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Only to themselves. Another question: In a competitive environment, can sociopaths ally as equals? I say the only way they can work together under those conditions is in a linear pecking order.
Well put, Peter Pan. What perspective are we answering this question from? And of course it isn't universally applicable, because people you plan to manipulate should or should not know of your intentions; Depending on the situation, and how very much fun it'd be to tell them or not. But seriously, what is a duty. If we're considering here a moral obligation, the obvious answer is of course not. Perhaps for practicality purposes one may or may not warn friends, but the decision is case specific.And the real question is not so much as to whether it is a duty or not, but more whether or not a sociopath would, duty or otherwise. The real question is whether you can get a sociopath to care about their moral obligation to society to "come clean"
Of course it depends on who you ask. That's why he's asking, you moron. You're an idiot for agreeing with him, jasnowflake.
M.E. asked, “do sociopaths who know they are sociopaths have a duty to warn those around them?”Nope. (See jasnowflakes comments about “duty”.)“does it matter if it is a friend?”Nope.“someone you are dating?”Nope.“work colleagues?”Nope.Ok, for the sake of a balanced pov, I suppose context can make a difference. It’s just that I can see no reason why I’d want to “warn” anyone in my offline life about any traits, characteristics and/or tendencies I might have that even remotely resembles sociopathy.Jasnowflake said, “The real question is whether you can get a sociopath to care about their moral obligation to 'society to ‘come clean’”.I’m assuming this is a rhetorical statement jasnowflake. Obviously no aware and intelligent person (regardless of whether they’re a sociopath or not) who’s thought through the issue of morality, would believe that they are “morally obligated” to society. Especially if said person is relatively free from emotions like guilt, shame and remorse. Moral obligation. What does that even mean anyway? It’s almost a nonsense phrase, like “colorless green”.
I like the way you think, Daniel. And yes, I was being rhetorical, given present company, I'm not even sure why ME asked at all. What a boring debate topic to leave us with while "he"'s away. Rather than leaving us with a long answered moral question, he could've at least appealed to our practicality somehow. Given us an article to read. Phooey. Now we just have to entertain ourselves with each other or with our actual lives.
And Jeepers evil emperor, do you really think I'm a moron? Whatever shall I do?What intelligence, then, do you have to add to the conversation. By all means, show us up.
Of course I think you're a moron, moron. You won't do anything, because you're too stupid to see how stupid you really are. Why would I waste my time trying to impress you? Try saying something intelligent, and maybe I'll grace you with a display of real intellect.
No, I think sociopaths should be entitled to manipulate. If every sociopath acted true to themselves, they'd get very few friends and would miss out on a great many things in life. They would be at an extreme disadvantage in society without the power to manipulate, likely even worse than autistics, since sociopaths are hated rather than sympathised with.
I give them the wink wink and sometimes I talk to them, but in general we let them do their hustle while I do mine. Why would you need to tell someone they're a sociopath, most already know. We usually are playing a unsaid game of who spots who first, then it's all about figuring the other person out to see what intentions they have. We spot each other by seeing whos like us. Watching the crowd while someones talking them, half listening, while eavesdropping on other conversations. The broad with the boyfriend who's a total insecure wimp that shes totally controlling. The one that can get our jokes about weak people in front of the people we are making fun of and only they get the joke.I dont understand the morality question. What are we ticking time bombs? The only time I let people know who they are is to team up with them and manipulate more people for fun. Emporor ur a idiot. Why would u ask a bunch of sociopaths a question on moral obligations? That's like asking a blind person how you look today. You sound weak and insecure. Maybe you need to get your feelings out for us so you can help us understand what PERSPECTIVE you are coming from. Even your name sounds insecure.
Pager you've just proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you're a complete idiot, right up there with Peter and Jasnowflake. You can't even figure out who's asking questions or what the question is. It figures this blog would be inhabited by nothing but fools. M.E. is this what you want? A following of inbred monkeys who think they're intelligent? What's your plan, to have them suicide bomb your enemies to prove that they're sociopaths? If so, good work, because you'll have that accomplished in no time.
