Thursday, June 21, 2012

Sociopaths in literature: Interview with the Vampire

I was given Interview with the Vampire by a friend and have been reading it over the past year on airplanes.  I was not surprised to see many parallels between the vampire protagonist and sociopaths.  I thought before I finished the book and discarded it in the seat of my next plane, I might share some passages that I thought were particularly relevant, like this one:


"Babette, the way you speak of her," said the boy. "As if your feeling was special."
  
"Did I give you the impression I could not feel?" asked the vampire.
  
"No, not at all. Obviously you felt for the old man. You stayed to comfort him when you were in danger. And what you felt for young Freniere when Lestat wanted to kill him . . . all this you explained. But I was wondering . . . did you have a special feeling for Babette? Was it feeling for Babette all along that caused you to protect Freniere?"

"You mean love," said the vampire. "Why do you hesitate to say it?"
  
"Because you spoke of detachment," said the boy.
   
"Do you think that angels are detached?" asked the vampire.
  
The boy thought for a moment. "Yes," he said.
  
"But aren't angels capable of love?" asked the vampire. "Don't angels gaze upon the face of God with complete love?"
  
The boy thought for a moment. "Love or adoration," he said.
  
"What is the difference?" asked the vampire thoughtfully. "What is the difference?" It was clearly not a riddle for the boy. He was asking himself. "Angels feel love, and pride . . . the pride of The Fall . . . and hatred. The strong overpowering emotions of detached persons in whom emotion and will are one," he said finally. He stared at the table now, as though he were thinking this over, was not entirely satisfied with it. "I had for Babette . . . a strong feeling. It is not the strongest I've ever known for a human being." He looked up at the boy. "But it was very strong. Babette was to me in her own way an ideal human being. "

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  1. What a crappy article.

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    1. Lovely article. Sometimes some of you sound like the fat little bully feeling powerful but actually looking lame. And completely missing the point. Some of you, sometimes, I enjoy the smartness and honesty around here.

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    2. Insightful article M.E...I enjoyed it

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    3. agreed, it exudes an aura of crappiness.

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    4. I liked it. You're own personal feelings aside, I thought that in a simple, lmost abstract way it can apply loosely to a sociopath. Interesting.

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  2. Argh foiled again! lol!

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  3. WTF anyone else seeing a lot of whited out lines?

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    1. sorry must have been my computer. all good now, but i still think terrible airline movies are better than vampire drivel.

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  4. Hello dear visitors of SW. I was following this for a while and I would like to ask you something.
    How's your masks hanging?
    I put on a show to some people, but ignore others, so the problem is... these people not only talk with each other, but the dull ones are getting suspicious. In addition, I don't like socialising, so pretending to be normal is even more difficult for me.
    Can anyone give some tips or advises what should I do to improve my act? Maybe there is an easy way?xx

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    1. You got to be joking. This is too easy. This is bait.

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    2. Lol "advises" is David. He uses that word.

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    3. Is this the part were we invite you into our cult, share with you all our manipulation techniques and exchange stories of victimisation, rape and beastiality?

      Or would you prefer my private e-mail? so you can look me up on facebook and tell my husband all the naughty things I've been up to)))))))))))).

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    4. I'll be Monica :D
      You have to be a good Johnny with all people to keep your mask on. Try it and you'll probably notice that pretending to be good is much more easier with people you ignore =)
      And maybe you should tailor your mask a little bit.

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    5. I don't forget to suck on them lemons for bonus points ;)

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  5. Just out of curiosity I made a little thought exercise a couple of minutes ago, an excercise I made several times before.

    I was thinking about the persons I was screwing these days, and the anger and powerlessness I saw in their eyes.

    I understand how they feel, disgust, anger, ... towards me. But I was trying to grasp how they would feel. I sit quiet for a couple of minutes and tried to imagine it. I failed.

    It was as if these persons were out of my reach, I couldn't touch them because of the distance between me and them. It was as if I was staring at a cardboard version of them. I found this little introspection exercise fun and interesting.

