Tuesday, January 31, 2012

Morality pill

My friend sent me a link to this NY Times op-ed titled "Are we ready for a morality pill?" with the instruction "let your followers discuss their impending extermination through pills."  Apart from the obvious Clockwork Orange implications, I thought this was the most controversial part


Why are some people prepared to risk their lives to help a stranger when others won’t even stop to dial an emergency number?


Scientists have been exploring questions like this for decades. In the 1960s and early ’70s, famous experiments by Stanley Milgram and Philip Zimbardo suggested that most of us would, under specific circumstances, voluntarily do great harm to innocent people. During the same period, John Darley and C. Daniel Batson showed that even some seminary students on their way to give a lecture about the parable of the Good Samaritan would, if told that they were running late, walk past a stranger lying moaning beside the path. More recent research has told us a lot about what happens in the brain when people make moral decisions. But are we getting any closer to understanding what drives our moral behavior?


Researchers there took two rats who shared a cage and trapped one of them in a tube that could be opened only from the outside. The free rat usually tried to open the door, eventually succeeding. Even when the free rats could eat up all of a quantity of chocolate before freeing the trapped rat, they mostly preferred to free their cage-mate. The experimenters interpret their findings as demonstrating empathy in rats. But if that is the case, they have also demonstrated that individual rats vary, for only 23 of 30 rats freed their trapped companions.


The causes of the difference in their behavior must lie in the rats themselves. It seems plausible that humans, like rats, are spread along a continuum of readiness to help others. There has been considerable research on abnormal people, like psychopaths, but we need to know more about relatively stable differences (perhaps rooted in our genes) in the great majority of people as well.

Must it?  This may just be an issue of semantics, but I don't think that this is necessarily a question of morality (big surprise).  I think that the fact that there are some very moral people who sometimes do bad things (i.e. Milgram subjects or the Good Samaritan preachers) suggests that it is not really an issue of morality at all, but perhaps of attention.  Sometimes our attention is directed at a "good" behavior and we have an impulse to act. Sometimes we are distracted or our attention is never caught or there is not the impulse. Under my theory, generally moral people are on the lookout for moral things and are willing to act (unless they get distracted or get conflicting cues, like in an experimental setting trying to make them look amoral).  Is this too behavioralist?  Has that all been refuted since I took psychology at university?

And what about mental state?  One thing that most criminal laws and religions have in common is a distinction between a good/bad act and a good/bad mental state.  For instance, many religious people believe that if you do good things and don't have good intentions that is not moral and vice versa.  Similarly, many crimes require a particular bad intent or are mitigated by the lack of a bad intent.

I understand the rationale behind wanting to test morality by observing people's objective actions rather than subjective mental state (not just a "walk the talk" argument but an ease, consistency, and accuracy of measurement motivation), but I think (if my understanding of morality is at all accurate) that a person's level of morality is not merely a sum of a person's actions.  I hope that's not true, at least.

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  1. stop posting blogs ME. Change the format first hunny buns. And I know you're a woman, i have it on good authority.... ;) wink wink.

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  2. I don't equate helping a fellow in your species as a use of morals. I know why it gets compared, but I don't buy it.

    Dr. Newman found out through extensive interviews with Psychopaths that most of them would help people in distress like a reaction. They would either have it, or they wouldn't, and all of them said they had at one time or another. I think helping out your fellow man is on a sliding scale on the level of distress depending on how dramatic the event is. I think people feel bad or uncomfortable not helping naturally, and they have to force themselves to accept these events to numb themselves over time. Just look at kids, they see things so black and white. Why would you deny a natural reaction? Late for work, don't want to miss the bus, whatever it is, its unnatural not to react.

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    1. I've never went out of my way to help another person. I just don't feel bad if I don't. A conscience will give a person feelings of anxiety and guilt if you don't help another.

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    2. TNP, after observing your thoughts a number of times. It's my opinion that you aren't a psychopath. You have lots of empathy and you never struck me as a malicious, or cruel individual. Again, it's no insult, just my observation.

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    3. I don't know why you keep comparing cruelty and psychopathy. Psychopaths may be cruel, but they're not looking to hurt you at every chance they got. What's the point? Some even find hurting people or animals for no reason extremely dull and boring.

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    4. "but they're not looking to hurt you at every chance they got."

      We actually do.

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  3. As social creatures, we evolved to have highly developed levels of empathy to better engage with our fellows. Some people are born without this trait (winkwink), or do not learn it in youth and are usually some degree of autistic, socially awkward, or even has horrible as someone who can become a serial killer (because they literally cannot care about another creature's life).

