Friday, September 23, 2011

Socios on TV: Breaking Bad's Gus

From a reader:
Have you followed the TV show Breaking Bad at all? It has a fantastic premise: a middle aged chemist is diagnosed with cancer, and this in combination with a mid-life crisis of sorts leads him to begin cooking meth. The various travails of his life in the aftermath of this choice make for great viewing, and the show is great television. It's from AMC, whom you may admire already if you've ever seen the show Mad Men.

At any rate, there is a character named Gus who runs a massive meth production and distribution network, something he does with sterile precision and professionalism. In seasons 1 to 3, he remains courteous and polite at almost all times, although certain scenes allude to his likely sociopathy. In the first episode of the currently airing season 4, his true nature is shown for the first time, in an exhilarating portrayal of his ability to kill without the slightest hint of emotion, although it is a combination of calculation and burning anger that leads him to do it. The actor is exceptional- his face remains blank, but you can feel the smooth decision-making process happening behind it.

The link is here.

I strongly suggest you set aside 45 minutes to watch this, and I would love to know your impressions. In the event that you are too busy to spend 45 minutes on this, the scene in question is from appx. 27 minutes in until 38 minutes in.
M.E.: I have been a big fan of the show, initially for the fun premise and the overall bleakness. I too thought that Gus was a sociopath. When wearing a mask, he is almost obsequiously polite--classic sociopath. I particularly liked the third season for him, when he was clearly "seducing" Walter [protagonist] into going into business with him. It's so understated and tasteful the way he crawls into Walter's head and feeds him whatever he needs to hear. There is actually palpable chemistry between the two. But you are right, the portrait of Gus as sociopath was really completed in the first episode of this current season. Interestingly, the more I watch the show the more it seems like Walter leans narcissist, or at least is highly narcissistic. At first I just wrote off a lot of Walter's eccentric behavior to cancer and the premise, but the writers have actually done a great job making him seem like he was a ticking time bomb and if it wasn't the cancer scare, it would have been anything else that might have finally set him off into a narcissistic tailspin.

665 comments:

  1. I'm not actually sold on Gus being a sociopath, but he certainly fits most of the marks from surface appearance.

    I honestly think he's just a product of his occupation. This latest season has shown his actual vulnerabilities and emotional states. I also felt that the kick off for this season wasn't about him being some cold blooded killer at all. If anything, that was a breakdown from pure rage. What's his name was murdered and the two who were supposed to die, he's now stuck with. There wasn't anything calculated about that act. It benefited no one. It was pure rage.

    He sure is a devious manipulative son of a bitch though, but come on, have some common sense. Sociopaths aren't the only people capable of seduction and manipulation. Are you fucking blind? Or just too full of yourself?

    Walter-wise, he does seem that way, M.E. Especially the last episode. It reminded me so much of my father, I was taken aback. I didn't peg him for a sociopath in the first season like many people did but I think he's now in a position where his narcissism is being verified, and he will do anything to keep it that way.

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  2. I was actually an extra in the episode "Cornered" this season. Really cool experience. I didn't think Gus was a sociopath when we were first introduced to him but I'm leaning toward believing it now. His blank expressions, smooth talking, and of course the throat slashing scene at the beginning of the season. That actor does a really good job with the character. Walt on the other hand has narcissist written all over him.

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  3. That's my point, Seamus. Gus is numb to it all. I haven't seen a single sadistic thing he's done yet (that was memorable). It's all been business business business and ice cold, save him flipping out from frustration and rage.

    The same goes for Mike. That old codger looks bored when he's killing people, like it's some boring chore. They're going way overboard on the cold professionals persona if you ask me. Sociopaths aren't robots.

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  4. Now the Mexican Drug dealer from late in the first (or second?) season, in my book he was definitely a sociopath. Violent, capricious, impulsive, and very sadistic. You could tell he was an animal that fought to be at the top of the food chain and enjoyed the hell out of it too. He wasn't some easily spooked pointdexter that relied on hired hands to do his killings for him. He used any excuse he could to do that sort of thing himself.

    Comparing him to Gus is Night and Day, and you can't say it's all a matter of High vs. Low functioning. That's a load of crap.

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  5. I wish I had time in between work and school and crazy personality disordered friends and moving out of my house to watch TV shows like this one. It should be especially easy for me, considering that I get 10 free video rentals a week as a perk of my job. Alas, it is not physically possible for me.

    Incidentally somehow I have found the time to frequent this site. Go figure.

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  6. tnp his name was Tuco Salamanca. you might be right he is the only character labeled sociopath on the wiki.

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  7. TNP,

    I see your point about it being all business to Gus but I disagree to an extent. I know you asked me not to pull the High vs. Low functioning card but I'm not sure how else to put it. Certainly a person doesn't have to be sadistic per se in order to qualify as a sociopath.

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  8. It may be just business to Gus but
    the fact that he is so numb to it
    raises some red flags where I'm
    concerned. Even if he has to kill
    kids to get the job done Gus is going to sleep like a baby. Tuco on the other hand was an idiot. He was a sociopath but he was incredibly hostile. To me, therein lies the difference.

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  10. In other, TV-show related news: Luther's getting a third season! ^-^

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  11. I wasn't able to concentrate on the music, the images were still going through my head. So although most of the time I lack emotions or they are very shallow, I guess I found out that day that I'm not totally without emotions and I have my limits when it comes to seeing violent acts.

    Don't you find that the more you're exposed to them, though, the higher your threshold?

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  13. I saw the same beheading movie David, I used to have it on my cell phone. It didn't have an effect on me, I was just using to video to shock and scare people.

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  14. I've watched around 200 be headings, their nothing, if anything it makes me want to participate.

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  15. I'm not for kids seeing hot kinky sex at a young age. Sex and violence, if you ask me, are pretty related.

    There are more sex-addicted people out there since video porn hit the web. I think porn fucks up the intimacy in sex just like that kind of exposure desensitizes to violence. Bloodlust can be fostered similarly. We want to see more and more crazy shit. When is too much exposure to anything hedonistic? I have a friend (who lacks empathy) who told me he thinks if we went crazy and the world were really a playground, he'd only get hungry for more. I have another bdsm friend who gets himself more and more beat up every time this guy and he get together.

