Sunday, September 18, 2011

Preattentive processing

This was an interesting article discussing the progression of recent research that focused first on fearlessness as an explanation for much of psychopath's behaviors, then to attentional deficiencies (psychopaths don't direct their attention to scary things as much as neurotypicals), and most recently deficits in pre-attentive processing. From the Huffington Post and the author of "On Second Thought: Outsmarting Your Mind's Hard-Wired Habits":
Patrick Sylvers, of the University of Washington, working with Patricia Brennan and Scott Lilienfeld of Emory, suspected that psychopaths may suffer from a deficit in "preattentive processing" -- the constant, automatic scanning of one's surroundings that takes place outside of conscious awareness. Theoretically, if children lack this basic cognitive machinery, they would never learn to decode normal signs of danger, and without this acquired fear, they would fail to socialize into adults with conscience.
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The scientists gave the boys a visual test that measures unconscious emotional processing. Specifically, they wanted to see if the test subjects, compared with normal boys of the same age, were slower to become aware of fearful faces that were flashed rapidly -- so rapidly that they were not registered by the conscious mind. If so, this would be evidence that the troubled boys are not automatically assimilating threatening cues in their world. They also flashed happy, disgusted and neutral faces for comparison.

The results, reported online in the journal Psychological Science, were clear and provocative. Indeed, they comprise the first evidence ever that kids with psychopathic traits have a significant deficiency in their automatic, unconscious processing of certain cues -- especially fear cues, but also cues for disgust. Fear and disgust are closely related in the primitive mind, and the findings suggest that these troubled kids have a fundamental impairment in recognizing -- "in the blink of an eye" -- any kind of social danger. So perhaps the childhood roots of Hannibal Lecter's murderous personality lay not in fearlessness itself, nor even in his conscious thought processes, but rather in his general social cluelessness.
I hadn't heard the term pre-attentive processing, so I looked at the Wikipedia article for it and wasn't surprised to see that it is also associated with those on the autism spectrum. Apart from that, I still am not quite sure why the lack of preattentive processing would cause attentional problems. Presumably it's because certain things never even show up on the sociopath's radar, so of course they would never consciously/attentively register them?

The subject area is ripe for exploration. If this is a primary causal factor in sociopathic behavior, can this be treated? For instance, the wiki article suggests that by consciously focusing on particular tasks, preattentive processing will improve for information related to those specific tasks. How do preattentive processing defects relate (if at all) to sociopath/autistic supersensitivities or the concept of hyperfocus? Is it like how paraplegic people have super strong arms to compensate for the lost use of their legs? And on a more personal level, could this explain why my learning curve is shaped like an exponential function instead of a gradual increase, i.e. extremely flat at the beginning then sloping steeply up?

As I've said before, I really relate to the attentional theories for sociopathy, I'm very curious to see where this new research leads us.

A quick word on the who wrote the blurb -- this is the guy who advocates in his book that people force more thoughts out of their subconscious and into the conscious mind, something that I have always done both naturally and explicitly. You almost wonder if this guy is not a sociopath himself, or at least has trained himself to see the world more sociopathically. By the way, if you're interested in becoming similarly more sociopathic, Amazon tells me there are a slew of reading options including (according to one reviewer): THE ART OF CHOOSING, THE INVISIBLE GORILLA, THE HIDDEN BRAIN, PREDICTABLY IRRATIONAL, or MISTAKES WERE MADE (BUT NOT BY ME)

The abstract for the paper is here.

264 comments:

  1. All theories point to our advantageSeptember 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM

    Being the first always gives you the kind of power others worship.

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  2. Soooo, I didn't really miss anything yesterday, did I?

    On fear: try playing 'Amnesia: the Dark Descent'. Scary as shit.

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  4. why you repeat yourself every day erin? whhhhhy you no say something better?

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  6. like me hitting you in da head wida a sledgehammer?

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  11. So, in response to your comment, Sparkleplug, Erin has to say:

    "Whaa?

    LOL"

    intriguing...

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  12. Officially psychopathy and sociopathy are both just ASPD, but unofficially, people tend to use your definitions. But there really isn't any kind of consensus on the subject.