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    1. Looking at cardboards instead of people is how people really walk around.
      We are all mostly out of reach of each other.
      You can grasp them sometimes if you are not biologically, mentally unable of it (like socios are, I guess). But just sometimes, for a moment of "communion", and absolutetly impossible to grasp anything by intellectually deciding to perform an "exercise".
      I was talking to my shrink the other day about boundaries, empathy etc. She told me that she's writing her phd on depression in mothers of former anorexic girls. Apparently, when you treat the kid and miraculously manage to heal them, the mum usually starts to sabotage the therapy. Because she's given everything to the daughter for several years, time, attentions, baby-care and once she's recovered they feel empty. So they will try to deny the fact that they are better, or they'll feel bad about it, etc. Do you believe these otherwise "normal", empathic women are "grasping" the kid??? They don´t see the person, the can't see the kid, they can´t grasp their new happinness, life, health. They see them as cardboards that used to provide them with something (a sense of power, of mission) and no longer provide them with anything.
      It's VERY difficult for a human being to really care abput something other than himself.
      You can care of people as long as you objectify them and place them as a possesion of yours.
      You see what I mean?

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    2. Perceptive words about the mother. That explains the Mal Narc, perfectly. Great points, in general!

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    3. Does it happen to non-mal Narc, would be my question. Do you consider yourself an empath or a socio, Monica? If you consider yourself an empath, haven't you ever felt that way about someone? Like, "I am supposed to feel happy about you but instead I feel jealous, left-behind or disempowered?" For example, my mum is an absolut empath, and after my depressions she's always felt a bit "disappointed", so to speak. Funny, human neture, isn´t it?

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    4. Totally. I have felt every nasty, jealous and petty thing toward others. My mother took all the bad parts of herself, threw them away from herself, and put them on me. *I* was the personification of all she hated about herself. Then, she could hate me. My dilemma, now, is to realize that everyone has this hateful person inside himself, not just me :P

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    5. Oh Monica, EVERYONE has this hateful person inside himself.
      You'd see me, you'd bet I'm the loveliest person on earth. Not pathetically lovely, "here's your tea" kind of kind. Powerful, pretty, smart and kind. Noble and fragile and cute at the same time. That's how people tend to see me. Well, I actually feel nasty, jealous and petty things almost... all the time.
      But I've never lost the ability of seeing that all around. Seriously, can't you see that? People are lame little creatures, if you achieve to kindly laugh at yourself you'll start to kindly laugh at the rest and then you'll cohabitation with the others will improve.
      Anyway I understand you, I make myself the same question veryday, just me or everyone?
      Then I say to myself: think of a novel, any good novel you've read. Where the characters noble, generous people feeling empathy and love all the time or just egotistic petty semi-monsters as yourself?
      B is the answer. And I still like those characters, so I guess one day I might be able to like myself.

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    6. *were the characters.... (sorry, this is not my mother tongue)

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    7. Wonderful answer Miss Sharp. I think of Victorian novels, when I read your answer. Thanks for your uplifting words. They gave me a boost!

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    8. Funny how idiots claim they are "powerful, beautiful, smart..." in truth they are a ugly and scummy as the fat, smelly fat bitch with yellow teeth, and body odor standing on ukan's corner.

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    9. lol body odor added that je'nais se qua

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    10. Well, funny misspellings like that definitely add a certain je ne sais quoi to this place. ~

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    11. LOL Thanks. I was too lazy to Google it. Shoot me ~

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  6. peter greenaway>all

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  7. How To Heal a PDJune 21, 2012 at 5:12 AM

    The first order of business is that the PD was not your fault. It was an adaptation, such as that you would overuse your shoulder if you lost your leg. It formed from your environment (in the vast majority of cases).

    All blame, toward yourself, should be taken off. You were a true victim in the development of the PD. This one fact can help assuage layers of guilt, self hatred and pain.

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    1. How To Heal a PDJune 21, 2012 at 5:16 AM

      There is a huge difference between a person with a PD and one without. They look the same, obviously(or usually) but there is a great difference in the shifts that have taken place in the person with the PD. That person has shifted such as the land in an earthquake. There is a fault line running through him. That fault line makes him "not human like" His humanity has shifted, in that he is an aberration of a human being. How to get him back is the million dollar question. Isn't it?

