Tuesday, October 22, 2013

Nature wills discord

Truth: nature wills discord. From Immanuel Kant's "Idea for a Universal History from a Cosmopolitan Point of View" (1784):

The means employed by Nature to bring about the development of all the capacities of men is their antagonism in society, so far as this is, in the end, the cause of a lawful order among men.

By “antagonism” I mean the unsocial sociability of men, i.e., their propensity to enter into society, bound together with a mutual opposition which constantly threatens to break up the society. Man has an inclination to associate with others, because in society he feels himself to be more than man, i.e., as more than the developed form of his natural capacities. But he also has a strong propensity to isolate himself from others, because he finds in himself at the same time the unsocial characteristic of wishing to have everything go according to his own wish. Thus he expects opposition on all sides because, in knowing himself, he knows that he, on his own part, is inclined to oppose others. This opposition it is which awakens all his powers, brings him to conquer his inclination to laziness and, propelled by vainglory, lust for power, and avarice, to achieve a rank among his fellows whom he cannot tolerate but from whom he cannot withdraw. 

Thus are taken the first true steps from barbarism to culture, which consists in the social worth of man; thence gradually develop all talents, and taste is refined; through continued enlightenment the beginnings are laid for a way of thought which can in time convert the coarse, natural disposition for moral discrimination into definite practical principles, and thereby change a society of men driven together by their natural feelings into a moral whole. Without those in themselves unamiable characteristics of unsociability from whence opposition springs-characteristics each man must find in his own selfish pretensions-all talents would remain hidden, unborn in an Arcadian shepherd’s life, with all its concord, contentment, and mutual affection. Men, good-natured as the sheep they herd, would hardly reach a higher worth than their beasts; they would not fill the empty place in creation by achieving their end, which is rational nature. 

Thanks be to Nature, then, for the incompatibility, for heartless competitive vanity, for the insatiable desire to possess and to rule! Without them, all the excellent natural capacities of humanity would forever sleep, undeveloped. Man wishes concord; but Nature knows better what is good for the race; she wills discord. He wishes to live comfortably and pleasantly; Nature wills that he should be plunged from sloth and passive contentment into labor and trouble, in order that he may find means of extricating himself from them. The natural urges to this, the sources of unsociableness and mutual opposition from which so many evils arise, drive men to new exertions of their forces and thus to the manifold development of their capacities. They thereby perhaps show the ordering of a wise Creator and not the hand of an evil spirit, who bungled in his great work or spoiled it out of envy.

I have gotten a lot of flack for being ruthless, for ruining people, for going after my enemies with full force of mind and spirit, and particularly for enjoying it all (would Jesus do that? the God of the Old Testament seems to). What do we think of soldiers who enjoy killing? Monsters? What do we think of people who love beating their opponent soundly? Antisocial? What do we think of people who think that they are the best at what they do? Narcissists? Delusional? What do we think of people who are willing to get their hands dirty in order to achieve their goals? Primitive? Evil? One of my favorite things is to be beaten by a worthy opponent, so I have a hard time understanding when other people claim to be the "victim" of a sociopath who happened to, for example, outplay them at politics at work, or in a child custody battle, or business partnership, or any number of skirmishes that are necessary for the world to function as it currently does. I know that some people loathe the fact that this is life, that it makes us no better than animals. I love Kant's suggestion that it is exactly the opposite -- this antagonism is what prompts humans to strive to achieve something more than living like animals.

Along those same lines, from this NY Times article "Are the Roma Primitive, or Just Poor?" (which hilariously suggests that primitive/poor are the only possible explanations for their particular brand of "antisocial" living):

 “It is very difficult to interpret their behavior based on our own 20th-century standards,” Alain Behr, a defense lawyer who represented two of the accused clan chiefs, explained by telephone from Nancy. “This community crosses time and space with its traditions, and we in Europe have trouble to integrate them. Yet they have preserved their tradition, which is one of survival.”

