Wednesday, September 11, 2013

Power corrupts

Organisms can be very adaptable to fit the needs of a particular situation. For instance, certain animals like clownfish will even change gender depending on the exigencies of procreation. Humans change too. Even neurotypicals can become monsters in the right circumstances. Interestingly, it's not just childhood abuse and abandonment that sets neurotypicals off but (wait for it) -- power and the sense of moral superiority, inter alia, to which it leads. From the Wall Street Journal:
Psychologists refer to this as the paradox of power. The very traits that helped leaders accumulate control in the first place all but disappear once they rise to power. Instead of being polite, honest and outgoing, they become impulsive, reckless and rude. In some cases, these new habits can help a leader be more decisive and single-minded, or more likely to make choices that will be profitable regardless of their popularity. One recent study found that overconfident CEOs were more likely to pursue innovation and take their companies in new technological directions. Unchecked, however, these instincts can lead to a big fall.

But first, the good news.

A few years ago, Dacher Keltner, a psychologist at the University of California, Berkeley, began interviewing freshmen at a large dorm on the Berkeley campus. He gave them free pizza and a survey, which asked them to provide their first impressions of every other student in the dorm. Mr. Keltner returned at the end of the school year with the same survey and more free pizza. According to the survey, the students at the top of the social hierarchy—they were the most "powerful" and respected—were also the most considerate and outgoing, and scored highest on measures of agreeableness and extroversion. In other words, the nice guys finished first.

This result isn't unique to Berkeley undergrads. Other studies have found similar results in the military, corporations and politics. "People give authority to people that they genuinely like," says Mr. Keltner.

Of course, these scientific findings contradict the cliché of power, which is that the only way to rise to the top is to engage in self-serving and morally dubious behavior. In "The Prince," a treatise on the art of politics, the 16th century Italian philosopher Niccolo Machiavelli insisted that compassion got in the way of eminence. If a leader has to choose between being feared or being loved, Machiavelli insisted that the leader should always go with fear. Love is overrated.

That may not be the best advice. Another study conducted by Mr. Keltner and Cameron Anderson, a professor at the Haas School of Business, measured "Machiavellian" tendencies, such as the willingness to spread malicious gossip, in a group of sorority sisters. It turned out that the Machiavellian sorority members were quickly identified by the group and isolated. Nobody liked them, and so they never became powerful.
I feel like every high-functioning sociopath realizes this and either acts genuinely friendly, or is very stealthy about hiding any malicious intentions. It continues:
Now for the bad news, which concerns what happens when all those nice guys actually get in power. While a little compassion might help us climb the social ladder, once we're at the top we end up morphing into a very different kind of beast.

"It's an incredibly consistent effect," Mr. Keltner says. "When you give people power, they basically start acting like fools. They flirt inappropriately, tease in a hostile fashion, and become totally impulsive." Mr. Keltner compares the feeling of power to brain damage, noting that people with lots of authority tend to behave like neurological patients with a damaged orbito-frontal lobe, a brain area that's crucial for empathy and decision-making. Even the most virtuous people can be undone by the corner office.

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Although people almost always know the right thing to do—cheating is wrong—their sense of power makes it easier to rationalize away the ethical lapse. For instance, when the psychologists asked the subjects (in both low- and high-power conditions) how they would judge an individual who drove too fast when late for an appointment, people in the high-power group consistently said it was worse when others committed those crimes than when they did themselves. In other words, the feeling of eminence led people to conclude that they had a good reason for speeding—they're important people, with important things to do—but that everyone else should follow the posted signs.

[E]ven fleeting feelings of power can dramatically change the way people respond to information. Instead of analyzing the strength of the argument, those with authority focus on whether or not the argument confirms what they already believe. If it doesn't, then the facts are conveniently ignored.
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[P]eople in power tend to reliably overestimate their moral virtue, which leads them to stifle oversight.
Hypothesis: neurotypicals are currently in power as a mob/group. They are easily corrupted by that power in ways that make them behave more like sociopaths, but unlike sociopaths they unquestioningly assume that they are always acting for the good of humanity because they are "good people," whereas sociopaths can never do "good" because they are "bad people".

