Friday, May 27, 2016

How Empaths can Attain Sociopathic Abilities

From a reader under the subject line of the post title:

I think one of the most seductive features of your blog is the sense that people are getting this window into this world of having immense social power. It's certainly how it's been for me. Partly by reading your blog (and similar material), I really developed a strong interest in actually having such abilities.

Now, I am rather good at a few unnamed things. What I've learned from those things is that practice is the only way to get better. Sociopaths aren't born with social talent. They develop it by having no inhibitions, and as such have a constant feedback loop where they are stimulated by extrinsic rewards (power, favors, etc.) instead of intrinsic rewards (love, fun, connection). Having that intrinsic reward loop shut off turns on a completely different reward system. Learning is very closely related to reward, so sociopaths learn very fast and from a very young age how to manipulate people.

For empaths, reading books (i.e. 48 Laws of Power) is a start. It doesn't actually help you much right away - it raises your awareness level, but if those books don't already seem intuitive, you're going to struggle for a while at first. Books like that build that framework of extrinsic rewards obtained from social interactions and help scaffold learning in everyday interactions. To truly train yourself, however, you need more.

My number one training activity of social interactions is to imagine myself as another person, with all of their different feelings, interests, etc. What's it like to be them, in a normal situation, with their own thoughts, insecurities, emotions, self-delusions of superiority, etc. This is like learning perspective, form and lighting for art - the scaffolding on which you build your toolkit.

Meditation helps you get to a state where this actually becomes easier, and your gut instinct about others becomes better because you gain a much more nuanced version of all of the little subconscious things happening in your brain. Likewise, you can start to sense these nuances in others.

Applying this gut instinct, cognitive empathy and meditation gets results. Each month I look back and wonder how I was so clueless in the previous month, like my learning is so rapid that I'm gaining years of average improvement in the time span of two weeks to a month.

It's been an incredibly transformative experience. I hardly recognize myself a couple years ago, and cringe when I imagine it.

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  1. Outstanding post!

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  2. I've learnt a lot.

    I am curious, though, because what you've described isn't exclusive to sociopathy.

    Are there particular ways in which you use awareness that you would consider beyond the empathetic paradigm? This could be interesting.

    Personally, the best thing I learnt from **-* (and I cite him specifically because others I've encountered demonstrate less capacity) is to live fully in accordance with my own nature.

    I have learnt, too, that social capital is valuable and I cultivate that through collaboration. This works for me because it aligns with who I am, brings me opportunities, protects me and allows me to deeply contribute across my network. Mutual relationships, in short, are rewarding for me on many levels, and are more useful to me than power, which is not an interest in and of itself.

    Inspiring post; it reminds me to keep pressing on. At the start of this journey, I recognised my most pressing lack was in awareness of self and of others. Though I've made vast strides, I can realise greater benefits by continuing.

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    1. @ North:
      "the best thing I learnt...is to live fully in accordance with my own nature....I have learnt, too, that social capital is valuable and I cultivate that through collaboration."

      Me too. Absolutely.
      It's much nicer to read your comments nowadays. They're not 'all about your angst', they are increasingly succinct [not overly-philosophical meanderings 8-/], and they offer [often, conciliatory] insights. They are the comments of someone with clarity of thought.

      Therefore, being [it seems, overly] polite, could I enquire: if a future sentence or two of yours inspires an occasional stealing of words 8-), is there any chance that it would not provoke annoyance in yourself, perhaps, but possibly maybe a wry grin or two?
      8-) Or is that a step too far, as yet, re possible 'greater benefits'? 8-/
      [hopeful enquiry 8-) NOT sarcasm or asked in a derogatory tone.]

      XK

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    2. Hi K@ / XK

      I appreciate I took liberties here while traversing the hairiest phases of that adaptation cycle. I'm sorry for the inconvenience and thank other commenters for their patience.