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  1. Oh, I think you're refering to that recent story in the news about
    that beautiful blond haired child that was found living among the
    dark skinned gypsys. They were genetically ruled out to be her
    parents. I don't nessasarily know if the gypsys should be lauded
    for their way of life. They think they have a lifetime pass to steal
    because one gypsy stole one of the nails used to crucify Christ.
    Though Gypsies shared the death camps with the Jews, they don't
    have the sole market on criminality. There were many kidnap and
    abuse rings operating in Beligum. Teen girls were being kiddnaped
    abused, imprisioned and killed for the pleasure of the wealthy and
    powerful folk.

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    1. France has cracked down on gypsies for a long time now. Starting with Sarkozy of "Kärcher" fame. He suggested that some quarters should be cleaned out with this type of high pressure cleaners. That's wasn't about Romas, but anyway.

      In the midst of a tense period and following the accidental death of an 11-year-old boy in the Paris suburb of La Courneuve in June 2005, Sarkozy quoted a local resident and vowed to clean the area out "with a Kärcher" (nettoyer la cité au Kärcher, referring to a well-known German brand of pressure-cleaning equipment). Two days before the 2005 Paris riots he referred to young criminals of nearby housing projects as "voyous" ("thugs") and "racaille", a slang term which can be translated into English as "rabble", "scum" or "riff-raff", in answer to resident who addressed Sarkozy with "Quand nous débarrassez-vous de cette racaille?" ("When will you rid us of these dregs?")

      There was a heightened debate about Sarkozy's measures against Roma on the European level.

      For whatever reason Hollande, social democrat has boosted pressure, clamping down on may illegal camps.

      I can't help but it always reminds me of my juvenile hitchhiking travels in France in summer. Wherever you liked to rest head or your sleeping bag, you were faced with signs of "propriété privée"/private property. My experiences of course were limited, but you didn't find these type of signs in other European countries. ... No of course these people usually have campers. Trailer would probably trigger a different type of association. No?

      The story you heard about the fair haired girl found in the gypsy camp was about Greece, I think. I have paid no close attention but maybe you are mixing matters up quite a bit.

      But yes, the scandal in Belgum was highly interesting, unfortunately not related. There is also so far no evidence how the girl got there. The care takers claim to have illegally adopted the girl from a Bulgarian woman. There are many rumors, but none about sexual misuse. And I guess by the time it hit news there would have been evidence for that. The words used are unkempt. The rumor so far seems to be the girl was forced to panhandling.

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    2. Don't misunderstand by the way, I wasn't suggesting if matters don't make it into the news there are no problems in other Euopean countries.

      Radical Statistics. Counting Backwards: the Roma 'numbers game' in Central and Eastern Europe, Colin Clark

      This paper argues that discrimination, politics and associated factors have led to a situation whereby population figures for one of Europe's most discriminated against ethnic minority groups are unknown, manipulated and contested. In the paper these reasons are critically examined and conclusions drawn on how the "numbers game" has been played in Europe with regard to the Roma.


      The polite face of Europe on Roma matters.

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  2. Wait until your niece is snatched and see then how much respect you have for the anti-social approach to life as you watch family members fall apart with grief.

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  3. Kant supposes that the fuel for ambition is antagonism. I suppose that competition does drive many to excel but it's not the only explanation for a drive to succeed. This strikes me as a motivation having far more to do with narcissism and a reflected sense of self than true sociopathy. Sociopaths high in narcissism may be wired this way, but there are plenty (perhaps more) sociopaths who are loners/parasites who don't have much interest in participating in society because they don't feel the same need for human contact that most of the population does.

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    1. I have met met the meme about the dangerous loner before. In a nutshell: someone defined evil by whoever must also be a loner. But interesting to see it emerge in the larger context of "danger emanating from the sociopath".

      I understand an American serial killer belonged to this type. But what else feeds into this recurring theme?

      Isn't writing a pretty lonely profession to? Or do I get things wrong and you did never claim to be a writer?

      But this sure is a step ahead: loners/parasites, in other words loners are also or always parasites.

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    2. Ok. One "met" would be enough. Personal patterns. ;)

      Question: As a writer do you feel you grasp the word antagonism, beyond "the ultimate Antagonist" (rel.). What makes you feel that opposing forces are always negative? Personally I find it more frightening if there is close to no opposing opinion on matters or worse none at all. What about political systems that do not allow any opposing forces?

      I cannot completely grasp it yet, but you seem to develop into something of my favorite antagonist. ... But yes, I am also always impressed when I met people that have such a solid grasp of Kant's three critiques.

