Sunday, April 14, 2013

Caring

People sometimes ask me if I like not having to care about anything. This question is absurd. Being a sociopath doesn't mean that you can do whatever you want with no consequences, e.g. to your world view, the way your mind works, your vision of your self, your tastes and appetites, to say nothing of all of the societal consequences. If I start killing people, it will change me. Even if I steal from someone, it will change me. Every time I do something I ask myself, what are all the ramifications of this? How will this effect me or my life? Do I even know how yet? Is this something that I want?

Imagine that you were raised in a strictly religious household that followed basic Judeo-Christian theories of morality. After you leave and denounce your god, on your way to the tattoo shop, do you stop by your enemy's house to kill him? No? But you no longer believe there is a god! Wasn't the only reason that you weren't killing because God told you not to? What about if you suddenly woke up without a conscience? Now you would start killing?

There are legitimate reasons why things are considered socially reprehensible, apart from them also being morally "wrong" -- not always, but frequently. Living by the rules is an easy way to make sure you don't have to face unintended consequences -- the same reason that people might not want to eat street food, or even food from an off-brand label, or buy their prescription drugs out of the back of a van for cheap. If you are willing to take risks for something, there is a lot to be gained by being a social arbitrageur, walking the untread path, making your own rules, etc. But understand that it will entail risks. And people are unsympathetic if your risk taking involved something considered morally wrong, like seducing somebody's wife, and you end up with a bullet in your head.

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  1. Let's say i seduced my neighbor's wife and he shot me in the head. After i got back from the hospital, with a clear scar over my forehead should i kill him and get myself in trouble or should i get on with my life and be more careful from now on or simply not seduce the wives in the neighborhood ? What do you think people ? A simple question of ethics.

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    1. If he missed me and all I have is a scar, I'd sue him for all he has. After attempting a murder and losing everything he owned, his wife wouldn't stay with him, I like ironic ends.

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    2. @ 11:17. You read like the typical coward. Hiding behind the law. Bullet in the head? Scar? Seems to my like Mr. Shooter should be worried about when he's going to get his arms and legs broken, and his head ripped off of his neck. If anywhere, the bullet should go to the unfaithful slut wife.

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    3. @ 6:23
      Please. You'll be the first guy they bring in for questioning. 11:17 is right. Bring down poetic justice on Mr. Shooter like the hammer of Thor.

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    4. lol. it's easy to tell @ 6:23 has no clue. Hey @ 6:23, i'm a sociopath, i've been shot twice, once was a hunting accident by my father, I was in the wrong I was out of position. The second time was on purpuse by a drug dealer. Which one do you think I brutally murdered with a chainsaw or hatchet or whatever? Neither. Never even had the slightest urge to. You're watching too many scurrrry movies about weirdos in Texas with chainsaws and confusing that with sociopaths. It's like when people think that Satanism is actually about "the devil." Nope, just because someone doesn't buy into the same dogma that you do doesn't mean they're out having sex with goats in the woods and drinking the blood of virgins. Seriously, be MORE afraid of something/someone different. Different, not bad, different. like how a gay man has a different sexual orientation than a straight man, just different, not better not worse, just different. You like Chocolate? I like vanilla. are you the evil one or am I for our choice in which combination of tastebuds are activated together? Do you not pursue things that interest you? Do you not strive to improve your life? Are you content with having a crap life? Have you ever gamed a system, maybe turned in a fake note from home to the school office to excuse an absense, maybe your dog ate your homework once, have you ever lied to cover your ass or to improve your life in anyway? If you and your friend were hiking in the woods of Alaska and a grizzley bear charged the both of you, would you run as fast as you could, or would you intenionaly run slower than your friend to sacrifice yourself so he could get away? Listen closely, this world sensationalizes everything to a ridiculous degree most of the time, so here's the cold hard truth straight from "one of them psychos" I have been told countless thousands of times that I am the nicest person someone has ever met in their life. My phone has more contacts than anybody I have ever met and they would all drop what they were doing in an instant to do me a favor if I asked them because I have done massive favors for them, i've even saved the lives of 47 of them, I know this because I have kept track of the number of people walking this earth that are alive exclusively because I intervened in some way or another to save them from perishing. And Each time I saved them instinctively because I don't want people to die. Most murderers aren't sociopaths by the way, but take it from someone who is "in the club," every single President, King, whatever a country calls it's leader (and everybody who is vying for their job) IS a sociopath. This isn't a new phenomenon either, all the way back through all of time it's been this way and always will be. We just like figuring out how a system works then using that knowledge to advance our lives in some way or another. In another setting you might call that person and engineer, we're extremely similar in our propensity to figure out all the oving parts, so to speak, and use that knowledge to advance. It's the same skill set you may have used to progress through school; you learn, then you use that knowledge to improve. that's it really, we are just the outliers on the bell curve that EVERYBODY falls under. We all have the same bell shaped roof over our heads, why discriminate against your neighbor just because we notice more than most people do?