      Many of my ideas and commentary started with kernels I thought useful, harvested from anyplace. I admit my primary goal is to understand / make space for; it's not conciliation per se. That a foundation for more productive recognition of each other might arise is a bonus. To that end, any use, correction, amendment, elaboration of what I say is most welcome and would, in fact, be a great joy to me. I do enjoy your observations and they often add flavour or change the quality of my own deliberations.

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    3. North,

      "I do enjoy your observations and they often add flavour or change the quality of my own deliberations."

      Then 'XK's work is [almost] done 8-). But seriously though, being able to laugh at oneself, even ruefully, is indeed a sign of a healthy mind.

      Postscript: and always watch out for the pest species Sock puppetus ssp. Ass, which has an unfortunate propensity for occasional projectile vomiting.
      LOL

      KAT

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    4. What is an Empath?

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  3. Good grief. All the work sociopaths put in and their not even having fun. No wonder they hate nons. We are the ones having fun at their expense. They are just after that big payoff of control. Big whoop. Control is an illusion.

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    1. I always had a suspicion that they really didn't have fun. That it was all just a script. I on the other hand had a lot of fun. I enjoyed being spoiled. When I think of what a planned out mundane chore it must have been for them. To endure...how silly of them

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    2. It puzzled me, too, the seeming-senseless, unfathomable investment they make. The scales seem ridiculously unbalanced against them.

      But I no longer think it's as simple as that; their pleasures are not ours and vice versa. They cannot quantify nor even qualify our pleasure and pain in terms of their own experience and neither can we in reverse.

      It's easy enough to understand this cortically; but "knowing is in the limbic brain, the seat of instinct." The limbic brain struggles to grasp the differences, so wired we are to consider others as like ourselves. Both types easily fall back to such irreconcilable comparisons.

      The measures are different because the mechanisms are different.

      The base for comparison lies much deeper than behaviour and experience.

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    3. I agree with North here somewhat. They get "pleasure" from the "empowerment" they feel when they think they're fooling someone. Every lie that works is a thrill of its own. They're having fun while it lasts...it's the ultimate outcome which always disappoints. You'd think they'd use their reason and see that they're wasting their efforts for a delusional state of temporary excitement...but then it wouldn't be a delusion.

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    4. In my opinion with sociopaths it's all about the payoff. That one second when they see the light go out of someone's eye. I know they all don't kill but I think they are after that fix however they can get it. All of the work. The mask. The grooming. All to steal someone's energy.

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    5. Thats just stupid. I wouldn't do things just for shits and giggles if I didn't enjoy them. Im motivated by two things: my power and my entertainment. Thats all.

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    6. I also think it's hard to compare socios and nons because nons don't have a plan in place. Nons don't have hyper tunnel vision. I think with socios the "plan" has nothing to do with survival. Rather survival is pertinent to carry out the plan.

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    7. Anon 6:14

      Real & permanent "payoff" is the exact opposite of that. To release the immense energy stored in a hidden heart, to see someone lost & locked away come out and re-enter the world as them, not a "mask" is truly best outcome for BOTH people. One does not steal the other's energy rather they boost get a huge boost.

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    8. How would you know that? That socios have plans and nons dont? Do you know any legit socios?

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    9. I don't believe it is a permanent payoff. If it were they wouldn't need to do it again and again. But it is a payoff. It is what they are after. Control. Power. Amusement is a motivator. Or rather a release of dopamine along the way when doing things to help "secure" they achieve their goal. Little rewards for obedience

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    10. Yes I know socios very well. And I'm not one and no I don't have a plan.

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    11. I personally never meet another aspd. I couldn't say what is like for them.

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    12. Anon 7:22

      You're describing the opposite of what I'm saying. It's the socio who keeps repeating it because the stolen energy never lasts. The "saint" repeats it because they grow their own soul by helping others. One gets you respect, love, trust & lasting friendship and the other gives you a temporary ego boost but ultimately leaves you empty & weaker.