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  16. I have never seen a woman having her head hacked off, the women are usually executed by stoning.

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  17. 659
    DO you think it's natural for you , or learned?

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  18. There was a stoning of a teenager in a law and order episode.

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  20. If you are seeking out that kind of material for entertainment, there was probably very little empathy to begin with. Lots of my colleagues tell me that they would never watch another human being die and they are the same age as I am, some people are just more callous than others, I never got desensitized I never had empathy from the beginning, I never even cared about my parents, I just use them for their home and their finances.

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  21. You think having watched 200 internet-beheadings might be an exaggeration? No way!

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  22. "DO you think it's natural for you , or learned?"

    Natural, I can't remember ever caring about another human being.

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  24. I saw a man beheaded on the Micheal Savage Website--Nick Berg.
    There were two others I did not watch.
    They sawed his head off as they chanted in a monotone. Nick Berg was gurgling.Then,they held his decapitated head up.
    I KNEW,then, what we were dealing with, with Terrorists.
    Everyone should watch these tapes.

    I could not sleep all night but we need to know our enemy,our worldwide enemy,every person.

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  25. No one has ever spoken about having highly emotional dreams on this site that I can remember.

    Do any of you have them?

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  28. There are much more than 200 be headings, if you look hard enough you will get them.

    Here's a decent one.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=01d_1187129093

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  31. This is one of the best.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e58_1187043164

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  33. Now I'm getting curious! I'll try to find some beheadings when I get the chance.

    By the way, David. In the linked video todays post refers to there's a pretty visceral killing-scene. Go watch it. ^-^

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  34. Do you really find it hard to watch an be heading? You'd make a crappy soldier :P

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  35. Wheatley, did you watch the liveleak video? What did you think?

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  36. You'd think the stupid fucks would run, your going to die anyways.

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  38. I don't know how those videos could stay in your memory, I forget them after like 15 minutes hah.

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  40. Actually no, I live in a very good neighborhood. If you were part of a Mexican gang, you would have no other choice other than to participate in beheading rival gangsters and even civilians, the civilians would be killed to inspire fear, if you didn't participate you could possibly be killed.

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  41. Could you be more specific, Anon? What did I think about what? And don't just say "the video" please.

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  42. If you want to know more about Mexican gangs, you should ask señor Luke.~

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  43. I was referring to this video.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e58_1187043164

    What do you feel when you watch it?

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  44. Mexican gangs are exceptionally vicious.

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  46. Wheatley
    If you see the Nick Berg beheading video, you won't be laughing

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  47. Really David? Am I hearing this? You wouldn't behead someone?

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  48. he remains courteous and polite at almost all times, although certain scenes allude to his likely sociopathy. In the first episode of the currently airing season 4, his true nature is shown for the first time, in an exhilarating portrayal of his ability to kill without the slightest hint of emotion, although it is a combination of calculation and burning anger that leads him to do it.

    Yes, incredible isn't it? Psychopaths are supposed to be badass socios who can't be polite or behave decently.
    The myth about how psychopaths are supposed to behave has a strong hold on the common mind... Not only on the neurotypical mainstream common mind, but on the AsPDers and the sociopaths common minds who think it's a title that gives more honor the more it's wearer exhibits the most extremely antisocial and openly brutal, mean traits at all times.

    But reality is somewhat different. Few psychopaths behave like assholes all the time. Why not? Because it doesn't pay! It's as simple as that. Those who do behave like brutes and spend every waking moment trying to put the weak down in public, do so either only on the Internet instead of making themselves a fortune or gaining power, in which case they waste their time and energy, or they do it off the internet and end up spending their lives in prison.

    Whatever the case, they're are life time losers.

    Once in a rare while a psychopathic individual comes along and shows that it's possible to be a psychopath without necessarily behaving like a spoiled teenager on an Internet rampage every day - or at all. But...

    When you show a loser his primitive stereotypes are needless, you shatter his delusion. And that is an insult to the weak of character.

    Worse still, there are actually psychopaths who more or less fit the stereotype, both on and off the Internet. They typically frequent forums where weaker people gather, and they can develop a deluded sense of ownership. So if a psychopathic individual of the above type happens to visit, it can trigger an almost frantic, fanatic need in a primitive psychopath to prove themselves superior.

    When they don't succeed, that's when things can become interesting.

    '^L^,

    .....

    Oh, by the way,..!

    I've left a post for our new AsPD benefactor, Derrick.

    I thought it was time that I return some of the juicy attention I've been subject of lately. He certainly very rightly deserves it.

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  49. Oh, excuse me. I didn't see you had already posted it. I'll watch it as soon as I'm able too. Right now I'm on a non-flash supporting mobile device, and if I were to go downstairs I'd have to watch it in a crowded living room. :)

    I'll let you know when I have seen it.

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  50. "Most of the time people around here talk about sociopaths having "no emotions". In the diagnostic criteria that is almost never said, they speak about shallow emotions."

    Wrong.

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  51. Your little virgin eyes will never be the same again.

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  53. anarchy is ruling

    I hope you see what's wrong with this statement.

    And my "virgin eyes will never be the same"? Why is that? What's the difference between a beheading and an anatomy class? Except for the noise, obviously.

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  54. I was once forced to behead people. It was for the cartel. I think I was around 16. I had to do what I had to do. Being a hit man and all.

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  55. Wheatley
    Look at the Nick Berg video and come back talking this trash.

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  56. hey zwqawq! go fuck yourself!

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  57. Wheatley is only used to seeing people being beheaded in anime.

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  58. You know what I find funny luke. You say you are ignoring me, but you dedicated 5 lengthy comments to me in the forum. The only difference is that you won't direct it to me, but in third person as if that makes a difference. It shows that you did the opposite of ignoring me. Your like a maimed child in the middle of a pack of wolves trying to close his eyes and plug his ears so he won't see what's about to happen to him. When you open your eyes, luke, I'm still here.
    Erin won't give you consolation luke. She is just another victim. It's pathetic that you came in here guns blazing but you can't take even a dish from me. Even zWaq lasted longer than you. He was just like you luke. Long winded posts riddled with exagerated tales. He corrected peoples english too. He didn't claim to be a cartel member though, luke. No, that ridiculous claim is all you.

