Thursday, June 30, 2011

Treatments for borderline personality disorder

A reader sent me this article in the NY Times profiling a pioneer in treatments for borderline personality disorder, who also suffers from borderline personality disorder herself. There are some interesting parallels and some good suggestions for anyone who is seeking to control their behavior:
She borrowed some of these from other behavioral therapies and added elements, like opposite action, in which patients act opposite to the way they feel when an emotion is inappropriate; and mindfulness meditation, a Zen technique in which people focus on their breath and observe their emotions come and go without acting on them. (Mindfulness is now a staple of many kinds of psychotherapy.)
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“I think the reason [her therapy] has made such a splash is that it addresses something that couldn’t be treated before; people were just at a loss when it came to borderline,” said Lisa Onken, chief of the behavioral and integrative treatment branch of the National Institutes of Health. “But I think the reason it has resonated so much with community therapists has a lot to do with Marsha Linehan’s charisma, her ability to connect with clinical people as well as a scientific audience.”
I wonder whether someone will ever develop a treatment for sociopaths who have poor behavior control. I think it will happen, I just wonder what it will look like.

99 comments:

  1. What a crock of shit *yawn*

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  2. ye fuck this shit.

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  3. radically supersuicidalJune 30, 2011 at 8:36 AM

    i thought her poem, & story, was amazing. (thanks m.e.!)

    rainbow tears and glitter bandages,

    r.s.

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  4. I just posted this story on my blog yesterday. It's nice to hear a story of hope for a change.

    Not too mention I think one of the biggest points was to derail some of the stigma that surrounds BPD and mental health issues in general. It is possible to suffer with this stuff and lead a functional life, at least by surface appearances.


    My therapist uses DBT techniques coupled with various other therapy treatments. Some stuff works, other stuff doesn't. The trick is to find that individual combination that works.

    I think it is possible to develop treatment for sociopaths who have poor behavior control. However, the real trick is... the only way therapy of any sort actually works, is if it the person wants it to and has made the decision to achieve that end goal.

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  5. @radically supersuicidal <~~~ fantastic.

    Her story was very cool especially when you realize how far she came and it's evidence that you can be so far gone AND then emerge from it to become a major pioneering figure in an influential field.

    I totally skipped her poem though. I can't stand reading beeper poetry.

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  6. "I think it is possible to develop treatment for sociopaths who have poor behavior control"

    That just makes the sociopath more dangerous.

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  7. these fucking beepers need to take a hike, there are millions of beeper sites and only like one or two sociopath sites. go wine about your pathetic ex there, you fat bitches. this is our site not yours.

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  8. "That just makes the sociopath more dangerous"

    True and False.

    If someone is a loose canon and will destruct at random or at any small slight, how safe are they? However if they want to learn to control that impulse so they no longer lash out violently at the drop of a hat... it would make them less dangerous.

    If they wanted to control the impulse with motives to channel it into a more subtle plot of revenge... well, yeah = more dangerous.

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  9. Sociopaths with poor behavioral controls are screwed for good, they are less intelligent. I'm not talking about factor 1 predatory rapists or con artists (these are calculated with their violence and barely ever get caught)

    I mean the antisocial car stealing, old lady mugging sociopaths. These bums waste most of their lives in prison.

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  10. radically supersuicidalJune 30, 2011 at 10:18 AM

    haven, you rock the flow of positive energy.

    you do. <3

    now she is loving herself. yay!

    rainbow tears and glitter bandages,

    r.s.

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  11. zomgz, we should rename this place beeper-ville.

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  12. "If someone is a loose canon and will destruct at random or at any small slight, how safe are they? However if they want to learn to control that impulse so they no longer lash out violently at the drop of a hat... it would make them less dangerous. "

    No sociopaths destruct at random, you are talking about an inferior antisocial.

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  13. ffs will someone give rs a shiny pink razorblade covered in sparkles now

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  14. Low Functioning vs. High Functioning exists in every aspect of the PD spectrum. I know the difference between your standard antisocial and socio.

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  15. What is my difference then? :P

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  16. It will look like shackles and an iron ball tied around a leg: the treatment for sociopaths who can't control their behaviour.

    Oh, wait, there are already administering it.