    Many of us tend to have roughly the same base morals: don't kill others, don't steal, etc. But for instance, my morals tend to border on the intangible...while in some places, such as Iran's new "moral code" that forbids men to wear necklaces constitutes another person's set of morals.

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    1. socially awkward = weird, off, Idk there's something about her/him, I can't exactly pinpoint. Interesting fellow/gal. Hmm I think I'd like to get to know him/better. Maybe we we'll fuck oneday, idk lol.

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  4. Great article ME. No, I am not a brown noser.

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  5. I want a SociopathWorld T-Shirt. I'd wear it to work too.

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    1. ::laughs:: Wow, I just went to the Cafepress site. Some of the SW images are hysterical. Also some of the things you can buy. Doggie T-Shirts! ::dies:: I wonder what kind of revnue ME makes.

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  6. Black shirts arn't cool. they show my dry cum

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    1. Always thinking ahead lol

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  7. You fucking assholes were not supposed to find my new blog site! I wanted fresh new Dexter fans all to myself, so they can marvel at my psychopathic god given traits that make me better than you.

    Now I have to make one in another country.

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  8. Hum.

    The script is running REALLY fucking slow. And causing PC issues.

    FYI

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  9. Did you here in the news ?January 31, 2012 at 5:14 AM

    I think the Ice Truck Killer is loose in Hollywood.

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    2. Hear?

      Yes, more then likely some gay Mexican sex thing. Love hurts... ;)

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  10. It may all just be impulse.

    Everyone talks about impulsive behavior as if it's bad, but it doens't have to be. I've jumped into arguments and defended people that I didn't know before, helped people carry and move shit, or done a million other various nice things for people. I don't think about it most of the time. I just do it, or don't.

    I often baffle my friends because I am randomly helpful with no seeming gain for myself. Sometimes there isn't even that altruistic feeling of "I did something good, yay me" because I do things that annoy me (like watch a friends kid if they have an emergency and I know they can find someone else).

    There's often secondary gain, even if we don't think about it... others seeing what we do and elevating the opinion they hold of us, etc. This doesn't always come into play during impulsive decisions, unless maybe on a subconscious level.

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    1. (like watch a friends kid if they have an emergency and I know they can find someone else)

      Why give someone else the opportunity to search their drawers :)

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    2. I purposefully leave wacky things in my drawers just to confuse people in case they look in them. I have a friend that just opens things randomly all the time, without thinking about it. I put a vibrator in the middle of a drawer once. He stopped opening all my drawers.

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    3. LOL Good one. Did you read what I wrote yesterday, to you, Haven?

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    4. I may have missed it. I'll go back and check.

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    5. There's often another secondary gain:

      It can be an (often subconscious) investment. You want to make sure you are taken care of as well, if the time ever comes. Paying forward your death-bed karma.

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    6. I agree that is certainly a potential investment.

      Not one I really believe in anymore, because it never seems to work out, but I know I have believed this in the past.

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    7. Yeah, the reciprocity tactic doesn't really work on people all that well, especially the empathy-challenged.

      It's also maybe a "what if that were me" kind of impulse, which is not necessarily empathy. The same thing that happens that makes soldiers, who normally aren't saints or extreme empaths, have no second thoughts about dying for their fellow soldier as well as the feeling of intense brotherhood that happens in the trenches.

      It's not so much about the specific person who is suffering, as it is about being confronted directly with the concept, fear, and image of their own death. The suffering person is just a symbol for mortality as a whole, presented in an, often literally, visceral way.

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  11. my life is like a geek tragedy

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    1. You're a virgin living in your moms basement playing video games all day fantasizing about having clear skin?

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  12. frankfurt is forlorn

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  13. Narcissistic BuddhaJanuary 31, 2012 at 6:22 AM

    I am the only one her who can achieve perfect love.

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  14. Themes For SW RegularsJanuary 31, 2012 at 6:37 AM

    Theme Song from SW to Erin/Ami

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K76kGhxHnvk

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  15. MonicaJan 31, 2012 02:36 AM

    @Haven Alice Miller brought the concept of the Enlightened Witness to the fore. I am talking about that concept, in my posts. It seems like nonsense to you, I know. If you are interested, Alice Miller's classic book is "Drama of the Gifted Child". She has a wonderful website, too. If you are not interested, perhaps you could have a modicum of respect for one of the foremost experts in healing childhood abuse. Perhaps, not. In any case, here is the info.




    Here it is Haven. You don't have to comment. I just wanted you to see it.

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    1. I told you I would go back and find it myself. I did.

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  16. @Monica... Alice Miller's conception of an Englightened Witness makes a lot of sense. However your ability to convey this in anything you have posted has been lacking, so it's not surprising that it would be missed.