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  60. you sure your a sociopath david? a beheading would be a piece of cake for a socio.

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  61. That forum is exactly what I predicted it to be: Protective custody for people who can't hack it here.

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  62. As long as you understand that anarchy and chaos are not synonyms, David. :)

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  63. "Well you're right about that. The so called sociopaths that are yelling and screaming all the time, showing off how strong they are ... are suspicious at least."

    It's called boasting and psychopaths are known braggarts.

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  64. What is it to hack? Ukan throwing temper tantrums like a toddler?

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  65. The forum is full of bitches..lol

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  68. With a callous lack of empathy, you can do anything you want to others, dave.

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  69. David only enjoys giving head.

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  70. I think you give the kid too much unwarranted attention. People who make fun of people's disabilities, or things of that nature are very weak people themselves. He's just a kid with a keyboard, lol, there are a million kids with big mouths that like to hear themselves talk. Get him in real life. He's nothing, I guarantee it. You see it all the time, but at least the punks on facebook have what it takes to put their name to it, people on twitter have what it takes to put a picture up, put where they're from. This kid is weaker and more pathetic than all of those people, which is why he tries to put up such a big front. Like a peacock that flares it's tail to look bigger and scare off potential predators, but once you get past the display he's just a defenseless bird, this kid is the same way.

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  72. ^Luke You remind me of this passive aggressive ex girlfriend of mine. since you want to post your cowardice in the forum I will drag it out here so you can be publicly humiliated. That's what I like to do to people like you. Get them all rosy

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  73. Sociopaths have primitive emotions like fear and anger, not empathy.

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  74. "That would make that sociopaths would be extremely rare."

    Am i really that rare? awhh thank you.

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  75. Step to me luke. Show me how you will make me "eat my tongue". Ha ha, you fucking pathetic worm. Lonesome path over there. Stop watching the tele so much thinking you are some kind of cold callous monster like Dexter. Dexter isn't real you fucking knob. There is no inner monster.
    The minute you saw what I would do to you, you ran to the forums with those wingnuts Erin and Kao. Hate to say it Luke but if I 'wanted attention' I would have already had it without saying a word as you could see since people were already predicting what I would do to you when I came on. They can predict it because they can all see your weakness too Luke. It's a fucking pirahna bowl in here. You saw it after the first thing I said to you didn't you luke? You know I can see right through you and Im not impressed with your tall tales.
    Luke, I am your father. You grabbed anons and cheer leaded yourself on here and wrote several comments of excuses on why you were running from me and you call me pathetic? That's a real good one, luke. You said you would make me 'eat my words' well lets have it. All of that indirect shite on a failure forum is pathetic in my eyes luke. You are like one of those stuck up cunts that are passive aggressive because you are afraid of direct confrontation. You put your story up and it was fucking hilarious. Do you really think you are a member of the mafia? ha ha ha ha ha! Or the cartel? ha ha ha ha ha. You've done horrible things? ha ha ha ha. You must have a copy of the Narcissist Handbook for Exagerated Pasts. You haven't done shite Luke admit it. What ethnic gang has someone named Luke in it, are you British or American? How many gang members in those countries are named Luke? ha ha ha. Luko Gonzales. Luca Brazi sleeps with the fishes.

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  76. Why do you have to go and moan and bitch to all your girlfriends on the forum Luke? If you're not here to debate and argue with us, why cant you keep a lid on all that hostility?

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  77. Please see exhibit A, the comment section on part 3 there. Do you see how desperate he is for acceptance? I have yet to acknowledge him but he can't help himself, he's begging for attention like some sort of abandoned puppy dog. He goes to a site he can find people who have been torn apart by someone else-people who somebody else has done all the heavy lifting on-and tries to prove to himself he's important by verbally attacking them behind a wall of anonymity online. It's pathetic. He purports himself to be some sort of sociopath, but he's just a powerless person desperate for some form of acceptance, and angry that he can't find it in real life. Just keep watching. It might make ya smile

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  79. You must have a copy of the Narcissist Handbook for Exagerated Pasts.


    ROFLMAO

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  80. lol, this is the first time I've been on this thread. Nice to see someone is still dedicating all his energy to simulate a conversation with me. I did not know someone was that desperate for my attention.

    @Mis-what hostility? Why would I be here to debate and argue with you? Yesterday that was somewhat entertaining. Today your act has grown a bit old. I am having fun watching Ukan flop around and beg for attention though. Kinda like watching a fish gasp for breath flopping around on the dock.

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  81. I thinks someone may be copying and pasting Luke's comments from the forum.

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  82. @David-where would you get the idea there was any ethnic gang involved?

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  83. LMFAO
    Luke
    I am smiling, now. Forget about later.

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  84. @Nikita-yes, someone is copying and pasting, desperately trying to simulate a conversation with me to validate himself for you guys. It's pretty pathetic actually.

    There's no need to exaggerate any past Nikita, the fact that that's the first thing that comes to people's mind to me says a lot more about them than it does my post. In fact if anything I did what I could to downplay things. What I said was only to qualify something else that was said. The reference to cartel/mob type stuff was simply a pointer to a direction. "Think drugs, think violence" as opposed to whatever else one might think when they hear "I've done bad things", to simply give direction to the imagination, not to give a specific example-although any reasonably intelligent person should be able to see that themselves.

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  85. There you go luke I posted another one for you. I know the fear you have inside you prevented you from addressing me directly or being in the same room as my presence. I want your indirect critisism of me here for all to see, do you know why? I'm not afraid of scrutiny because I'm not lying about myself to make myself look tough.
    Please see your own exhibit. You claimed you were the bad ass that "eviscerates" people. Now you are running with the puppies in that victim forum M.E. needs to tear down. Your cell mates are a person who thinks she is a psychic, a rape victim who stayed in a relationship that made her suffer being raped over and over, and a wingnut who thinks he has a sociopath factory that pumps out violent killers. Ha ha ha. You say I'm desperate for some form of acceptance? Yet you are the one who came in here claiming to be a ex member of the cartel and running to the victims forum so that some sucker would prop you up while you make indirect attacks at me. You fucking coward. Crawl to me. Crawl to me and beg me. Maybe I will give you the self esteem you need to validate yourself so you won't have to make up stories about why you are a man.

