Sunday, May 1, 2011

The Killer Inside Me

I recently watched The Killer Inside Me. Casey Affleck plays a sheriff's deputy psychopathic killer with a "sickness" that seeks to break free. It's not the best portrayal of a psychopath I have seen, in fact it's a little hackneyed. I wonder if the book was any better in this regard, according to Stanley Kubrick "Probably the most chilling and believable first-person story of a criminally warped mind I have ever encountered." There are a couple interesting reasons to watch the film, though.

The movie has a somewhat unique brand of indiscriminate killings. The method and mode of the killings appear unfathomable, presumably because there is some self-delusion or insanity going on in the mind of the killer, but it's never made explicit. He convinces himself that he needs to kill these people, that it is the only thing to do and the facts support his conclusions to a certain extent but not quite. The audience is left thinking, "I can sort of see why he did that, but it also seems like a mistake."

This is unlike either most horror films where the killings are unapologetically senseless or crime dramas where the killings are unapologetically telelogical. The resulting depictions of killing are all the more disturbing because of this aspect -- you wonder whether he isn't jumping to conclusions, doing something that he may regret when he finds out the real facts. It reminds me of the same horrific self-justifications in Boxing Helena that leads the protagonist to perform amputations on the object of his obsession. People who think rationally, people who have not killed or maimed for pleasure watch these types of movies and squirm because they can't quite convince themselves that this could never happen to them. They know of their own powers of self-deception and think, there but for the grace of God go I.

The other fun aspect of the film's indiscriminate killings is seeing how the victims each respond. In one scene our killer is explaining the deaths of two people to a friend of his. The friend volunteers that the victims must have had it coming, to which the killer replies, "No one has it coming. That's why no one can see it coming." Indeed, because the killings are relatively unprovoked and unwarranted, none of his victims do see it coming and they all react to the killings in different ways. One moment they are self-assured, even making small demands of the killer, "not now," "get dressed," "where's the money," etc. In just a few moments they are being killed and staring up at him with not just surprise, but real disbelief. For a second you can see them wonder, "how could this possibly be happening?" as if they just saw a law of physics being violated. It makes you realize how entitled we all feel, how everyone believes that they have certain rights that will never be violated, could never be violated, chief among them being the right to life. Yet here is an individual who routinely violates those rights, with no repercussions. Some of the killings are done in such odd ways that the audience also feels disbelief, "Can you really die that way?" and you realize that the world holds many more dangers than you ever dared admit to yourself.

Best quote by the creepy Bill Pullman: "A weed is a plant out of place. I find a hollyhock in my cornfield, and it's a weed. I find it in my yard, and it's a flower. You're in my yard."



Boxing Helena:

113 comments:

  1. Well the video was rather interesting, but then it kind of sickened me.

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  2. This pretrial is just meant to make money, nothing accurate. I can see how bloodlust is fun but in all seriousness its highly impractical. Like drugs and alcohol. Its better to direct that need towards business or politics.

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  3. apart from the the killing, the warped sense of reality and self justifications are no different from the feminine sexuality which leaves a messy wake of destroyed but alive victims.

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  4. Anybody care to comment on why people yearn for, and are obsessed with physical beauty?

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  5. For a second you can see them wonder, "how could this possibly be happening?" as if they just saw a law of physics being violated.

    I'm more surprised by human kindness than human cruelty.

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  6. "For a second you can see them wonder, "how could this possibly be happening?" as if they just saw a law of physics being violated. It makes you realize how entitled we all feel, how everyone believes that they have certain rights that will never be violated, could never be violated, chief among them being the right to life"

    I don't think anyone with common sense believe they have rights that will never be violated. They may believe their rights shouldn't be violated or they may wish them not violated but thinking they will never be violated or cannot be violated?... that's a common but interesting psychopathic assumption or twisted rationalization that is false IMO. 10 minutes on the planet teaches anyone that ones "rights" and wishes are often violated or not met.

    When they aren't met, like say in the case of being killed suddenley, then of course someone will be surprised and shocked... not because they think their right has been violated and it could never happen... but because of the unlikely context and the stakes and likely the pain involved.