    This is why I always push the point of self-awareness. A concept of personal enlightenment.

    It makes sense why you would obsess over someone that has grown up knowing pain, inflicted pain, recognized in self-awareness the consequences of their actions and choose to act differently. Being a victim yourself you need someone that has suffered, that has inflicted suffering, and has in essence, seen the err of their ways, so they have the frame of mind to choose not to continue this behavior. It's a cognitive empathy that you want in the socio you fawn over. Though they lack the affective empathy that makes it a complete sentiment and keeps the relationship 'safe'.

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    1. Though they lack the affective empathy that makes it a complete sentiment and keeps the relationship 'safe'.

      If you want requited love badly enough this won't be on your menu anymore.

      I think once you've had a taste of the real thing, you don't settle for less.

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    2. Being a victim yourself you need someone that has suffered, that has inflicted suffering, and has in essence, seen the err of their ways, so they have the frame of mind to choose not to continue this behavior. It's a cognitive empathy that you want in the socio you fawn over. Though they lack the affective empathy that makes it a complete sentiment and keeps the relationship 'safe'.

      Yes, agreed, very well put. It's that whole thing were you subconsciously seek to rewrite history in order to change the ending, to have some amount of control over something you previously didn't, but it doesn't work because you still operate within that all-pervasive paradigm your history has already set you up with, and I'd even go so far as to say that the fact you are even trying to revision your history is in fact a result of being unable to escape it and truly grow.

      So, in effect, the attempt to rewrite history ironically just causes you to repeat it verbatim, with the same ending.

      (My 'you' here, is, of course, rhetorical)

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  17. @ Haven I am mot expressing myself, well. Once in a blue moon, one can find an Enlightened Witness. When that happens, someone can truly heal, per Alice Miller. I agree.

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    1. Monica, you have such a fantastical, romantic view of things.

      I think what Haven is trying to point out, and what you dont seem to be getting, is that a socio cant be your Enlightened Witness. By definition, they cannot empathize with your pain.

      Get a fucking shrink, Monica. Or just keep letting your socio friend rewire your brain however she sees fit. If shes real. If you're real.

      I bet if you told Alice Miller that your enlightened witness was a socio shed tell you to get thee to a therapist. Just the fact that you think that way illustrates how delusional you really are.

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    2. I doubt any of you lovely ladies have read Alice Miller.

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    4. Rephrase: I doubt I need to look towards someone else to find personal enlightenment.

      Other people will always let you down in some way. The only way to find enlightenment of the Self is to look inwards, not outwards towards others. You have to look at yourself, increase your self-awareness, and accept who you are. Not grasp for acceptance from others.

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    5. I have that book on my shelf for 18 years and have not read it. Here is what is in the cover:
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      Bella --

      I just want you to know that your love and affection and support has meant so much ("so" and "much" are underlined) to me over these past few years.
      And especially because you've allowed and encouraged the "real me" to come out. Thank you so much, Bella, I love you.

      P.S. I didn't read this damn book until 5 years after someone suggested it.
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      There, Monica. Are you happy? I am loved. I think I read the first few pages and put it down all those years ago. And only since it has the word "gifted" and "child" lol in the title, I will open it again. All for you baby. Anything for my Monny. Are you happy and will you stop harping on the genius, gifted capability of Alice Miller now?

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    6. I read it while I was in college upon the recommendation of my best friend, Monica.

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    7. Medusa:


      Avon Skin So Soft body oil: Jewish or no?

      Neutrogena Sesame Seed: same question

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    8. Anon: The Avon is Jewish when used as a bug repellent. Or if you've had a bottle in your closet for 30 years.

      The Neutrogena, no. Unless you are a mega-rich male, and even then, it's never left on the bathroom counter.

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    9. Very well said, Haven.

      Monica, if you could put aside that mindwarping Christianity a minute and add some dimensions to your thought processes, you should.

      The problem with Christianity is that it reinforces that seeking outside yourself mentality. Go Eastern, Monica. You will be better off. You can still love your Invisible Friend, but you need to learn some self reliance/ awareness. Wont get that through seeking outside.

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  18. One of the best/moral Humans I have had the pleasure of sharing my life with, would have been 99 today.

    No other such human exists in my life...

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    1. You killed that person, didn't you !!

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    2. TCO isnt Norman Bates, anon.

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    3. lmao ;) better looking, longer hair.

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    4. Sorry, I should have said .:.TCO::. ;) Hopefully not as skinny as poor Norman.