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    13. Joniad that is a very positive way to look at such an experience. Thank you

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    14. @ Anon 4:30 AM: you think that control is an illusion because you lack it in significant areas of your life.

      Power is delicious.

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    15. A what significant areas do I lack power? And how do you define power? What makes it so finger lickin good?

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    16. Power is a broad concept, but it always encompasses the wielding of influence.

      As for the areas in which you are bereft of it, I can only make threadbare deductions, based upon so few statements. I would imagine that you lack agency in some area(s) of your life, so you have resigned yourself to and justified this reality to yourself by removing the onus of responsibility for it from upon your shoulders. Whether or not this is warranted is entirely context dependent, and without more information, I cannot comment meaningfully on your situation.

      Your derogatory reference towards power further shows me that it a subject towards which you are bitter. From this, I can extrapolate that you are either frustrated by the positive societal emphasis placed upon its acquisition, because you have failed in this regard, or- more likely, given your presence on a sociopath blog juxtaposed with your contempt for power- because someone has victimized you through its misuse.

      What makes it so good, for someone like me?

      Why does a sheep dog herd and protect a flock of sheep?

      I enjoy wielding it, because it is within my nature to do so, and I am equipped to do it well. It fulfills me.


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    17. AnonymousMay 28, 2016 at 7:22 AM " But it is a payoff. It is what they are after. Control. Power. Amusement is a motivator."
      Yes this is true. The mistake many nons make is in thinking that the payoff itself is why we do as we do. The GAME itself is the thrill children. As long as the game itself remains amusing then that is what we play. As Joanid said it matters not if we are playing puppeteer, sheep herder or angel. The end result is not what we are looking for it is the game itself that provides the amusement/entertainment. If we gain power or social influence or feed our need to "do good" along the way that is a bonus. We do enjoy the wielding of power/influence because it reinforces the illusion of control. Nons like the illusion of control also. Almost every human, socio or non, seeks this in their life. Everyone tries to find some area that they can tell themselves they are in complete control of. Alas we live in chaotic universe and it is never more than an illusion, but without that illusion most people would stop functioning so we indulge in it.

      Power! It's finger-licking good! I do love that line. For myself I tend to gravitate to positions of power because I am very good at wielding it. I can organize and make quick logical decisions while keeping the big picture in mind. I know how people think/feel and therefore how to motivate them. Luckily I am one who likes to uplift a group so I do my manipulation to benefit all. Unlike most socios I do not seek power anymore ( gotten to old for that shit) but I do take what I earn.

      As a socio it did take me a long time to be able to blend with the nons and understand them, I spent a lot of time getting out of my own head enough to really observe them and their social interactions. I read and studied sociology and psychology. I practiced, I took acting classes. Seriously, I practiced schooling my expressions in a mirror. I practiced walking like a non predator.

      Eventually I tired of my masks. I don;t use them anymore. I underwent a spiritual enlightening and quit messing people around for my amusement (for the most part). As most on this blog know I am "out of the closet" for the most part sociowise. I have been "out" for several years now and have yet to experience any push back. It is very freeing to be "myself".

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    18. A thank you for your answer. I also understand protecting others but I have never looked it as power. People can take care of themselves. If anyone needs my help I try to help them. Wielding power is embarrassing to me. Its so obvious. I don't need fake power over others so I don't have a taste for it.

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    19. Puppy baskets do you feel a pull to deal with people on an individual basis? Do you find you are more influential that way?

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    20. A-i saw something I couldn't unsee. The illusion was shattered. I had to take a step back.

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    21. A & puppy baskets- do you ever want to stop playing your part in the illusion just to see what would happen?

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    22. And I said in an earlier post its all about the payoff. I meant in the grand scheme if things. I realize they may not see it that way.

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    23. Anon I have tried that before but people tend to seek me out as an arbitrator or leader so I rarely have that opportunity. I deal with people on an individual basis all the time. I have this vibe about me I am told that makes even strangers approach me and start telling me their troubles or life's story and asking my advice. I shit you not I will be sitting on a bench having a smoke and BOOM stranger just pouring out their troubles to me. I talk with them and they always seem to leave a little better off. I am the number one person my friends and acquaintances come to to arbitrate differences and get advice from.