    Arguably the only difference between those terms is the way the disorder develops and manifests itself. For example: ASPD leans more on nurture, psychopathy is more nature and sociopathy is somewhere in between. ASPD'ers are generally thought to be the low-functioning petrol station robbers, psychopaths tend to be CEO's and once again, sociopathy covers the middle ground.

    I'm not trying to make any absolute statements here, these are just what I think to be the generally accepted unofficial definitions of ASPD/sociopathy etcetera etcetera.

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    So, in response to your comment, Sparkleplug, Erin has to say:

    "Whaa?

    LOL"

    intriguing...

    September 18, 2011 8:06 AM


    LMFAO

    :) and !

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  16. It's okay Erin. Wheatley did a nice job of summing up the differences. You can go back to dressing all your dogs.

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  18. You dogs look fucking terrified, Erin. That picture makes me think that you were in the midst of filming a homade doggy snuff film when you took it.

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  20. Actually from the positioning of the dog, the fancy costume and the bewildered look on his face it looks like you were filming a whole different kind of film...

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  21. What can I say Erin, other than:

    Whaa?

    LOL

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  23. What this article explores were the central subject of the last series of tests I was subjected to a few months back.

    I didn't know about the primitive mind's association between fear and disgust. I guess it explains my difficulty with recognizing this emotion in people. I always found it annoying because I'm so good at reading people in most other ways.

    I've had heard about the Autistic relation from a friend who has Asperger's Syndrome.

    Lately I've become more interested in High Functioning Autism, and I've noticed that apparently so are you.
    It's interesting - and puzzling - that Aspergers originally was defined as Autistic Psychopathy... or was it Psychopathic Autism?... It always seemed peculiar to me, for my friend is not antisocial in the last, and he's a disaster with social interaction.

    But perhaps I've been looking at the wrong places for info that could lead to an explanation. This seems to be a common trait in the human species, however:

    We expect to find the truth in bright colors and loud voices. But truth is not color or sound, it's an idea and a thought.

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  24. Psychopaths are the opposite of aspies.

    A psychopath is superior to an NT like an NT is superior to an aspie.

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  25. I wonder why M.E talks about aspbergers in most of his/her articles.

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  27. "What this article explores were the central subject of the last series of tests I was subjected to a few months back."

    *sigh* please shut up zwak. there were no tests, man you're sad.

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  28. baby socio love sadness

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  29. "for my friend is not antisocial in the last, and he's a disaster with social interaction."

    By 'my friend' i'm sure you're actually referring to yourself, and you ought to know all about aspergers, you have it after all. Why don't you write a blog about that instead, Zqawk? I'm sure that like your current blog, it will be ignored by most, but at least it would make sense.

    WV: Spent

    As in you are spent, Zqawk.

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  30. I've noticed if the psychos aren't making trouble on this blog, nothing much happens.

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  31. Now you're torturing dogs?! When will this abhorrent behavior stop! I am calling PETA! NOW!

    Using the flag of our forefathers no less-- for shame. You people are disgusting.

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  32. "I don't know if you've noticed, but our two party system is a bowl of shit, looking in the mirror at itself."

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  33. I am aspie no nuthin of me. I can't think for self. I borderretardation. Make zawkie tel all. FOrcE the baystid .

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  34. I love you sparlkleplug

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  35. my learning curve is shaped like an exponential function instead of a gradual increase, i.e. extremely flat at the beginning then sloping steeply up?


    I have this. It is the "dense" factor of erin, too?

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  36. nterestingly enough, narcissim and histrionic disorder are going to be stricken from the upcoming DSM-V. I tend to agree with that assessment of a rework as the true problem in functioning centers on a lack of empathy and/or emotional stability, leaving BPD and Sociopathy in the cluster

    they are doing away with NPD or "narcissism" ?

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  38. wow. I had a friend just recently diagnosed with NPD. He told his family he was going to commit suicide, his family coerced him into an institution, the doc said he can't be helped cause hes in denial -everything is everyone else's fault. He disowned his family over this all. He walks around talking about how great the book "The Secret" is and how it is changing his life. Sad. I mean he is the same guy he has always been--
    He does society no harm, though. Is this one of the reasons they are doing away with the diagnosis?

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  39. btw, he threatens suicide for attention. He won't harm himself. That's why he was released so quick.

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  40. I can imagine it now........