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  19. Thems for SW RegularsJanuary 31, 2012 at 8:42 AM

    Raven in mania

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrh4b4u70ms

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  20. Most people are just too distracted by their own mundane existance or just too lazy to be 'moral'. Thats why we have so many Christians who talk a good game, but fail to practice what they preach. The human condition is to struggle with self vs society. Obviously, its not as much of a struggle if you dont give a fuck, but for non-socios, even atheists, there is usually a desire to be 'moral', but it is mans normal state to fall short. Its not good or bad, it just is.

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    1. This comment made me want to lick your cunt. May I ??

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    2. Sarah, you have one of the most solid views of psychopathy on this blog. I think you "get" psychopathy.

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    3. You gonna lick my pixel cunt with your pixel tongue? Sure. Just as long as the orgasm doesnt give me BSD Im fine with it.

      I dont know if I 'get' psychopathy, but thanks.

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    4. 'Lazy' is a really good way to put it.

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    5. Not that thats a bad thing, either, Medusa. It just is. I can be lazy as fuck. I know it. Everything in moderation, though. Finding the balance is the key.

      And while I have and do go out of my way to help others, there is always a pay off, even if its just a momentary ego boost. Thats not to say I am hypervigilant looking for opportunities to display my moral love for my fellow man lol. When they fall into my lap, I take em. And I do have a lot of crisis training to be useful. But like someone else said, it is impulsive usually. Im not debating a moral dilemma. I just act. Usually somewhat dissociatively. I dont feel anything, or I would probably be afraid to get harmed myself.

      I do little 'selfless' gestures for others as a way to cultivate my image. Trustworthiness is easily conveyed that way. Not all the time, though. Im too lazy ;)

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  21. HI Chosen How you doing, Cutie?

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    1. You fit your Theme Song, TCO. Crazy Cool by Paula Abdul ;)

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  22. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JylAl8Rho2A

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  23. Helping people is easy. How often are you doing shit that genuinely matters? It's a mildly amusing detour. I'd be more likely to help someone if I had a meeting or something I had to be at, because it's a great excuse depending on your audience. The few times I have "saved" people in life threatening situations I was just doing dumb shit like swimming or some other hobby.

    As a kid some other kid didn't know how to swim and stepped to the side at a beach. I just casually went over and plucked him out. I didn't get why people were all worked up over it. They were more worked up than the kid who went right back to swimming with me shortly after. I never heard the end of that shit.

    I work good on impulse. My impulses aren't mediated by thought or emotion. It probably helps that I am entirely void of emotional feelings while acting on impulse. It even voids anxiety. I've always seen it as a strength. If something bad is happening you want me there. I remain calm and have no inhibitions when it comes to resolving the situation.

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    1. It's funny how that works. People who do the 'hero' stuff always say stuff like, "I'm not a hero," or, "I'm just doing my job." Soldiers die for others and risk their life without requiring the accompanying emotions of fear or panic; somehow they bypass that. Or like those feel-good news stories about how a two year old called 911 when their grandmother had fallen, and couldn't get up, the kids always have a sort of "Whatever, what's the big deal?" attitude, like they were just doing the obvious thing.

      It's always everyone else who makes a deal out of it, the people who didn't do the saving, the dying. Sure, it could be false modesty or false humility, but I'm willing to bet that's a small minority. The people who are the most afraid of their own mortality as well as their own moral hypocrisy, to the point where they are paralyzed to actually help, seem to be the ones who are the most effected.

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    2. "Soldiers die for others and risk their life without requiring the accompanying emotions of fear or panic; somehow they bypass that."

      Its not somehow. It is very deliberate. Recruits are placed under extreme stress during basic training so that they learn dissociation, if it wasnt already hardwired there to begin with. The rewiring is done very purposefully and of course there is further training depending upon your duties. Specific.

      Just like martial arts or learning anything. The mind is malleable. People can be conditioned to respond to things in set ways.

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    3. On my tours in the Afghan sand box.... my non socio buddies were very scared, full of fear, and many signs of emotions. Supressing them is something different. There is no bypassing anyhting. To say otherwise is pure ignorance.

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    4. I am aware of the stuff you are talking about, Sarah, and I completely agree, but I think that's only part of the story, and only one of many options/influences/reasons. It can't be explained away by merely calling it 'mind-control'. Hell, I think perhaps what I'm talking about informs what you're talking about in a way, and vice versa, which is why military training can be very similar in technique to spiritual training, because they both have the same goals and use the same mental stuff.

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    5. my non socio buddies were very scared, full of fear, and many signs of emotions.

      Was this during combat situations, literally in the proverbial trenches? Or rather in between these times? Or only while anticipating a combat situation, but not actually in one? Or all three?