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  17. Classic Low function = picking on my grammar in a sociopath blog =P

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  18. its so fuckin unfair that we r not aloud to rape kill an maim we are so opresed by an uncarng systum that doesnt want to see us reach our full potential awell fuck u cunts im gonna show u what im made of

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  19. The antisocial path is an empath gone awry, they will display genuine remorse if they have hurt an individual from their "circle" these are usually drug addicts.

    The psycho path doesn't give a damn about anyone, they'd skin their mother for power, these are much much craftier than the inferior antisocial path.

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  20. Yo M.E. can you send me that blog picture i can't seem to download it.

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  21. Anyone looking for a child minder?

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  22. radically supersuicidalJune 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM

    billy, make a list of 10 reasons why you love yourself & you will no longer be a sociopath you will be compassionate!

    haven, you are so my hero <3

    rainbow tears & glitter bandages,

    r.s.

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  23. billy, make a list of 10 reasons why you love yourself & you will no longer be a sociopath you will be compassionate!

    You mean't.

    billy, make a list of 10 reasons why you love yourself & you will no longer be a borderline you will be normal!

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  24. if he is a spat he will have more 10 reasons to love himself, trust me!

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  25. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYjw2HOSXmk

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  26. He wrote a letter to the police complaining that his murders weren't getting enough media attention lol what a soldier.

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  27. "A little paragraph would have been enough, how many people do i have to kill to get my name in the paper"

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  28. radically supersuicidalJune 30, 2011 at 12:08 PM

    oh! b.t.k.'s poetry is lovely and tugs at my heart <3

    rainbow tears & glitter bandages,

    r.s.

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  29. paths don't write bullshit poetry, there is no pussy footing around we get right to the point.

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  30. Behaviour depends on the individual perception towards something, change your perception and you will be able to control your behaviour.
    Self-control, is to go against what you want.

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  31. i think btk is a pretty cool guy. eh terrorized kansas and doesn't afraid of anything.

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  32. the distinguishing factor of 'paths is that they just dont care about anyone.

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  33. That is not entirely true

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  34. there are varieties and degrees of consciousness and classifications overlap:

    standard 'paths are classified as people who: repeatedly do anti-social things:

    ie. untrustworthy, ungenuine, insincere, backstabbin', type things, and gain satifiaction from it.

    there is nothing redeeming about them, 'paths are simply just plain garbage.
    why keep them around? it is better to just waste them.

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    also, there are normal people who are:

    ego-centric, superficially charming, and manipulators.

    but this doesnt make them 'paths, and they are not 'paths.

    what are they classified as? bullshitters?

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  35. why is sociapaths so borning

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  36. "why is sociapaths so borning"

    Are you retarded?

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  37. 6 ft Plus Path ProtectorJune 30, 2011 at 7:05 PM

    Listen up, because I'm only going to say this once: leave my client alone or I will step on you and squish you.

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  39. Heh.

    @Haven

    Quick question. As a borderline, do you tend to glare at people that you don't like? I don't mean in a normal way. I mean excessive glaring.

    Just need to know.

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  40. Quick question. As a borderline, do you tend to glare at people that you don't like? I don't mean in a normal way. I mean excessive glaring.

    Just need to know.

    I don't think beepers have "the stare" to pull that off.

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  41. watch this, it's a video about a narcissist fighting a borderline.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keZ1JMEehZE

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  42. Haven do you think that this dramatic outcome would have happened if you confronted the evil ex?

    He states:

    "I always thought that my hatred of him was much worse, the truth is his hatred is a bottomless pit"

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  43. @Jason... I can glare with the best of them. It's no socio glare though. It's raw fire and fury.

    Why curious?

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  44. I confronted Evil-Ex enough. I occasionally bring him up when I draw on experiences, but I no longer have feelings for him in any way. Nothing about him is worth the expenditure of emotion.

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  47. why does sociapaths like cafeine

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  48. never date a borderline
    1)they will talk about their life
    2)draw you on to their web
    3)suspects everything you ever do
    4)trying to isolate you
    5)yells at you for no reason "i hate but i love you"
    6)accidentally run into you after you break up and make a **&^%&%$
    7)wasting time and money on a restraining order

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    1. My mom was a BPD... and I would take a sociopath, histrionic or narcissist over a borderline any day

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  49. Hey everyone. I have news. It's delicious. Went to see the psychiatrist the other day and told her I thought I was pretty borderline (which NO ONE has ever told me besides Haven. -Haven is a fucking genious, so don't fuck with her, fyi)Know what psychiatrist said? --Borderlines are some of the most brilliant people she knows. HUGE SMILE from lady psychiatrist.