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  86. No luke I'm copying and pasting your comments because I am giving you no place to hide. You think that ignoring me is posting about me in third person in the victim forum, your wrong. All you are doing is proving how pathetic you are. zWaq tried doing the same thing. The only difference is you can't lock me out of this site or delete my comments. Everyone will see you humiliated.

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  87. "Nice to see someone is still dedicating all his energy to simulate a conversation with me."

    You can't really say that and be taken seriously seeing as you spent a fat chunk of time complaining about other people on the forum without even being provoked on their. You can try to hide your bitterness with all your little "lols". The fact that you write walls of text in defence of yourself tells us all what you're really feeling.

    I think your amazing powers of perception must be off today Luke. You're just making shit up now and trying to make it stick. Thats partly why people laugh at you. You're a know nothing know it all. You have nothing to say about us that isnt pure projection. Try saying something that might actually do some damage.

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  88. Roll Over, Ukan
    Your mother is calling.

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  89. is "amazing sex" good enough to keep a sociopath? as in keep his interests, and even possibly a relationship down the line?

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  90. is "amazing sex" good enough to keep a sociopath? as in keep his interests, and even possibly a relationship down the line?

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  91. @Anon-just keep watching, it should be funny all day. Such desperation. Nothing like clipping a bird's wings-even if that bird is just a turkey, lol.

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  92. @mis-it's cute that you defend your puppy, but no, nothing is made up and with every successive post begging for attention your puppy continues to prove it.

    @Anon-for a while, sure.

    sit Ukan, sit.

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  93. Big dog Luke takes on teeny dog Ukan
    LMFAO and smile, too

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  94. Luke you said you are a new reader but in the post below you tell Ukan to "go back to kicking his cat" or something like that. problem is Ukan talked about kicking his cat weeks and weeks ago. so not only are you not a new reader, it also means, yesterdays post was not the first time you've commented as you have implied or tried to imply which also means you are a regular which also means you are jason, or nero, or some other long winded regular blogger that has a bone to pick with Mis and Ukan. just my observation.

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  95. Don't grab anons in here Luke and think that will help you. Nobody REAL is going to put their hand down to you and help you out of hell I'm going to put you through. You wrote a book on me over at the forums, and you call that ignoring me? Who are you fooling you coward. That's like someone running from a fight and calling the other person a coward for chasing them.

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  96. Luke, reasonable and intelligent are not common quailities on here.

    Anyone with any intelligence would have known that first post under your name was an impostor.

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  97. @Anon-lmao he actually does run around kicking his cat? Actually I had no idea, that's just an expression used to describe people incapable of truly dominating anything else so instead they must make victims of defenseless animals like their own cats for example.

    @Truth-good name, u speak it.

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  98. Well,since Luke came, the forum has many more members.
    It will only grow more because there is a sociopath here that people can RESPECT, not stay away from because he is an asshole and an immature baby.
    That is a big,big difference.

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  99. Luke you talk of puppies and dogs while coincidently the anons say roll over and make dog refrences. How pathetic, you don't even change your wordplay when you cheerlead yourself. It's been done here luke. Many times. By people as pathetic as you. (Jason, zWaq).
    Did you see the hand you tried to lick when you came in even slapped you in the face yesterday, Luke? TNP wasn't going to accept you either you cunt. Nobody will because you are obviously a wanna be. You remind me of Jason. He came in trying to lick misanthrope and I's hands and we spat in his face because he was a bitch.

    The Lonsesome Path. Walking the road alone with his inner demons. Who are you fucking kidding. Stop watching so many movies, kid.

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  100. I skip along, correcting people's grammar and spelling, yet I'm not above saying 'u' instead of 'you'. That's how badass I am.

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  101. there is a sociopath here that people can RESPECT

    Shutup Erin. That forum is for losers like you who can't get over their mothers molesting them.If you were so psychic how come you couldn't stop your own husband from molesting your son?

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  102. The truly sad thing for you is, I don't post as anonymous. Maybe people just take a lead from someone with some intelligence, articulation. Maybe they just enjoy reveling in the pain you're expressing here? I don't know, but don't get used to the direct responses, as I told you yesterday child, you're not important enough to warrant a reply. Any posts that relate to you on the forum are made as part of a conversation/dicussion with someone else and only happen to involve you.

    Now sit, Ukan sit.

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  103. Luke you are really trying to tell us you were a violent drug dealer give me a break. Where did you do time at?

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  104. People feared Ukan would throw up on them and make turd remarks like he did to Zwhaq and to Erin about her deceased son.

    THAT IS NOT RESPECT. UKAN IS NOT RESPECTED.

    Luke is, already. Look at Medusa and TNP, two of the most respected ones on here.
    They are up on the Forum talking to Luke.

    You lost, worm Ukan.
    Go play in the dirt.

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  105. Your not really writing indirectly about me anyway luke. All I see is a lengthy excuse on why you couldn't take it in here. Everything you wrote in the forum was a lengthy excuse on why you ran from here. Except for your response to Kari. Why do you feel she should have answers?

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  106. It's amusing how you cling so desperately to any random anon or near anon that shows you slightest bit of positive attention, Luke. That's why you lovet the forum. You can voice your opinions without people rubbing the truth in your face. I guess the few people who don't see you as pathetic are right, and the overwhelming amount of people pointing out your flaws and delusions are wrong. Right Luke? If you had opened your eyes and listened for a while instead of running your mouth off, you would have realised that all people who come here in your confused and bullshit ridden state are put down pretty quickly. We don't just bark blindly at everyone who comes on. You need something to work with to get at people on here. This only happens to people like YOU.