      It may be because I don't get invested and therefore can offer solutions and I am really good at driving down to the core of the problem. I am also very solution oriented. I can look at things without emotional baggage and I am brutally honest with people. I have learned how to talk with people about ways to deal with their problems and I while I no longer fake empathy I do have a lot of life experience I can share. This seems to work better.

      Many times when people think they want empathy they actually seem to be helped more if you just tell them of a similar experience you have had and how you dealt with it. A lot of people seem to give advice on things they have no experience with or add their emotional baggage or judgement to the advice. This tends to make the advice seeker get their back up and ignore the advice. I tend to listen, ask questions, dig down to see if this is a reoccurring pattern in the persons life and then dig back down to find out why it is, then offer solutions on how to break the pattern. Sometimes people just need you to listen and I do that well too.

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  4. I've never met a real person - not abused by a psycho or their like - in life who would ever wish to become sociopathic. Exchange the peace & fulfillment they feel inside for fakery and fake social interactions and fake rewards?

    You don't seem to understand: the only people who crave sociopathy are 1) ignorant, 2) potentially socio anyway (have some genes / experience with one), 3) NOT satisfied with life.

    I somewhat fit the bill last year, when I was at the worst point in my life and desperate for a heart to heart but having no one to fully understand me. Even then the main reason was because I wanted the pain of betrayal (especially the closest family member who I used to think was a saint with ADD) to end and sociopathy seemed like a permanent cure...and even then half of me struggled intensely against it because I saw how IRRATIONAL and deliberately stupid the narcs and psychos were in their actions.

    You'll NEVER ever come anywhere close to getting a real good read on anyone else. Eventually - a few months or years at most - it'll all break down and you'll have to run again. Work on yourself these silly games are for kids (they need to...).



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    1. 'Work on yourself these silly games are for kids (they need to...)."

      Sure seems to be the case for you.

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    2. I'm far from perfect and certainly have made mistakes. I'm not, and never was thanks to God, a hypocrite.

      I really feel for sociopaths & I firmly believe sociopathy can be harnessed toward a truly beneficial, productive & ethical direction. I don't think those of you who call yourselves sociopaths have any clue what your REAL potential is. When, God-willing, you connect to your hearts you'll realize what I mean.

      The biggest challenge is overcoming the trust issues which many of you understandably have.

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    3. Oh..? What is this I hear, Joanie?

      You "firmly believe that sociopathy can be harnessed toward a truly beneficial, productive and ethical direction."?

      Well, now. Isn’t that what I’ve been saying all along, in response to your literal demonizing of psychopathy?

      Does this candid about-face mean that you are ready to admit that you were wrong: about the nature of this personality disorder, my being your post traumatic specter, the Ghost of Philip Past, and maybe… just maybe… Islam?

      Yes, sociopaths have trust issues. That makes us very selective, and judicious in terms of those in whom we place our confidence. It helps us to be good judges of character, to understand the hidden and often subconscious motivations of others, and to make wise choices.

      Placing your trust in Mohammed is a poor choice. He was a charlatan.

      Take it from a sociopath who has spent the past decade "harnessing her traits towards a truly beneficial, productive & ethical direction".

      And if you are honest with yourself, narc, you will admit that there are ways in which you are a hypocrite, too. God willing, you will connect with your mind, and realize what I mean. ;)

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    4. Hey A!!!

      I missed you.:)

      I think we are telepathically linked!!!

      I was watching a movie that mentioned Kierkegaard, and since M.E. recently had posts on Kierkegaard-it made me think of this site, and then I wondered when you would post again, and then I got on the computer after the movie, AND THERE YOU WERE!!!

      SO COOL!!!