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  2. i think you would first have a congratulations in order for surviving a shot to the head

    the rest, in terms of what is ethically right, may depend on your view

    some might suggest that you need to be a little more careful
    some others might not seduce

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  3. I think killing him is the ethical choice. Let's assign number values to the nasty deeds done that day.

    Sleeping with wife: 9 Nastiness
    Shooting in head: 21 Nastiness

    Differential: 12 points, or +133%

    Assuming he was an empath and following the golden rule, clearly he wants you to respond with an act 133% worse than shooting someone in the head.

    SOLUTION
    Saw off his penis, cauterize the wound, shit on his face, turn his balls into pin cushions, inject powdered glass directly into his bloodstream. Not necessarily in that order.

    Only rates a 40 on the nastiness scale, so you'd be the better man for letting him off easy.

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    1. "Heroin" is a drug.
      "Heroine" is Wonder Woman.
      Learn your homophones.

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  4. ME,your posts over the past couple of days have been especially interesting! Thanks for all the insights!

    Peter Pan, what logical rationalization! So if you initiate a wrong doing and the person responds in a way that is louder and harsher than your wrong doing it erases what you did in the first place. You don't think that there are some extra points deserved because you started the problem? Powdered glass in my veins, ouch! Here, take my wallet..... Sure hope you don't live anywhere near me!

    So, ME, it sounds like you "care" but not for any of the reasons that us empaths do. You don't "care" about the person. You just care about the outcome that an action of yours, good or bad produces for you. Am I correct? How about your mother? Do you "care" about her? What would the feeing be like for you if she died? What if you knew that she died a painful death. If you don't like your mother, substitute the person in your life that you are the most fond of.
    Zan

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    1. Logical rationalization...yes. A cost-benefit analysis. No emotion or conscience required. There are social restraints (consequences) but no morality.

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  5. This question is for the sociopaths on this site. I realize that I have had alot questions and have taken up alot of space here with my thoughts etc. I just want ask if that is OK with everyone. I think that this blog is for sociopaths and it does not say that empath are permitted or not. If this is a place where sociopaths feel they can go as a reprieve from us empaths, I suppose I could understand that. From everything I have read on this blog, it sounds like it isn't easy. The last thing I want to be is a fly in the soup, so to speak by barging in, in a way that maybe I am not welcome. If that is the case, I will continue to read but I won't participate as much. Be honest. Wish I could say you wouldn't hurt my feelings like you all can, but, oh well, you know the deal. I will suck it up if I have to.
    Zan

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  6. "Aw judge, your damned laws -- the good people don't need 'em and the bad people don't pay any attention to 'em... so what good are they?" -Ammond Hennessy

    Sounds like ole Ammond was wrong on this one.

    Interesting post, m.e. It's cool to see how you think through your actions and really awesome to see that you do. A lot of "empaths" don't.

    Trouble with many empaths is that they do rely on their conscience, but it is often weak, just like any muscle you ignore long enough - it atrophies. It's not as automatic, nor as loud as you might imagine. The process you describe herein describes how good parents teach their kids right from wrong. Done early and often enough with a child who is genetically predisposed to be neurotypical, it internalizes and produces guilt when not followed. If not done at all or done poorly, even someone who is genetically an empath will not develop a strong internal moral compass. They will just view that "feeling" of guilt as a minor annoyance. Though they feel it, they don't react to it. Like an anorexic with hunger, or a morbidly obese person with satiety, morally atrophied empaths don't recognize their own feelings. Those folk are far more dangerous than a self-aware sociopath.