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  1. Wow. This is a loaded blog/article, and it touches on subject matter I've been trying to figure out for two years. But at the end of the day, for the people involved with these men, what made them that way is irrelevant.

    It's time for me to go back to humanity.

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  2. Niccolo Machiavelli insisted that compassion got in the way of eminence. If a leader has to choose between being feared or being loved, Machiavelli insisted that the leader should always go with fear. Love is overrated.

    If I remember my Prince correctly, Machiavelli was referring to leaders who have already gained power, not those who are on their way up. Of course it makes sense to appear friendly, kind and even compassionate on occasion in the pursuit of power. It greases the wheels, so to speak. I think of it as politeness, which I generally try to be IRL. I take pride in my politeness. You are a fool if rudeness is your habitual behavioral pattern. I have seen what happens to people who repeatedly rub others the wrong way. It’s unintelligent. What has worked for me is to treat people well in general while lashing out at those who disrespect me, but only doing so rarely. I discovered that this instills fear without pushing people over into hate. I have only had to lash out verbally a handful of times, spread out over the last 6 years and it has worked like a charm in my work environment. The path of politeness is practical. It works.

    Having said that, I do think there is a place for subterfuge, manipulation and even ruthlessness in one’s quest for greater power, depending on the particulars of the game you are playing. To my way of thinking, one’s strategy has as much to do with one’s abilities and natural temperament as it does anything else. As M.E. implied in another post, playing nice ALL THE TIME is not sustainable, especially for people like myself. It would be like a homosexual trying to convince himself that he’s straight. It just doesn’t work long term. But being an asshole ALL THE TIME is not sustainable either. Better to mix and match your strategy to fit the occasion, being careful to mask the less than savory tactics you employ while subtly airing your socially approved (acts of kindness, decency, and so on) actions. Making a show of moral outrage can also be helpful too.

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    2. VEGITOPATH MADLY IN LOVE WITH MONICA AND UKANSeptember 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM

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  3. One more thing. Going back to the part of the post I quoted, the only time compassion gets in the way is if you really believe in it, for its own sake. Strategic acts of compassion are fine, advisable even. Compassion as a value however, can distort one’s vision. This distortion in turn can lead to maladaptive and ultimately unprofitable actions.

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    1. unless "the meaning of life" is ultimately about more than self interest. The choice to engage in well thought out self sacrifice that ultimately benefits a cause greater than yourself is never undermined by the value of compassion.

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  4. It's long been said, "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar".

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  5. Daniel, I like your insights and cunning ways. Any chance you would be up to "mentoring" me in my first attempt at ruin and destruction?

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  6. Daniel, I think we were just in a relationship. Did you leave anyone high and dry lately?

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  7. Power doesn't corrupt, power makes you free.

    Weakness is what corrupts. The more weaknesses you have the easier it is to corrupt you. And if you have no power you'll ultimately serve whoever does.

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  8. As far as being nice or mean, there are people who deserve to be treated bad at certain times. It's a matter of who it is, the timing of it, the methods. It is a recognized fact that you cannot be nice to everybody all the time and be respected.

    As for power, most people give power to the people who can handle responsibility. To have power is to have responsibility for and over other peoples lives. It means that if something goes wrong you are to blame because you are the general and they were just following your orders. You have to accept all responsibility for their actions and to have power is to be more of a mentor, parent, or a director, a sort of team leader, but it's not to be a person who has power only to abuse it.

    The way to determine if power will drive a person insane is to give them a drop of power and see how and in which way they smear that drop. If they properly apply this drop then give them another more substantial drop.

    I think empath and sociopath have different capabilities so you cannot put them in charge of the same sort of things. In some situations you'd be better off with the empath in charge as a sociopath just wouldn't be fit for the responsibility in any situation. In other cases the nature of the job makes it difficult for an empath and you might want a sociopath for that.

    It's never one sized fits all as different empaths and different sociopaths have different capabilities.