      You know, I wonder if maybe things are different in recent decades, since warfare is much more removed from direct mano y mano combat than previously in history, generally speaking. You're in a tank, in a plane, controlling a drone... encapsulated, shielded somewhat, giving one's mind more room and security (however slight and subconscious) to freak out and ruminate on their situation.

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    6. That speaks more to the lax training current recruits go through and the lower standards to which they are held.

      Humane military training. Oxymoron.

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    7. ....there is no escape from IED's. Your next step could... and more often than not, is your last. Nothing is safe, the moment you walk a few feet in either direction, the secure ground you just left is no longer safe. It's constant fight mode for the brain. If not a socio before touching down, you will be after the cruse is over.

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    8. @GM after the cruise ? :) mos = 0311 yourself ?

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    9. So were all your non-socio comrades were running around freaking out all the time, in fetal positions, crying and carrying on? I mean, I doubt they were, unless their training was a miserable failure (as Sarah pointed out).

      You say they were emotional, scared... if they had proper training, they'd understand that giving into those emotions is exactly how to fail. Something must have reigned them in, no? What is the quality of that 'something'?

      But you know, this is kind of moot, because I really only meant to refer to those that, by their own prerogative, give up their lives in order to save another. The ones that others consider to be military combat 'heroes'. Purple stars. I suppose I was kind of vague about that here.

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    10. Hey trigger puller! likewise !! 1/6! active dawg ?

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    11. No !! lol, 6 6 and a kick =D long story. He deserved it ;)

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    12. lmfao!!!!! OOHRAH! =D

      "giving into those emotions"

      Supressing them doesn't make the constant anxiety go away, or any of the other nasty posiblites. The training takes over, almost like clock work. The rush and high frm contact makes you want more after you get that feeling. However, shit is just around the corner, and when you hear a POP POP CRACK CRACK .... ZING ZING ZING, then see your buddys neck explode, shit gets real again fast. Pucker factor 10 is an understatement.

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    13. Pops and cracks are ok. It's when things start to ZING non stop, that is when you know they see you =D

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    14. That's what I'm saying, though. I didn't say that they're "surpressing their emotions". I'm talking basic shit like not ending up in fetal position in the corner of the room because of extreme anxiety. 'Being emotional' and 'having anxiety ' aren't exactly the same, anyway.

      Let me also clarify my last comment. I was referring to those that the public fawns over. That was the whole point. The fawners, not the soldiers.

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    15. No one ends up in the fetal position. Not an issue. The brain takes a beating, possibly inthe fetal position if it was able to. PTSD = fetal pos ;)

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  24. It's not that I can't do good, but I'm smart enough to realize that acts of kindness are weak. People subconsciously get thoughts to dominate others, when they give them reasons to, example being kind. All predators know this.

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    1. Wouldn't providing an act of kindness to someone in need of it prove your dominance over them in the situation? They need help, you don't, but have an abundance of energy (read: power) that you can contribute to their situation.

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    2. No, it means you prioritize their well being. Even the kindest human being will begin to gain dominance over you, if you show them you value them too much. Control 101 is to realize that people love to serve, religion, military and education all prove it. You just need to figure out how to capitalize on that knowledge.

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    3. And anon, it almost sounds like you are afraid to be kind. Thats kinda lame. Fearlessness should extend all the way around. Dont be a pussy.

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    4. I'm not afraid to be kind, at all. I just have no desire to be kind. Most of you pathetic people would feel guilty, if you went through life acting as I do.

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    5. Why would someone do something they don't like to do? Chances are if you are being kind to people, without being coerced, it's because you get something back from it and enjoy it, otherwise it's pointless. Would you work for no money?

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    6. I've actively invited people to feel like they have dominance over me. It's a comfortable and amusing situation. It makes things easier for me, because they guide things for a while. When they try to guide me to something I don't find agreeable, I casually take control. Some people like that, others flip out and spin out of control while trying to manipulate the false image they had of you.

      I'll never meet anyone who actually does have control over me. It's just not how I am wired. Unless you consider someone killing me them having control. I don't.

      The best form of control is influence by the way. Other means of control are primitive and situational at best.

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    7. What do you control? Do you have control of a workplace? Your home? Peoples lives? I can assure you I have complete control of my surroundings. What do you have to show for your talk? Talking is easy.

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    8. @Anonymous 9:46

      I don't really get anything back from anything I do. The actual action is somewhat amusing because it fills time and kills boredom. Afterwards it's back to the same old boredom, and praise, unless to a superior, annoys me to no end.

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    9. @Anonymous 9:51

      We view the world differently.