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    1. robin- Are you serious? You sound like someone who has never done heroine, talking about doing heroine. Just because the empath has "feelings", doesn't mean that they can't rationalize a 20 year jail sentence. They just don't have to think about negative consequences as long.

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  7. Hey now, it's an eye for an eye, not a head for an eye. Another way to look at it would be do unto others as you would have them do unto you, but certainly not do unto others as you would have them do to you 2-3 times more extreme.

    But you do have a point, Zan. Those 9 initial points need to be accounted for.

    We'll subtract the 9 nastiness points (NP) of the initial transgression from the 21 NP for attempted murder.

    12 NP + 133% makes roughly 28 points of nastiness deserved. So maybe we don't cauterize the wound or shit on his face.

    28 NP. Even Steven.

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  8. I am the guy that asked the question.

    In my opinion i should fucking kill the bastard but given that revenge wouldn't help me in any other way than personal satisfaction, i find it that it isn't worth the trouble. Aspie has a point there. It depends on situation. If any opportunity to crush him spans i will take it but i won't fuck up my free time to pursue the fuck. Thanks guys, most inspiring.

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  9. In my opinion, you should demonstrate your superiority and command of the situation by killing yourself.

    You will succeed where he failed!

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  10. Your my man, Harry!
    Zan

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  11. I don't know for certain but i think that harry lime is an empath, using sarcasm like that. How the fuck did u get offended asshole?

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  12. "Let's say i seduced my neighbor's wife and he shot me in the head. After i got back from the hospital, with a clear scar over my forehead should i kill him and get myself in trouble or should i get on with my life and be more careful from now on or simply not seduce the wives in the neighborhood ? What do you think people ? A simple question of ethics."

    Id personally go back and slowly torture the mother f*cker for shooting me. ut thats just me. lol

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  13. 'SOLUTION
    Saw off his penis, cauterize the wound, shit on his face, turn his balls into pin cushions, inject powdered glass directly into his bloodstream. Not necessarily in that order.

    Only rates a 40 on the nastiness scale, so you'd be the better man for letting him off easy.'
    I enjoy this idea. I think it would be fitting.

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  14. Anon: "How the fuck did u get offended asshole?"

    Stupidity is really more of an aesthetic problem. I'm not offended by your idiocy, but it is difficult to observe it without stepping in to make an adjustment.

    Not being sarcastic at all. I do believe you will bring clarity to the issue being discussed and resolve your 'stupidity' problem by (finally) killing yourself.

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  15. I don't think I read anywhere that this site was a "repreive for sociopaths." I can't see what cause there would be for such a site.

    "imagine that you were raised in a strictly religious household that followed basic judeo christian theories of morality." This I fully understand. There isn't any reason for an Atheist, raised Religious to kill, just because of the sudden freedom.

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  16. Pandora, are you an empath?

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  17. well, I was diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder but I think Im an empath with an anger problem. lol. But I do respect sociopaths, on many levels.

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  18. Hi Pandora,
    Is your anger a result of life circumstances or is your anger part of the makeup of your personality? I have learned recently that alot of the traits that exist in my personality are built in but I for many years have thought that they were a result of bad childhood experiences. I find it frustrating trying to understand and sort through all the crap in attempts to understand myself. Do you find that to be true for yourself, Pandora? Anyone else struggle with this?
    Zan

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  19. Probably our "built in" traits affect and are affected by the environment and this can cause for some uncertainty as to what is what cause things can get mixed/entangled. Perhaps one can become more aware of what is going on. I wonder though, for a given individual, if much of oneself can ultimately be expressed in the way one wishes, separate from the affecting/affected/fixed. I don't know.

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  20. Aspie,
    That's a really good point. What I am beginning to learn is that we have control of how we express ouselves as individuals if we are willing to become aware of our behavior and thoughts leading up to our behavior.

    First we have to be aware that something isn't right with our life or that it is in some way unmanageable. We have to want a better life and reconize that we need to take steps to change it. This maybe is not what you meant, Aspie.

    I have been working on addressing some of my character traits that have gotten me into some trouble over the years. It is wonderful to see how your life changes for the postive when you make some changes in yourself, but, I'll tell you, it is damn hard.

