involuntary to most people is a deliberate choice to them, something they can actively switch on if it helps them to achieve their goals, and ignore in other situations. That helps to explain why they behave so callously, cruelly, and even violently.

But Uta Frith, a psychologist at University College London, notes that there’s some controversy about the avatar task, which has been used in other studies. “What does it actually measure?” she says. It’s possible that the avatar is acting less as a person and more as an arrow—a visual cue that directs attention. Perhaps instead of perspective-taking, the task simply measures how spontaneously people shift their attention.


Baskin-Sommers argues that the task is about both attention and perspective-taking, and “for research on psychopathy, that is a good thing.” That’s because, as she and others have shown, psychopaths pay unusually close attention to things that are relevant to their goal, but largely ignore peripheral information. “It’s like they’re the worst multitaskers,” Baskin-Sommers says. “Everyone’s bad at multitasking but they’re really bad.” So, it’s possible that their lack of automatic perspective-taking is just another manifestation of this attentional difference. The two things are related.

When I think back on some of the sketch that I've gotten up to or some of the sociopaths I've met have gotten into, there's a similar thing going on. It's almost like I'm in a trance, so focused on accomplishing the one thing dominating my attention, like tracking that DC Metro worker to choke the life out of him or kicking my best friend out of my car in the middle of a strange city during an argument. It's only when she yelled at me "what is wrong with you?!" that I snapped out of it and started taking a broader, different perspective on the situation. Several of the sociopaths I have met have either been diagnosed with ADD or ADHD or have used the meds on the sly to improve their linear thought or better control their focus. To help mediate this unusual focus, I sleep inordinate amounts and when I need to concentrate on one thing for long periods and do not find myself naturally doing so, I force my brain to think linearly with baroque, minimalistic music, or impressionistic music, which share a common feature of constantly moving forward musically at whatever pace without much focus on cadence or structure.

So I find this study and its results to have a great deal of explanatory power and I would love to see this connection explored more.

Hilariously, the study was criticized by an autism researcher, not because the science behind it is poor, but because it seems to suggest a closer link to autism than the autism researcher was comfortable with:

“It is a bit worrying if [Baskin-Sommers and her colleagues] are proposing the very same underlying mechanism to explain callousness in psychopathy that we used previously to explain communication problems in autism, albeit based on a different test,” Frith says. “These are very different conditions, after all.”

But the distinction here, as pointed out by the researcher and as is apparent probably to all sociopaths who have had extensive interactions with people on the autism spectrum, is that autistic people are really bad at perspective taking, even with their attention directed at it full force. And with the sociopath... it's not as if he can't be bothered to do so, it's just that he doesn't always think to do so.

But what do sociopaths or those acquainted with think about the linear thought (chaos brain) or the multitasking? By the way, I can't have a television on in the background and still be able to focus on a conversation. I think I may have mentioned this before, but I also feel like I understand movies and television better with the subtitles on. I used to think it was bad hearing from years of drumming, but I've had my ears tested many times and they're always fine. There's more something about the ability to understand speech in the context of seeing it spoken on a screen that leaves my brain scrambling.

77 comments:

  1. High-end autism is the "key" to psychopathy (not the serial killer-mindset). Psychopathic "evil" is passive disinterest. I guess many socios everyday problems have to to with finding reasons to do things, anything?

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    1. My husband has high end Autism and several of my best freinds do also. I get along best with them or other sociopaths. (See Me I told you it was great fun) I "connect" best with people who also do not think in straight lines but can subject jump as each new thought point sparks a new one. The other reason I love hanging with Aspies and Psychos that we rarely talk about boring crap. The test is very interesting, I am wondering if sociopaths are able to process three dimensional space better than NTs too? I know both I and my husband can. I am a 3d artist and he does 3d CAD, skills very few people can master. You have to be able to visualize in ways that seem to escape the grasp of most people.

      Anon I get what you mean about passive disinterest which, for me anyway, has a lot to do with my fucked up risk reward system. I don't get a chemical brain reward like an NT for doing "good", I don't have a conscience so I don't get a bad feeling for doing "evil", so I mostly just do whatever amuses me most. Or I did before I came up with my "rules of life" and my "should I do the thing" filter. Having rules I follow and a filter to make decisions really helps me live a normalish life.