      ~Vegas

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    5. Jonaid and A:

      "You "firmly believe that sociopathy can be harnessed toward a truly beneficial, productive and ethical direction."?"

      "Well, now. Isn’t that what I’ve been saying all along, in response to your literal demonizing of psychopathy?"

      [Yes Joniad I know you don't think you're particularly Aspie but being hfAspie, you wouldn't, would you...8-)]

      A mere suggestion: it's more a case of *how* you say something than what you say, to someone who has a neurologically-based inflexibility of thinking.
      Picking up on the typical circular manner of cognition is also a clue.
      Joniad is very smart, but often mistakes nuance of meaning. He has an Aspie fixation of 'real [ie. highly disturbed aggressive] psychopaths are demons', which is close enough to the truth to not cause much contention.

      KAT

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    6. I never bothered & and still don't bother to invest my energy in pointless & fake social interactions. I could easily be the life of the party but my dominant side is not inclined to it.

      In my entire family I'm the "odd" one out. Now anyone but I will likely think there's something wrong with me, that I lack something...there might be a kernel of truth in that but overall it's a failure to understand different desires, different mindsets, different motivations.

      Despite being told by everyone that I should watch Game of Thrones I don't. Why? I'd probably get into it if I watched half a season...that's why. Once I get hooked, there goes hours & hours of my time on what is ultimately pointless BS the likes of which were made before & will continue to be made.

      My apologies if I sounded too self-important or something. I can only use my own experience to highlight the fact that psychologists have no clue what a healthy mind is. I think real "aspies" are just too bright to fall into the traps set up everywhere in our pseudo, entertainment culture.

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    7. Jonaid,

      When coming across Aspies socially, they seem to be a group that are both accepting and non-judgmental of difference, often having been taken advantage of themselves in their lives, by malicious bullies.

      " I think real "aspies" are just too bright to fall into the traps set up everywhere in our pseudo, entertainment culture."

      I've found that to be, again, absolutely true. Aspies seem refreshingly free of artifice, superficiality and 'bling-worship'.

      "I can only use my own experience to highlight the fact that psychologists have no clue what a healthy mind is."

      Very often that is the case; and most are totally clueless when faced with neuro-diverse clients. However, one can, by being ruthlessly selective, find the odd one who has expertise in that area, who does not try to make their client more 'normal', but who instead offers an exploration re insights and helpful techniques to increase understanding of the nuances of interpersonal interactions.

      I'm not saying you need a shrink BTW. I'm not an advocate of psychological 'brain transplants' - just to let 'normals' have an easier time of it with the neuro-diverse, and no Aspie advocates would either.
      Rather it's a case of if one did wish to choose that option: find an experienced ASD shrink, stick to your guns that you're different BUT NOT faulty, and you can 'train 'em up' to be of help. I assure you, you have both the determination, application and reasoning power to insist that any selected shrink aids you rather than hinders.
      8-)
      KAT

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    8. I agree with everything you said. I don't have anything against shrinks...I'm saying the "science" is largely unreliable. As for me (and I know you didn't say outright I need a shrink) I assure you I'm far beyond the need of a shrink now. God literally cured me of depression & mood swings & paranoia in a single night and then gave me way, way more than I could have dreamt of. I realize none of you understand what I mean and some of you at least probably think I'm "off" or something. Still, I know what I know and maybe one day some of yous might too.

      Good Night!

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    9. Jonaid,
      8-) you misunderstand. I didn't mean a bit of aid in this:

      "cured me of depression & mood swings & paranoia"

      I just meant a few tips on how not to misunderstand people's meanings ie. social adeptness tips. There's nothing wrong with you and you're not 'off' emotionally or intelligence-wise.
      Sigh. 8-)

      Good night.

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    10. Thank you that's kind of you. Apologies for misunderstanding.

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  5. M.E.-

    I LOVE YOUR RE-TWEET, OF THE DOG IN THE CAR!!!

    HA!!! LOL!!!

    THAT WAS AWESOME!!!