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    10. It would be more work having to find someone to help you out, and more work getting the person to do something for you. Less work doing some stupid thing that means so much to the person. And if that is all it takes to soften their defenses for me for future. Win Win. Anon, you are an dink. Go back to watching Dexter.

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    11. @MHM

      In what ways?

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    12. @Fucker

      I'm probably the only person around here who doesn't watch Dexter and ironically the most psychopathic.

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    13. If your aim is to dominate through acts of kindness you can sort of become one tired dominant person. How much fun can that be? It's one thing to help someone who can't help themselves once or twice, but I have friends and acquaintances I need to lie to in order to get space. You know what? That's also a pain in the ass. We'd all like to tell someone to quit it because they ask too much. Is that dominance too, or just taking care of yourself. The more a person takes care of their self the more dominant they are. Over themselves, at least.

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    14. (((the most psychopathic)))

      What is the prize for first place ? A higher score on the PCLR ?

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    15. I don't watch Dexter. I watch "The Good Wife" for that little blond,sociopathic, teenage hussy.

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    16. Oh you're such a badass.

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    17. Anon 9:56 there are two boys in here currently that I know of that are primary psychopaths. Try not to be so naive when wading in a shark tank.

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    18. It's not that I can't do good, but I'm smart enough to realize that acts of kindness are weak. People subconsciously get thoughts to dominate others, when they give them reasons to, example being kind. All predators know this.

      Hmm... 'people'. So you just said that everyone is a predator, regardless of whether they know it or not. If this is true, then who's left to be the prey?

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    19. I haven't seen a particular need to control anything other than outcomes and my image.

      I don't really see what control of your workplace, house, or surroundings entails. I'm not controlled by anything other than myself in all of those situations.

      Being directly controlling has always seemed like a fool's game to me. It never worked on me, even as a child. I see through it instantly and choose whether to go along with it or not. I'm uncomfortable going with anything that would never work on me.

      I've used overpowering others as a means to an end a few times. I was still a teenager, and I was never particularly satisfied with the outcome despite being in complete control of the situation by your definition. I just can't even comprehend what it is like on the other person's side, at least mentally. I also can't predict or control the overall outcome. Word spreads, and it just makes things needlessly complicated.

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    20. One of my favorite ways of contributing to the Greater Good is fostering self empowerment in others. It can be a lot more rewarding and challenging to build someone up. Its quite easy to tear someone down.

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    21. Nevermind anon, I think I get your gist after rereading five times, but your syntax is really vague.

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  25. Of course, feigning kindness if a different game.

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  26. http://www.prisonplanet.com/fda-hacked-into-private-gmail-accounts-of-its-own-whistleblower-scientist-using-covert-spy-technology.html

    FDA fuckers!

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  27. game theory people...
    a nash equilibrium will occur of nice people and those who would take advantage.

    i would be a good samaritan because when i explained why i was late to the meeting everyone would think i was nice. i would help only one person and yet would engender the support of many.
    if no-one would find out i would be a cunt every time.

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  28. how come politicians act shitty to everyone, yet people treat them like gods? anon is completely right, people love to serve. none of you know what you're talking about.

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    1. (((how come politicians act shitty to everyone, yet people treat them like gods? )))

      To everyone ? including the ones that voted for them ? Or do you mean a Dictator?

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  29. Bill O Reilly is the biggest douche in media, yet gets the highest ratings. Donald trump has the biggest ego in business and is the most well known face in business. Simon Cowell is the rudest music mogul on the planet and he's treated as the messiah of the music industry. And what can we say for Gordon Ramsay as the number one chef? He's a lovely man isn't he? You don't get to the top with kindness.

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    1. If getting to the top is your kink, have at it.

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    2. Yea and I'm coming for you when I get there.

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    3. You might enjoy this short article I came across yesterday.

      "The hypothesis of the Psychological Science study was that the more power a person has, the less capacity he has to take another person’s perspective."

      Nothing groundbreaking, but the post-it notes experiment is interesting (except the interpretation at the end of the color of the paper is just retarded).

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    4. Makes sense. A sociopathic correlation with power.

      Thats the pyramidal structure. The man at the top is alienated from those beneath and has power struggle issues with trust of those beneath him. He has all this imagined power, this titanic image, but he is quite literally at the mercy of those beneath him whom he looks down on. Because as omnipotent he imagines himself to be, he is completely dependent on others for input, productivity, finances, etc. He cant micromanage everyone, though he fantasizes that he can.

      Fuck that life.

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    5. i've never been able to value another persons perspective and i have barely any power. it comes down to an empathy thing, rather than position. those people in power who can't take perspectives were like that before they became powerful and it's part of the reason why they became powerful, because they are so self serving.