    This often expressed rationalization of the sociopath that people (prey)feel they are entitled and are delusional and are so confortable and need to be shooken up or are dumb and should be taken advantage of is a delusion itself. It's apparently based on deliberate self delusion (anti-logic) on the part of the sociopath (because of anger?) and the lack of an informing normal empathic connection to other humans imo.

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  7. I haven't seen this movie, or any for that matter that really stick out as the 'real deal', but then again, I don't see/read a lot about the subject in regards to fiction, so I'm sure I've missed out on a gem or two. The book sounds like it might be more on the money, or at the very least entertaining.

    As far as people being surprised, logic, and, what was that you said, anti-logic? *chuckles* No, that's not how it works it all.

    It's not about being delusional in the least. It's about being in denial. Of course people know the world is dangerous, and that there are people out there who can, and might even try to kill them. But to keep that at the fore of your conscious being would be maddening, and a crushing kind of paranoia.

    It's a matter of out of sight, out of mind, with a dash a denial. Nobody wants to think they're a victim. The fact is, everyone is a target, predator, prey, everyday Joe, it doesn't matter. We're all animals in an animal kingdom that likes to operate at an abstract level where the rules of nature and the rules of civilization clash against each other, and where people sometimes choose to follow one set or the other when they damn well please.

    Some rules have to be followed because they transcend the art of limitations and instead encompass compulsory action. Those are real laws that need to be followed, the laws of one's nature. Breaking those have severe consequences for both mind and body, where the laws of men have no such effect.

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  8. My point is sociopaths often rationalize or describe their predatory behavior as simply taking advantage of the weak or delusional... with "sense of entitlement" often spoken of as a delusion and bad thing. It does sound bad when framed the way it is by sociopaths... But the "sense of entitlement" is really a very logical reaction to living on the planet with various risks. It is not that I can never be killed... it is that I don't want that and the risk of it varies depending on context. The more the context lacks obvious risk the more the surprise.. and that's true with anything. Sociopaths twist sense of entitlement to I can "never", I "must always" etc. Like that sure people sound like assholes and one can even sympathize a little with this viewpoint.. but is is false, obviously.

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  9. Because to break it down into great detail is a waste of fucking time, usually.

    People usually do not thoroughly articulate everything about a situation, and why would they?

    Did they have it coming? You bet your ass most of them did. Is it illogical, truly? Who is being illogical now? The person passing judgment, or the person passing judgment on the person who passed judgment in a scenario they were never part of in the first place?

    I call bullshit on your simplified logic. You weren't there, part of it, part of life from my point of view, taking in all the sensory information I did, nor do you have a mind similar to my own, so how can you possibly make a claim in which you have no point of reference? You can't. You're just regurgitating what you read or heard, not truly understanding any of it, like the good little aspie you are.

    But who am I to say that's how an aspie's mind works? I guess I could speculate and make claims on it based off of things I have heard about Aspergers on the interwebz. Seems to be the popular way to rationalize mental disorders around here.

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  10. I don't follow you but whatever works for you.

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  11. I have never understood why people fear death. They are not afraid of before birth, why are they afraid of after death?

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  12. I feel your pain. But that's the way the rules are in the game of winners or losers. We can wish all we want for life to mimic our art. Being a nazi about it makes it feel a little better.

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  13. I tried to watch Boxing Helen. What a waste of potential with bad acting and details. Guess I'm a sucker for the frills.

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  14. Of course we feel a sense of entitlement, and that's not pathological per se. It's all good until we start believing that the universe will provide for us. I deserve whatever I want, but it's up to me to make sure I get it.

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  15. Sense of entitlement in my case comes from being consistently great at whatever I decide to get into. If I don't fail at what I put my mind to, and almost always do better than my so-called peers, how am I not entitled to a high opinion of myself if I deserve it?

    Part of not having a conscience and being highly competitive is why people like us are so damn good at what we decide to do, and that almost feral ferocity definitely separates us from others.

    You call it sense of entitlement. I call it being amazing at everything I do and expecting to be treated accordingly. It's a matter of respect earned.

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  16. what kid of a masochist are you if you don't have a "sense of entitlement."