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  107. And just to confirm the lack of intelligence, Anon 8:55, it was Ukan's dog's head he stomped not his cat. LOL

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  108. Mis
    You are a bird.

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  109. Ukan-do you believe violent drug dealers don't exist, do you believe they don't own computers, or do you believe they couldn't possibly be sociopaths? Explain your doubt.

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  110. TNP respects Luke, already, more than he does you, Ukan.

    Ask him, when he comes on. I know the answer will be "Yes"
    People were afraid you would rip them a new one. That is not respect, Worm Boy.

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  111. @luke

    ukan is a violent drug dealer.

    tnp is a serial killer/business man or something.

    mis is also a violent asshole/criminal of some nature.

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  112. Luke, thats Ukan's MO, drug dealing and prison.

    And he's proud of it.

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  113. If Ukan were in prison, he would be Luke's bi atch.

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  114. @mis-not sure where you're seeing me "clinging to anons". I've in fact said I have no use for them or their defense. To further that when you started this yesterday I told you that if you were lucky the entire crowd would jump to your defense, that you'd need them. If you want people to listen Mis, if that's your goal, then why not try saying something useful?

    You say I'm "hiding on the forums" and yet I'm right here, I'm just ignoring your puppy, because he's not worthy of recognition, let alone an actual regular interchange of words. One can post in both places, you're aware of that right?

    What's amusing is the solace you seem to take in the fact that you feel you're part of some crowd, some pack. You've readily admitted that you bark at newcomers, so don't give me that. I do not now, nor will I ever care what either the crowd, you, your puppy, or anyone else thinks in general of who I am, what I am, or whatever if it's based on their own stupidity or own need for attention and/or respect. I know exactly who or what I am, and I have zero need to prove it to you, justify it to you, or explain it to you. I came here for one purpose, and that apparently involves the forums as there's a severe lack of intelligence or forum for my purpose here. If you have a problem with that, that's your problem to figure out because it sure as hell doesn't bother me. Good luck with that.

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  115. @Anon
    You give Ukan too much respect. He's nothing. Were he in my presence he'd spend that time on his knees. If this were real life his pathetic grabs for attention would not be ignored, I'd simply put a knife through his throat. Unfortunately it's not, and there's no opportunity to end his mouth once and for all, and since that opportunity doesn't exist he's better off being treated like the trash that he is and ignored. A violent drug dealer, lmao. Please. Who would be scared of him? His cat? He doesn't even seem to believe drug dealers exist, or just thinks it's impossible to meet one on a sociopath website. Fucking idiot probably dropped out of third grade to deal when he hit a growth spurt, shot up to 5'8" and figured out he was bigger than everyone. Of course by the time 5th grade rolled around he wasn't any more, and he's been useless since, herego his tantrums here. He's pathetic and he's not worthy of the time and/or respect he's given by anyone here, or his cat in real life since no one who has ever met him for real has ever given him either of those things.

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  116. I never said I sold drugs. I never said what I actually do in the three years of being here. I just said what I do isn't legitimate and that I've talked sometimes about prison. You are the ones who always assume what I am.
    Do you know why luke? I don't really give a toss what wankers here think. I didn't come in here crowing about the 'horrible things' ive done to people. Do you know why luke? People who actually do things like you speak of and who are involved in the trade you speak of don't run their mouths to the point where someone vindictive on here can get enough information for a search warrant.

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  117. and since every line of that just fed his tiny ego and sense of self-importance, that'll be the last bit of that type of talk-or any type of talk-I'll direct the puppy's way.

    Now sit Ukan. Sit.

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  118. LMAO Ukan
    You run your mouth more than anyone.

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  119. How much time did you do luke?

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  120. This is your moment of truth,Ukan.What are you gonna do, humble yourself or run?

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  121. Yeah, run back to the victim forum Luke where you belong. For the record you lasted shorter than that 18 year old Jason. Some violent drug dealer you are. Your only fan is some muppet 45 year old ugly cunt that thinks she is psychic. The only reason she likes you is because you are just like her. Running from the main site to the forums so she won't be ridiculed for being a fake.

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  122. Actually Ukan, you do crow about the "horrible things" you've done to people, on a regular basis.

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  123. Your a bitch Luke you can't take UKans wrath

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  124. UKan keep kicking him. He can't face you because he knows everything he says will be exposed

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  125. Luke get on your knees and beg UKans forgiveness

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  126. See Luke I can do the same thing it means nothing. anon support is like a paper tiger

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  127. Ukan-you getting a search warrant would involve your name being on paperwork. Your address. Etc. Anyone's welcome to try, just remember what the penalty is.
    Anyone worth their salt can not be busted by a simple search warrant. My house was searched 9 times in a 6 week period at one point and they came up with nothing.
    I do not care if my house is searched. My house is completely clean of anything that could ever imprison me. That is not a concern of mine.
    I have no need to assume what you are Ukan, I know what you are as well as you do. Don't worry, you don't have to admit it in front of your friends.
    What would somebody get a search warrant for me on? Because I said "think cartel or mob"? Did you think that might be the point of saying that and not actually going into any detail? You miss the point of saying "think cartel or mob". How many times do you run into someone who says "I've done bad things" and then go on to list the time they took a candy bar from Shaw's, put a cherry bomb in the toilet growing up, or snagged a ten spot from mommy's purse? The point is simply to qualify the statement made prior to that, not to brag, not anything because again, I don't care what you think Ukan, or anyone. You can think I'm a fluffer on a porn set in real life for all I care, or you can think I'm the second coming of Scarface, your thoughts on the matter make no difference to me.

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  128. Yah truth, show me a quote of that

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  129. You practically send a thank you card to the anons who say anything nice to you Luke. When random anons talk me up I ignore them mostly. I don't care. All you've been doing is explaining yourself to us since you got here. Who's really begging for attention here? Not me, I'm giving it all to you. The fact that you think you can impress us with your vague tales of all the "really bad things you've done and think you could do" is a joke.

    If you really didn't care what we think of you you wouldn't have spent 90% of your time on here responding to our comments.

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  130. "That forum is exactly what I predicted it to be: Protective custody for people who can't hack it here."