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    2. How to Heal a PDJune 21, 2012 at 5:18 AM

      Somehow, the PD has to shift and morph in such a way that IT gets smaller and the original, genuine personality of the individual gets bigger. He needs to be restored back to his pristine state before he got the PD. That is a road map. Road maps are good.

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  8. Just more bullshit. No, sociopaths can only feel a restricted set of emotions, so stop trying to say they don't.

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    1. Hey Finger, you wrote that sociopaths have "vacant eyes", maybe you could explain why? Are emotions somehow related?

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    2. Finger Alterego changed, so it can be done.

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    3. In the common man, you wil can notice emotion around the eyes, even if the rest of the face is still that socios can't fake. Although they will bust a shit eating grin, you look at their eyes, and will see a vacant detachment that doesn't line up with the rest of their face. They really are some ugly piece of shits.

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    4. I think that one person in my workplace might be a sociopath. She's a little bit too good, she is nice, but her eyes are always cold. Ignoring the surface she seems to be off in the inside. But NT's can have this "vacancy" too, right?

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    5. No. NT's have someone inside, ime

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    6. So only sociopaths have vacant eyes? I'm scared now, when I noticed her odd behaviour.

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    7. Mal narcs do, too

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    8. Well it's one more possible problem she has. How can I be sure which one fits her? Or maybe everything is ok with her, I don't know. Can normal people have that look too? I'm so glad I find this blog!

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    9. Not sure if normal people can have it. Normal people who are in shock can have it.

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    10. Why are you "scared" or concerned whether she has a lot of sociopath tenancies or not? [Or the mere cold eye effect that is leading you to assumptions] If you are so concerned, don't open up (i.e personal insecurities) ...or anything for that matter to her and you'll be fine. It's generally more beneficial too for Sociopaths to be nice and do favors because they to gain leverage. So long as you don't make her feel as though you will expose her neurological disorder - IF SHE HAS ONE it won't benefit her to do harm to you. You said she SEEMS nice - what more do you actually want.
      Don't delve beyond her surface and she will leave you alone.
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      What benefit will giving her some (probably) false diagnosis bring you anyway, seriously.

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    11. Meh. I'm sure people would describe me this way. Too good, nice, but with cold eyes. You're looking for skeletons in a closet that might not even exist. Have you considered that maybe she's not interested in being close to people that she doesn't share any substantial interest in? Or maybe she's had trauma in her life that makes her pull back from letting people in? When you've been through so much in your life some people close up, keep a surface facade that works for them, and go back to their life when the day is done without risking letting others in.

      There's a dozen other reasons.

      This is like the 21st century version of a witch hunt.

      Bright Eyes is right. Leave her alone and you won't have anything to fuss about.

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    12. I think she likes me. And I don't know what should I do about it. What if she really is a sociopath?

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    13. Read above statements. Don't DO anything about it. HER life is NOT your business.

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    14. No joke
      This blog gives the best advice.

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    15. I know that it is dangerous to confront a sociopath and I know that I shouldn't get into her life, but as I already mentioned before, she likes me. And, as I heard, there's no such thing as "no" for a sociopath. I ask again - what should I do?

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    16. If she is a sociopath and she "likes" you, then she probably wants something from you. Be polite at work, but don't get involved personally. Common sense.

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    17. That is excactly what I am doing, but I don't want to be used like that.

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    18. A lot posters here seem to not be socio, but just want to know more. Truthfully, never take advice from a socio, as it will ALWAYS be the wrong advice, since socio are "stupider" than the common man, because their brains are wired for retardation.

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    19. True, only a socio should learn from a socio.

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    20. So you are saying that there are some REAL sociopaths out here? I thought this was only an informational blog! Anyway, I really like her, but I'm afraid to love her, because she seems to be a sociopath and I know that people should stay away from sociopaths.