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    6. I think it can go both ways. They feed into each other.

      They can be powerful because they are self-serving, or they can also be self-serving because they are powerful. Most likely some of both, in varying proportions.

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  30. isn't it logical to think, "look where i am in life and you're nothing. why should i listen to you, if MY own perspective has got me this far?"

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  31. It might. I don't buy into "Power corrupts" Most people who desire power and authority were corrupt from the beginning.

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    1. Tired of the slow script as well ? Best load time for me so far is 42 seconds.

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  33. frankfurt f is on the sofa smoking a jay and watching judge shows

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  34. what you mean strain?

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    1. frankfurt is not really a weed smoker.

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  35. What are you smoking ? shit in a bannana peel?

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    1. Not in a banana peel. It is banana peel. Dried. Good shit. Makes you feel like slinging shit.

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  36. frankfurt doesn't know about weed talk. he was just trying to be cool

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    1. nice impression management frankfurt.

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    2. oops from frankfurt f

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  37. my conscience is so strong that i use rubber bullets on intruders !!

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  38. Narcissistic BuddhaJanuary 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    I've always been popular. Everyone likes me. Even the ones who don't.

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  39. One would think you goof balls have nothing to say if you are not fighting he he

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    1. Are you retarded? Today people have actually been discussing the blog topic and some are even skilled at using the new interface. Theres been less sniping and more actual discussion. But yeah, its not a place where everyone stands around with their cock in someone else's hand. Its every person for themself here.

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    2. this place strikes me as pretty peaceful

      not sure why someone described it as a "shark tank" earlier either

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    3. I'm pretty sure that's what Anon was saying, anon.

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  40. No, I am not retarded. U?

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  41. I am retarded.

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  43. Good Evening SW. My head may explode. How is everyone?

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    1. Sorry to hear that Haven. Hope your head remains intact.

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  44. I'm like a mixture of all PD's, mainly psychopathic and you can imagine others would describe me as a little "colorful"

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    1. You sound like a peacock.

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    2. I'm watching you........

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  45. Full movie for all you bored people -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-jhUiBmsrs

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  46. This place dies before nightfall.

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    1. It's turning into The View

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    2. it's the womens that have the brains these days. they gonna rule the world pretty soon, to underestimate them now is to shoot youself in the foot later.

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  47. Narcissistic BuddhaJanuary 31, 2012 at 6:35 PM

    I can only see my own face when I look at you. Which is why I have this overwhelming desire for us to kiss.

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    1. Go fuck yourself :)

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    2. Narcissistic BuddhaJanuary 31, 2012 at 7:30 PM

      When I touch my own self, I only touch my spirit and remove all doubt that I should be more than my flesh. For there is no spirit yet to behold. Where were you when I needed to see myself?

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    3. I was the one holding up the mirror when you tripped me and it broke.

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    4. It happened when you ran after the sociopath, Ami, did you even notice I was there?

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  48. Narcissistic BuddhaJanuary 31, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    I was looking into the heavens when I tripped you. I thought I had seen the face of Michael Jackson in the clouds.

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  49. Where are you 160?

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  50. Erin wrote this in the forum under the username 'Lust of Darkness' but messed up and the name went back to Erin. Thread title is "How Is Is That Sociopaths Can See Right Through People?" The post content below has since been deleted.

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  51. I saw that earlier. I took a peek since I saw nothing more going on around here. I can only imagine what she wrote. Some of the same nonsense she spews as Monica I should think...

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  52. YES! Thank you thank you THANK YOU, Medusa! You just made my fucking night!!! Don't take this the wrong way... but I could just fuck the living shit out of you right now!

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    1. Haha. I thought you might enjoy it.

      I visit the forum like once a week, and that was the first thread I clicked on and I just happened to see it at just the right moment.

      Total serendipity.

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    2. Curious that it is better written than anything else she's ever written. How do you suppose that happened?

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    3. She is one twisted, obsessed lil fuck! This is what I've been trying to get across to people. This is what gets to me more than anything about her. She is as dangerous to a sociopath, as a scientist to a lab rat.

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    4. What's bizarre is that while she repeats some of the same Monica/Caroline sentiments, her writing is like that of a normal person's. She sounds like someone else, more than a little bit reminiscent of Bluebird.

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    5. Or Numby!

      What the hell is going on, where's my tin foil hat??

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    6. This place draws the reality of mental illness out of the freak well. I've seen her writing improve, but not to the degree of the script above. Do you think she asked someone else to write it? Or do you think her Erin style of writing is the fake?