    'You're a pathologically selfish asshole who needs attention.'

    'I am not! I'll kill myself before I believe that!'

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  41. The N is a huge mask with very little real sense of self, under it.

    Understanding that helps to explain the weirdness of it.

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  42. Sparklebug, what do you think of this ??

    He won't do therapy. He alienates everyone. I mean, and he's unhappy. He used to tell people that I cursed him because I broke up with him many many years ago and the he couldn't get a date..we dated briefly. (He's a nutty ventriloquist. I pull freaks, whatev it was way long ago)

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  43. 1128

    yeah, that's basically how he is. How can they dismiss this?

    This the female histrionic?

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  44. if you are the child of a Malignant Narc, you have to cast them off or they will kill you :(

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  45. A linear fucntion "A linear equation is an algebraic equation in which each term is either a constant or the product of a constant and (the first power of) a single variable."

    Exponential function "In mathematics, the exponential function is the function ex, where e is the number (approximately 2.718281828) such that the function ex is its own derivative. The exponential function is used to model a relationship in which a constant change in the independent variable gives the same proportional change (i.e. percentage increase or decrease) in the dependent variable."

    Because you asked nicely. :)

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  46. MANIAAAAAA WHERE ARE YOUUUUU!!!!!!

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  47. Psychopath sees 1+1 and knows that it equals 3. A sociopath knows that 1+1=2 and just dosnt give a shit.

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  48. My father (an NPD) didn't have any trouble getting dates / girlfriends. Then again, he wasn't a toothless ventriloquist
    Ike your friend was.

    The pattern I saw with him was that he'd change them, somehow. He went after richer, more powerful women, like lawyers, doctors, et cetera. My own mother ran a resort when he met her. Not as as classically prestigious, but still rich and had power to wield. Somehow, he'd convince them they needed him and were worthless without him, so when he'd leave them, they would literally flip the fuck out. One of his girlfriends showed up to our house with an axe. Another became suicidal and ended up losing her job. My mother left her job and lived with her parents for the next few years binging on drugs and is still fucked up to this day, even though she is happily remarried.

    I don't understand why, or how they do it. The only girlfriend I've ever tried to psychologically assault was my beeper since she drove me so nuts, and as any beeper will tell you, that won't do shit. They might throw hysterics but it doesn't damage what is already broken.

    I wonder if Narcs do this because they are typically less sadistic. It might be some form of redirected rage or subconscious sadism that they use on their family instead of their rivals.

    Medusa, Haven, notme, you three claim you have NPD ex boyfriends. What say you?

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  49. Anon 11:49
    Tell us about the other Pd's and 1 +1 ;-)

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  50. @Diana
    Your post makes no sence.... do you even know what mania means?

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  51. Why does the narc label get tosses around so often? True Obama narcissists are extremely rare.

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  52. @Anon 11:51
    Mania (full name ManiaAzer) Is an amazing poster here. They dont really seem to like me much couse I annoyed them with questions when I first got here but I know that they will forgive me with time. Except they havnt been around much latley....OMG I hope that they didn't get sent to prison, then they really wouldn't be around :'( ... no... I have faith in manias self control and intelligence, they would never get caught.

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  53. @Diana
    Your kinda creepy...0.0

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  54. @Diana nowonder mania isnt around much... you probly scared them off.

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  55. And anyone else I may have forgotten with a NPD ex.

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  57. Great article today, M.E.

    For me, Fear, Disgust, and Confusion are sort of like these three facial expressions that I get mixed up with, not so much undetected. Even if I have direct context, sometimes I get them wrong. It's sort of like a shell game. The three look similar, but only one is the right answer.

    I wouldn't say I get it wrong most of the time, just that I can get it wrong. Sort of the way when you get older, you can reference previous scenarios, but the next person might break away from the trend.

    I'm very surprised (and not in a good way) that Joe Newman wasn't part of this book or research (unless I missed his name somewhere). He's been the leading expert on psychopathic attention deficit issues.

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  58. OMG WHAT IF I DID SCARE THEM OFF...0.0

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  59. @Diana I know that I would be scared of you 0.0

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  60. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  61. Two men, A and B.
    Man A is a prime grade A douche bag.

    Man B "appears" to be a nicer, gentleman.