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  9. As for power, most people give power to the people who can handle responsibility... You have to accept all responsibility for their actions and to have power is to be more of a mentor, parent, or a director, a sort of team leader, but it's not to be a person who has power only to abuse it.

    Really? That’s a moralistic way of stating it. You could say that sometimes power is given to those who appear to be able to handle responsibility. It’s just as often the case that power is given to those who can give a minority but influential constituency what it wants, regardless of how it impacts a majority. Also, you don’t have to accept anything, responsibility (accountability) included. You don’t have to do anything but die. Finally, sometimes and for some people, power isn’t about playing the role of mentor as much as it is about playing tin pot dictator and there are many examples of people “abusing” power.

    The rest of your comments are equally idealistic (read implausible) sounding. The world doesn’t give a damn about our shoulds. It is what it is. The fact is, sometimes people aren’t given power, they take it. They take it because most humans are internally weak, blinded by a combination of emotion and unexamined beliefs and tradition, and just want to live their lives in relative peace, regardless of who is running the show.

    I’m not “correcting” you SL or attempting to start an argument. I was in the mood so I decided to balance your comments out with my own, that’s all.

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    1. It’s just as often the case that power is given to those who can give a minority but influential constituency what it wants, regardless of how it impacts a majority.

      That's why I call them servants. ...

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  10. openminded said, "Daniel, I think we were just in a relationship. Did you leave anyone high and dry lately?"

    Lately, no. ;-)

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  11. People give up their control easily. Their guided by insecurities and dependencies. You use their insecurities to build a emotional dependency upon you, so that their emotionally dependent. Not to mention people with vices as dependencies: Gambling, prostitution, drugs, etc.
    As soon as you start talking to them their telling you just how to exploit them. Death in the family, just got out of a abusive relationship, ran into a inheritance, got cheated on, lost my job, love las vegas, used to be a heroine addict, born again christian, going to meetings, etc......
    Power is easy because you can count on the majority of people to talk aimlessly away about their lives. For those who listen and aim their conversations towards their own goals its easy to figure someone out and get what you want.

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  13. Ukan,
    What's to gain from having someone who lost their job; or someone who is an addict or alcoholic; or someone has a gambling addiction, dependent on you?

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  14. For you obviously nothing

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  15. Can'T believe I haven't said anything stupid here

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  16. Daniel Birdick that is sometimes the case but I think in todays environment with the constant surveillance and the fact that everything someone does is ultimately going to be attributed back to them at some point in time, the way Hilter took power probably wouldn't work in this environment because he wouldn't be able to hide the fact that he is Hitler.

    Morals and ideals have nothing to do with who takes power. It's more that you must appear to have morals and ideals to be "given" power. If you can figure out how to take it or if the people really are that weak then the power was already yours to begin with.

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  17. SL, I agree. One minor quibble though: you are giving people too much credit. You forget that Mein Kampf, which was a clear statement of Hitler’s anti-semitism (if not, as some argue, a statement of his genocidal intentions) was published in the mid 1920’s, before he became Chancellor. The book was apparently quite popular too. Hitler never hid his philosophy from the German public, yet they voted him in anyway. Another example is Americans voting in Bill Clinton back in 92, knowing full well that he was a philanderer, liar and draft dodger. My point is “the people” do not care nearly as much as they claim to about their precious morality. They will give power to whomever they believe will satisfy their desires, then justify their choice with after the fact moralizing. Why then should a would be future leader worry all that much about surveillance when all he needs do is effectively promise the masses “bread and circuses”?

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    1. My point is "the people" do not care nearly as much

      Would I be completely misguided, if I read moral indignation into this in the Clinton context? Is there a basic amount of spite hovering over these lines?

      philanderer, liar and draft dodger.

      Why should anyone care how someone else satisfies his sexual desires? I find it hard to perceive Levinsky as a victim in this scenario. Must/should I?