There are two of us - the one who forsees all of these things happening per our design, and the name mispelling idiot.Excellent.
Excellent. Right on queue.
If your comments were this blog would be the only way i assumed this blog was inhabited by fools. Since a majority of the commentors are in your mouth I assumed them to be the opposite to you. Which I guess wouldn't be much of a standard to hold fools to. Especially since what you've wrote so far sounds like a bipolar rant from a autistic child who thinks s/hes evil. Paranoid nonsence about suicide bombers? I know what the question is. Its how low of a intelligence can you have before you can no longer post on the internet. Thank god you just made it or we wouldn't have been graced with your lofty comments. We all here thank you for showing us that some human beings can never change past total retardation. They are doomed to licking windows and banging their head against the wall. But I envy the fact that you can feel so much despair that you are prone to suicide. How does it feel to be so weak. I know your type. Your sitting there with a bottle and a bag of coke crying to yourself while you yell at the type of people who sold it to you from the internet.
Just ignore the troll. Let's pose a different question:Has anyone studied the psychology of why people troll?
I'd rather study the psychology of why people troll Evil Emperors, you irrelevant window licker.
Work it, fool, work it harder.
nimbus said, “Another question: In a competitive environment, can sociopaths ally as equals?”I don’t know. I suppose it depends on the nature and aim of the competition. Would the competition be a zero sum game or a win-win situation? It also depends on what you mean by working together as equals. Are you talking exclusively about the kinds of activities they’d be doing together or how they see each other or both or neither?
Listen you creepy little crapweasel. If you are indeed my evil apprentice know this: I don’t give a shit if tradition means you have to kill me the way I killed my own mentor. I made you and I can break you, even if it means crawling through these wires to hunt you down.
I eat your kind for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and then I chug a glass of ice cold prune juice to wash the taste of weakness out of my mouth.
Window Licker asked:"Has anyone studied the psychology of why people troll?"It's the same reason why you kept poking your thumb up your little brothers ass as he slept. To get a reaction. From your exasperated parents that is. The feeling of control was all you ever wanted over your little brother.My evil apprentice tried this on me once and I sphinctered his thumb off.
That wasn't a thumb.http://www.craeton.com/flash/leek.swf
I was looking into our question and I found out there's a whole subculture of trolls. Talk about losers. Apparently they're socially inept and can't seem to get the attention they need in the outside world. What's worse is the fact that they are still so socially inept that the only way they can communicate on the INTERNET and get the attention they need so much they have to post stuff to solicit angry responses. They get off on taking things off topic and into childish insult matches. This is apparently their way of self medication, like a drug, as a false way to build their self esteem. They are prone to depression and suicide. Here's a new question. Why would such a emotional wreck go trolling on a sociopath website? Is it masochism? Do they want to be verbally abused deeply? Did mommy do that to them? Food for thought.Im new to the site, and have a question. I've gone through and read all these emotional rants (not all but a majority)of people not WANTING to feel, but their articles show a lot of emotion and sympathy. Is their even sociopaths on here? How come we aren't trading ideas on how to manipulate people better?
Pager, trolls have better social lives than normal internet posters. It only makes sense. My social life is great. How's yours?A lot of our discussions involve manipulation.
So that's why I shit out a cock. Idea #1.When a window licker pouts "Why trolling? ...Why?" you can manipulate them into wasting time typing up overlong overreactive screeds.
The Emperor/Emporer got me thinking: What if the sociopath is so devious and unpredictable that you have to cover your own ass? How do you do it? What if you have to go to war with them? In my own experience, a sociopath isn’t happy unless they have complete control over you, and the ones I’ve seen usually stay clear from each other.
Nimbus said, "What if the sociopath is so devious and unpredictable that you have to cover your own ass? How do you do it? What if you have to go to war with them?"Why do you ask?