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    3. the sociopath is by nature a loner because he/she has suppressed all attachment needs leading to emotional dependencies.

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    4. Parasitic behavior happens when someone is completely uninterested in the relationship they participate in on more than a transactional level, making it, by definition a successful interaction only if exploitation occurs. That's why being a loner and parasitic behavior are connected.
      As for antagonism being good at times- absolutely. From an exercise physiology standpoint, muscles only become stronger after being broken down by opposing force first. At the risk of sounding like a cliche' I think our friend Mr Nietzche (sp?) said it best- "That which does not kill me makes me stronger."

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    5. But surely Mach you concede that while parasitic behaviour generally requires that you be a loner, being a loner doesn't itself mean you will engage in parasitic behaviour.

      I never knew it was Nietzsche (bloody German names!) who originally came up with that line; I thought it was one of Obi Wan Kenobi's :)

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    6. Jamie, it is really easy. All we need to do is repeat Mach's life path: Marry a "Christian fundamentalist" one that take more than he gives, which means he is a "psychopath" (parasite). How do it? Well we have to develop a solid accounting mind concerning giving and taking. I think Kant would possibly object from an ethical perspective to such accounting, but that's another question. The result will be a bit like in Kindergarten: Look, Mom, his piece of cake is bigger than mine or He took more than he gave me. Get it? But once we "survived" both marriage and this setting we are naturally certified specialists on socio/psychopathy. Everyone out there will bow to our expertise. We will be invited to talk shows as "expert survivor".

      And now on to the citation, larger source may contain odd errors on a cursory check, but serves our task here: Friedrich Nietzsche, Twilight of Idols, Maxims and Arrows

      8 Out of life's school of war: What does not destroy me, makes me stronger.

      I could be really vicious and parallel it with a quote by Himmler, that is eerily reminiscent, but the context is just too sick so I better don't. Some people simply don't get it.

      Let's instead move on to the following maxims:

      9 Help yourself, then everyone will help you. Principle of neighbor-love.
      10 Not to perpetrate cowardice against one's own acts! Not to leave them in the lurch afterward! The bite of conscience is indecent.
      11 Can an ass be tragic? To perish under a burden one can neither bear nor throw off? The case of the philosopher.

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    7. Hmm, personal pattern, again deleted to much which left a superfluous comma and :

      I could be really vicious and parallel the original quote with a quote by Himmler eerily reminiscent of the part Mach uses, but the context is just too sickening so I better don't.

      Besides I wanted to be funny. Best way to deal with a specific type of emotion. But ....

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    9. I find myself displaying more schizoid traits the further I progress into my forties: more lazy, but perhaps more benevolent (in my detached sort of way). If one has been a successful enough parasite, the savings and assets are there to become independent at last, happily.

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    10. My ex is no psychopath. He also isn't a Christian fundamentalist.

      Thanks for clarifying, Mach. That's why you deleted the odd comment not so long ago? Yes, sometimes our babbling could be misleading. Clarification appreciated. And the whimper not the bang was not about not receiving as much as you gave, as you put it in one of our exchanges, but about "irreconcilable differences". Well that's a less emotional way to put it. Great. But good you remain friends. Certainly good for the early "pissing and pooping machines", if I may? Four of them you wrote in the now deleted comment. Absolutely no doubt that was a lot of work.
      .... May I put on record my tribute to your honesty and your always well reflected judgments?

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    11. muscles only become stronger after being broken down by opposing force first.

      Mach, I never heard that torn muscles fibres become stronger once they are properly functioning again. I find muscles and opposing force a little odd. Weight lifting? Or muscle hernia? Seems in the latter there is something like an "opposing force". But if that was the case, wouldn't some "break" them instead of swallowing anabolic steroids? OK, that's a bit cynical, maybe.

      But I am always willing to learn.

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    12. Thank you machbempath and jamie

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    14. @3:08
      Lifting weights makes you stronger because it produces micro tears. If your protein stores are adequate and you are well rested and do this in a controlled fashion, it's called resistance training. Completely tearing a muscle is another matter entirely.