    I was doing such a great job at justifying my behavior that I could not see that it was wrong and hurting other people. Yes, I may have had my reasons. Yes, I might have been wronged, but my "bigger" wrong did not make the first wrong right, and only served to hurt people that were not fully aware that they had hurt me.

    That's an example of the long story, short. You may have just been referring to how we got to be the way we are to begin with and I took it a step further. Oh well, that's just me. You know us empaths, were so flawed compared to the socios. We are always needing to work on ourselves...lol.
    Zan

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    1. Sounds like maturity to me. At some point you realize what you're doing isn't working or is causing more harm than good. It's progress at least.

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  21. I think in my case its a combination, but my personality has been built around certain instances in which I felt victimized and lacked adequate emotional support during my formative years. Normally,Ive been told most women internatlize these experiences and tend to become "depressed" or feel self hateful and self destructive. I on the other hand chose to "lash out" or act out my anger towards others, though the behaviour tends to be self destructive in the long run. Im aware of this, and very conscious of it but fail to make any long term changes, even when Ive tried.

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  22. I only do "bad" things if I feel there will be minimal consequence, or as little ramification on myself as possible. That's not to say I'd start killing - I have never killed anyone, and I wouldn't. It's like how I wouldn't be a sexual predator or anything like that. Part of me worries that the reason I don't do these things is not because I don't have a conscience, but just because it's just not to my taste.

    The idea of killing a person is subjective and almost abstract to me. I can see why one might kill another, and I can understand why murders happen. My question is, if you kill someone by way of revenge for say, fucking your wife, where do you stop? You've broken the seal then, why not just fucking kill everyone? Why is it seen as understandable to commit murder in some cases and not with others? Killing a person is killing a person, full stop.
    This is the bizarre thing about humans.

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    1. Yes killing a person is just that. But there's self-defense in which you wouldn't have committed murder under normal circumstances. Killing a person in combat isn't murder. There's 1st and 2nd degree murder where premeditation comes into question. So perhaps everyone is capable of killing another person but the motivation to inhibit or exhibit that behavior is different.

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  23. You know, FD, I've tried to explain the idea of psychological barriers to my friends, but they don't get it. They justify doing certain things based on the circumstances, but circumstance is irrelevant if you want to maintain your integrity, whatever your reasons may be for doing so. If you break a personal rule, that personal rule is significantly weakened, no matter why you did what you did. It can be tough to re-establish them once broken. It's always best to consider whether you really want to break a barrier before doing something "just once".

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    1. i broke personal rule the other day without telling anyone. it was a very small one, but you know what??

      I would call another out for the same thing, so i tried it just to gfigure out how they felt . they're pretty normal, but whatev..

      I felt idk, sort of foolish to myself like maybe it was just boredom or something. If the friend found out they would be pissed. it is stupid to break personal rules bec then you lied to the person you wanted trust from. if you loset heir trust it is so hard to get it back. it creates all sort of problems and its best not to have something hanging out, say ,,on your computer when your friend you want trust from is liable to see.

      but then you feel confined. but what is the difference between feeling confined and feeling a responsibility to a loved one ? you will be there and a reliable friend, ie: not a fucking hypocrite and "liat".

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  24. Why is it seen as understandable to commit murder in some cases and not with others? Killing a person is killing a person, full stop.
    This is the bizarre thing about humans.


    People generally seem to have entitlement issues, either for their emotions or for some something they conceivably "own" (objects, other humans, pets, self-concept, etc.), in order to maintain some semblance of power or control over their life and surroundings. Most often than not, it's meant to prove some point either to ourselves or to others.

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  25. The real reason people don't kill is they know they couldn't get away with it.

    Killing creates more problems than it solves in all but the most extreme situations.

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  26. As far as a psychopath goes, the reason you are not a psychopath is because you have enough impulse control to consider and weigh the consequences.

    An empath can do this more quickly, and has an innate ability to sense or feel right and wrong but in general right and wrong are about the consequences you face if you commit the act.

    If there are no consequences to you for doing it then it's no longer wrong to do it. This doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do, it just means its not wrong. Right and wrong are based entirely on the consequences.