    ~Vegas

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    1. M.E.-

      PS-I see your sweet side.:)

      THE SONG OF THE DAY IS FOR YOU!!!

      Marcy Playground

      SexAndCandy

      ~Vegas

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    2. Imagine if that was a baby instead of a dog. Would it still be funny?




      It would be next level funny. :P

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    3. Damaged-

      OMG!!!

      That would definitely be "next level funny".:)

      HA!!! LOL!!!

      PS-Hemingway House 6-Toed Cat Count: -4

      The army builds.:)

      ~Vegas

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    4. Damaged-

      PS-Did you "binge watch" Game of Thrones???

      ~Vegas

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    5. This "Summer's Eve Manly Mistake" commercial TOTALLY CRACKS ME UP!!!

      HA!!! LOL!!!

      SummersEveManlyMistake

      ~Vegas

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    6. I haven't started watching Game of Thrones yet. I'll start in a day or 2. I have to get something out of the way first.

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    7. Damaged-

      No pressure-I was just curious.:)

      ~Vegas

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    8. Damaged-

      PS-Hemingway House 6-toed cat count: -5

      You have been busy.:)

      ~Vegas

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  6. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KmkVWuP_sO0

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  7. If admiring empath readers knew the reality of sociopathy they would likely recognize many "misfits" and lots of outsiders belonging nowhere. Perhaps then these readers would watch their superhero movies and not link this to psychopathy? The condition is not something 99% of average people would want.

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  8. Posted by A:

    "Yes, sociopaths have trust issues. That makes us very selective, and judicious in terms of those in whom we place our confidence. It helps us to be good judges of character, to understand the hidden and often subconscious motivations of others, and to make wise choices."

    I have, to date, been trusting of everyone. It goes back to my father, naturally, and my implicit trust of him, and an unfounded optimism that he would care for me. I remember the choice I made as a child to trust him, even as he was drunk and lying on my chest so that I couldn't breathe (fairly frequent occurrence). My sister screamed and tried to get away, but I ... trusted him. Of course, I was his favourite and that had its own benefits.

    I was thinking yesterday that inculcating a healthy or even strong degree of wariness is essential to my health and thriving.

    It interests me, the contrasting or various adaptations to narc parents. I'm sure my childhood was rosy compared to many others' but there's still so much to learn, so much to grow into.

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    1. Research proposal - Appendix:

      Due to the possible likelihood [during any parasite resilience and increased muscle-mass field trials] Sock puppetus ssp. Ass escapes its closed environment into the wider ecosystem, possibly causing an extreme collapse of several currently at-risk ecological niches, it is recommended that PP Security Consultants be placed on retainer, to provide appropriate and timely Pest Extermination expertise and logistical support for this project.

      KAT

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    2. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      North,

      !!!!.

      Please ignore the above comment. It's a postscript to a longer, humourous one, which seems to have been 'swallowed' twice now, a day apart! About a suggested breeding program and field trails regarding the barely sentient pest species Sock puppetus ssp. Ass.

      KAT

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    3. Kitkatpaddywhack-i know you are but what am i

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    4. "Kitkatpaddywhack-i know you are but what am i"

      The mean in meaningless
      The point to pointlessness
      The ignore of ignorance

      ie. Ass, (noun) def: an online mechanism to create derogatory, passive-aggressive comment in blog exchanges; purpose being, to increase quantity but decrease quality of comments, under the belief that conflict is of more vicarious interest than accord.

      Now: 'disappear' that, Oh 'non'-moderating [yeah right] blog.
      Testing, just testing. LOL.
      UR KATatonically predictable.

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    5. Wow, I read this and it made me think this is exactly what you do K@. You're very good at doing that. I feel free to say the best I've seen.

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    6. Ass,

      You are correct. I very much mirror responses that come my way.
      If someone is nice to me, I am nice to them, if they are not, I'm not.

      The difference between an Ass and a KAT pertains to the 'purpose' statement within the definition of Ass.