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    2. Psychopaths are not "active" like sadists & serial killers: they are not passionate about finding victims they can reduce to objects and torment. Sociopaths are considered evil because they don´t care about people. They may have jobs where they appear to care about others, but they don´t. Indifference. A passive disinterest.

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    3. Hi Anon 9:12,
      Are you drawing a distinction between psychopaths and sociopaths here?

      I agree they are not necessarily out there targeting people, although do take note of M.E.'s comment on seduction as a power play haha

      The evil tag comes because 'paths are not well understood. Humans always create myths when we haven't understood / mastered some factor in our environment.

      In my view, the issue goes well beyond lack of caring. 'paths are social creatures that don't trust their fellows and this creates a tension for them. They must interact with others. To resolve the tension they employ strategies that allow them to hold comparative social advantage. These strategies necessarily make life difficult for those dealing with them. 'paths are not collaborators in the true sense of the word because of their great difficulty trusting.

      Lack of trust and concomitant need for comparative advantage is at the heart of the matter. They give just enough to prevent the other person leaving and are masters at playing this balance. Sometimes you just have to turn the tables on them.

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    4. A psychopath is born, a sociopath is made (by hardship). Socio evil is in "not doing": not caring, not liking humans, not wanna play with other kids, not wanna spend time with uncle Bert...etc. I don´t think most socios like sex with partners; it somehow seems to be an asexual condition. It´s understandable if autists don´t want to be labeled as light-socios. Do socios have a problem with the a-connection? Is this considered an annoying "retarded stone" in a grandiose shoe?

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    5. I have to agree with Puppy Basket, I get along with autistic people pretty easily. As M.E. said in her book we speak the common language of rationality. The only trouble I have is obv. I'm not very considerate about some of the sensory sensitivity that comes with autism.

      It's funny M.E. talking about this and seduction in the same post. I don't normally set out after people, but something about one of my circle of friends made me decide to try it out. He's autistic, but I always find him easy to talk to. It's been interesting to say the least, like hunting, and I can see why M.E. might get a thrill out of it.

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  2. Interesting M.E. **-* tells me his thought process is visual.

    Probably the first thing that attracted me to him was his intense focus. I sat next to him at work for two months; he was completely absorbed in what he chose to do (rather than what were assigned to do...)

    These days, when he's with me, he's really with me. And when he's not, well, he's really not. It's a laser-like focus: narrow and strong.

    Our conversations jump around quite a bit. I enjoy it because I'm INTJ and it's reminiscent of the flowing conversations I have with other iNtuitive Thinkers. (**-* is ISFP.)

    Of interest is the symbolic nature of his language. He misses sarcasm and irony but his communications are laden with symbols, codes and metaphors. If it's personal, he's very unlikely to use direct language.

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    1. Hey, North, are you the blogger who made this site? Or does he or she use another profile name?

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    2. I could be wrong, and you didn't ask me I know, but, and again, I'm uncertain here, but...I think that person was called M.E.Thomas or something of that ilk anyways.

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    3. Me? I'm schizoid, not sociopath.

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    4. Does the blogger ever post in the comments? What is her/his name?

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  3. "I force my brain to think linearly with baroque, minimalistic music, or impressionistic music."

    Music stimulates the emotions, I suppose that if your thoughts and emotions are in harmony it is helpful but I generally distrust my emotions, it's too easily influenced by outside factors imo.

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  4. I have a question on how relationships work with sociopaths. I have concluded as I have read articles and even M.E.s book that they do not care in a sense that regular people do. So essentially, can they not foster relationships with people in the same way as in they cannot love? Rather it is pretending to love or be in love because it is what suits them best or it is what they believe that person wants. I am trying to grasp at the thinking process involved.