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    15. There were also major double standards of morality for men and women. Ultimately I wanted to leave the community for reasons of conscience and not wanting to live a double life. Sadly, he didn't want to leave because the life of an affluent privileged white male at the top of the food chain is pretty sweet

      Fair enough. So in spite of your shared opinions about religious fundamentalism before you married, you both decided to live in such a community and also accepted the reigning standards around and had four kids. Your marriage ended in a whimper about 7 years ago. Your ex agreed to take care of the kids. But in spite of that there is still reason to get pissed about him occasionally. Is this still related to the giving and taking balance? Or to the early pissing and pooping machines, we so far have not heard much about?

      Yes, much could be said about the life of a wife next to an male on the top of the food chain. Were the terms of the divorce decree satisfying? Strictly the life of a wife of a male on top of the food-chain can be pretty satisfying too, if she manages to tune down her expectations otherwise and handles the relationship well. Remember: The average woman lives longer than the male. ...

      What I found most striking, by the way, weren't your comments about your own private life and/or earlier decisions you seem to still struggle with, but the fact that you think you can give advise based on your experience all the time.

      As far as my initial response that I deleted is concerned- I actually thought it was whiny. That's why I deleted it.

      That's not what it felt like to me. My core impression was a rather strong resentment. True you are mostly better at covering it up. Which is why I am lately curious how certain images invade your comments in specific contexts. In that one, you suggested Down people would be the best caretakers of kids since at an early stage they were ultimately nothing but pissing and pooping machines. Understand? Just as lately the "loners/parasites" popped up in another one.

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  4. someone at het company that davidsocio works for was busted with kiddyporn...
    coincidence i don't think so

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  5. It seems somewhat ironic that here we have a sociopath writing in support of some views of Kant's. This was a philosopher whose arguably best-known writings on morality - the categorical imperative - come out strongly against treating other people merely as means (rather than as ends in themselves), when it strikes me that this is exactly how a (stereo)typical sociopath operates within a social setting.

    Of course, there's no reason why one should not be able to accept some parts of an author's opinion while rejecting others but it just occurred to me that the Kantian ethics of "Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end." is a very un-sociopathic way of thinking.

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  6. Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold; 2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the live that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. This may be all you "Sociopaths" and indeed mankind's answer (John 3:5, Matthew 28:19, John 5:43, John 14:26, Luke 24:45-47, # Acts 2:38# Isaiah 9:6, Hebrews 10:4-5, 1 Timothy 3:16, Son referring to father = Flesh/ spirit ( Fully God/ Fully man) John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in the Spirit and in truth.1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of Godliness: God was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the SPIRIT, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Colossians 2:9-10. 2 Timothy 3:1-5 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, coveteous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. Matthew 28:18, I have that same God, the one God Jesus living in my body as the Twelve Apostles, Acts 2:4, God is a spirit, Matthew 4:24, 2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty ( see again 1 John 4:16) (Acts 2:38, applying the gospel) Galatians 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I again, If ANY MAN preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. As time goes by and people continue to follow false teachings of man, rather than the true original ( See Luke 24:45-47, compare to Acts 2:38 for proof) more and more people may suddenly be " Diagnosed" " Sociopaths" Doctors, scientists, indeed the worlds brightest people if the don't know the word, they don't know what is going on. Deception and manipulation from maybe the first "Sociopath" rebel of God, Lu'-ci-fer, son of the morning.( see Isaiah 14:12-17)

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    1. Fuck off, your not wanted here.

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    2. @ 3:47
      if I didn't know better I'd say that sounded a little defensive.
      ps- it's "you're"

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    3. pps- it's "Machiavellian"

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    4. I know :) a screen named picked to convey a sentiment that would be far less likely to be picked up in searches than a correctly spelled moniker :) but thanks for the lesson- touche'

      and re: our hellfire and brimstone friend- why not just let him/her say their piece? It's fascinating to understand how people think. I find deconstructing what appears to be moronic self righteousness to be interesting because the motivations of the diatribe spewers to be so varied.

      also- I have to own that I was too judgmental posts like these when I first started commenting. So I am trying to be more tolerant. (not always succeeding. So far I am good with smart assholes but not dumb assholes)

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    5. I know :) a screen named picked to convey a sentiment that would be far less likely to be picked up in searches than a correctly spelled moniker :) but thanks for the lesson- touche'

      You have given me that argument too, problem is it does not work. Problem is that it actually makes it much more easy to find on the web if there is no other such "misspelling" and combination around.