    I don't kill because I don't want to increase my risk of being killed. Most people who go around killing people either die at a young age or they go to prison. There is no way to kill and get away with it and even if killing were completely legal it would only happen in the context of a duel for specific reasons like property, mates, etc.

    Indiscriminate killing is just stupid. Killing for petty emotional reasons is stupid also. Killing in the context of a war is acceptable only if the war is righteous. I suppose a psychopath wouldn't care if the war is righteous or not, but righteous wars tend to produce more favorable outcomes.

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  27. "So, ME, it sounds like you "care" but not for any of the reasons that us empaths do. You don't "care" about the person. You just care about the outcome that an action of yours, good or bad produces for you. Am I correct? How about your mother? Do you "care" about her? What would the feeing be like for you if she died? What if you knew that she died a painful death. If you don't like your mother, substitute the person in your life that you are the most fond of.
    Zan"

    As a rational empath I must address this. If there is no reason to care about a person then why care about a person you don't know? Sure it's nice to pretend we live in a world where complete strangers look out for one another but we don't. We live in a world where you look out for yourself or you get abused.


    I feel empathy but I focus it on the people who are important in my life, the people who care about me "deserve" my empathy while the rest do not. So the rest can live, die, suffer or be happy and I simply don't care unless they get in my way. If they try to prevent me from being happy then they become an obstacle, a problem to solve, a burden.

    It does not matter if one is an empath or psychopath, we all want the same things out of life and we will generally get those things by any means necessary. We will manipulate, lie, cheat, steal, even resort to violence to secure our quality of life.

    Don't make the mistake of believing that an empath wont rob you at gunpoint if they had to for survival. The difference is that a psychopath would do it because they want to. I don't gain any sort of pleasure from being nasty because I am capable of empathy, but I'm also capable of being nasty in situations where empathy does not apply or does not work.

    Ethics cannot and should not be decided on by emotions. Any empath who believes right and wrong are mere feelings has no concept of what ethics truly are. Ethics are about doing what is right for you and those who care about you. Ethics are about bettering yourself and the lives of the people who care about you. The right action or set of actions will produce results which improve the quality of life for you and your loved ones.

    If your empathy gets in the way of self improvement, quality of life, security, and good results, then it's time to set your emotions aside and do the dirty work which needs to be done to produce the life you want.

    And of course you have to be smart about it. It's smart to manipulate but stupid to break the law. It's best to lie, cheat, and steal from your enemies if you can get away with it because you know your enemies would do it to you if they could get away with it. It's wise to offer friendship to anyone who will accept it but to be prepared to battle anyone who wont or cant.

    To the psychopaths here, there is a difference between wimpy "empaths" who are saps, and strong "Empaths". The wimpy "empath" will be unable to control their emotions and will be easily manipulated by psychopath and empath alike. They have no real concept of right and wrong anymore than a psychopath does but they follow their gut. Just like a fish on a hook.

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  28. Every action will aid or hinder you in some way; in any situation I find myself in, I will always look for the option that will benefit me the most. Usually this involves the act of pretending to be like everyone else (but more generous, altruistic and saying exactly what people want to hear all the time, instead of getting into unnecessary arguments).

    But occasionally what is best for you will involve violating social norms. True there is a risk factor whenever those opportunities arises, but sometimes the risk is worth the reward. So yes, I do care a great deal about everything I do; maybe just in a different way.

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  29. This is on a slightly different topic---Gaslighting. I have been thinking about it after my talk with L.A and Anon. I wonder if Gaslighting is the tool of the Mal Narc and no one else, basically.

    I can gaslight if I am trying to drive someone crazy but I will only do something like this if someone has hit me first and hard or I am just fooling around. Is the Mal Narc the main one that does Gaslighting like breathing?

    My other thought was that I learned about Gaslighting on here during fights. Gaslighting is so demeaning and so frustrating that I would sob with frustration and despair. I learned the nature of Gaslighting and then I could see it from my mother.

    The thing with Gaslighting that makes it so hard to see is that you doubt yourself and they subtly play on that doubt. With my garden, I saw it as clear as day because what could be wrong with having a garden and loving it. The Gaslighter will turn that into your being an idiot. It is hard to do with something as innocent as a garden, but they try.

    It can take one pivotal moment like this for you to really see the nature of Gaslighting. If the Gaslighter gets caught, he will say that he was just kidding and you took it wrong. That still makes you an idiot because you can't even take a joke.