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    1. Kate, I'm just a sociopath floating through but I thought I might throw my personal experience in. The way I see it, I'm not emotionally available. I'm currently talking to a woman who is in my opinion interesting and impressive even(high praise coming from me). I'm currently cultivating a relationship with her based off of my respect for her strength rather than because I believe I may come to feel anything for her in the normative sense.I'm certain there is something to be gained there even if I don't know exactly what that might be. Who knows? Maybe I'm just bored. I hardly care at all whether it works or not. What I do know is that I only respect the strong and in the end maybe that is good enough.

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    2. What is love.

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    3. Baby don't hurt me no more?

      Lol seriously, I think the closest words might be possessiveness or want - I want interesting people, I want to be the center of their attention and I want to enjoy their uniqueness. The world is a river and sometimes you do find a gemstone down among all the dull rocks. So why not take it with you?

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    4. Wrong. What a prick. A personal opinion on personal preference is...wrong.
      Nice one anon (prick), now that people are actually talking, some new faces showing...a spineless anonymous wanker has to start up discouraging.
      I quite liked the river found gem analogy in fairness.
      Although the self lol at the Haddaway 'gag' was a bit spew inducing yes.

      Possessiveness and want.
      Nicely put Scarlet.
      I sum it up mainly in one word...how it is for me at least
      "Mine"

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    5. Coincidentally, a psychopath on Quora sent me this today:

      Finding Nemo: Mine! [31s]

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      “He was a little grabby with it. I could tell he really wanted it. He said, “you painted this for me, right?’ I said, “yes I did.” He took it, and didn’t thank me, which is how I know when he thinks he is talking directly to me instead of dealing with an emotional construct. No words. Also he is ungrateful, LOL.”

      This really reminds me of **-*, even of his style yesterday when he was focused on his fantasy. They’re stepping right on in and taking what they want. Is it dominance? I feel that it’s a bit different, at least with **-*. It’s more as though they seek to secure what they want immediately. Some things are important to them and this makes them very self-centred, like a vortex. **-* is consumed when he’s like this; it doesn’t matter at all what I want. Not a single thought of it in his mind, but I don’t think this entails ill intent. It’s more like the pure selfishness of childhood.

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    6. I also liked Scarlet's explanation.

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    7. Gems are nice for showing off I guess, but are boring otherwise.

      Eventually you just put them away like a dirty secret.

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    8. The whole "sociopaths cant love" is pretty simplistic. Read more of this blog and you will understand.

      I am in a healthy(ish) relationship. I am controlling and worshipped, but I try every single day to make my partner happy. I have learned to minimize my controlling behavior, and am glad I did. I actively try to imagine what he must be feeling. It takes a lot of effort. If I'm tired or whatever, I won't do it. I fuck up a lot. But he forgives me every time. I sometimes wonder if he will stop. But my transgressions are few and less and less serious. I have changed a few behaviors because of him. I'm pretty happy about that.

      At the start, I thought I could easily cheat on him. I've now decided against it. For one, my sex drive has gone down (we're only human, after all.) Also, I am starting to believe in the social, financial, and strategic benefits of marriage and long term loyalty.

      I want to maintain his loyalty (financially, strategically, in business, etc) and cheating on him would risk ruining that. I do not depend on him for money, so don't mis-read that. I simply want someone who will be 100% loyal to me. Certain situations in life call for that ...

      He's really an excellent human. I am not obsessed with him or desire to consume him like I have felt with others. (I used to believe that was love). So for a long time I wondered what I was doing .. I didn't feel consume-y, felt bored to be honest .. but I kept him around because I felt like there was more to relationships than the desire to consume.

      Now, I accept him. Try my best every day to be good. I think he's a pretty cool human. That's what love is to me. I don't think its that far off from "normal" love .. after all the honeymoon period wears off and you have to work on it. .. its the same. I really think its the same. I don't think y'all feel anything different. People just want to demonize sociopaths so they say stuff like "they can't feel love."

      I don't really believe it. I feel love. I feel all the hard work, boring shit, tolerance and acceptance that goes into it.

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    9. That's very cool. I do believe this is possible and you're right; it's not a great deal different in that work is always required for a relationship to prevail.