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    7. Wait wait wait a sec, I think I fucked up and was looking at two different things. I'm confused now. Fuck. My mind has been acting really weird the past couple of days.

      That has to be Bluebird, though.

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  53. Yep I think you mixed it up! lol That sucks. I so want to nail that stupid bitch to the cross! Oh well... on to another shot of whiskey then.

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    1. Lol.

      I think the combination of the weed withdrawal mania and the fact I started the ecig at the same time (I think I've been overdosing on nicotine) did something really weird to my brain and made me a word spaz. Thoughts jumping all over the place and seeing connections that aren't really there. Constantly feeling like I'm going to explode. It feels like the time I tried Zyban.

      Today I'm back on weed and regular cigarettes until I stabilize, but I still feel fucked up.

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    2. Well it was still a good read, and a sick one. In all my obsession, I can't imagine being obsessed in such a ridiculous manner.
      I get the way you are right now though. All I have to be is my usual sober self.

      I'm extremely manic right now... and will be for a little while longer. I get really caught up in things that seem far more urgent than they could ever be, if I were on more of an even vibration.

      But I enjoy being strung out on my own head. As long as there's no collateral damage, what's the harm?

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    3. I get really caught up in things that seem far more urgent than they could ever be, if I were on more of an even vibration.

      Yes, that's how I feel. Everything is so exciting, and my response to things comes so easily and quickly and urgently.

      I feel like my mind is jumping ahead of itself, too. Like it's skipping steps, and I have to stop myself a lot to retread.

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    4. Is that annoying for you?
      I was riding it like a demon to hell today! What's funny is that it actually brought me so much luck today. I just go with it. Why fight it? I know I'm still in control... though I did have to take a couple of shots at lunch time, so I wouldn't bust a seam!

      But I'm a bloody good con when I get in this mind set. Like, quick on the draw. Quicker than I even see, till after I fire! lol Then I look back at my mark and think: Holy fuck! Where the hell did that come from?!

      If I stayed like this on a regular basis... I'd end up homeless though, me thinks. I can be a real lunatic if I get too caught up for too fucking long!

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    5. Is that annoying for you?

      It does start to get annoying when I can't get out of what I'm doing in order to go do something else that's probably more important, because the connected thoughts just keep coming like the cargo on an endless freight train, and I'm stuck at the railroad crossing gate and already late to work.

      See: above run-on sentence.

      I feel like my IQ is 500,000 which is awesome, though. I just have to be careful not to let myself get too delusional, as I don't have much practice with mania.

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    6. I doubt you would ever allow mania to lead you to total delusion, Medusa. Control freaks like us... don't allow for anything to get a grip on us completely. Not ever.

      Now go check out my bullshit forum post! :D

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  54. Anyone have an interesting hobby that doesn't involve going outside?

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    1. Also, I just realized Demon went away.

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    2. Did you just? Yeah... they say they can stand the test of time, but they always go away not long after they arrive.

      Say... did you notice Medusa, that coolhandluke (or what ever) left a comment under Erin's post?

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    3. Hobbies. I have a few indoor hobbies. You tell yours first and I'll tell mine.

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    4. That comment was posted back in September.

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    5. What comment was posted in September?

      Raven, I wrote a reply to your request and then a complication arose. I pasted it to someone by accident. I'm not posting it here now.

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    6. Very well. Play with me anyway. I'm in a playful mood. Are you able to be playful? You seem rather glass-blown.

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    7. I can be playful. Some of my posts here are kind of playful. It's just not that obvious, and people probably take it serious. I mostly post a certain type of thing here that I don't post or talk about otherwise. I am more playful elsewhere.

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    8. Whatever. You seem flexible enough to me. I'm quite buzzed right now though... so who knows. What shall we play at?

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    9. I dunno I'm bad at this shit.

      http://i.imgur.com/BfAgZ.jpg

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    10. HOLY SHIT! Where did you find that picture??

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    11. http://www.randomimage.org.uk/

      Imgur roulette.

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    12. LOl. Good show. I wish I could match it, but I'm in no shape. What else you got?

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  55. I think I'm going to put up some bogus forum post in 3... 2 ... 1

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  56. I saw the picture before you deleted, MHM. And guess what...? You do crass very well, which I can't seem to find so quickly to match.
    What about geeky pathetic?

    http://imgur.com/gallery/TV2SM

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    1. http://imgur.com/zjhum

      I was hoping you had seen it. It's all luck. Some times you get a few good images in one go, and other times you get nothing for a while.

      I'm giving up so http://imgur.com/UOExY

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    2. lied, rolled a few more times

      http://imgur.com/5TX05

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