    Why do the Mal Narc Gaslight? Can anyone explain the mechanism behind it? Is it unconscious like breathing or semi conscious?

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    1. Making people think less of themselves can make someone feel powerful and in control; it's like owning someone, and shaping them however you want them to be. Though a better use of gaslighting would be to remove someone that you don't like by lowering their self esteem until they are slowly abandoned by the people around them. People in general don't like being in the company of those who are depressed or weak.

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    2. Thanks Stasis
      That is very insightful. Is the person consciously aware of this, do you think?

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    3. Do you think the Mal Nacr has very little true sense of self?

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    4. Monica take a look at this

      from youtube :

      search: narcissism disease of self hate not self love reality and start at 455 to look at the woman in bright green. sorry but i can't even do url rt now

      ((My mother and the friend i dumped have this same painted-on look on their face. Both gaslight in different ways. Please tell me if you see gaslighting here))

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    5. "people dont like being in the presence of someone depressed or weak."


      TRUE !!

      I see it all the time so am very conscious in real life to limit. I had to limit contact with some people more depressed and weak than I.

      i thought most people very sensitive to their surroundings, who can see faces of others, are inclined to hide when feeling wounded or weak.

      It is natural, isn't it?

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    6. depression can be a relationship breaker. I limit my contact when i get that way.

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    7. Anon 10:34
      You didn't leave a link lol

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    8. i know. i dont know how to do it here. so put in the youtube search those words:

      "narcissism", "disease of self hate not self love" and " reality".

      you cant miss it or her. its a group therapy. start 455

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    9. Ok I will. You are as bad on the computer as I am :D

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    10. we's both retardattos?

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    11. sorry bec i just did it again, and now it did not happen with those search words.



      the therapist is jane goldberg at "20th street'.
      it's "part 4. "

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    12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F22ZFEPkmM

      Here is is, Anon.

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    13. thank you . did you look at that lady?

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    14. Perhaps by lowering the esteem other people have for themselves, a narcissist is creating a situation where they are more of a star in comparison to everyone else. It's like making yourself stand above everyone else not by raising yourself up, but by pushing everyone else down. I suppose it can be satisfying for them, but in the end they don't gain anything from it other than the illusion of being 'better'. As for whether they are conscious of this, it might vary from person to person.

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    15. The term "self aware narcissist" is an oxymoron.

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  30. caring is sharing
    GIMME :)

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    1. Andrea True ConnectionApril 14, 2013 at 10:41 AM

      more more more, how do you like it how do you like it?

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  31. Monica,
    Gaslighting is done with malicious intent to confuse and hurt the other person to gain some kind of control. I think every Personality disordered person does this not just mal/narcs. Once you notice it being done to you, you can either walk away for do it back to them..lol

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  32. Great comments. Thank you all! The weak thing hit me. I have been weak. I thought I had to be "nice" but it was weak. I got stronger, yesterday, and I have all the Narcs trembling. My problem was I let go of self respect and demanding repsect, in favor of niceness. What a fool I was, but I could not see beyond being"nice"

    Anon 10:20
    If someone effs with me enough, I can do gaslighting quite well~

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    1. Good! I'm glad for you. Don't take their crap.

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    2. Don't dish it out and they won't be slinging it your way.

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  37. From a neurotypical point of view, if you seduced your neighbor's wife and then get shot in the head, you deserved it and you're lucky if you didn't die. You shouldn't have seduced your neighbor's wife. It pissed him off and being shot in the head is his way of getting even with you. You don't get to go back and do something else to him because you already did something bad to him and you started the whole mess to begin with. Besides, the neighbor will probably go to jail for shooting you anyway. Don't you guys see that you ALREADY did something bad to this guy. He didn't just shoot you for the heck of it. If he had, I could understand wanting to get him back and make him suffer in some way, but you started the fight and he was just getting you back and giving you what you deserved.

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    1. Besides, if they do somehow miraculously survive a shot to the head, it'll just prolong the torture for them, it's just more opportunity for exacting revenge.

      I wouldn't forgive something like that, they would be wishing for death before I'd be done.

      There would be no coming back for revenge on their part. That's just silly.

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