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    21. I am on a computer that is not mine so I must be quick. DO NOT get involved with someone who is a Sociopath or you think is a sociopath. If you do, watch how fast you fall from them being in obsession/in love with you to hating you or being indifferent as soon as you go against them or you have nothing to offer. Just watch how fast your "status" falls. A sociopath cannot be a best friend, nor the love of your life, as they have no conscience and have shallow emotions and have no sense of remorse. Regret, yes, remorse, no.

      And, since you mention it, of course you have a thing for her! She probably mirrors you so you can "feel" how much you identify with eachother..... SEE LINK http://www.sociopathworld.com/2010/04/sociopath-song-of-day-liar.html

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    22. Sociopaths give very good advice, actually as they are not bogged down by petty emotions that trivialize people's thoughts and choices... So things to the are pretty cut and dry assuming the advice is completely unrelated to them, of course... In response to another anonomous user...

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    23. Figures ... The second I can't acsess my blog I can't spell bright correctly and can't edit the username I entered... Hoorah

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    24. Ha ha, Bridget Eyes! I believe that having a sociopath friend is good as long as you have something to offer, or are willing to be manipulated, ime. I changed a few people in a good way, because I wanted them to be like that. Okay, I humiliate, crush my friends, but after that I help them to stand up. I *need* friends and am a cool person to hang out with, so both parties recieve something from a relationship like this.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vkpkvCX8is&feature=related

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    25. Relax and let it happen, baby - I won't do you any permanent harm ~

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    26. I hope you aren't a malignant narcissist under those words. Someone I used to know said that same thing, basically... Ha ha

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    27. There are real socios and fake socio, fake socio should stop wannabeing. Real socios have the complete human half missing, so their advice is blown.

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    28. Well, acording to you, wanabes outsmart sociopaths, because they have normal brain and still do the socio dance, so, who's the fake? :]

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    29. YOU.

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    30. ...Emotional detachment makes their advice blown?! BY GOD - How on EARTH could we all have been so stupid............

      Counselors and therapists etc. have or learn emotional detachment in order to be neutral in "treatment", whatever that is. Back to the point - in being neutral they can clearly asses the situation rather than getting emotions ruling them, if they actually know what they are doing.

      I do believe, and hope, that this was just some bait set up for a reaction, because otherwise this was all quite ridiculous.
      -Bright Eyes

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  9. Interview With the Vampire, eh? How funny that you should bring it up.

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  10. ::sigh:: Vampires aren't sociopaths. That's like saying a lion is a sociopath because it hunts the antelope without caring for it's feelings. Vampires aren't human. Humans are food.

    Humans can appreciate the strength and grace of a buck, but when it comes down to it, the appreciation isn't empathy and it's not going to stop a hungry hunter from making that creature a meal.

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    1. The vamipres in general yes, I agree with your statement.

      M.E pointed out the main parallels s/he was interested in that particular series and I do see where you are coming from, but I recommend you read the series because it is quite interesting - the parallels. =]


      Now if you look at the Twilight Saga *laughs* that is entirely different... Hahaha

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    2. I read Interview a long while ago, it might be worth picking up again. Especially since I haven't read the rest of the series. I heard Anne Rice went all christian eventually. Turn off.


      ::laughs:: Oh goodness. Twilight doesn't even rank as anything beyond a joke haha.

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    3. "Went all Christian." (I found that humorous.)
      Her going all Christian made her books fucking amazing though because she, obviously, heavily integrated her knowledge and opinions of the bible in her work... so I'm confused as to why it would be a turn off.

      I am quite fond of the IDEA of God, myself.

      And thank you! People look at me like I'm nuts when I say that Twilight is just a shitty rip off book! Maybe because I read actual literature that has originality... -sigh-

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    4. Thanks for the thumbs up.

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    5. I actually think vampires are a symbol of sociopathy and that they were designed to evoke sociopaths in society. I think it may have even been subconscious, but the symbols are clear, in my opinion.

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    6. _srM-Kany, why not werewolves? :)

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    7. Mee

      Werewolves are too obvious and outwardly ugly. Society, prefers external beauty

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    8. I wasn't raised christian so I find anything overtly christian to be pretty ludicrous. There's too much need for conversion when people shove it in your face. I can't deal with it and, having read the bible a few times, I don't respect it.