    -gnaw on that comment, wet.

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  50. shut up you fat borderline slut. your psychiatrist is a cunt and so are you, whore

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  51. "never date a borderline
    1)they will talk about their life
    2)draw you on to their web
    3)suspects everything you ever do
    4)trying to isolate you
    5)yells at you for no reason "i hate but i love you"
    6)accidentally run into you after you break up and make a **&^%&%$
    7)wasting time and money on a restraining order "

    1) I'm told by bfs i'm too secretive and don't say enough about my life
    2) Well, duh. That can't be helped.
    3) Meh, I suppose, but socios are the same, in fact, they are way WORSE.
    4) Meh.
    5) There's always a reason, and anyway, SO?
    6) Don't know what u mean, but, again, meh.
    7) Mutual restraining orders between a beeper and a socio methinks.

    gonna go buy a dingy now to cross a river. Yay me.

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  52. "never date a borderline
    1)they will talk about their life
    2)draw you on to their web
    3)suspects everything you ever do
    4)trying to isolate you
    5)yells at you for no reason "i hate but i love you"
    6)accidentally run into you after you break up and make a **&^%&%$
    7)wasting time and money on a restraining order "

    1) I'm told by bfs i'm too secretive and don't say enough about my life
    2) Well, duh. That can't be helped.
    3) Meh, I suppose, but socios are the same, in fact, they are way WORSE.
    4) Meh.
    5) There's always a reason, and anyway, SO?
    6) Don't know what u mean, but, again, meh.
    7) Mutual restraining orders between a beeper and a socio methinks.

    gonna go buy a dingy now to cross a river. Yay me.

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  53. One of the key differences between bpd and psychopathy, is borderlines can have people that they respect, admire or even love, where psychopaths have a "me against the world" attitude, everyone is a target it deosn't matter who they are. Borderlines can show genuine concern for others and can actually go out of there way or put their own health at risk to help someone out. A psychopath will never put someone before him/her.

    I bet if you could somehow look at a psychopaths life you would find that they have barely ever offered to help a person in need.

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  54. Borderline = Troubled person.

    Psychopath = Nasty person.

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  55. There are many similarites. Actually the Borderline and Narcissist both are wrapped up in thier own universe with little or no concern for others and how their behavior affects others. However the N is wrapped up in his own self image and buries his emotions while the BPD is wrappd up in thier imediate needs and have no control over their own emotions. The BPD is capable of empathy however because they have feelings for themselves as far as pain rejection etc. She only seems to empathize with you for a while only and *ONLY IF* it pertains to her universe.

    NPD expects others to revolve around his universe as if to be a satellite dependent on worshipping him as a god. While the BPD wraps her universe around you as if to FUSE your very existense to themselves, you are her universe. Both NPD and BPD are extremely fearfull of abandonment but handle it in two different ways. BPD will cling to you while the NPD ever concious of his self image will abandon you before you have a chance to abandon him. Both of them have excessive Rage emotions built up. The BPD will dump on you while the NPD dumps you alltogether. ( I use male for NPD and female for BPD because that is how the genders are likey to be diagnosed - however either geneder can suffer from either disorder)

    BPD has an arrested emotional development set at age three while NPD is set at age six. Some authorities suggest its all all along the same continuim as Narcissistic Personality Disorder. With NPD at one end and BPD at the other. They are both in the same "B" cluster of personality disorders also with histrionic and antisocial personality disorders. IN fact many BPDS have been co-morbidly diagnosed as also having NPD. The degree of functionality among three of them is something like this Histrionics are more able to function in society than narcisssists who in turn fare better than Borderlines.

    Those close to Borderline or Narcissist will find ways to deal with them are very much the same. Also the effect they have on others close to them are stikingly similar. Manipulating, lies, deception, self centeredness. and most of all a complete lack of concern for anyone but themselves. They just chose to cover it up in different ways.

    I know all this because my so called "mother" was a full blown (diagnosed) Borderline Personality Disorder and eventually got locked up because of it. I have also had two "relationships" with NPDs decades apart. Looking back the characteristics of them were nearly identical to Mommie dearest. They just concaeled thier true intentions better. The first one I had no realization what was going on until it was too late and I'd been burned - Bad. the second one i found out just in time and GOT OUT!