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  17. Notable, the sense of entitlement you are talking about is realistic, the sociopathic sense of entitlement is 'I'm taking your money, why? Because I'm me I can have anything I want' there is a difference.

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  18. everything adam says is exactly right.

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  19. The entitlement doesn't come from acheivments, look at me, I've been kicked out of school yet I still think I'm the most important person that ever lived. (I am)

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  20. So you're saying in order to be sociopathic, you have to have a completely delusional sense of entitlement, as opposed to simply feeling or being superior?

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  21. Yes, it's grandiose. It isn't delusional to the psychopath. Why do you think 'lack of REALISTIC long term goals' is a mark? A psychopath will always make outragous claims like 'I am destined to be world leader' We don't look at that and say 'I'm not going to say this and that because it's delusional' We barely ever internalize.

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  22. You're just squeezing yourself in a box that fits just right with the nodding heads, trying to play more aware then self aware. It doesn't work that way. It's really pathetic, too.

    You wouldn't consider being a world leader a grandiose goal if you actually thought you could pull it off (which a psychopath not only could think, but might actually be able to do).

    Grandiose and delusional are measurements taken from a frame of reference from another person who considers their views more realistic. Of course you can't take a felon sitting behind bars from armed robbery serious when he says he wants to be a world leader. But how many world leaders ended up being thugs before (and during) office, ask yourself that, you idiot.

    Long term goals don't work for the same reason a personal code and boundaries don't work in the long term. It's just one more thing to rebel against and break. If the achievement is something that can be done and requires an intense amount of focus and energy, then it's not going to feel like a goal. It's going to feel like a task, and when it comes to tasks, I either don't give a shit, or I'm in for it 100 and crazy percent.

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  23. Lol, calm down you bitch, I'm just countering anything you say to annoy you. You are on a sociopath blog claiming you are a sociopath, yet you haven't gave anyone reasons to believe you, but they still believe you, why? Because they are naive.

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  24. Calm down? I'm completely calm and rational.

    If you've mistaken my countering you and showing how stupid and naive you are, as impassioned angry writing, then I can only not apologize for your lack of understanding and instead frown at your lack of it.

    You try too hard Adam. Way, way too hard. And that's no one here believes you're a sociopath, psychopath, OR narcissist, just a grown child. Because that's exactly what you are.

    You wish you had a label to justify how pitiful you are.

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  25. laughing with adamMay 1, 2011 at 2:14 PM

    Adam, that was hilarious!

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  26. I'm not the one with 'path' in my name, there is the evidence that it's you who is trying too hard hunnie.

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  27. That's your comeback, really? 'I know you are but what am I?'

    Definitely a man-child.

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  28. I'll let you have this one.

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  29. I think you are BOTH sociopaths, and the way you two argue is crackin' me up!

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  30. I agree that Adam is not anything but I think Note is a Malignant Narcisist not a S

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  31. I've gotta disagree with the above. They are BOTH sociopaths. Have you read any of Note's blog? And Adam? He's just young

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  32. Always with the Narc diagnosis... *sigh*

    I will tell you this much with a side of genuine modesty, I look a hell of a lot more attractive than Vaknin, which isn't saying much, really...


    wv: busers

    Haha, I love it!

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  33. I dont even resd this blog only comments why would i read his lol

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  34. Ya'll are making me laugh so hard that my cheeks hurt.

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  35. I read the both the blogs and the comments. I'm wondering if one of the frequent posters is also the blog writer. If I were M.E., I would post comments to liven the place up, wouldn't you?

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  36. I should preface all of my blog articles and comments with,

    My name is The Notable 'Path, author of the blog, 'The Notable 'Path: Sociopathy Revisited'

    I have to keep up with appearances, after all.

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  37. Always the finality, unpredictability and paradox of death to conjure up a heated and focused conversation.

    In this regard belief is unapologetically senseless. And debate unapologetically teleological.

    Why is there always a push to find a final cause? In that regard a strongly held opinion is the ultimate entitlement. And our only protection from the dangers of "you ever dared admit to yourself" is some flexibility. Such is one of the many purposes behind fiction and film.

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  38. Stirring up troubleMay 1, 2011 at 3:27 PM

    The Noteable 'Path and I think that if Adam had a blog, then it would be reeeeaaaalllllly immature and stuuuuppppppiiddddd.