    Man A and man B are the best of friends and also related in one of those very distant cousins type of scenario.

    Man A broke up with me because he's an ass. BUT man B is now interested in me. I know man B at the very least wants to screw me. But since I have a heart I don't want to fall in love with B and have B treat me just as bad as A. What do you guys think? My friends and myself think it would be in bad taste to get involved with two men with that close of a bond even if man A was cruel to me and doesn't. deserve any form of misplaced loyalty. What should I do?

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  63. Who CARES MANIA LEFT BEACUSE OF ME :'(

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  64. @dilemma

    Find a new man outside of this circle of friends/family. Don't be lazy and cause grief because of it.

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  66. Don't flatter yourself Dianna. Hello Erin.

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  67. OMG... I missed you Mania... I really really did.

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  68. Your not in prison are you?

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  69. @Mania
    Im sry you dont have to answer that im sry I forgot for a sec that you don't like questions, im sry, pls dont tell me to leave...please

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  70. @Diana

    Saying that you missed me is very sweet of you, but do everyone a favor and stop talking.

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  71. how mania seems to only show up after diana comes alookn for her?

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  72. Why are you thinking about PD's so much lately, Erin?

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  74. ok mania... and thats not true anon mania seems to show up after erin looks for them. This is the first time mania has talked to me in over a month.

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  76. @Erin

    I am no longer living with them so, that issue is pretty much over.

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  77. diana your act is way over the top
    youre made up by some other person on here
    no way can you be that desperate over someone who hardly comes here

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  79. They came here before...now stop talking to me because I wont answer again... mania asked me to stop talking.

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  80. @Erin

    Things have been better, things have been worse. I have been very busy lately, I have a lot on my plate so things are a bit hectic. How are things going in general for you Erin?

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  82. @Erin

    That is good, you have come a long way.

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  83. lol she got her ass beat

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  84. I hear you anon but A means nothing to me and he probably says worse things about me. I'm more concerned as to what Man B's true motives are. Man B has always liked me and there could be potential for something serious. Man A probably regrets breaking things off but his pride, ego, conceit, self absorption, and wickedness won't let him admit it or rey got reconcilliation. I could miss out on something good with B or worse get played.

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  85. lol and she begged for everyone to forgive her

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  86. @Dilema

    If ManB is really as close to ManA as you say. What makes you think that ManB would go out with you and risk his friendship with ManA?

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  88. @ Mania,which is why i question B's true motives.

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  89. You haven't changed at all, Erin. You're still here, and you're still exactly the same. Just as immature, just as delusional, just as bitter. You'll be trapped in the same hopeless cycle for the rest of your life, sad really.

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  91. youre almost a ghost now to the regulars

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  92. you practically have to beg them to talk to you

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  94. everyone you said you hated you try to be friends with now and kiss their butts all day and say how lonely you are when they dont talk to you

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  95. you didnt have a choice but to stop mouthing off to ppl when they found your site and youre afraid

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  96. Erin said...
    I have so much hate in me. I don't know what to do with it.
    It is killing me. I could,blindly, take a hammer and smash people's faces.
    What do I do with this anger?

    September 17, 2011 6:39 AM

    that was just yesterday

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  98. Erin said...
    @Mania
    Actually, they are going really well.
    I am finally finding what I am looking for which is self acceptance and peace of mind.

    September 18, 2011 1:44 PM

    and this is today

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  100. i think you just throw poo up on the screen to see what gets you attention

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  101. no one cares if you up ip numbers up youre a stupid child in your head

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  102. "out that that is OK"

    okay for you, mabye, which is good. but i think you have to except that you're just not very likeable, erin. people don't like the real you.

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  103. Erin's not going anywhere guys. She told me she got some asteroid in her chart named Erin, on the day her site was exposed... or something to that extent.

    Now she believes it's her destiny to be here.

    Might as well get used to it.

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  105. Yeah... I didn't understand a word of what you were saying to me.
    Other than asteroid named Erin, and sign that you belong at SW.

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  107. So you think it's like some special calling for you, and you alone?

    Does it tell you what that special purpose is, here?