      KAT (verb) def: active encouragement and illustration of the value of reciprocity, to the eventual benefit of many, rather than the amusement of a malicious few.

      "I feel free to say the best I've seen."

      You think?? [Oh. Of course. You try not to]. Anyway; the response is: whatever. Competing for attention is of little interest - believe it or not, Ass. The preference is for interesting dialogue, satirical humour by others, and 'chatting pleasantly'.

      It would be useful if this reply helps you recalibrate your approach to all. If not, you may well become the ignore in ignorant. Which, for an Attention-seeking sham, may not suit.
      So 'feel free' to be nice. Possibly, being genuine might be a little too difficult without much professional encouragement, for you to 'go there', initially.

      KATerwauling with laughter.

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    7. Katiwampuss katastrophe - aren't you the chatty Kathy

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    8. You're showing more of a female catty streak than anyone else here.

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    9. Well I should be ashamed! But I'm not

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  9. It's pretty weird being a "bi." I am part Empath and part Psychopath, part Sociopath and I am tending toward ASPD as the current "politically correct" Jargon (Anti-social Personality Disorder).
    Whatever you call us we are not very nice.

    HOMO SAPIENS. that is. Don't worry. We are on the way to species suicide.

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  10. On the topic of "Celebrity Sociopaths":

    Does anyone think Amber Heard is a sociopath???

    From what I understand-Johnny Depp did not get a pre-nup...

    ~Vegas

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    1. PS-

      I wonder if he is wishing he was still with Vanessa Paradis, right about now...

      ~Vegas

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      I don't understand how people who are rich and famous, fail to get a pre-nup, before they get married...

      ~Vegas

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    3. Vegas- I love Johnny Depp. Do you think he physically abused her? I find it so hard to believe!

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    4. Anon @ 2:46-

      I love Johnny Depp, too.:) You know-I don't know if he physically abused her or not. It'll be interesting to see, as the story unfolds. It'll also be interesting to see, how much money she walks away with...

      ~Vegas

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    5. Vegas I haven't read a ton about it but there is just something about her I don't like. Something just doesn't seem right. And no I don't know how anyone couldn't have a prenup. That's just asking for it! ;-)

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    6. Vegas weird I missed your post about her being a possible sociopath. I was thinking the same thing!

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    7. Anon @ 6:42 & 6:47-

      I TOTALLY AGREE!!!

      There is definitely something about Amber Heard, that I don't like, as well. I completely agree-something doesn't seem right. Seeing what's happening now made me wonder, if she is a sociopath...

      Being rich and famous and not having a pre-nup these days, is asking for it!!!

      ~Vegas

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    8. Anon @ 6:42 & 6:47-

      Do I remember correctly, that you either are or were married, to a sociopath???

      I realize that is a personal question, and you don't have to answer, if you don't want to.:)

      ~Vegas

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    9. Anon @ 6:42 & 6:47-

      Will you start signing with a name, like I am, so I can tell you apart from the other Anons???

      If not-I understand.:)

      ~Vegas

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    10. Vegas I was with one or two sociopaths;-) but they are gone now. How about you? No I don't like Amber. I want to tell Johnny to run!! I really don't think he did anything. He's too cool for all that. I hope anyway.

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    11. Vegas I will use a :-) with you. I know it's confusing. I'm so weird about being anonymous on here. I wish I didn't have to be. ;-)

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    12. Anon @ 8:04 & 8:12-

      I thought I had remembered you being with a sociopath, or two.:)

      I think I am married to one, although he has not been diagnosed.

      There's something different about Amber, that I can't quite "put my finger on". People are also saying she manipulated him from the start, and she is also bisexual. None of these things are definitive that she is a sociopath, but it makes me wonder more and more...

      RUN, JOHNNY, RUN!!!

      HA!!! LOL!!!

      Personally, I really don't think he did anything, either. She says he has been abusing her for years, and generally word will get out or someone will witness something by this point, if that is the case...