      On the other hand I am not completely sure, if I like his invention of humanitarian wars, which may be of more importance. Feels like a new "new market" after the cold war, just as the WWT, or "system change" now. Somewhat. I would have a Condi Rice quote to back that up. But admittedly I only got interested when I witnessed the obviously deceptive posturings around the war drums of "operation horseshoe" in Kosovo.

      Back to special interest servants? I know, I shouldn't be as skeptic considering this specific issue? Maybe too many Hitler-doubles-rhetoric lately? Too often Munich again?

      I assume you understand the larger historical context of the "popularity" of Hitler's my Kampf? After he could, Hitler ordered its vide distribution for free. Unfortunately, I think not even then too many actually read it. He also never paid a penny of taxes on his income for the free distribution.

      Mind you, yes in WWII the US fought the good war. But I would have no problems at all if someone dodged military service in something like the Iraq war.

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  18. i wander if ppl that Always delete their posts feel like deleting them even more (all) with all these reruns)

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    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spHEw2n9LwE

      a quick and compelling cinematic expression of the maxim "power corrupts... absolute power corrupts absolutely"

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  20. Please tell me what when wrong. With all the wonderful contributions
    I made to this blog I assumed that my opinions were welcome-or at lest
    tolorated. With my empathic nature I wouldn't hurt a flea. That's more
    then I can say for you cold hearted folk.
    I so wanted M.E. to suceed. I bore her no ill will whatever. I knew it
    was inevitable given my track record of past failure and astrological
    placements in my chart that people would be rude to me. I fully
    expected it. But some of these techniques were positively childish.
    You sociopaths (While attractive on the outside) make this an ugly
    world. Just like Hill House. I'll be on my way and not trouble you with
    my opinions any firther. Lovefraud was right. With my departure it can
    be as boring as it was before. Good-bye.

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    1. don't be so heartless!!!

      You shouldn't punish us in this way. Remember, ME needs your empathy to prosper.

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    2. Ciao bella. Don't let the door slam against your thin-skinned ass on your way out the door, whiner. :D

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    3. Do you remember Norman Bate's "mother" at the end of Psycho insisting "I wouldn't hurt a fly?" I wonder if her astrological charts also indicated that people would be rude to her.


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    4. ...Lost my respect for intelligent conversation at:

      "I knew it was inevitable given my track record of past failure and astrological placements in my chart that people would be rude to me."

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      Machavallianempath...It was certainly the indication given the way she structured her sentence, ha

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  21. Morality is an implicit but contractual code of conduct for polite society, to define its impact practically. Power makes its own laws and doesn't behave the way people think it ought to.

    I know you want to frame the initial post in the context of the blog's topic, but I think doing so misses a fundamental element of the discussion.

    "In theory, there's nothing different between theory and practice." Often the theory misses variables which affect the outcome. My personal experience is that people in power do not behave like sociopaths or any other typical diagnosis. There is a very specific pattern to their behavior, and rather than sociopathy I've found it more resembles intoxication and addiction.

    One reason is that people in power are expected to display, in speech and action, the character of whatever their office is. The 'truth' becomes subordinate to maintaining this character, as failure to do so will result in them being stripped of their power. Those same people that elevated an individual to power based on his charismatic qualities will strip it away again if they don't feel he /represents/ what they wish they could be. The paradox of power is that the audience is cruel and fickle, and what you have could easily be taken away from you if the tide turns against you.

    In order to keep public opinion, then, it is necessary to convince everyone that you /are/ powerful, and flaunting the rules that everyone else lives by is one of the most dramatic assertions of power. So the 'immoral' behaviors, the ones asserting their power over the world, are actually necessary if they want people to continue to grant that power unto them.

    The reason that the observed behavior is consistent is because it is addictive, and addictive behaviors always follow very specific cycles in which a soft 'alter ego' of sorts is created which, in the grip of the addiction, is better equipped and able to do what is necessary to satisfy the newfound craving.

    Simply put, power is /not/ a moral issue, as much as people would like to frame it that way. Nor is it an issue of the spirit. It is a social intoxicant.