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  109. It's like watching a goldfish in it's bowl. She doesn't even know that shes not in the sea. Erin leads a boxed in existence. Her life is small and unimportant. Wake up, Go on SW, do some charts, Go back on SW, go to sleep aaaand repeat. The fact that she thinks being on some blog is her destiny shows grey her life is. Wouldn't it be funny if her computer crashed. She'd probably be clawing at the walls until nails tear off.

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  110. Maybe you're here to heal other people, and not just yourself.

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  112. "Wouldn't it be funny if her computer crashed. She'd probably be clawing at the walls until nails tear off."

    lol
    That actually gave me a visual!

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  115. @Erin

    Are you one of those agoraphobic people? Ever seen 'What About Bob'?

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  116. Erin the longer your here the longer I know that life is passing you by. The longer I know that you're sad and lonely. That puts a smile on my face.

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  119. So you Are phobic to leave you're house right? I mean, you kind of make it sound like it's from hopelessness, but then you say it's anxiety.

    That sounds like fear more than it does just giving up, or getting comfortable.

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  120. Do you leave to go get groceries, or anything?

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  122. "How is your life so much more redeemable than mine?"

    Because I don't waste my life on the computer. I don't sit in doors all day. I don't dress up my dog and put pictures on the web, hoping that people will tell me cute he looks and have a right old laugh about how sweet I am. I don't create websites that sink like the titanic and then try to salvage them by writing my own testimonials. I don't complain about unimportant problems as if people are supposed to give a shit. I don't believe I have psychic powers from god. I don't believe in astrology. I don't believe in destiny.

    And the list goes on.

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  125. @Erin

    Save it. I'm headed out for the night.

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  128. this blog used to be so diverse. now all the discussion is about Erin. all she has to do is ask a stupid question that been answered a hundred times or tell a stupid story that's been told a hundred times and before you know it there will be 200 plus comments about you've guessed it, ERIN. can't believe you people are still falling for this.

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  129. Hi Anon 3:59,
    What brings you to this site?

    Do you have a PD or someone in your life who does?

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  130. Tik, all i ever see you do is engage in Erin's narcissism, so how about you tell me about yourself, what brings you to this site? Do you have a PD or someone in your life who does?

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  131. Yes I do do have several.

    I had worked with a NPD for the last 8 years. Have a close freind who's a beeper and a family member who is bi-polar. And a personal relationship with a socio.

    So my main reason for being here is above.

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  133. they toy with her anon. when there is nothing better to do around here. when something interesting starts to happen she no longer exists.
    frankly I find her cookyness rather amusing.

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  134. lol erin is so retarded im surprise she remembers to breathe

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  136. Erin, basically I meant that you are a pathetic fat slug who sits on the computer on day and takes abuse by the members of SW. You dress up your dog because you have no friends in real life. Your husband took a piss on you and left you, and your dog. Nobody cares about you Erin. Your mother didn't care about you, your husband didn't care about you, your son doesn't respect you(real or not), the doctors think you are an obese pig, and I'm sure your dog is going to die, and leave your fat ass to heaven with a smile on his face.How can you live with yourself Erin. You take up space on this planet and waste everyone's viable oxygen. You take up space on this blog, and you are one of the stupidest people on here. You need to kill yourself, or die of a heart attack.

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  137. Watching the eternal battle between sociopaths and narcissists is far more interesting than listening to you speak, Erin.

    Have you ever considered starting your own blog? There's a time and a place for your 'real stuff'. Since nobody here is interested, I don't think this is it. All you're doing is taking up way to much space and interrupting the flow of conversation, very rude.

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  138. you talk in circles erin.
    making no real point ever.
    you never write with any real detail. you repeat yourself forever.
    and anything that comes after "I've been thinking" with you is probably a lie. ive never seen anything like it in all my living days,
    makes me think of how even more insane you are in person.

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  140. Yea Fake Mis that really was lame.

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  142. I don't know how your mother could bare to fondle in between your fungi-infested legs. If I were your mother, or even your sister, I would drown you in the tub, failing that, I would strangle you, stuff you in the garbage bag, and than watch the garbage men drive off with your corpse. I wouldn't ever put food on the table for your fatass. I hope your son grows up and burdens you, fucking bitch.

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  143. what is with da smiley faces erin? duz u have the downs syndrome???

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  145. why do you beg people to pay attention to you on here if you dont care what they think

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  146. its severe autism. Curable with a lobotomy in most cases, in Erin's case, only homicide can cure.