    What an idiot.

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  131. Luke said he was not going to answer you anymore, Ukan

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  132. Mis
    Give up
    You done be beat

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  133. The most violent thing I've talked about here was kicking my dog for eating my controller or a funny story about hitting some kid in the head with a mop handle in reaction to us talking about guys that act like bitches. I would never put out there anything past that because i don't need to prove anything. Truth you are nothing but a hater. you hate that people get torn down here and you are always on their side against me. You are the lawyer for the pathetic and that's the truth.

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  134. @Ukan 9:29
    LMFAO and smiling

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  135. and again, the truly sad thing is the only times I've ever posted here I've attached my name to them. Why would I post fake support? Are you having a hard time understanding I don't care about the support? Yours, mine, mis's, whoever it is the crowd wants to support they're welcome to do so, it makes no difference whatsoever to me. I've said that from moment one. I don't run around bragging about anything I've done. Tell me one thing I've said that I've done. Just one. You can't come up with a specific because I spoke in generalities to lend a background to what I was saying, not in specifics about anything trying to garner support, admiration, or respect from anyone.
    I've said over and over I don't care if ppl want to defend me, if Truth wants to defend me-he seems wise, don't get me wrong-but if he were on the other side I'd say the same thing, the side he currently stands on doesn't mean anything in terms of what I think of him, the same way no matter how you introduced yourself to me-through rant or handshake-it would have no effect on what I think of you either.
    When it comes to worrying about the crowd, posting as an anon to lend support, any of that you're really on your own there, it's not something I think or care about.

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  136. Hi Lukey

    Please give up the scary drug dealer dribble. Its rather sad

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  137. Ukan
    You done been beat
    Go piddle in the corner, now


    Erin is pretty,too :-)

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  138. "The most violent thing I've talked about here was kicking my dog for eating my controller or a funny story about hitting some kid in the head with a mop handle in reaction to us talking about guys that act like bitches. I would never put out there anything past that because i don't need to prove anything. Truth you are nothing but a hater. you hate that people get torn down here and you are always on their side against me. You are the lawyer for the pathetic and that's the truth."

    Man, you're real tough. I was getting scared just reading that. I hope I never run into you in person.

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  139. @Mis-you have an overblown sense of self-importance if you think I'm doing anything to impress you. Seriously over-blown. I answer you because you don't appear to be incredibly ignorant or stupid. Don't take that for more than it is. I had a little laugh at your puppy's expense with an anon at one point, and answered another who accused me of being here longer than I had let on. That's about the extent of it, not sure how that turns into sending a thank you note.
    I didn't say you were begging for attention Mis, but when someone actually creates a conversation with themselves because they're so desperate for attention, well it's pretty obvious then. If you don't see that in your puppy, well I don't know what to tell you.
    To my previous post, I did say I wasn't going to answer Ukan any longer, but what can I say? I'm bored.

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  140. actually... please clarify. i wanna hear details. this house that was RAIDED and nothing was found- well where did you hide it? How much and what where you moving each day/week/month?

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  141. Luke you said you would never respond to me, but all of your responses have been to me since you got here. Even your story. Did you know that I was Kari? Ha ha ha. I wanted you to throw it all on the table so I can have at you. I knew you were going to come with the tall tales and lies. I just didn't know you were going to go that big with it.
    Medusa told you to shutup and watch first. That was good advice. I was doing that very thing when she said it. Watching you hang yourself with every comment. I just predicted that the forum would be a place where people can hide that got slaughtered here a few day s before you came. You came in and fulfilled that prediction. Erin, maybe I'm fucking psychic too?
    I know you are not involved in crime because you think that the cartel is called the cartel which it isn't. Only civilians call them that and cops. Most drug dealers who are at any level above a dope fiend getting high off his own supply would know that. What were you some pot dealer? Oh wow. You talk about mob shite. The mob isn't called the mob either you idiot, only civilians call them that. There is a whole world you don't know about luke. Save that story for the wide eyed birds you are trying to impress. when you are around people who have been around the block they will call you on your bollocks.

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  142. This anon supporting you is Erin Luke. Which is even more pathetic. She actually believes in respectable sociopaths with integrity. Lol. The fact that you're even giving her the time of day is truly sad. If you had any sense and didnt crave attention you would have told her to go fuck herself by now. Like everyone else has.

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  143. Maybe when Misanthrope learns to read he'll actually have something to say about the post instead of trying to prove how tough he is on the internet.

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  144. Is THAT all you can come up with,Ukan?

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  145. Your not bored Luke, you were ripped from your little shell. You are predictable. I knew your narcissistic tendencies would drag you over here if I just shamed you enough on here. You are responding because your ego is damaged. You are responding because I showed everyone how much of a true coward you are for running to the forums like a bitch when I stepped into the field. You have shown everyone who you are here. From the moment Medusa first called you out. I only wish I got there first.

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  146. Mis
    You got dicks to suck.Stop talking and start sucking :-)

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  147. @Ukan
    You just SAID you were watching. MAKE YOU YOUR FUCKING MIND.

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  148. Something to say about a post on a show I've never watched?

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  149. Is THAT all you can come up with,Ukan?


    No Erin, I have something for you too you old hag. Your picture is ugly. You look like you aged fast. The fact that you didn't stop your husband from molesting your son show that you are the one who's at fault for your son dying. Don't come to this forum standing up at all. You should be shamed for who you are. You were a fuck doll for your mum, a punching bag for your husband, and a accomplice in your sons death. You are the one who's guilty erin. You are filth. That's why your mum used you erin. You were worthless to here, just like you are to everyone else

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  150. Oh lordy...

    I've showed up too late in the day to play catch up.

    Fuck trying to sift through all the monster posts of today's mayhem!

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  151. @Ukan
    I should not laugh at you, but you are pathetic, so I can't stop myself.

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  152. You are sure here early. I wasn't expecting you yet, Luke.

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  153. @Mis-again, you and Ukan are the ones concerned about support, not me, doesn't matter to me who it is, what they say, or who they support. Really makes no difference whatsoever except that I guess it catches your attention?