    Being able to get what you want from others is something that many, many people crave. Taken from another angle, it's Machiavellian power politics and ought to be condemned. It depends on where your vantage is. Are you the one freed by power, or are you the one who watches, helpless, while other people wield their power to change the world in ways that benefit them and injure you?

    Having people sing your accolades while throwing money and roses at your feet... it's not hard to convince yourself that you might be special. Most people desperately want to believe that anyway, and given a little proof they'll do anything to keep the buzz going. This is the trap that the majority of 'addictive' behaviors fall into, above and beyond the behaviors required just to keep power in the first place.

    Not every person that drinks heavily becomes an alcoholic, but all alcoholics are heavy drinkers. And so with power. It's rare to hear about those who are responsible with their power, but everyone remembers the ones who abused it.

    To bring my discussion back to sociopaths, it's the difference between drinking from a young age and knowing how to hold your alcohol, compared to never having a drop in your life and then getting hammered every weekend. Put someone that's been drinking since late adolescence behind a bar and they're more likely to mix the correct drinks and not get drunk off the bottom shelf booze than a frat boy living up the college life. But as the US economy is a wonderful example of right now, humans /really/ suck at sorting candidates for positions (public and private). Why should politics be any different?

    Also, goddamn. I am impressed at how consistent Godwin's Law is.

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  22. "If a leader has to choose between being feared or being loved, Machiavelli insisted that the leader should always go with fear. Love is overrated."

    ^This is dead wrong- especially for a woman in a position of leadership.

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  23. Look, it all comes down to what sociopaths want most in life. This, to help relieve, however temporary, their conscience/empathy empty life boredom problem.
    What is that?

    They want to coax/encourage/make people, perhaps neurotypicals, consider things, and, do things they would not normally do. They want to affect people and enjoy the resulting problems and chaos and whatever other effects may occur. End of the day, it's like a cat playing with a mouse. Whether it's blowing up frogs, or, trying to convince NTs that they are just like S's, they are looking for the bleach/ammonia reaction. It's fun for them.

    I wonder though if there will in time be a sociopath purge (if we don't end first in nuclear war or economic collapse anarchy/war). Lets say we discover without use of expensive imaging equipment strong markers indicating such a profound consciousness difference, those without human connection. Will sociopaths be separated or killed even if they have done nothing? At least, nothing known? Or what if they have done nothing and lets pretend they never would. Could "decent" people decide to cull them all? To not have pity on them? Could we get wholesale "evil" on them?

    Hell

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    1. Your last paragraph is seriously disturbing. Are you implying it's the way to go? You seem to think that being a sociopath is a yes/no situation. Do you feel that all people with Aspergers are the same? I bet not. So why the binary thinking on individuals with sociopathic traits?

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    2. Hi Machavellianempath

      There is no real spectrum with sociopathy is there?
      What makes a sociopath a sociopath? When does one go from being an asshole to being a sociopath? Sociopath is different in this respect no?

      Is it just less empathy combined with less conscience and all the other lovely things? No. It's manipulation for manipulations sake. It is "moral" insanity. Well put long ago.

      Aspergers? Not all the same but even the most aspergerish asperger person is not out to undermine your very being.





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    3. Aspie:

      I have to disagree on there not being a spectrum...it may not have a stamp of approved existence by the DSM, but then neither does Asperger's anymore.

      It's also little presumptuous to state ALL sociopaths just want to "undermine your very being" and manipulate for manipulation's sake (how would you know) and thus deserve to be...what? Destroyed??

      I'm sure you'd aggressively disagree should anyone say that about an autistic such as yourself.

      ...You would do good to remember that beings are never so black and white, not even sociopaths.

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    4. hi skype

      the DSM aside,

      i don't think i said that all "S" want to undermine your being (though that may likely be true) and i don't think i said they deserve to be destroyed (just would we do it?), i was just asking questions

      however, sociopaths, by def, don't have good effect on people... they lie, steal, seduce etc, clearly, open a psychology book to the chapter "sociopathy/psychopathy"

      people do say that about autistics, i try not to get into a tizzy about it personally, people talk and have opinions

      but even the whitest or grayest of sociopaths are still lying manipulating dangerous people especially for some folk




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    5. Aspie:

      You did imply it though...perhaps more qualifiers may be helpful in the future. (Mere suggestion.)