      HE IS WAY COOL!!!

      I hope he isn't an abuser.:(

      I like the :-). Thank you, for doing that!!! I didn't start getting confused with the Anons, until the day where there were a lot of posts from Anon, Anon 2, etc., and then I started getting confused.:(

      The :-) isn't confusing, though!!! I don't think there's anything weird, about wanting to be an Anon on this site.:) I wish it wasn't that way, too.:)

      ~Vegas

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    13. Vegas I'm positive that one person I was with is a sociopath. Like bet the farm on it positive. But the other I really don't know. Its very weird. I don't know what they are. Oh well. I hope the truth comes out about Amber. I feel sorry for him. I like it that his daughter and Xwife stood up for him. That says a lot. :-)

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    14. Anon @ 9:51-

      I'm positive my husband is a sociopath, as well. I like that-"bet the farm on it positive"-that's exactly what it is for me, too.

      The truth will come out about Amber-the truth almost always comes out-eventually. I feel sorry for Johnny, too.:( I'm glad Vanessa Paradis and his daughter Lily Rose, stood up for him, as well-that does say a lot!!!

      ~Vegas

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    15. Hi,

      I was wondering the same about Amber Heard. And I'm pretty sure she is a sociopath or something close to that. First, her sexuality, then the fact that she is destroying Johnny Depp right now who looks pretty bad. He has looked bad since he is with her, didn't seem happy deep down. I also think that this looks like she is either lying or has managed to push him so far that he became aggressive (which I hope not, but don't really think so).
      I have pretty much immediately thought she was a sociopath: also declaring a war three days after the death of his mum is totally not empath. I really hope she gets nothing from this divorce and get blacklisted in the cinema industry then.
      I'm French and love Vanesa Paradis, so I hope one day they get back together, this was a beautiful love story filled with true love. What a shame...

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  11. Trust is a lot more then deciding which individuals to place your confidence in. It is a state of mind which allows you to operate in the world without being hyper alert or cynical without sufficient reasons.

    A healthy mind realizes that the chances of you NOT being screwed over are much, much higher than vice versa - especially if you're an honest person.

    Unfortunately the sociopath mind's default state is: no one & nothing is trustworthy until I have sufficient evidence to conclude otherwise. One major problem (apart from it being delusional) is that a sociopath will automatically distrust anyone or anything they don't understand. If someone is smarter than them, they won't feel comfortable trusting them and they likely won't accept that they could be less intelligent. It's obvious why they end up at a dead end.

    No matter much you tell yourselves otherwise, you're suffering from an EMOTIONAL crisis. Most of you were probably deprived of that genuine affection necessary for a healthy state of mind. My upbringing was fine but I definitely inherited some cynicism...far below what socios seem to have.

    You have to recognize this & accept it & then you'll begin to heal. After that you'll do brilliant because you'll appreciate empathy, emotions & inner peace far more than the "normal" person.

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  12. Jonaid,

    "Unfortunately the sociopath mind's default state is: no one & nothing is trustworthy until I have sufficient evidence to conclude otherwise."

    Absolutely, totally, true.

    " Most of you were probably deprived of that genuine affection necessary for a healthy state of mind."

    Absolutely true.

    "You have to recognize this & accept it & then you'll begin to heal. After that you'll do brilliant because you'll appreciate empathy, emotions & inner peace far more than the "normal" person."

    !!!???!!. [What?? What??? Jonaid's onto it!]
    No truer word spoken. Totally. Absolutely true.
    [I knew it was worth the patience and insults! 8-) broad smile]. Peace, to coin your phrase.

    KAT

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  13. Wa Alaykum Salam

    It means "and peace be upon you too"

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  14. M.E.-

    Your tweets and re-tweets are really making me giggle these days.:)

    ~Vegas

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  17. Let us be clear,a sociopath is much kinder than empath

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  18. We already have sociopath abilities. Such hubris!! Look it up

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