    @Ukan-you quickly become more boring eh? "I was ripped from my shell?" lmao. What makes you think you can do that to people at all, let alone as some anonymous person online? Is there something that makes you think anyone at all cares what you have to say? I've told you many times you're barely worth recognition, let alone an actual conversation. I've been trying to give you a chance as you seemed to have calmed your incessant ranting down, but you've moved right back to it, so back to the corner you go.
    And I'm done with you. Please go back to creating conversation with yourself, you're the only one that's listening.

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  154. It's good because Erin actually admitted to being ashamed of her body and being jealous of other women. You have good reason for being ashamed, Erin. I'm not just saying that to hurt you either. I regret ever looking at your awful just because of that repulsive picture of yourself you put up. What man would ever want you? You lolk like you might crumble when touched.

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  155. Now you want to come out. Don't post as anons Erin you give yourself away because you are too fucking stupid to hide yourself. You dumb bitch nobody wants to read your delusional rants on that forum or anywhere else except broken muppets like zwaq, kao, or this blow hard luke. Your son killed himself thinking of how you betrayed him. Think of that next time you are ranting about being psychic. If you were psychic your dead son would be haunting you as we speak asking why you didn't save him from the torments of your husband. He would ask you why your insecurity was more important than his life in the fact that you wouldn't leave your husband because you were too insecure even though he was molesting your son. Oh luke, run on sentance agin. can you corect that fer me.

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  156. Ukan
    I just left you a song dedication from me to you, Baby.


    @Mis
    Awww, you jealous. You want a song,too. Give me a sec :)

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  157. "Something to say about a post on a show I've never watched?"

    Then you shouldn't even be here at all. In which case, we'd all still have the ten IQ points we lose every time you open your mouth.

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  158. I don't know why you spend so much time defending yourself since you don't care about what we say, Luke. Funny that.

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  159. By your logic you shouldn't be here either "Bobby". Well done.

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  160. And I'm done with you. Please go back to creating conversation with yourself, you're the only one that's listening.

    That's the tenth time you have said that. In fact luke you said that yesterday and instead flamed up the victim forum with responses to what I said about you. All defensive of course so I don't even know why you said your done with me. What have you said? Its more like your done getting bagged on. However, that's not for you to decide, luke.
    I'm not having a conversation with myself, as those are all posts directed at me, are they not? Passive aggressiveness and indirect talk does not mean you are ignoring me, it just shows that you are too scared to face me because of what some people told you I would do to you yesterday.

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  161. @Ukan
    Ho hum
    You have tried your tired stuff on me before.
    Anything else? You put me to sleep. Time for a nap.


    @Mis
    I can't find a song for you cuz you are not distinctive enough .You are Ukan's lap dog,so just use his song "Under My Thumb" by the Stones,in case you didn't go over to the Forum to see

    Bye Boys *kisses*

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  162. Is kao still licking your pussy Erin?
    He must not be doing a good job if you're hanging out here today.

    I've enjoyed reading your torment unfold up there. I have to thank kao for that. Must be that special animal/child magnetism he spoke of.

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  163. I dont read your comments on the forum Erin. I'm glad they stopped being on here. Remember when every single regular here said they wanted your annoying commments out of here? That's the type of company you now keep luke. Enjoy it. You talk of puppies when that is what you surround yourself with, luke. You can't play with the wolves when you surround yourself with the pups.

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  164. i love the smell of mayhem in the morning.

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  165. @Eden
    If that is what you call it,in your corner of the world, then I feel sorry for you.
    You ARE trash,after all.

    Anyhoo
    If you all want to talk to me, I am back on the Forum.
    Good Day, All

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  166. As you can see Erin... life has gone on just fine without you down here.

    Stay up there, where the world is safe for you.

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  167. Luke

    people like you wouldn't ever last in the drug world period. u know why...u love to talk. all you have done is talk talk and talk. you would have been taken out by now

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  168. Don't call me trash you whore. You are the one who was being finger banged by your own mother. Even she thought you were rubbish and decided to cut her losses and get something out of it. I don't blame her. But your son Erin? Your own son? You knew about it, didn't you? You knew your husband was molesting your son and you did NOTHING. How can you live with yourself knowing your failed your son. How can you live with the fact that your son thought about your betrayal right before he killed himself.

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  169. What do you wear when you go to the beach Erin? If you say bikini I might just throw up.

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  171. o_0 fuck me sideways ^^ today is looking up after all

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  172. people like you wouldn't ever last in the drug world period. u know why...u love to talk. all you have done is talk talk and talk. you would have been taken out by now

    Exactly luke. You think I thought you weren't a drug dealer because you had a computer? ha ha ha. No I thought you weren't a violent drug dealer because I know plenty and they don't run their mouths about the 'horrible things' they've done to people. They have a reputation that speaks for itself. People like you like to say vague things of violence because it makes you seem like you have a colored past. In reality you are some geek on here giving grammar lessons to sociopaths.

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  173. Oh look who showed up defending the christian psychic who got molested by her mum. It's the male prostitute who thinks he is a refined gentlemen. Ha ha ha. This is fucking great. How do you people sell yourselves on your delusions so easily. I want to believe lies about myself as easy as you do. It would make my job easier. All we need now is Jason and zWaq here and we can have a real party

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  174. Calm down before you bust a blood vessel Dave. Haha. I repeat myself over and over and still manage to get people like you to make fools out of themselves. I think I must've found the magic formula. Like a said this isn't real life, you don't know much about me so whats the point of bringing all that into this? Don't you worry about my sex life Dave. Just stay on the defencive. Attack mode doesn't suit.

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  175. What kind of women do you get you miserable ape? Have you seen her figure?

    You know david I find it amusing that someone who fucks men for a living and is lonely is going to educate us on a women's figure or challenge someone on how many women they've fucked

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  177. Haha.

    And I didn't know you were so protective of Erin dave. Aren't you sweet.