      Empaths do those things (lie, steal, seduce, etc) too just for more "nobel" reasons or with more rationalizing...which was rather the point of this post. Everyone, given the proper circumstance (in this post, power specifically), can be a monster so why only finger the sociopaths as "bad" or "evil"?

      I will agree though, to some folk - like the weak or easily manipulated - a sociopath can be terribly dangerous...of course a stronger empath can be just as dangerous to them if you ask me. And a weak "follower" type can also dangerous whether suddenly given power or under the influence of some of those stronger personalties.

      ...Trust no one is, ha, basically what I'm saying.

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    6. I don't know i still didn't think i said all do though they may. NTs do it for necessarily nobel reasons.. but they do have "real" reasons. They didn't do it to fuck with your head perhaps. To see what can happen. A type of managed insanity. Can you see the difference there? Forget what any psychopath told you in the past.

      A stronger empath can be more dangerous? This is outright laughable. What, is the emapth going to steal your funds while telling you that they love you? Oh, they are going to do worse than that right?

      No, you are smoking a bad batch of crack if you think a strong empath and a mildly mannered sociopath are on the same page, sorry if I expressed myself bluntly

      this trust no one makes the perfect fun environment for the S playground... because once you get a non truster to trust, and then lay the slow smack down, fireworks baby

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    7. You give empaths far too much credit for being good, justified, people and perhaps, sociopaths far too much for the unpleasantness in the world. There are more empaths than sociopaths so odds are you're dealing with an (albeit mean or disturbed) empath when you have an unpleasant experience...even a cruel, sadistic, one.

      Yes, it does...but only if you fold and start to trust, ha

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    8. anyone can be bad, sociopaths are just bad from the getgo and spreading their influence

      even it you don't fold, you have to hold up you see
      you can win and lose at the same time

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    9. sorry i called you skype, Skye!


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  24. Let's give power to those that inherently don't like to have it. Yes, like me. I hate it. I don't care how anyone runs their life outside my own and those with me. I trust none of you, really. I don't expect to be trusted all that much, either. Pure ambivalence. The power over others is some responsibility I want little association with. People are quick to blame others for their problems, so removing myself as a factor removes much of that foolishness. I don't even have a moment's fleeting amusement at the thought of power over another person. Those easily manipulated and controlled for amusement only reaffirms they really are too weak or stupid to be of interest. Don't fuck with the smooth day-to-day of life and there will be no need to fuck with yours back. There's the line, don't cross it. Is this so hard to understand?

    But yeah, give me the power. I would feel happier if no one had it, but I will gladly keep it away from the rest. I would be a little more content with having the power of delegating that power, than the power itself, I think.

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    1. do you think you might use it occasionally?

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    2. Not likely. It's sort of like those day dreams of winning the lottery. I don't deal with those sorts of numbers in my financial life, nor really care or expect to. I don't crave much besides reciprocation of treatment. The power could be intoxicating to contemplate, but the reality of it is a lesson learned in history. Upon a certain scale, the increase of power will likely carry with it a proportionate amount of responsibility, expectation, and magnitude of consequence should anything disrupt this. Does anyone believably think they will be immortal and escape the clutches of death? I just see it as an enormous way to complicate life that can be entirely unnecessary for the time we are able to spend on earth. I don't suffer from the impulses that are said to be characteristics of sociopathy. I've made impulsive purchases, but I am chronically anti-risk. Make whatever arguments you want about how life would be great and everything would be smooth or whatever. All I see is a genie in a bottle and I'm not going to be some idiot and rub it for wishes. Pulling it off would require someone that loves micro-management and the rough challenge of not only obtaining power, but then on how they must keep it. I'd easily give that to someone else to endure. Hot potato.