      Yeah I have friends that look at me like I'm crazy when i don't like Twilight either. Sorry, but I can't deal with 1. the atrocity that has been made of a good monster type, and 2. the whiny bitch that's supposed to pass as a shining example of femininity. Ick ick ick.

      Vampires may have turned into a symbol of sociopathy but they didn't originate that way.

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    9. How were they originally?

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    10. Werewolves are cute, imo. Vampires are more of a narcissist type: living in a castle, drinking blood. While werevolves are like regular people most of the time, until they can't deal with their urge (full moon starts to shine and they can't cope anymore or sth.), so they try to do everything to look normal in-between. Well, as I see it, current image of vampires blows. :D

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    11. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire

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    12. Beauty really is in the eye of the beholder lol

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    13. I don't find anything beutiful, but I think that both characters are cool. Logicaly thinking werevolwes are more human than walking corpses. Oh, but yes, current society prefers vampires, aguess. And their image is ruined right now. But that's just mine opinion and I am a person, who disliked the book "Dracula", because he was excepting to read more about the vampire and was annoyed by the stupid vampire food socialising and fear stories.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nuf9LAkMFLw

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    14. I guess my revulsion of the werewolf is that they remind you of that person that is an alcoholic and becomes a monster after attempting to be good for their family but creates havoc and tears the family
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    15. I had never participated in this kind of situation, so I can't say anything and am not affected in any way about it. I can notice a relation a bit, though.
      Have you had a chance to watch "The Wolfman" (2008)? That's one werewolf film I find enterntaining and it creates a better werewolf image :))

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    16. Watched it, loved it but will watch it again. Hopkins is great and a lot of family dynamics in that
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    17. I was thinking the same thing. Will watch it again and pay more attention to family. The best part was then the psychologist was analyzing him and he turned into werewolf. The chase was good too. Well can't remember anything else right now.

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    18. M.E, any articles on werewolves that would relate to
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    19. I think werewolves are sexier than vampires.

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    20. Is everything about sex to you Eden? You with everyone.

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    21. flirt with everyone

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    22. Not everything with me, is as it seems. Believe it or not, it is usually the one I don't flirt with in such an obvious way, that I desire the most. Don't ask me to explain why that is... I don't even know why.

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    23. Eden

      Are you a fake then?

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    24. Why do you ask that? Because I flirt with people I don't even want in a sexual way most of the time? I don't try to be a flirt. It's just an automatic for me. Like people who are naturally optimistic. Does it make me a fake just because it's not sincere always? Maybe. But I'm not doing it with the intention of being deceptive.

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    25. Let's call werewolves bipolar, perhaps.

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    26. Why would you compare werewolves to bipolar?

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    27. Hmm. Who do you not flirt with here that holds your intrigue?

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    28. Normal, average, all month and then they suddenly turn into a ravaging people eating monster... werewolves are women or bipolar... perhaps histrionic? Though I don't know enough about histrionic.

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    29. That's my secret to keep. My fat mouth can be rather genius, Mk. It keeps people distracted from what's really going on in my head.

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    30. Eden, you are still a pervert. Who cares if your flirting can be fake sometimes?

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    31. Remember Lycan? Did he do it for you?

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    32. I'm not trying to say that I'm not perverse. I'm just saying that not all of my flirting is about sex. Even if it seems very perverse and sexual.

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    33. Yes. I remember Lycan. He was the first person to flirt with me in the same manner as I do. He was willing to fight me with knives. haha! I would be lying if I said he didn't do it for me... but I was also suspicious of his flirtation.

      It felt like he was just trying to feel me out, or set me up to be attacked for playing along. As it turns out, he disappeared the moment I was attacked for exactly that, and never came back.

      Interesting that you should bring him up after all this time...

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    34. Besides the reference to werewolves... of course.

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    35. Lol. Eden, you aren't that elusive. You have your mysteries, though.

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    36. It's those mysteries that are at the heart of who I am. Maybe you'll get to see it when we take our little trip. :)

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    37. I became friends with him. He is a great guy--super sexy but great, as a person, too.