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  147. ya erin who is it you care for here

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  148. Erin, I think we have the kids here whose parents are too fighting the neighbor's over the shit they did today to their pets.

    Anon's didn't your mother tell you to take your meds today and NO SUGAR.

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  149. The sad reality is the people she cares for, could care less about her.

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  150. Yeah Erin, take your meds retard. Get off this blog u fuckin useless pig.

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  151. If I were a vet, I'd put Erin's dog to sleep, and than make Erin relieve the abuse she suffered as a child.

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  153. Why are you still trying to be me Jason? Well I know why really. It's funny how your completely obsessed with me but also claim to be indifferent to me. You created about three different accounts just to fight me with and one to imitate me. Do you even realise how sad that is? Its funny how your aim in life is to prove that you can beat me but you also claim to have nothing to prove to me. I don't think I've ever seen anything as pathetic as you. You're right up there with Zwang. And "fat slug"? Its good to know that even the names I call you cut so deep that they remain with you forever.

    My profile has about 930 views and was created in Jan 2011. Jason is so desperate to convince you all that he's me, he's actually enabled access to his fake account. Just check those details if you can't tell the difference. Anything said after this point isn't me so dont bother responding unless its to humiliate Jason.

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  154. Actually Erin was not getting very much attention lately. Then you clowns came on, and changed that today. Now you're giving her what she wants.

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  155. I am not concerned with you, you little twat. You are a toy, and I am playing with you. Just like everyone else in your life played with you. I don't know how you can even consider yourself human. You are an object that people pick up, and than throw out in the nearest trashcan without looking back. You are a pamphlet that the santitation workers take a piss on during their break. You are anything but something to be concerned with. You aren't even my bitch, just the gum I spit out.

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  157. erin, that's not the real mis. put up jason's ip.

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  160. Erin you're an idiot. I just told you to check the profiles. Mine has 930 views and was created in Jan 2011. If there's a Misanthrope talking to you after this point then its Jason.

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  162. my ip is:74.72.139.60.

    Mis changed his profile picture backed to his old one just to fuck with you guys haha. I am just playing along. It's fun bashing people whichever account you use. I know Misanthrope is going to check back about five more times just to see if I posted. He is just as pathetic as me, and I make myself look more pathetic on purpose just to see how low he stoops.

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  164. uh, how could you possibly make yourself look anymore pathetic, jason? srsly, i'm asking

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  166. Yes, I live there Erin. Cum for a visit sometime

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  168. 'Your excuse for being such an idiot can be attributed to your age'

    no, no it can't, most eighteen year olds don't behave like this. why are you stalking mis, jason? what's your goal?

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  169. Misanthrope located in New Zealand.

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  170. Misanthrope is a kiwi, not a killer? I'm so disappointed :{

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  171. Mis lives in England... he already said

    Jason - NYC

    Eden - Texas

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  174. Erin, tell us more aboit the malignant narc. I want to hear it from the expert. My mother is codependant but I think my father is like your mother if you follow me. He is pure evil.

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  176. @jason

    just use your own account to 'bash' people in the future. this just creates to much annoyance and confusion, and since everyone know's it's you, what's the point?

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  180. What do you mean by hurting you? Did she harm you physically, mentally or both? My father burned me as a punishment. I still have several scars from it.

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  184. What another way we can talk without these goofballs listening?I would love to hear your insight as far as my father goes. I think we have similiar situations. I don't want to say too much here though, as you said, I don't feel like being ridiculed by these sick children.

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  187. So what happened to you agnes? Erin doesn't give a shit about you, love, she is too caught up in herself. Tell me what happened to you.

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  190. Erin is a troll don't tell her anything agnes. She's not to be trusted. She spends her ti.e collecting information on here about people and trying to expose them. Just look at her threats about ip addresses.

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  191. Your right I almost trusted her. I hate how trusting I am. It leaves me open to people like her or my father. The last thibg I need is more degradations. I guess that's what I get walkig into sociopathworld :-\

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  194. Yeah, she has routinely thrown women in here under the bus. Her, tik, and sparklebug. They act like they are here to help and instead they post all of your secrets for these scumbags to laugh at. You can contact me agnes. I will help you get through this.

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