I reread what I said at July 12, 2009 2:05 PM - I wasn't very clear. I'll revise the questions:What if you know you are a sociopath, and you spot another sociopath which you must deal with, then notice that they are so devious and unpredictable that you have no choice but to try and cover your own ass? How do you do it? What if you have to go to war with them? (I'm still fishing for answers to my July 9, 2009 6:57 PM question)I didn't answer the post's "do sociopaths who know they are sociopaths have a duty to warn those around them? does it matter if it is a friend? someone you are dating? work colleagues? questions because I thought sociopathy was all about having no sense of "duty". The question seemed irrelevant.I then became curious about two of them in the same place. Mr X, who I described a few posts back as the small company killer, initially believed I was just like him. He initiated and made a deal with me that we wouldn't screw each other over and then quickly proceeded to screw me over.
Nimbus:It all depends. For me, it would depend on what my long term objectives were. By “beginning with the end in mind,” I would have a clearer sense of whether Mr. X would be useful in the pursuit of those goals or an obstacle. If he turns out to be an obstacle, the question then becomes what kind of obstacle. I’d ask myself what kind of enemy Mr. X is going to be. The answer to that question would help me determine how best to proceed should it become necessary to get him out of my life (i.e. the company). “Mr X, who I described a few posts back as the small company killer, initially believed I was just like him. He initiated and made a deal with me that we wouldn't screw each other over and then quickly proceeded to screw me over.”I don’t know the details obviously, but maybe Mr. X did you a favor. He may have taught you never to trust anyone who would offer you such a deal in the first place.
Nimbus, it sounds like he has you on the defensive. As long as your actions are reactive, he has the power to control you. Decide if this battle is worth fighting, and if it is, sit down and think of creative ways to make him cover his own ass. There's a guy at work who's been hounding me, and he's paranoid as hell. I'm tired of covering my ass, so I'm going to leave a trail of breadcrumbs until he starts screaming "Conspiracy conspiracy!" and then when everyone comes to see what he's babbling about, it'll be something his boss asked me to do. I'm sure you can imagine how that will play out.If it's worth it, fight back.If not, leave. Surrender.Or if you think it will help, and it's applicable, offer a false surrender or submission. There are no rules.
A duty? Like a moral obligation?...yeah I am sure that would ever work out...lmao
Another slow day draws to a close. Yawn. Lucky for you, it’s time for a nimbus bedtime story.Once upon a time there was a cute chick (CC). She was new at nimbus’s place of work. She was young but intelligent, polite but aloof. Nimbus found out one of his friends was her cousin, and went to get the inside scoop. “She’s too tough for you. Don’t go there.” the cousin advised. “WTF are you talking about?” “Trust me now, thank me later!” The cousin was dead serious. So nimbus did. But a manager, twice her age, did go there. After a year full of subtle romance, sweet love pats, and after work, wicked crazy sex, that managers wife found out and left him. With the thrill gone, CC dumped poor Mr. Manager. This was, after all, a neighborhood grocery store, and CC would never settle for such lowly scum. Mr. Manager was left with his checkstand, his child support, and his grocery career in ruins. Years later, nimbus ran into CC’s cousin, who seemed as interested to discuss CC as he was. This is where nimbus found out the rest of the story. Nimbus had previously heard from cousin that CC never had feelings for her men, viewing them instead as toys to be used then dumped (or destroyed). Nimbus had also known that CC had a twin brother, TJ. As a tot, TJ had been observed by nimbus picking on a terrified bully once. Yes, terrified, because every time the much bigger guy pushed him down and yelled “GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME YOU PSYCHO CREEP!” TJ would simply get back up again, and again, and harass him with rocks, garbage can lids... whatever was at hand. “Tough ass little kid” nimbus had thought to himself. Nimbus also knew that CC and TJ’s parents were an attorney (father), and an alcoholic (mother). Nimbus had been assuming all those years that a man who lies for a living, and a woman who drinks for a living will raise fucked up kids.But the cousin said, nope. They were normal parents, nice people. The truth was: Mother couldn’t have babies of her own so father went out, and sparing no expense, had bought a couple of cute babies. The twins were adopted. They had been the children from hell. This was a true story, but the names have been changed to protect the innocent. Sweet dreams.