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  25. what if you could use the "power" to help you in some gentle way, or maybe even in some definite way, you could easily get something done with it, and without it, it will be much work and uncertain, no forseeable life ruin'in or such to happen

    could you use the power for your own good as long as it didn't hurt others, or hurt them much as far as you could see?

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    1. personally i think i probably would use any extra special powers given me to help me, i think i would not do "evil", there would probably be a war/conflict with myself at times i imagine, as i argued what is right or not, i think though i would use power/magic/extra to help myself and my interests

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    2. Too many vagaries and too many variables. We can speculate forever. No one has any obligation to believe what anyone else says, here or anywhere. A continuity of consistency needs to be used to have any comment be meaningful. We must say what kind of power, the way it can be used, and establish a baseline. Otherwise it is all castles made in the sand. We get and use power of all sorts everyday. Some we see, some we don't. Some we want and don't have. Some we have but might not want. If I had the power to fulfill all my wishes with no negative feedback, you could sign me up any time. But what is negative feedback to me? What am I willing to endure to get what I want? I do not want to take on responsibility for other people. I want to keep the same range of freedoms I currently enjoy. I want the same laws I abide by to apply to others and offer me the same protections. I do not want to have more expecation put upon me than I am willing to apply to others. If power gives me all this, then I already have all the power I care about. I may wish to never die and have any object I see whenever I want, but it is infantile gratification. All I really would wish I had the power to do beyond all this is to turn everyone into not-an-idiot. Maybe. I do not care about it that much.

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    3. Come to think of it, and if I am truly going to be honest, I think the only type of power I would want is knowledge. I want to know the truth about anything and everything. I want all the secrets. It would be purely for the sake of knowing, but that is the kind of power that could really police itself, were one simply to see the truly most beneficial and benign way to use it. Ask what is the most good I could do right now, and have the answer.

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  26. andy gibb

    love is:

    love


    Love is, higher than a mountain
    Love is thicker than water
    You are this dreamers only dream
    Heaven's angel , devil's daughter

    Say, my mind , should I go with her on silent nights
    She'll drive me crazy in the end
    And I should leave this paradise
    But I can't leave her
    while I need her more then she needs you
    That's what I'm living for

    Love is , higher than a mountain
    Love is , thicker than water
    You are this dreamers only dream
    Heaven's angel , devil's daughter

    (break)

    Say my thought, should I find out she don't care at all
    She'll leave me crying in the end
    Wandering through the afterglow
    But I can't leave her
    While I need her more then she needs you
    That's what I'm praying for

    Love is , higher than a mountain
    Love is , thicker than water
    You are this dreamers only dream
    Heaven's angel , devil's daughter

    Love is , higher than a mountain
    Love is , thicker than water
    You are this dreamers only dream
    Heaven's angel , devil's daughter

    (break)

    La ....

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  27. Actually, Machiavelli was quite clear that, whenever possible, a leader must APPEAR to be good, but covertly operate under different rules entirely. He explained the necessity of managing public relations quite well.

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  29. Hello M.E. Just wanted to say that this is a delightfully insightful post. I enjoy reading your work very much. As an NT or EM (whatever, I've yet to find a box that truly fits) it's amusing and often comforting to discover myself beguiled by someone from the other end of the spectrum. Your stance on being who you are and utilizing it for constructive purposes also gives me hope. Thank you!

    You wrote:

    "Hypothesis: neurotypicals are currently in power as a mob/group. They are easily corrupted by that power in ways that make them behave more like sociopaths, but unlike sociopaths they unquestioningly assume that they are always acting for the good of humanity because they are "good people," whereas sociopaths can never do "good" because they are "bad people"

    Your hypothesis is spot on. Far as I can tell power concentrated into a single entity/person or thing always leads to the potential for a tyrannical explosion, a Big Bang of self-entitlement. (Like the alpha wolf who demands and receives the choice bites.) Our culture has also in recent years celebrated narcissism . . . and as you know, gods move further and faster than light. Earthly speed limits do not apply, as in the above example you gave.

    In any case, I wanted you to know that I appreciate you keeping up the blog. I've learned and am learning a lot.

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