    Anyone that has been raised by a borderline or narcissist will have a tendency to attract N's because they have already been "trained". If you even think you are getting involved with one of either get out now. They are nothing more than a parasite set to suck the very life out of you.

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  56. Narcissists are fascists.

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  57. this is getting way too complicated:

    to un-clutter this just be undefined, and open to editing the overarching premises of your consciousness, adding new ones and deleting unneeded ones depending on your point of view, since everyone is different in degrees and varieties of being and trying to "classify" everyone into something will get complicated.

    rather then classify the "characteristics" into restrictive "titles", which will only end you up as a "title", focus on editing the premises of your consciousness so that you get the outcome of consciousness, and the emotions it will elicit, that you want.

    expand your consciousness, NOT!!:

    http://www.goatse.bz/

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  58. Anon@11:51 idiot
    Anon@11:02 Intelligent

    Anons take notes. The intelligent post was interesting. All other anons... are not.

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  59. "Anons take notes. The intelligent post was interesting. All other anons... are not."

    you = http://www.goatse.bz/

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  60. the guy nxt door is a scio he call his daughter a slut and saidd he kill her then he knock at my door an act like niecet guy ever

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  61. Every time I dive in my pool
    It's hard to be humble
    When I do the breastroke through an underground tunnel
    And come up on the other side in a jacuzzi
    Being greeted by two naked models with suds on there booties
    They give me hugs and lots of kisses
    And they ask me what my wishes
    I say go and call your bitches
    Cause there's gonna be a party
    Next they wash my body as a team
    And then the say "foo your royal penis is clean"
    And I'm like

    Yes it's on and poppin
    Yes the partys rockin
    Yes the cutie shockin
    Yes and there ain't no stoppin

    Every day I see my dream
    Every day I see my
    Every day I see my dream
    Every day I see my dream

    Wakin up next to a beautiful girl
    Step outside to say hello to my beautiful world
    Grandmas cookin breakfast she makes pancakes the best
    I check my myspace and I got alotta friend requests YESS
    I get to dancin cause I
    Walk throungh my mansion cause I
    Own property from california to the hamptons and I
    Sip sum of my water fountain that spits soda
    Look out the window and wave down my next door neighbour opera huh
    I go check and see how my albums doin today
    The group LMFAO goes double platnium hayyy
    I got a party man that's how I live
    So I take my elevator to the club in my crib like

    Yes it's on and poppin
    Yes the partys rockin
    Yes the cutie shockin
    Yes and there ain't no stoppin

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  62. *facepalm.....sigh*

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  63. ugggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh

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  64. That's so bad it's funny.

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  65. M.E.,

    "I wonder whether someone will ever develop a treatment for sociopaths who have poor behavior control. I think it will happen, I just wonder what it will look like."

    when you get home from vacation, would you write an article about your view on this subject?

    There's no doubt research is being done with this in mind. All the antisocial minorities are found to have symptoms akin to ADHD, and there're already a variety of medications for ADHD.

    Over a decade ago, before I was sentenced the last time, I was diagnosed with ADHD and was given ADHD medications. I went through all the types, but none of them had any effect at all, except for the side effects (some of which were fairly neat). I know other psychopaths have had the same result.

    But perhaps it will lead to something for sociopaths (and maybe even AsPD'ers).

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  66. @zhawq

    what is the defining element of the 'path?

    that causing harm is satisfying to them, right?

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  67. "u humble bro?"

    Bitch! I'm so humble, I make soulful path look like gaddafi.

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  68. Zhawq is humble bro.

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  69. UKan is not a humble man.

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  70. I have more money than all of u.

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  71. u need to put ur whole being in raising ur kids they are ur legacy, (i'm saying legacy because i don't want to say compassion because i realize that that people here will think im weak lol) especially u anti humble guy, you big meanie

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  72. u got sumthin say might as well bag it.
    fuk u faggot

    cuz u cant serve shit.
    not even at burger king.
    cuz u ain't even got BLING!!!!
    fuk u faggot

    plus u so stupid
    can't even do shit
    you like a maggot
    fuk you faggot

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  73. learn to challenge anything anyone ever said to you.