Peter Pan asked,"How do you all feel about mormons?"LOL. Nice.
Peter Pan said, “Come on, Daniel, this is important to me. Please, just answer the question.”Oh. Sorry man. It’s hard to tell sometimes when you’re serious and when you aren’t. Especially since this question seems to come out of left field altogether. Why do you ask? I’m being serious. No sarcasm.
This is what I think of mormons, their way of life and their beliefs. (NSFW)
Its not that easy, Peter. Lawyers and theists are of the same ilk. They are both trying to exploit a system of imaginary checks and balances. They both equivocate and justify their dastardly deeds with written words. The combination of blind fundamentalism to the law of god and man makes for an immovable force. I'd let him know that his penis is small and that god is going to give him cancer of the anus for being such a truck-stop faggot.
Ah, very interesting. Thanks for the feedback.I don't think you are going to get a very good answer from the self important grocery clerks here. You and I are the only real ones here, Peter.How's it been going Peter? Why do are you even entertaining this mormon? I'd love some more detail.
A lawyer is only going to go after someone if there is something to gain. Do you think this lawyer sees something to gain from your brother after the case is done? If so, he will go after him later, no matter how much you figure him out. This person might use theism and litigation as tools of exploitation. What you are examining are his tools, not weaknesses. You might be able to turn these tools against him, but I doubt it. Unless you are part of his congregation or are a lawyer yourself, it's just an exercise in futility.
I don't think you are going to get a very good answer from the self important grocery clerks here. You and I are the only real ones here, Peter.Touché, observant one! To the others, I am actually the mother of those children. The alcoholism was a ruse, a front, to protect my children (I’ll admit, a foolish tactic on this silly "empath’s" part). Extreme anxious depression was the reality. My niece referred “nimbus” (upon whom I base my online persona) to me after he earned his psychiatric ticket. That psychiatrist/friend sent me here as an exercise at this particular stage in my education. So here I am, trying to get inside the minds of my children, via people such as yourself. The court is all yours, teach. Learn me.
Nimbus, why would saying you are an alcoholic protect your children? Why did your refer to your niece as a male? You say, he and his, so I'm going to assume you meant nephew. Some people with english as a second language mix up masculine and feminine. I hate to say, learning about your kids will be educational, but wasted time in the end. What kind of psychiatrist sends you to a site like this? Wouldn't he have more accredited material to educate you with?I'll let you in on a little secret. Peter and I are the only true sociopaths on here. Yes, yes, Peter, I can already see you typing in a, "I love my family BITCH!," response. How is it going with the mormon?What happened to Tink? I hope she didn't boil herself like a lobster.
What was your relationship with your parents like?What is your relationship with your parents like?
Quid pro quo, Nimbus.
Nimbus, why would saying you are an alcoholic protect your children? Have you ever tried to counter prevailing rumors from "a mob" of jealous (and in some cases, quite angry) acquaintances? The more you deny the ‘truer they become’. And I was young and stupid. And the situation was too complex and out of control for me. At the time, I assumed that going along with the rumors would buy me time to ‘fix’ the children.Why did your refer to your niece as a male? Does gender matter in “protecting the innocent?”I hate to say, learning about your kids will be educational, but wasted time in the end. I disagree. My son is in prison for good. Education provided closure. After many years living as she pleased in LA, my daughter has married and lives nearby. She is obsessed with learning her true origins, but sometimes I think she’s just a little too nice to this old lady, who has money.What kind of psychiatrist sends you to a site like this? A friend.Wouldn't he have more accredited material to educate you with? Yes.I'll let you in on a little secret. Peter and I are the only true sociopaths on here. Why Peter? He’s just a mixed up kid, compared to my TJ.Now your turn.