      **-* puts effort in with me... but he keeps the relationship scope very constrained. I'm ok with it because I'm basically a hermit, but my natural preference would be to see him more often.

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    10. I don't like to throw personality/diagnoses around, but they sound more like a narcissist who wants to be wanted. AT the same time, everyone is different ...

      I personally get SO BORED with witholding ... I also have never had a real need to do it. People have intense emotion about me pretty quickly. I play off that, and keep going. If I'm enjoying obsessing or feeling consume-y about someone .. I keep it up at a good pace, provided it doesn't interfere with other goals or work I got. If I'm not interested, I just pass, and maybe pop in when I get bored. This might look like withholding to the other party, but it's really just disinterest.

      I acted in this way with my current partner, because he doesn't really do it for me. He reacted by being very honest and direct. Whenever someone doesn't get all weird and emotional and onion-like, I am impressed. Therefore I made a rational choice to attempt a healthy relationship with him.

      If you fall for or are affected by withholding, you need to work on your self-esteem.

      Who cares what they are .. what are you? What do you live for? what are your goals? Sociopath or not, don't be limited by your temporary emotions.

      After all, that's really what screws us and lands us in jail. Think bigger ... and also - stop caring. Seriously, if someone doesn't worship you, why put any effort?

      Sociopaths might not have any "automatic" perspective-taking. But the evidence shows we can make a choice to do so. In the same way, a highly empathic person may make a choice to be hyper rational. It's not easy .. and might be tiring. But a skill worth learning! We all should learn from each others deficiencies and traits.

      Unrelated - I think I'd make a great therapist.

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    11. I think you got a bit excited there.

      Maybe you could try again by seeking to understand first. You made some interesting points but you need a stronger foundation for them to be valid and worth engaging with.

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    12. Sounds more like a rather piss poor motivational speech pusher than a therapist.
      Why would the sociopath give a flying fuck about bettering ones self?
      We should all learn from each other.
      Why? What have you got that we should desire? Temporary emotions?
      Think bigger.
      Twat.
      I agree with North, apart from the 'interesting points' bit of course.
      Change yourself by all means (please) but this really ain't the place for your wannabe amateur therapist wing spreading.
      Learn...change...grow up...do what you please.
      Urgh, I'm bored.

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    13. emsmer, I appreciated your comments even if the 3 stooges swop, bella, and north didn't :)

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    14. Stooge?! [Insert shocked face emoji]

      Appreciate what exactly?

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    15. um this site is for psychopaths (not you) so I appreciated gaining some insight in to how one thinks. Why do you act like this site was made for someone like you? It wasn't. Why don't you spend some time listening and learning about others instead of trying to dominate and take over the whole blog?

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    16. I came to this site to learn about psychopaths, and all I ever see you do is run them off.

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    17. You know what? I'm gonna give you that.
      My interest here ran out wayyyyy back, and it seems the only time the comments get so much as near double digits is when people are arguing, and, I did find your 'psychopaths' monologue ridiculous, so said it.
      And it's not so much a dominate thing, more a, there's no one saying shit month after month, so I chip in, get replied to and off it goes...try it, I hope it makes for a more interesting SW for you.
      I don't run anyone off, no more than anyone else, I make fun and jest yes, but I think we can all agree it ain't exactly a funfest on here.
      There are no psychopaths here for you to learn from, but take what you will from them.
      But, I shall leave be, have fun kids

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    18. byyyye. Take Bella and North with you.

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    19. Oh Big Bad Anonymouse, don’t you want to come out of the shadows and play?

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    20. Play what? What are we playing?

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    21. What are the rules? Or are there no rules? Is it guerrilla warfare?

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    22. I doubt I'm the only one that's tired of hearing about your whack job obsession with symbols.

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    23. Yeah, there’s not so much learning going on here these days.

      How about giving yourself a name?

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    24. Oh, that’s not my style. I’m for freedom and responsibility

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    25. I'm usually pretty creative but nothing is coming to mind. This site use to be funner. Now I gotta sit here and read about bella's old fat lady tit stories. I think swop is finally gone. Got tired of him runnin all the real psychopaths off. I wanna read their stories :D

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    26. Jealous cunt seems appropriate ;)

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    27. nah I know the truth bella. You already admitted it on the site anyway about what ya look like now. So seriously, no more graphic descriptions. Please spare us. Be a little sensitive and compassionate.