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    38. Here's a question for you Mk. Why was I so flirtatious with Sweetcheeks?

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    39. Hm. I don't remember much of sweetcheeks. And I showed up mid relationship.

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    40. Interesting that you say you don't remember much when my "relationship" with her, was the basis for you calling me a sexual predator upon your arrival.

      There are many "elusive" people here, Mk. But not always because there is more to them than the little they let people in on.

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    41. I remember your dynamic with sweet, not your motives. It was right when I got here. And I'd stepped in once or twice before and picked up on your sexual assets. It seemed a blatant trait to me at the time. I was impressed to hear you were experimenting with limiting it for yourself. We went over my sexual weaknesses so when I first popped in it was glaring to me. I understand you and myself better now. But don't think I attribute a nefariousness to you. I just know how your mind works. You function very similarly to my husband. On a base level. I don't understand you "deeply" but I get you and the advantages of elusiveness and mystery.

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    42. Very well. I am satisfied.

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  11. Once you're in His arms, you won't have no fear brother

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  12. Well this blog was disappointing as hell. I thought, for once, I'd have people to talk about the book with that may be fundamentally insane and malicious, but at least ones that I don't know personally. ...

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  13. I want to tell you what you guys mean to me. I never had people stand on my side the way many of you did a few days ago. That gave me courage to face my situation. That gave me self esteem with which to proclaim my value and my worth. It changed me. Thank you <3

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    1. You are welcome, after all you are an interesting thing to study :)

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    2. Things improving for you, Monica? Good news. :)

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    3. Thanks V :D
      Thanks(I think) Mee :)

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  14. To go for it Or not to go for it. Tis the question

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  15. I found your blog because a friend suggested a person I am involved with is a sociopath. I didn't know what the term meant and have spent the last 4 days reading non-stop on the internet about sociopaths. You all are a fascinating group and this blog in particular has been very illuminating. I accused said person of being a sociopath during a text conversation --in a very non- threatening almost joking way-- and he completely ignored my comment and went on with our conversation as if I'd said nothing which makes me think it's probably not the first time he's heard that. Thoughts from the socios? And Eden I thought your comments were particularly interesting. I am the same way in terms of flirting..and I wonder if there's some correlation between people like me and my attraction of this possible socio. I actually don't think he's a true socio-- just has socio tendencies-- but I accept that I really don't know given what expert liars you all are.

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    1. Just now read this comment. I love the name, 'Elizabeth'. It's one of my favorite names.

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    2. He probably ignored the comment because he didn't want to talk about it. Not a fear thing, rather he wanted to steer the conversation a different way to manipulate you in some other area.

      Don't be fooled by the openness on this blog ... the socio in your life will NOT open up to you about what he is or what he's been doing to you.

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    3. Actually, I am starting to think that sociopaths are EASIER to control than empaths. You just give a socio a toy, make him feel enterntained and watch him play ;3

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    4. Pretty much :) The trick is not to be crushed when he gets bored with what you provide and moves on ...

      And how is my favourite socio-puppy today, Mee?

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    5. That is so right!
      Awwwsome as always :D
      how's your day going?

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    6. Distinctly 'meh'. I'm cloistered away reading some very dull reports for work.

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    7. I got bored while reading that, need to take a nap.
      *yawn*
      Well, good luck :)

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    8. Eden you can call me Liz;)

      V It's not that I expected him to open up to me about being a socio. I just thought it was interesting that he didn't respond at all. If someone accused me of being a socio for example I'd be pretty shocked and concerned. I thought it was telling.

      To all the openness on this blog is refreshing. Thanks.

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    9. Ignoring means nothing. Maybe he thought that you are kidding, maybe he missed that message or sth like that. Or maybe he tried to avoid this subject, because he feels very bad about being called a sociopath! Maybe he don't really know what a sociopath means. You have to push him harder.

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    10. But why push since he's not going to admit it anyway? I'm just supposed to run run run right?

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    11. If your smart you will run run run. If, not, you will get what you deserve for staying.

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  16. Socio puppy lol

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