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    6. I believe that if someone is determined enough, anyone can be found and little filtering techniques don't work with those individuals. It is always risky to leave any sort of electronic trail.
      That being said, if you don't want to pop up in search results of individuals who wouldn't otherwise find you, then deliberate misspellings can be your friend. I am well aware that the word Machiavellian is a "red flag" word because it carries dark triad/personality disorder associations. For that reason, I'd prefer to stay off the radar of large searches (NSA style) that map your character/actions by taking a few data points.
      Simply by choosing to relate within this online forum with a name and a traceable email address carries inherent risk. But when I do the risk/reward analysis, I feel that it's been worth it (at least so far). In order to learn from people you have to interact with them and establish feedback loops. When there is no willingness to be identified, it's much more difficult to learn through a conversation with a particular personality that says something of interest.
      As for my teasing about "your"- I am the queen of misspellings so that wasn't meant harshly at all- it was actually indirectly aimed at the bible quoting person so they'd keep commenting. Right now I am exploring the connections between extreme religious behaviors and character disorders. The best way to learn about someone is to interact with them...

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    7. As for my teasing about "your"- I am the queen of misspellings so that wasn't meant harshly at all- it was actually indirectly aimed at the bible quoting person so they'd keep commenting

      I have not the slightest idea what you are referring to. Should I have?

      For that reason, I'd prefer to stay off the radar of large searches (NSA style) that map your character/actions by taking a few data points.

      They indeed bother, you think? Or use Machiavellian in their specific filters? Now that is interesting! Surely gets them exactly what they are looking for.

      When there is no willingness to be identified, it's much more difficult to learn through a conversation with a particular personality that says something of interest.

      I find especially the use of the "Anonymous" option interesting, anything else is old news. But there you go.

      As far as I am concerned enough idle chatter.

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    8. No idea who this joker is ^^^ I am the original hostile Anonymous who posted the "fuck off" comment.

      per you're (that'll wind you up) comment: "and re: our hellfire and brimstone friend- why not just let him/her say their piece?" -- because they're not saying anything, they're just quoting a load of rubbish and showing no incling of their own opinion or even show that they understand what they're bleating about.

      Nothing against religion, just the idiots who follow it blindly.

      I dont really care how you spell your name, but it was funny at the time.

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    9. Those perverting the original Gospel, and those who follow them, are the blind who shall fall in the ditch, study to show yourself approved so that perhaps you might see.And If you ask my opinion, okay, I am to stand by the word, if I teach you things not in the words or lies, I would be a false witness that speaks lies, an abomination to god, as are these religions, or denominations, that teach other Gospels.Those which work abomination unless the repent will burn Revelation 21:8, if you thing destruction is just Old testament, you would be mistaken.Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

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    10. Just look to the Pharisees(Religion), and see how they stood with him.His Gospel and how to apply it and consequences for no obedience are truth and the fact of the matter, not religious.

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  7. 1 John 4:16 #love

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  8. Machavellianempath- Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. 1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world, is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Isaiah 55:8-9 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. I am nothing, but he is righteous and wise. True if none of you want to receive the truth, I can't convince you, he tells us this, but Woe unto you all if this be the case. In regards to the fire and brimstone, that's not just old testament, that's ever occurring truth. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. These prophecies may even now be coming to fulfillment with maybe even most of you now. 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power. Whatsoever happens throughout the history of this world until a new heavens and earth is created, for these will pass away Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Will only fulfill the word, until that last day.And those of you seeing these messages I have sent, will either be fulfilled into either eternal punishment or life in Glory in the presence of the LORD.But should you read these messages you cannot say you never were offered the truth and Gospel, Jesus came, was crucified then died and rose again to save us FROM our sins.Matthew 1:21, and how to apply and obey his Gospel, John 3:5; Matthew 28:19, Luke 1:35, John 5:43, John 14:26, Luke 24:45-47, Acts 2:38, Isaiah 28:11, Acts 2:4(Evidence of spirit) And you will have no excuses, not that any ever did. You may think yourselves fearless, should you not obey,Revelation 6:15-17 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne(JESUS), and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?Luke 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it (JESUS), from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. All your choices, to the owner of this page and to all, God (JESUS) is no respect or of persons back to Isaiah 64:6

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    1. but what do YOU think?
      ;)
      I had Jehovah's witnesses for neighbors so the stringing together of scriptures with no coherent thread other than "You are bad because you don't think like me" is mildly offensive but something I try to take in stride.

      Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.

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  9. If Jehovah's witnesses don't have the truth, and teach another gospel, they are false witnesses that speaketh lies, as are all other denominations, an abomination.Proverbs 6:16-19.What do I think? He is merciful that we are even allowed to be here with breath for our iniquity Isaiah 64:6.As I said before I cannot convince any of you, as the saying You can lead a horse to the trough, but you can't make him drink, He offers you living waters if you would simply obey him.But I have brought the only way to you, so it's up to you suffer/rejoice Acts 2:38.if you come Another way your a the if/robber John 10:1, Ephesians 4:5-6, Galatians 1:8-9.You ask me what I think, okay I better stand by his word and not be a man pleaser, and suffer with these false prophets( Matthew 24:11) and abominations(Proverbs 6:16-19) adding and taking away.

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    1. I respect your honesty.
      Because you bring up false prophets, how can this online community be convinced you are also not a false prophet? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but just point out that this is a group that has experienced more than their share of condemnation and are mostly immune to the shaming techniques of random strangers.
      There are a lot of people out there who claim to speak for God. What specifically has convinced you that you are his online prophet? I am glad you are not a man pleaser because flattery will muddy your message.

      Why exactly are you posting lots of bible verses strung together that communicate a general message of wrath? What is the outcome you are looking for?

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    2. Online exorcism duh .

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  10. You can tell by the fact I use the word, which bears witness in heaven, 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness record in heaven, The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.write down the words, study them and see that these words are truth, Don't be offended, when I slip and do something against his commandments I have a feeling of conviction, we all have missed the mark, if you feel convicted by his word thank him for his mercy, he may be calling you, how else could we learn to repent from things if not for conviction? Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.John 16:8 And when he is come, he will prove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.I ask you find a United Pentecostal church or one that preaches oneness, and Acts 2:38, the only formula(Gods way) the word tells you if any man gives you another let him be accursed, Galatians 1:8-9, Obey it, and let no man rob you of the Joy, and love you can feel and live in once you do.The "sociopaths" here may not believe in a cure (John 3:5; Acts 2:38) God offers all of you perhaps the only cure there will be. Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.I may would have fit the criteria for the label "Sociopath" prior to obedience to the Gospel, this year actually, but I have felt how much joy and love there can be, if I continue in his commandments, when I missed the mark I may have been worse than before, maybe because through my life I may have just been very flat, lack of feeling, after born again it may would be I may be new to wide ranges, of emotions( I was born again this year) Perhaps as I continue in his commandments I will only grow in joy and love.This Joy, peace, and love is a gift from God, and for all of you through obedience.John 3:5, Acts 2:38, and power to overcome the devil and our own flesh, but it is his power, Zechariah 4:6, now to the peace part John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you.Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.Only through obedience though

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    1. And I don't just use one scripture misused like the popular,just believing,John3:16, yes faith is required, Hebrews 11:6, but faith without works is dead, action through obeying the gospel must come.James 2:17-20, but we are saved by faith, mercy and grace, lest any man should boast Ephesians 2:8-9, no don't follow those who use one scripture poorly used for every situation, remember the blind leading the blind? Matthew 15:13-14 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind.And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall in the ditch. Please see(2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, John 3:5, Acts 2:38, Ephesians 4:5-6, Galatians 1:8-9) But(2 Timothy 2:15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Also, understand that Jesus had a Human body, was fully human and Fully God Hebrews 10:4-5, God is a Spirit John 4:24, when he reffered to Father it was only flesh to Spirit.1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the FLESH, JUSTIFIED IN THE SPIRIT, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. When you obey you will speak in tongues, ISAIAH 28:11, Acts 2:4, You may feel a rising from your belly to out of your mouth see(John 7:38-39) Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

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  11. Life is about saying "Fuck it" to those who matter and "Fuck you" to those who don't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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