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    28. What's this talk of boobs.

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  5. So, I've read some discussion about Sherlock Holmes. I know how movies and books exaggerate things. I'm just curious, is that how real sociopaths act? Or is it just an extreme exaggeration?

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    1. Both Holmes & Moriarty are "super-sociopaths" in the modern day Sherlock tv-drama..

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  6. I'm curious as to your observations and interactions with bilingual sociopaths. Research has shown that bilinguals have a certain social flexibility and have an easier time multitasking.

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    1. I am a bilingual sociopath. I agree with the attention-deficit related statements made in the original blog. I don't think bilingualism changes much.

      - I also cannot focus with TV in the background.
      - I ignore most parts of conversation.
      - Subtitles help me get more involved in a film, otherwise I find myself ignoring it often. I really enjoy the act of reading - that is why I think I love subtitles. Maybe other sociopaths also really love reading and that's why.
      - I have moments of hyperfocus, like a cat. It is not entirely voluntary but I can make it happen more or less. I seem to just get "stuck" on a perceptual wavelength and just stay there a bit. Then snap out of it.
      - I speak two languages, can combine them & switch between them fairly easily. I'm now learning my third.

      One thing I will say about bilingualism is that your personality varies from language to language. I'm almost certain this applies to everyone, not just sociopaths. I have noticed I am much more cruel and concise in my native tongue. I think friendliness is something I learned "in english" in order to function at jobs here in America. I now use both languages for work and have run into problems. It is so difficult to be friendly in my native tongue. I've never done it before, and end up sounding like an idiot. I've considered watching some shows in the native language to find someone to model off of. But I've been lazy.

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    2. I am an octalangual socio. What you are saying is true of me as well. I will write in my journal and flip from English to Russian, to German ect.
      I go from hyper focus, to my normal state which is more akin to ADHD. I'm finding its pretty "normal" for many APDs.

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  7. "I am not obsessed with him or desire to consume him like I have felt with others. (I used to believe that was love)"

    Yes, my obsessions I call love as well but then I think to myself who can say what love is exactly? Like who gets to say that one version of love is better than someone elses? I think sociopaths are capable of loving and if anything this love is stronger because of our obsessive tendencies. Or maybe that is my delusional thinking, either way if people are happy who cares right? Love has different meanings depending on who you ask bottom line. I refuse to believe there is one meaning and if you don't fit that its not love...

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  8. Why is religiosity an evolutionary advantage? Control and predictability brings stress relief.

    https://youtu.be/oldj11NEsc0

    Most human behaviours are about increasing control and / or predictability.

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    1. Also interesting: Us vs Them, how we’re hardwired for cruelty

      https://youtu.be/sVmWLQivpls

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  9. humans
    so vunerable...so dellisicous

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    1. tell us about the dellisicousness * delicious

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  10. Sociopaths don´t resemble movie vampires. Zodiac Scorpios do. Socios just seem bickering & small, like whining elderly people..

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    1. why do you keep saying the same thing over and over again about zodiac scorpios or whatever?

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    2. In a fairytale some socios sat in their slippers & grumbled. One ranted: "-My cookies, its my cookies!" "-No its not, aunt Maud baked them!" another one yelled. Then they started a shouting match about whos cat had left a brown present on the veranda..

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    3. So you're still writing your story? I think the cat thing might be accurate. Seems like alotta psychopaths have pet cats. Am I right or wrong? How does the story end? Or do we hafta buy it off of amazon to find out? What's it called? It's pretty unique. It's not the classic psychopathic killer stuff. You might be able to sell it, and turn it in to a B movie.

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    4. Suddenly a door opened in the fairytale and the worst of all socios emerged in a black cape:"-I´m ketchup-sucking countess Fraud!" she screamed. The others could not stop bickering: they talked so much crap it had to be transported away in a wheelbarrow. They tried to shut up for a while, but it was impossible: sociopathy & baloney had a sinister, ancient connection.