Nimbus, I'm going to put out some random thoughts here.. I'm tired. and have work at 4am. So, I'm going to keep it short as I can.Learning her true origins? I'm assuming she doesn't know her family history... Does your daughter know what you are doing, as far as the research goes? Or is she trying to understand herself? If your daughter is being nice to you for money, it's questionable. Depends on your age and medical conditions. I'd say if you are going to kick the bucket in few years... then, maybe. If not, then you might be reading it wrong.What did TJ do? Was it a violent crime?Peter is mixed up, and I could never give you a concrete diagnoses on him. He does seem stalkerish, vindictive and paranoid. All great traits, that I share. I think Peter needs to accept himself, the good and bad. Especially the bad. :)I have a great relationship with my parents. I don't expect any money out of them, but I keep them happy. It has multiple benefits. I look more normal, they help me when I'm in a bad situations and chicks dig guys who are nice to their mother. I really don't have any feeling for them though. I just realize it's normal to take care of them so I act accordingly. My parents know what I am and accept it. They know I keep my shit together and wouldn't hurt them. I'm more responsible then my other family members because I like keeping things normal and low key. I can't say that for the supposed empathic members of my family, who I dare say can be complete assholes.. but least they cry about it later, I guess.My relationship with my parents in the past was far more rocky. I was violent and extremely manipulative as a teenager. To explain away my actions, I blamed my problems on them. It made me look good with my peers to make it seem like I had emotionally abusive parents that I rebelled against. Though, this was furthest thing from the truth. I changed my tune when I realized the abused teen routine was only going to work for so long. My parents routinely stuck up for me with school administrators and other family members who had issue with my ways. I'm ultimately glad they took what I did in stride and don't bring it up now. It's earned them not being put in a old folks home and me being pro-active about making sure they are happy and healthy. Don't misinterpret this as love, I just believe in a system of checks and balances. If they had actually treated me badly I would have made their lives miserable now.One thing about researching mental disorders, it's like looking into abyss. It always looks back at you. Are you really trying to figure out what is wrong with you? What you did/didn't do wrong with them? If so, don't. It isn't healthy. It might have provided you with closure regarding your son, but I would leave it at that. If your daughter is being nice now, who gives a shit what she does with your money when you are dead? Dust to dust, whats done is done.. you know? Enjoy what life you have left, because being stooped over a computer embroiled in paranoia and fear is no way for an empath to live. Take up meditation and try to love your family unconditionally until the end. You don't have to give them money, just ignore any selfish pleas from them. This is my understanding of how healthy empaths live.Personally though, if you were my mother, I'd be disappointed by your short sightedness.
Learning her true origins? Does your daughter know what you are doing, as far as the research goes? Or is she trying to understand herself? She seems obsessed. We live in a region where adoption records are sealed by law, and (I still believe) her father kept certain details private until his death.What did TJ do? Was it a violent crime? Yes. His intelligence could rarely ever mitigate his fearlessness and impulsivity. I knew he would have either died in prison, at the hands of his many enemies, or by crossing the wrong stranger. Peter is mixed up, and I could never give you a concrete diagnoses on him. He does seem stalkerish, vindictive and paranoid. All great traits, that I share. Paranoia is a great trait? IMO, paranoia runs the spectrum of causes. At one end it’s all genetic: such as the overly imaginative introspective schizoid/avoidant who thinks everything through before doing anything. At the other end it’s experiential-rational: such as the normally fearless malignant narcissist such as Stalin or Hitler who knows that many people really are out to get them....parents... They know I keep my shit together and wouldn't hurt them. Perhaps why paranoia is considered a "great trait"? ..it drives the logic which effectively replaces the mitigating effects of normal levels of empathy? What if conditions were such that it became beneficial for you to hurt them?I was violent and extremely manipulative as a teenager. As in bullying? Recalcitrant? With friends or enemies only? If your daughter is being nice now, who gives a shit what she does with your money when you are dead? She has children.Enjoy what life you have left, because being stooped over a computer embroiled in paranoia and fear is no way for an empath to live. As I noted before, I tested as median between empath and sociopath. I can see the advantages and disadvantages of both. I’m thinking my stories and insights into these children might make a good book, blog or resource. You wouldn’t find that I believe that CC has much less empathy than TJ intriguing?