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  39. Adam has potential. He attracts infamous attention. We are always mentioning him. Does that make him a master of the gravitational irritation pull or in a pack of wolves, the omega we all pick on.

    Perhaps both.

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  40. Perhaps both, indeed.

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  41. "to keep that at the fore of your conscious being would be maddening, and a crushing kind of "

    I believe this is the reason that in hospitals, they rotate nurses and interns in and out of the maternity wards. -To feel solace in new healthy life, as opposed to decay and ultimate death.

    Sometimes we all need to withdraw from life's sorrows and take a vacation....

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  42. Soulful Path, are you all about God, Motown or neither?

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  43. Daddy's Little GirdironMay 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM

    Why worry or even think about death. We live, and then we die. And then...nothingness...decay, disintegration. That is why we have fun now. Lighten up. Think about ULTIMATE WORLD DOMINATION or fire or something that makes you smile.

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  44. quote of the day from a wise past love:

    "You just need a nap"

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  45. With a Capital "T"May 1, 2011 at 4:09 PM

    Soulful vs Notable. Who is SMARTER?

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  46. Soulful what made you aware that you are a sociopath?

    You don"t come across as having as manipulative but very rational, we're you always like his?

    Socio's don't sound very mature on this blog but more like spoiled children. I am not including Note in the spoiled child group either.

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  47. That's your comeback, really? 'I know you are but what am I?

    Mine is:

    "you started it"

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  48. More like, who enjoys playing the sage more?

    I actually have a question for all those here who think they encompass the sociopathic, psychopathic or narcissistic spectrum in some form or the other:

    Do you actively, or have you in the past, had body modification performed? (Tattoos, body piercing, scarification, etc)

    I, personally haven't had any of those done. I've occasionally considered tattoos, but nothing has ever seemed like a tattoo that I just need to have.

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  49. I forgot to add plastic surgery into that category, by the way.

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  50. haven when you want to commit suicide you should write "did she died?" on your suicide letter LMFAO, just think how famous you'd be on the internet

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  51. Notable, what's with the survey?

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  52. Stirring up troubleMay 1, 2011 at 4:35 PM

    And what colour are your eyes?

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  53. I'm wondering how mental self-image directly correlates to how someone treats their body.

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  56. Why You Don't Fuck With A NarcMay 1, 2011 at 4:48 PM

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b89_1304268361

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  57. I have one tattoo.

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  58. I have EVIL on the fingers of my left hand and HATE on the other one.

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  59. @Badass socio: that is so predictable. Next time, get a flower or a freakin' unicorn. Throw 'em all off. Know what I mean?

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  60. who is that nutcase from the first comment?

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  61. "T" is also for tikMay 1, 2011 at 5:06 PM

    Tik, are you a psychology student?

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  62. Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe!

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  63. Do all sociopaths experience blood lust?

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  64. Dyslexia, a inimitable drive for power, a lack of conscious and a need for stimulus seems to be a more accurate common thread.

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  65. No not a psycology student.

    I have quite a few close to me that have PD's and including a socio so I would really like to be able to stay around them with out wanting to kill them.

    Soulful just seems so far above the the cluster f that goes on.

    My eyes are indego blue.

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  66. you mean indigo. are you a nursing student? or a waitress?

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  67. soulful, i presume you meant "a lack of conscience".
    for common traits have you seen the survey done here a while ago?
    it seems psychopath types have low body temperatures, low blood pressure, eat to survive, look young for their age, and don't take cold medicine. this is all in addition to the obvious ones such as preference for night above day, and actual diagnostic traits such as lack of conscience and being easily bored.

    i'd have liked to add many other questions to the list. not gonna ask now, gotta head off, some other time.

    TNP - no tatts or piercings or anything permanent. just can't commit to a tattoo though have toyed with the idea... the chinese character for tiger looks pretty cool if done with a bit of artistic flourish.

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  68. I'm a Manager in a male dominated feild. In the past I worked in the counseling feild for teen-agers.

    My job is closing due to cut backs so I'm starting my own bussiness.

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  69. Res, opps thanks for the correction. Must have been my dyslexia or my low blood pressure.