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    5. oh man you were on fire there for awhile but you're starting to lose your touch.

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  11. This place is pathetic.....would be a lot more fun if there were actually different people here and not just someone with multiple personalities and too much time on their hands lmao

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  12. I thought sociopaths had excellent multitasking and executive function. Fallon said: "The thing is, I don't have other brain damage. The top of my brain, where all of the cognition is, the cold cognition and executive function, is hyper-functioning. It could mean that I'd be really a mastermind murderer, if I was a murderer, because my executive skills are quite good, and you can really see it in my brain patterns."

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  13. Hi. First of all I apologize if I'm disrespectful in any way. I am not nearly as intelligent as a sociopath or technology for that matter and this forum has me perplexed. I believe I've been in love with a sociopath for 7 years. I've known him longer than that. I have a desire (which probably makes no sense, but I love him and feel it deeply) to understand him better. He never disclosed to me. But he never denied to me either. I'm not sure how to proceed with him at this point... If anyone is willing yo be charitable with some insight I would appreciate it greatly.

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    1. I don't really think there's much advise to give tbh. It depends a lot of him, his level of self-awareness and willingness to open up.

      For ex. I've been involved with two other sociopaths. One was high functioning and while she conscienceless and calm she was also thoughtful and when she did manipulate people it was on a more intricate level. The other one, who I only went out with a few times, was much more the textbook sociopath: he would make obvious lies, act without any sort of plan or thought, and didn't have any real insight into his own condition.

      So it's possible your man falls more into that second category, that rather than just not letting you in there's nothing to really let you in to. I was never really sure how to handle that with the guy I dated, but I just got bored of the whole situation.

      How have you approached things so far?

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  14. Sociopathy does not make people intelligent. There are lots of stupid socios in prison. Many schools have problems with stupid, remorseless bullies. Bright socios are movie stereotypes. BUT: socios with Mercury-ruled zodiac signs may be incarnations of that dusty stereotype..

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    1. True, I've worked with conduct disorder. They're not all smart. I suppose like with autism or any other disorder, it just spans the range. You really like movies and horoscopes, huh.

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    2. If people are interested in "the theory" about psychopaths existing, why are they not then interested in "theories" about 12 (or 10, if the reader is conservative) human types? Can the curious really understand the socio mindset without understanding the zodiac Scorpio?

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    3. I don't know too much about the zodiac scorpio. Tell me about it.

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    4. Some socios and their ringleader The Countess educated themselves by watching tv. "-I hate books, I learned all I know by reading cartoons!" one psycho said. "-Cartoons? I learned all I know by reading lavatory wall-messages!" screamed another. The Countess then stood up in her cape and declared: "-Of course one can expect to enjoy the harvest without first labouring in the fields..!"

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    5. Do I get to be a character in your story? :D

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    6. Something for nothing. The holy grail.

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  15. Humans...so vunerable...so dellisicous

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  16. meaning what? Tell us stories :D

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  17. But somehow movies reveal truth. Clever psychopaths appear be "distilled intelligence" in a bottle; all deluded impurity seems to have been washed away and a razorblade-type of mind remain. Add to that the slightly hostile temperament most socios show, and the end-impression resembles the fearsome Sfinx from mythology..

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  18. (The Sfinx primary was a mind-monster: it wanted to "play games" with passersbys)

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    1. that one sounds like a fun monster. Why do you have an interest in sociopaths?

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    2. Zodiac lore & certain movies made me realize that the Scorpio and socios appear to have lots in common. Most likely the result of evolution (human predators). This somehow seem very taboo. Scorpios are described as "philosophers" and socios are portraited as mentally disturbed..

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    3. I used to be in to that stuff; wicca, shamanism, astrology...all that new agey type stuff. Now just science. Ima a sagitarias. Does that give you any insight in to me? :) Some of that stuff really does sound like me; free spirited, philisophical, open minded etc. So are you a scorpio? Can you relate to sociopaths in some way?

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