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  74. everyone has problems, it is important to realize your problems will effect your quality of life, and to accept and own them, and always be trying hard to rehabilitate them to the best one can do.

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  75. one of My favorite verse in the bible, by non other than the most famous sociopath Jesus.

    Luke 19:27 (king James)
    But those mine enemies, which would not that i should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

    Basically follow me or die and be tortured for ever. I would recommend the bible to everyone its a great read.

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  76. Jesus was a narcissist not a sociopath, Satan is a sociopath.

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  77. Satan is just a god's play toy. I mean come on god even inspired a book where he tells Satan how he will lock him up and torture him. But he doesn't do it right away he waits a few billion years (or 6 thousand if you are fundamentalist) just to let Satan pee in his pants.

    He crated Satan as the most beautiful creature in the universe then have everyone depict him as a horned animal. That is a torture worse than what the guy did to the model in the movie Se7en.

    For billions of years he sat in heaven thinking of ways to torture Satan. Btw Satan is not the ruler of hell, god is, that myth is created by Hollywood. You can also say that god runs hell but blames it on Satan. lol

    The best way to think about this is to compare this to Spartacus. Satan and the angels are basically god's slave. One day they wanted freedom and rebelled but was crushed by god. However unlike Marcus Licinius Crassus who just killed Spartacus god wants to torture Satan for 4000 years (or was it 1000, i need to read my bible). Then he will allow Satan to once again be his slave and suck his dick.

    The way i see it Satan is a pussy who does not even deserve to be talked about. The bad ass version that you might believe in is not the real Satan, as depicted in the bible. Satan is the battered wife and god is the abuser.

    God is the my favorite fictional character of all time. He doesn't give a shit about anyone not even his own son who is also him. His basic deal is be my slave or be tortured for ever. I know my bible i use to do some preaching for donation money.

    I suspect you are some teenager who is in a Satanic cult or just some loser who thinks being evil is cool. Either way read the bible first before making conclusions.

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  78. "Basically follow me or die and be tortured for ever. I would recommend the bible to everyone its a great read."

    your all faggots and jesus was the biggest faggot 'path that ever lived, that bitch caused so many deaths, and problems, fuk im, all lies and fake santa claus religion shit, neo-hitler seeks to burn and destroy all religious materials, and prevent any group of more than 2 people from talking about religion. since nothing can be knkown about god at all, anyone who claims so, can totally go fuck themselves.

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  79. you're welcome, 9:15

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  80. I wonder whether someone will ever develop a treatment for sociopaths who have poor behavior control. I think it will happen, I just wonder what it will look like.

    Games and treadmills

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  81. "I suspect you are some teenager who is in a Satanic cult or just some loser who thinks being evil is cool. Either way read the bible first before making conclusions."


    You read the bible? Fail.

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  82. But of course I had to upgrade my text messaging plan.

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  83. Bella,
    "Went to see the psychiatrist the other day and told her I thought I was pretty borderline (which NO ONE has ever told me besides Haven."

    Really? No one at all? Hmm...

    "Know what psychiatrist said? --Borderlines are some of the most brilliant people she knows."

    She's right. Some of the most creative people I've met were BPD'ers. Two of my women long term relationships were BPD'ers. You just need to understand them and what their issues are, and you'll be fine and have some of the greatest, loyal loved ones you can ever have.

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  84. IMO Jesus is nothing but a giver. That's not a complete human. He's too giving and accepting of weaknesses without the capacity or will to outwardly express his needs and that's what creeped out survivalist jews and gained the admiration of the later romans who saw the opportunity to create and use anything iconic to preserve their raison d'etre. Basically Jesus was a tool of all tools. That's why he stood out. And people are wired to respect or fear numbers as power. Ain't reality great?

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  85. Really? No one at all? Hmm...

    Correction:
    I have told MYSELF. But I did not know my criteria ran beyond my problematic romantic life. I didn't realize the distorted thinking had anything to do with it.

    One of my favorite quotes has always been "sometimes a cigar is only a cigar" Now I know why!

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  86. Some of the most creative people I've met were BPD'ers.

    I never have let that fly because I've been sitting on myself, trying to control everything. Fuck that; it isn't even in my best interest.

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  87. I have a nice treatment option for sociopaths with poor behavioural control: A bullet to the head!

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