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  70. Tik, radiant indigo I am sure. And with all this information at your disposal I am sure you hold your own in a den of thieves.

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  71. Hmm. It's curious that the predominant theme is no body modification. Maybe there's a sentimental aspect that simply doesn't come into play here.

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  72. res. what about that survey? don't take cold medicine? what? the same survey has questions like "do you have great admiration for aspies" what does that have to do with sociopathy?

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  73. @TNP.... "I'm wondering how mental self-image directly correlates to how someone treats their body."

    Curious about where you're going with this. Obvs.

    My dad always said, why do something to a part of yourself that you wouldn't want attention drawn to. Body mods are kind of the ultimate expression of 'look at this part'.

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  74. I haven't watched this movie, so I can't really say if it's a good characterization of a psychopath or not. But from the description you give, and from the small clip from the movie, there's nothing that seems out of place about him to me... that is, in the perspective of a psychopath.

    One can easily get an idea in the way he describes and find it a bit 'unreasonable' or 'risky', or whatever may be the case.

    Also, seeing it is pictured as going on in the 1960s that makes it even more believable.

    Since I haven't seen or heard any descriptions about how he kills, I don't have an opinion on that. But generally speaking few goes out of their way to create killings that don't seem likely to be completed.

    In that respect he would be more likely to be a rich someone's son with the power and money to use all kinds of means to set up strange scenarios.

    So maybe you're right, it's not exactly the most likely way to happen. But I can see the reason to set the stage as the director has chosen to set it: In a more common environment. It brings it closer to the audience, making it more of what it's meant to be: Real Life Horror depiction.

    I'll certainly watch it sometime!... '^L^,

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  75. GagReflex:

    "Anybody care to comment on why people yearn for, and are obsessed with physical beauty?"

    Uh, let's see... Because it's so physically beautiful?

    Nah, couldn't be the reason. Sorry, can't answer. ;)

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  76. Wet:

    "I have never understood why people fear death. They are not afraid of before birth, why are they afraid of after death?"

    They fear death because they compare it with loss, and loss with pain. From there to the association that death is pain is a short step, especially with all the grim imaginings we can gather from people in a pre-death situation (mortal illnesses, etc.).

    That's pretty much all there is to it.

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  77. it seems psychopath types have low body temperatures, low blood pressure, eat to survive, look young for their age, and don't take cold medicine. this is all in addition to the obvious ones such as preference for night above day, and actual diagnostic traits such as lack of conscience and being easily bored.

    Was this serious because this actually fits me. Even what Res said about tats fits me.

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  78. Speaking of killing . . . BTW
    Osama bin Laden is dead. Just announced.

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  79. Notable:

    "Sense of entitlement in my case comes from being consistently great at whatever I decide to get into."

    Well there're lots of things I've never had the opportunity to try out. But I KNOW I'll be absolutely great at it if the chance comes my way.

    And I'm entitled to anything that comes my way if I can take it.

    I don't need to prove it first, that's impossible in so many ways.

    (surprises me a little you didn't understand this part.)

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  81. Bin Laden is dead? I see. Interesting, I guess. I'd have liked him alive a little longer. Wanted to know more. But ah well, doesn't matter much I guess.

    Btw, I like the way you mentioned dyslexia as a common trait in psychopaths.
    I do get a few remarks on it from time to time, but I'm working hard at getting better with wtirng. :D


    tik:

    "My job is closing due to cut backs so I'm starting my own bussiness."

    I wish you the best of luck. You deserve it!...

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  82. Notable:

    I actually have a question for all those here who think they encompass the sociopathic, psychopathic or narcissistic spectrum in some form or the other:

    I'm actually going to give you a reply, but not an answer.

    I don't 'think' I'm a psychopath. The professionals, think I'm a psychopath.

    What I know about myself is a whole different matter.

    I'm not going to tell you whether or not I've had body modifications done. Are you crazy?! Want my address too?

    ...lol

    But I can tell you I've never felt any need for it.

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  83. Zhawq . . . what is your astrological sign? You are a people person and a communicator, yet very pragmatic. I will keep my guess to myself. Care to respond.