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  179. Erin you can't escape the guilt. It's around every corner. That is why you look the way you do now. You look old and gnarled from the years of guilt hanging around your neck like a cement block. Your entire life has been one piece of guilt being tied to the next.
    You flirted with your mother that's why she fondled you, Erin. You dirty little whore. She fiddled your vagina because you asked for it. You were nothing but worthless rubbish to her just like you were to your husband.
    Your husband used you to pop out a sex toy: Your son. You stood by and watched him get abused and now you have the gall to come in here and give people advice? How can you give any advice when you didn't even have enough spine in you to stop your husband from sexually abusing YOUR OWN CHILD. Your own son erin? How could you have done that to him. How could you let him suffer like that till he had to end it all just to make it stop. He thought you would protect him. That would have been a safe assumption, Erin, since you were supposed to be his mother. Do you ever wonder what was going through his tormented mind before he did it Erin? How does it feel knowing that in all likelyhood he thought how much you didn't love him right before he ended his own life?

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  180. You are the one saying I'm a drug dealer dave. I never said it. I said I was a consultant. You on the other hand have readily admitted that you are a whore who was sexually abused for years by some old man. Disgusting.

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  181. I wonder what would happen if someone killed themselves as a result of the social dynamics of this place.

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  182. don't need me here, got David owning you all, lol. But oh I forgot-anyone that calls you out for who you are is delusional right Mis?

    Sweetcheeks-your television show experience means nothing. You, actually, mean nothing.

    @David "The magic formula, bravo big boy, you're all powerful around here..."
    A little like being the smartest kid with down syndrome isn't it? lmao

    @mis-the lol's aren't hiding anything, I'm just laughing at you. Interesting you go on about how gay David is. You're a man that goes by "Miss". 'Nuff said.

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  183. @Luke
    LMFAO


    Oh By the way, I talked to Erin.She said to tell Ukan,"Ho Hum, Come up with some new material, already"

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  184. I wasn't trying to sound tough. I was having a laugh. Mabye your the humourless one here Dave. If I'm going to be here I may as well spend my time laughing at people like you. You make it sound like its a challenge to send I few texts on a phone or type some shit on a computer. Mabye you just have trouble sitting down in front of your computer after getting your ass rammed all day. I think the real question here is why do you feel so threatened by all the "big strong macho men"? Thats all you ever seem to talk about. Did those kids who bullied you at school(and supposedly turned you into a sociopath) call you a faggot and and a sissy Dave(I guess they were pretty close to the mark). Was your father always disappointed by you? Even before you became a whore?

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  185. @ David

    Why would you waste your time defending someone who clearly is here to be victimized further? I have nothing against Erin, but who comes to a socio blog and spills there innermost secrets to a bunch of people who are using that info to get off? Someone who wants to be victimized further on some subconscious level at the least

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  186. Luke, you are like Brad Pitt right now. You just don't know when to shut up. Like musicians who don't know the importance of knowing when to not play. That is your biggest failing so far.

    You turn into some giddy child when someone takes your side, or however you see it. "See! See! I'm not the only one!" And then you have some kind of bonding post with whoever is also against whoever you are against.

    Also, don't think that David is backing you so much as he is taking this opportunity to get back at Mis for previous interactions.

    vw: mumso. Take that as a hint.

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  187. If your laughing at everyone Luke why do you keep responding even though you are now at the eleventh time saying that you won't.

    Luke:

    "I won't respond, but here's my response but I won't respond anymore.lol"

    "Ok, well I have to defend myself again, so heres my response. I'm not going to respond again though. lol."

    "I ignored every comment you said. I didn't even read it. Here's my response though. I won't respond to your shit again. You guys are lol."

    "I'm not even going to respond to your response with this response, and I never will. Here's what I have to say about it though. Next time I'm not going to respond.lol"

    "You guys just repeat yourself.lol"

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  188. "But oh I forgot-anyone that calls you out for who you are is delusional right Mis?"

    Practically nobody calls me out until I call them out. I call people out for being delusional fuck ups much like you. Get your facts straight.

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  189. Let me quantify-when I say I've done horrible things (and please don't be some douchebag-anyone who is reading this-that reads this and thinks I'm bragging. Don't flatter yourself, I don't give a shit what you think.) I don't mean that I've pulled some pranks or something. I also don't mean that I wandered around my neighborhood killing small animals or something, I don't see how that would benefit me, and I don't mind doing horrible shit, but I only do it if it benefits me. When I say horrible shit I won't get into it in specifics either (again, I'm not bragging) but to give you an idea think...cartel. Think...mob, that sort of thing.

    -Luke

    Luke do you really think anyone buys this shite? This is the most melodramatic rubbish I've heard.

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  190. @sweetcheeks

    if you pay attention long enough, you find that Erin is quite shallow, and can't process a quarter of the information given to her here.

    Her head is so thick that she translate positive and negative, as the same thing.

    I'd love to say it's just some histrionic thing, but my gut says she's a cocktail of a mess.

    I have a sister just like her. You can't do anymore damage than what is already done... and there's no help for someone like her.

    That's why it's so hard for me to figure how I want to play with her. I just go with what feels good, for the moment.

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  191. "Don't call me trash you whore. You are the one who was being finger banged by your own mother"

    LMAO

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  192. Somebody should list all the times luke has sucked somebody's dick for complimenting him. There was one point where he actually name dropped Eden the Wheatly pointed out that she was being sarcastic. Classic.

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  193. @Medusa-so I can't find humor in another's post without what? Becoming their biggest fan somehow or something? Who said anything about him backing me? I just said I didn't need to be here slapping Mis around. You seem to think there's some sort of "issue" to quote your post on the forums last night (were you hiding? Because it seems when you post there you're hiding for some reason?) yet the issue remains yours, Mis's, and your puppy's. I have no issue with any of this, I find it to be comical and more entertainment than what I would otherwise be doing. There's no "issue" with a bunch of idiots who want to run their mouths online, lol (see, that's me laughing at you again Mis). Any 7 year old child can do that, the only difference is that 7 year old child doesn't think it makes them special to yap online-you guys seem to.

    @Mis-you yap on a blog. That's about it. Don't try to beef it up into more than it is.

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  194. @Eden

    yup I am seeing that

    But either way she is willing and fully participating therefor needs no defense

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