You wouldn’t find that I believe that CC has much less empathy than TJ intriguing?That interesting, I've never realized that I don't understand how to gauge empathy. Is someone with more empathy more prone to cry? Will they seem more attached to people they care about? How do you gauge if someone has less empathy? I see it as on or off. So, do I find it intriguing? Only insofar as I want to understand how you gauge your children's different levels. Can you describe your thought process? As in bullying? Recalcitrant? With friends or enemies only?All of the above.Perhaps why paranoia is considered a "great trait"? ..it drives the logic which effectively replaces the mitigating effects of normal levels of empathy?That's been true for me.What if conditions were such that it became beneficial for you to hurt them?I can't see where preemptively hurting them would serve any benefit. My parasitic and destructive tendencies are put to better use on others. Paranoia is a great trait?Absolutely, I've found it useful. But I try and temper it, everything in balance.At the other end it’s experiential-rationalYou've got it. Empaths manipulate all the time. They are just more feeble about it.
Not because I think it's pitiful, mind you... quite the opposite. It's because sometimes it works, and for some reason I can't explain, I think that's hilarious.Honestly, I think you all put way too much faith in the things I say here.God and your parents may not love you, but I do.
It was all in how they addressed their anger and frustration. Both were cute and always physically small, but far from identical.TJ, was sociopathic but with many of the uncontrollable mercurial outbursts of BPD. He’d cry profusely as a child when angry or frustrated, while acting out physically, and that was the best time to find his true feelings and attitudes. If he perceived you capitulating in ways acceptable to him, he’d “forgive” you, and mistakes were sometimes understood and forgiven. CC never bothered to learn how to cry convincingly – it was just leaking at the eyes. And one would eventually find out that capitulation, negotiation, reasoning... was all a waste of time (“eventually” being key). Mistakes of any kind were not tolerated. She always kept score, but never admitted it. In short, TJ gets mad, CC gets even.
Yes, IF the empath is a person the sociopath considers 'important' (for whatever reason) particularily, if the empath is one who obviously struggles to separate themselves from the willfully ignorant. As an empath who truly does strive for honesty, I very clearly and blatently made clear to the sociopath with whom I parent two children that honesty was what I held above all other things. He chose to continue lying about his activities, and his 'condition'. Though I can understand the logic behind this as most empaths who are closely involved with a sociopath would most likely NOT wish to be presented with and/or have to accept such a reality, he apparently misjudged my personality in this matter.
I don't think so, there's way too much stigma attached to being a sociopath. Maybe if they're marrying someone that person should know since you should know most major things about your spouse since you're signing on to them for life, or a counselor if they're in therapy since it would affect the sessions, but other than that I don't see why it would be a duty.
I debated responding to this question for a bit, because of the huge flame war that broke out in the comments, but I decided enough time has passed for it to not matter and I do have an answer for the question.I would only tell my friend if I thought she was in danger. If it was a mutual friend, and I thought he was a "high-functioning sociopath" and had enough moral, ethical, logical, whatever you wish to call it, constraints to function normally in society without hurting people for the kicks, I'd probably let it be, because that's his decision who he chooses to tell.If I think she's likely to be hurt by him, or that he's just using her or something, then I'll probably warn her to stay away from him, although if she likes him and I try to tell her he's a sociopath, she'll probably think I'm trying to scare her away, which I might be. :D So I'd just warn her in general. Not because I have a "moral obligation to society", but because as my friend it's my duty to try and protect her from people I know are only going to hurt her, even if she doesn't believe me.-Jen, a curious empath
no because i feel it could have terrible repercussions if the information got into a typical empaths that likes to blab all info to them for you only need to be true to your self the worlds tough you gotta be tougher to survive
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