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  84. kesu:

    "Was this serious because this actually fits me. Even what Res said about tats fits me."

    You know, I actually laughed when I read that article. It seems so preposterous.

    But it fits me too. - and it fits a lot of other psychopaths I've been doing time with.
    Guess that's why it stuck with me (I'd generally forget something seemingly ridiculous like that).

    However, I think there're explanations. But it'll be taking it too far to list them here. (I'll do it in a future article, perhaps).

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  85. Soulful:

    "Zhawq . . . what is your astrological sign? You are a people person and a communicator, yet very pragmatic. I will keep my guess to myself. Care to respond."

    You're on to something. And I am told I'm very typical for my sign as well. But then, so much about my sign seems typical for people with my diagnosis as well.

    I'm not sure if horoscopes in the modern form are the best supernatural model, but I used to be quite efficient at spotting people's signs when I was a teenager.

    I want to hear your guess before I answer. :)

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  86. tik:

    "Socio's don't sound very mature on this blog but more like spoiled children. I am not including Note in the spoiled child group either."

    That is because these children are not sociopaths, they're spoiled children.

    If you want to know what's what, ignore the "troll" kids.

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  87. I understand the sense of entitlement just fine, what I don't adhere to is the fact that it is delusional in the least.

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  88. Someone is going to get 60 million dollars for killing him. It took them long enough, 10 years. Pay attention to how normal people feels happy for the death of a person. Morality is selective.

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  89. Yes Wet, its just like all those Roman empaths cheering as the Christians are being feed to the lions. Or public hangings of the past were scheduled entertainment.

    Same dance.

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  90. Soulful,

    Its ironic that the name of this article is "the killer inside of me" because as this shows, there is a killer inside everyone. A darkness that is just waiting for a Caesar or Hitler to unleash it.

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  91. Wet,
    Or to unleash it in the name of military "service." Everyone seeks leadership in some form or another. Best to pick your object of worship/obedience with a keen eye and a radar heart.

    Note,
    Osama built an borderless army with the mechanisms of delusion. He felt entitled and guided by God. Are you saying you are entitled to being just as delusional on your pragmatic rational pedestal?

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  92. Did he feel it was entitlement for Allah, or a slick way to get vengeance and kick start his own agenda after getting an addicting taste for combat and intrigue?

    How can you go back to being just another family member of a business when you're helped fight and run wars?

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  93. Got ya Note.

    Father issues. He wanted to outshine the master in the form of daddy. And he had the natural charisma to pull it off.

    "How can you go back to being just another family member of a business when you're helped fight and run wars?"

    Exactly, boring, boring, boring.

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  94. "...there is a killer inside everyone. A darkness that is just waiting for a Caesar or Hitler to unleash it."

    There is duality in perception. Ultimately everyone and everything is just a body, an object. A lifeless mutilated corpse freaks most people out because it is a blatant denial of all that was previously attached to it. Attaching emotions and memories to objects is cerebral, like feeling sentimental or responsible..clouds.

    Sometimes the awareness that is pure creeps out or is unleashed. The satisfaction that comes from 'objectifying' everything including ourselves, is liberating. Whether it's jumping off a cliff, killing someone, watching someone get killed or an illicit sexual encounter. We can interact and explore an 'object' with less reservations than anything clouded with our projected emotions because it is dispensable. This becomes playful, exciting and can make us feel invincible.

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  95. Osama's death just feels like a product recall.

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  96. I know, right? He did a damn good Warlock, stealing the unbaptized fat of a child to fly.

    Seriously, good shit right there.

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  97. What we call the trauma which triggers apathy or lack of remorse or fear of consequences (à la dexter's) is nothing more than a reflex to the momentary glimpse of what reality is. Some don't need a traumatic event because they were born without the capacity to be conditioned. So their curiosity is pure and impulsive. Sociopaths I think do not belong in this category. I think they are just cunning individuals who understand how duality works and establish themselves as the conduits that facilitates and regulates this for the 'conflicted' to their advantage, hence the proclivity with control.

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  98. Daddy and Mommy issues.

    When no one has stuck up for you ever, and they continually ask you what it is that you have done to cause someone else to treat you badly, you end up being your own parent pretty right quick

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